Time Nick Message 10:54 kados morning #koha 05:59 |hdl| hello world 21:46 kados I committed the change and it's working now 21:46 kados thd: template problem 21:36 thd kados: what did you find was the problem? 21:35 kados ok 21:34 thd kados: I actually need to go and help move my friend very shortly. 21:34 thd kados: is it the template issue for contains instead of stars? 21:33 kados don't do anything on the marc framework till I'm done ok? 21:33 kados I'll fix it so you can see it too 21:33 kados I see the problem 21:31 thd kados: a least basic searches are working now 21:29 kados now, they should be fixed 21:28 thd sorry, I had been on telephone. 21:27 kados not really :-) 21:27 thd just now 21:27 thd yes 21:27 kados when? 21:27 kados um ... really? 21:27 thd kados: I fixed them already 21:24 kados thd: I'm going to change things back to the way they were 21:16 kados did you do that? 21:16 kados er? 21:15 thd kados: I just noticed that biblioitems.dewey had been set to 650b 21:14 kados :-) 21:14 kados must be that then 21:08 thd kados: my comprehensive search also value for 650 $a had been newly created today and was untested. 21:07 thd kados: I could try a more conservative search also setting using only fields from 650. 21:05 thd kados: I only changed the search also for 650 $a, management in tab 3 for all 650 subfields, and repeatability for the repeatable 650 subfields. 21:02 thd kados: If that were to fail and lacking any other obvious reason, I would suggest droping the whole database and starting over in case there is some corruption. 21:02 kados before I ran rebuildnonmarc? 21:02 kados unless you changed something in the marc framework? 21:02 kados so I'd be surprised if that wias it 21:02 kados yep, though I use mysqldump to load this data 21:00 thd kados: other suggestions of mine will include purging the records and reloading with bulkmarcimport.pl. 21:00 kados to test if it's in the files or the db 21:00 kados first I'm copying the known-good koha filesystem over to the test box 20:59 kados it's a major problem :-) 20:59 kados I'm working on this until I fix it :-) 20:59 thd kados: I have to help a friend move shortly. I want to help you solve this quickly but I may not have more time when we are both awake today. 20:55 kados I can check 20:53 thd kados: If you query the database directly do you find valid data in bibliosubjects.subjects? 20:50 thd kados: Do you know of any installation using 2.2.5 successfully. Could there be a big bug? 20:49 thd kados: I had been too busy looking for a lawyer to keep myself out of gaol. 20:48 thd kados: As, I said, I have not installed 2.2.5 yet myself. 20:47 thd kados: a simple subject search for a single term appearing in 650 $a such as history or whatever fails from the advanced search. 20:47 kados did we strip out the - or something ? 20:47 kados in my test case 20:46 kados didn't seem to make a difference 20:44 thd kados: that what I had guessed but that seemed OK when I had actually checked earlier 20:42 kados operator=starts vs operator=contains 20:42 kados didn't make a difference 20:42 kados hmmm 20:41 thd kados: what is not identical? 20:41 kados they're not identical 20:41 kados ahha 20:41 thd kados: owen committed the changes within a couple of days after I had told him about them. 20:39 kados very strange 20:39 kados hmmm, templates are identical 20:33 owen Or else I overwrote them by mistake 20:33 kados I'm guessing Owen didn'g commit the opac subject search changes 20:32 kados still failing 20:32 kados thd: 23722 MARC record done in 3609.88483405113 seconds 19:57 thd kados: presently, all subject searches fail, even the simplest of them directly from the search form. I hope rebuildnonmarc.pl cures that problem. 19:54 kados sure 19:54 thd If rebuildnonmarc.pl reports a running time, please let me know what that actually is when it is finished. 19:52 kados 50K 19:51 thd kados: how many records are in this data set? 19:50 kados it's a pIII 2.4 Ghz with 2 gigs of ram 19:49 thd kados: what is the specification of your server. I use such small sets of records I cannot see what a real load might be. 19:48 kados about 1/5 done 19:48 kados thd: not even close :-) 19:48 thd kados: Has reuildnonmarc.pl finished running? 19:47 thd kados: We fixed that with code that was neve committed. I will search for that fix but that is not the problem at the moment. 19:46 kados same records 19:46 kados yea 19:46 thd kados: I mean the same records :) 19:46 kados we fixed that right? 19:46 kados probably 19:45 thd kados: Is this the same library that you were having trouble with for some of its usage of Sears subject headings? 19:30 thd kados: Whenever I discovered that I had done that I always used bulkmarkimport.pl to purge and reload my records :) 19:28 thd kados: I believe there maybe unknown problems with the system if you import records without having a validated MARC check. 19:27 kados thd: why? 19:27 kados thd: don't remember :-) 19:27 thd kados: did you import the records before checking that the MARC Check was OK? 19:25 kados don't remember doing that for this collection 19:25 kados I'm not sure I touched the default values 19:25 thd s/650/650a/ 19:24 thd if you had not changed that value. 19:24 thd kados: maybe 650 linked with bibliosubject.subject is the default for MARC 21. 19:23 kados :-) 19:23 kados prob about 50K items in this db 19:22 kados about 5 per second 19:22 kados thd: it's taking forever 19:22 kados thd: running now 19:20 kados don't remember setting that actually 19:20 kados right 19:20 thd kados: If I am correct you did not run rebuildnonmarc.pl after setting 650a to be the values stored for subjects in koha SQL. 19:18 kados k ... 19:17 thd kados: run rubuildnonmarc.pl . The indexing is not working correctly on you test demo. 19:06 kados k 18:59 thd kados: actually, that was a guess and it seems I guessed wrongly. I will try changing the OPAC template to CSS just to be certain. 18:53 kados thd: could you be more specific? 18:52 thd kados: The special Liblime template you have has a problem that was fixed for the NPL templates after I told owen to change the search method. Your template needs updating. 18:38 kados thd: you should be able to tell by looking at the MARC view 18:34 thd s/there/their/ 18:33 thd kados: maybe something regional realating to there location. Where are they? 18:32 thd kados: what general subject area do they have with a large quantity of material? 18:29 kados thd: in this case, the bib data is a subset of some public library data from one of our clients 18:25 thd kados: what data set do you use to stock a demo? 18:12 kados I don't off hand 17:45 thd kados: Do you have another example record with subject subdivisions? 17:44 thd kados: However, the example that you gave for subject matching still has no matches. Do you have another example? 17:43 thd kados: I have updated the bibliographic framework at http://kohatest.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/marc_subfields_structure.pl?tagfield=650&frameworkcode= . 17:14 thd kados: There is no default UNIMARC ISBD encoding. It took me a day's work to make the one for MARC 21 thoroughly. 17:13 kados yep 17:13 thd kados: There should, however, be MARC 21 defaults just as there are UNIMARC defaults. 17:12 kados ahh 17:12 thd kados: but the answer is that my ISBD encoding is MARC21 specific and takes some small readability liberties with the ISBD format for newlines where multiple subject fields are present. 17:08 thd kados: looks like my last post was truncated at "Newark Municipal Court". 17:05 thd kados: yes, I was thinking of doing many things like that. There are UNIMARC defaults that set many bibliographic framework settings and other preferences. There should be some MARC21 defaults starting with a more complete bibliographic framework that includes 000 - 008. I had been working on setting something up to do that for USMARC but had only been studying how it was done with UNIMARC and became overwhelmed by the nonsense in Newark Mun 17:00 kados thd: or are those usmarc specific? 16:59 kados thd: as the default ISBD settings? 16:59 kados thd: should I commit your ISBD modifs to cvs? 16:43 kados thd: thanks 16:29 thd kados: I am working now to extract all the needed field subfield pairs for use in the bibliographic framework 6XX. My present setting only covers the 650 subfields. 16:25 thd kados: I would need to search for the code. I had a better revised form that I posted on #koha after you had lost attention. I would need to search for that. I will commit it when I find it so that t can appear in 2.2.6 16:23 kados thd: I could commit them right away so they will be in 2.2.6 16:23 kados thd: and do you happen to know what subfields should be included in the framework? 16:23 kados thd: could you at least send it to me? 15:58 thd as in the case of Sears. 15:58 thd kados: Also, I never committed the code that I had suggested to correct the problem you had where the indicator had been insufficient to define the thesaurus used in 6XX 15:56 thd kados: yes, a bibliographic framework change is required for searching all the relevant fields subfields that may appear in 6XX 15:54 kados I think I need to change the default MARC21 settings to fix this 15:54 kados neither of those subject links work 15:53 kados http://opactest.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=22762 15:53 thd kados: There have been a couple of comments on koha-devel that I have not had time to reply to yet. 15:53 kados thd: did you notice that some of the subjects aren't searchable in the new opac 15:52 kados right 15:52 thd kados: The repeated subfields problem is seen where for example there are multiple publishers for the same book. 15:52 kados thd: and then I'm going to recommend adoption for version 3.0 15:52 kados thd: I'm going to wait a few days, to see if anyone else has comments 15:51 kados thd: I just read over your SQL email in more detail 15:50 kados thd: ooh, I didn't realize that 15:50 thd kados: There are still some problems with repeated subfields in the 2.X design that prevent correct operation of the ISBD rules when repeated subfields are present. Also, ISBD has nothing specified for holdings so that is not present in what I supplied. 15:47 kados so they can easily edit the OPAC display (if ISBD was the default) 15:47 kados especially since it is so easy to change the way it displays on the page 15:47 kados actually, I've had some folks very interested in it 15:47 thd kados: Although, maybe few care about ISBD in the webified world. 15:47 kados thd: yes I noticed thanks! 15:44 thd kados: I have supplied you with a more complete and accurate ISBD setting at http://kohatest.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl?tab=Catalogue You should use that one with your customers. 15:42 kados thd: yep 15:28 thd kados: are you awake now? 15:23 thd good afternoon kados 15:23 kados well ... afternoon I guess 15:22 kados morning owen