Time Nick Message 02:48 thd good night kados 02:40 thd kados: I was imagining there was something even more needed to push even more books for them :) 02:34 kados I asked them if it was ok, they said it was fine 02:34 kados the 'search inside' link goes back to their page 02:34 kados amazon allows using the content as long as one link goes back to their page 02:33 thd kados: I guarantee to find even very obscure bugs which no one else would ever notice as well as the ones librarians care about greatly and no one else would :) 02:30 thd kados: Did they make any special allowance for Koha? 02:30 thd kados: I seem to remember some wording about the price but that may have only applied if the price was included in the display. 02:29 kados nope, I've already contacted amazon about that 02:28 thd kados: I have my own I just wanted to check the user agreement to be sure that you and other Koha users were not violating some fine point of required linking. 02:26 kados thd: you can use my numbers for now if you want to test 02:24 kados good man, I need a tester :-) 02:24 kados ahh, you're trying to obtain a key? 02:24 kados ? 02:14 thd kados: er? ? 02:14 thd kados: maybe I missed something in my lost connection. 02:06 kados er? 02:05 thd kados: The contrary of that review was the bug in Open Office that imposed the GPL license on your Open Office documents :) 01:59 kados as well as some funny reviews :-) 01:58 kados showing up 01:58 kados there's one with the nice starred rating 01:58 kados http://opactest.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=8937 01:58 thd kados: That part is fine now, I just forgot all the reasons I had quit my X session :) 01:57 thd kados: I forgot I had quit my server connection when it did not work before. 01:56 kados http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0316798118/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-5082869-8638422#reader-link 01:56 kados takes me to: 01:56 kados working for me 01:55 kados (or at least what part of the book amazon will let you read online) 01:55 thd kados: I tried that. I now try again. 01:55 kados in addition to being able to read the book online 01:55 kados you'll see the search box at the top 01:55 kados well if you click on the link 01:55 kados um 01:54 thd box. 01:54 thd kados: but there is a search inside the book image but not link to an actual search 01:54 kados opac-detail is the details page, ues 01:53 thd is that the details page? 01:53 thd kados: this page ? http://opactest.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=21752 01:52 kados on the details page 01:52 thd kados: where is the search inside the book link? 01:52 kados and one for the left-hand nav bar 01:52 kados several for Amazon.com content 01:52 kados thd: I added several system preferences to rel_2_2 01:52 kados thd: yep, amazon too 01:52 kados thd: you can be my first tester :-) 01:52 thd kados: you are now referring to Amazon? 01:51 kados but it's coming along 01:51 kados still got a bit more to do 01:51 kados thd: css, images, list of nav links 01:51 kados thd: everything's been paramaterized 01:50 kados thd: the LibLime OPAC demo that you see has 0 non-committed template code 01:50 thd kados: Still very impressive in the time 01:50 kados thd: yep 01:50 thd kados: docs are to long for such a brief class 01:50 kados thd: it's Ohio University :-) 01:50 kados thd: what do you think this is, MIT? 01:49 kados thd: :-) 01:49 kados (like a system pref for style sheet) 01:49 thd kados: they did not read the docs on http://www.loc.gov/marc/ ? 01:49 kados still some things to add on the intranet side 01:49 kados circ / liblime 01:49 kados http://kohatest.liblime.com 01:49 kados http://opactest.liblime.com 01:48 kados I'm almost done with the LibLime 2.2.5 demo 01:48 thd kados: yes 01:48 kados thd: you there? 01:48 kados (which may be xul) 01:48 kados thd: they will be in the next version 01:48 kados thd: they didn't know about indicators 01:23 thd kados: Do you know why indicators were left off of the team 42 opencataloger? 01:19 kados yep 01:17 thd kados: are you there? 01:13 thd kados: There had been general agreement on #koha about my earlier brief outline 2 months ago but I want comment about the actual proposed implementation from the same people who are committing code regularly and I would hope will use the proposal instead of ignoring it.. 01:06 thd kados: The second link explains about quoting but I revise my previous proposal about quoting in this more comprehensive proposal 01:04 thd s/except the/except that/ 01:04 thd kados: quoting is not difficult except the MySQL quotes backwards from the rest of the world :) 01:03 thd kados: will you let the database reserved words now and in the future prevent you from using the most logical names for your purpose? 01:02 thd kados: just quote it 01:01 thd kados: there is no reason to change the column name 01:01 kados we need to change that column name 01:00 kados ahh, I see 01:00 kados which one? 01:00 kados ? 01:00 thd kados: It is a column name in the first link within the message. 01:00 kados well, if you write a framework to use, and it works well, I will support it 00:59 thd kados: yet there would be no point if people were not going to use it. I hoped to have either agreement or an alternate proposal before committing. 00:58 kados which koha table name is reserved? 00:58 thd kados: I could be 00:56 kados thd: I'm wondering whether you can be the one to commit the needed changes proposed in your email 00:56 kados thd: got your email 00:56 kados thd: you around? 19:37 kados it explains my ideas :-) 19:36 kados aud: I've sent an email to the group 19:22 aud I am glad that you guys are working on all of these problems 19:22 aud I am still here 19:11 kados audrey: you still here? 19:11 kados problem #3: should be solved by hdl's proposed link between item and serial 19:10 kados and for MARC users, biblio=biblioitem 19:10 kados because currently, reserves are placed at the level of biblioitem 19:09 kados problem #2: yes, but to solve this we need to fix reserves process 19:08 kados problem #1: already solved in 2.2.5 I believe 19:08 kados so ... 19:08 kados but I imagine the answer is yes 19:07 kados though I cant tell by that email whether hdl will provide for 'issuing' the serial 19:06 kados audrey: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2006-02/msg00009.html 19:06 kados |hdl|: can you confirm? 19:05 kados audrey: I could be wrong, but I think all of those issues have alraedy been addressed by hdl 19:04 kados audrey: thanks, reading it now 19:04 audrey Cheers! 19:04 audrey Kados and hdl: I have finally sent the email. If you would like more information than it offers, Rosalie and I will be listening on IRC for 2 more hours. 18:16 kados morning chris 17:43 audrey kados: cool, the email will be coming right up. 17:43 |hdl| working soon on serials itemization 17:43 |hdl| audrey : I am interested too henridamien at koha-fr dot org 17:42 kados audrey: so that will be very useful 17:42 kados audrey: I plan to write a 'Koha 3.0 Update' email tomorrow (and every Saturday until it is released) 17:41 kados audrey: jmf @ liblime . com 17:41 kados audrey: please do 17:39 audrey could I send kados an email detailing what the Horowhenua Library has been communicating with Katipo about--that is concerning the serials module? 17:38 audrey audrey is finally back 17:35 kados http://opactest.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=23714 17:35 kados yay ... it works :-) 17:33 kados thanks 17:33 kados right, got it 17:32 |hdl| in *.pl : C4::Context->preference("name") gives you pref value. 17:31 kados |hdl|: how do I put the new systempref into the template? 17:24 |hdl| #995|<p><h2>Exemplaires :</h2><table border=0>|<tr border=0><td>{995b}</td><td>{995k}</td><td>{995f}</td></tr>|</table></p> 17:24 |hdl| #606|<p><p>Sujets</p>|<p><a href="opac-search.pl?op=do_search&marclist=6069&operator==&type=intranet&value={6069}"><img border="0" src="/opac-tmpl/css/en/images/filefind.png" height="15" title="Rechercher ce sujet"></a>{ 606a \n }|</p><p></p> 17:24 |hdl| #710|<p><label>CR congrès</label>|<a href="opac-search.pl?op=do_search&marclist=710a&operator==&type=intranet&value={710a}"><img border="0" src="/opac-tmpl/css/en/images/filefind.png" height="15" title="Rechercher ce congrès"></a>{710d°} {<b>710a</b>}{ 710b}{ 710e }{ - 710s }{ - 710c}{ - 710f}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #328|<p><label>Laboratoires</label>|{<b>328f</b>}{ <i>328l</i> }{328r}{328c}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #328|<p><label>Thèses/Cours</label>|{ 328a }{ 328d }{<i>328s</i>}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #315|<p><label>Support :</label>|{315a}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #215|<p><label>Annexes :</label>|{215e}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #215|<p><label>Pagination</label>|{215a} {lim.215c}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #225|<p><label>Titre coll</label>|{ 225a, }{v. 225v }{fs 225h }|</p> 17:24 kados probably then :-) 17:24 |hdl| #205|<p><label>Mentions ed.</label>|{205a}{ 205b}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #210|<p><label>Editeur</label>|{210c, }|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #210|<p><label>Publié en</label>|{210d}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #011|<p><label>ISSN</label>|{011a}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #010|<p><label>ISBN</label>|{010a}|</p> 17:24 |hdl| #101|<p><label>Langue(s)</label>|{ 101a }{vo:101c}|</p> 17:23 |hdl| #200|<p><label>Type doc.</label>|{200b}|</p> 17:23 |hdl| #200|<p><label>Auteurs</label>|{ 200f, }{200g, }{200k, }|</p> 17:23 kados it might 17:23 |hdl| #200||{<b>200a</b>}{ / 200e}{ - <i>200c</i>}{, <i>200d</i>}{ : 200v}| 17:23 |hdl| Here is what I get in one ISBD field : 17:23 |hdl| Textarea sorry 17:22 |hdl| Are you sure that Free type variable is not enough ? 17:22 |hdl| and not 17:22 |hdl| 3.0 could use blobs. 17:22 kados maybe a new table 17:20 kados |hdl|: do you have a suggestion on how to add this feature? 17:19 kados the fields are too small 17:19 kados syspref table wont work for storing HTML 17:17 kados with links to other library resources, etc. 17:17 kados the purpose is to have a customized navigation bar on the left-hand side 17:17 kados (hmmm, maybe in fact, it should just be a place to add an HTML string) 17:16 kados it would be a place to add a list of URLS 17:16 kados not really a preference though 17:16 kados I would like to add a new 'navigation URL' preference for the OPAC 17:16 |hdl| But make some tries beacaus organization is quite messy. 17:15 kados right ... I was wondering if you used that 17:15 |hdl| or syspref add a new one. 17:15 |hdl| then modify updatedatabase so that it will be taken into account. 17:14 |hdl| in db, add a new syspref. 17:14 kados |hdl|: could you explain to me how to add a new system preference 17:14 kados |hdl|: if you're still there ... one final question :-) 16:51 kados but it seems it's been deleted :( 16:51 kados I had committed some code that would make it display in non-MARC 16:51 kados but in non-MARC view the 856$u does not display 16:51 kados yes, that works 16:48 kados huh ... 16:47 |hdl| Maybe this one ? 16:47 |hdl| But there is a URL check box in marc_subfield_structure.pl 16:46 |hdl| I happened to see such prefs. but cannot get it right now. 16:45 kados I thought I committed some code that would display it but it seems paul has taken it out of 2.2.5? 16:44 kados |hdl|: is there a sys pref for that? 16:43 kados |hdl|: do you know how I can get URLs to display on the OPAC? 16:43 kados so only one config is necessary (I think) 16:43 kados so they can be in the same record 16:43 kados I think all holdings tags/subfields are different from bibliographic 16:43 kados I'm not sure 16:40 |hdl| But 200 have different meaning in UNIMARC and UNIMARC-A... 16:40 |hdl| In UNIMARC, there are only two norms, one for bobliographical data, one for authorities. 16:39 |hdl| that could make it possible for biblio to be room-mate with holdings. 16:38 |hdl| Are holdings tags and subfields all different from bibliographic ones, 16:38 |hdl| Do I misunderstand something? or miss a point ? 16:37 |hdl| you must have in zebra two config files, one for holdings and one for bibliogrphic. 16:37 |hdl| But If you have one MARC norm for holdings and another one for bibliographic. (saw it on LOC) 16:36 kados when did I say I got two different bases? 16:36 kados one for author, one for subject 16:36 kados if they have authorities I get two more MARC files 16:35 kados it includes bibliographic and holdings 16:35 kados normally I get one large MARC file 16:35 kados not normally 16:34 |hdl| But, if I understand, you tell me that you haveat least two different MARC bases for a library : MARC bibliographics and MARC holdings. 16:34 |hdl| OK 16:34 kados does that explain it? 16:33 kados classification is dewey, LOC, etc. 16:33 kados authorities is normalized values for subjects or authors 16:33 kados authorities vs classification: 16:32 kados holdings is probably 100% equiv to items in Koha in most cases 16:32 kados bibliographic is just the record information : title, author, etc. 16:32 |hdl| tell me more. 16:32 kados kind of 16:32 |hdl| Is that items ? 16:32 kados so they have a barcode, call number, classification maybe, etc. 16:31 kados meaning what they 'have' 16:31 kados 'holdings' means 'what is held' by the library 16:31 |hdl| But with books.... 16:31 |hdl| I know what it is in finance. 16:31 kados sure 16:31 |hdl| Can you explain to me this strange word holding. 16:30 |hdl| what is the diference between MARC-21 authorities and classification 16:30 |hdl| what is the diference between MARC-21 holding and bibliographic 16:29 |hdl| Talking about MARC. 16:29 |hdl| but you donot have MARC flexibility. 16:29 |hdl| bases are much smaller. 16:29 kados ahh, I didn't realize that 16:29 |hdl| Then the marc bases and authorities are not used anymore. 16:28 |hdl| Not only. 16:28 kados I thought it only changed the way things looked 16:28 |hdl| non-MARC have limited fields. 16:28 kados ahh 16:28 |hdl| fwk are only when MARC=ON as far as I know. 16:27 |hdl| would it be for input or display biblio. 16:26 |hdl| Yes. 16:26 kados ahh, so to customize the display of cataloging 16:26 |hdl| It is a way to smartly display information. 16:25 |hdl| not only 16:24 kados would it be for different formats? like 'book' vs 'map'? 16:23 kados why would a library use multiple 'frameworks'? 16:23 kados |hdl|: in cataloging 16:23 kados |hdl|: one further question if you have time 16:23 kados ahh :-) 16:22 |hdl| french would have been in case it was only for OUR timeschedule ;) 16:22 |hdl| for you eyes only :D 16:21 kados |hdl|: english please :-) 16:15 |hdl| would it be english or french. 16:15 |hdl| Anyway, It has been som time since we talk about time management. 16:15 kados great, thanks 16:14 |hdl| I or paul will. 16:14 kados so ... summary lists 16:14 kados yep 16:14 kados (or forwardporting in this case) 16:14 |hdl| zebra is quite a huge feature :) 16:14 kados ok ... so I guess I'll be backporting :-) 16:14 kados bad idea :-) 16:13 kados yep 16:13 |hdl| But then farewell, progtemplates and so on and so forth ... 16:13 kados and not much new features in HEAD I think 16:13 |hdl| yes... 16:13 kados there is so much stability in 2.2.5 now 16:13 kados it's too bad we can branch 2.2.5 again ... and have that be HEAD 16:13 |hdl| And didn't updated for a helle of a time. 16:12 |hdl| I dont have a working koha-dev version. 16:12 kados not sure ... maybe me :-) 16:12 |hdl| But who will do ? 16:12 |hdl| The should be. 16:12 kados will all 2.2.5 changes be ported to 3.0? 16:11 kados sure 16:11 |hdl| Maybe it will include both changes : 2.2.5 and 3.0 16:11 kados :-) 16:11 |hdl| It is so kindly asked. ;) 16:11 kados etc. 16:11 kados paul: will fix bug XXX 16:11 kados hdl: worked on serials, added XX feature 16:10 kados like: 16:10 kados (not a long list, just a few sentances) 16:10 kados is that a possiblity? 16:10 kados so if I send it on Saturday for instance, it would be useful to have this list by Friday 16:10 kados and I'm wondering if you or paul could send me a weekly note about what you have done in the past week and what you plan to do in the future week 16:09 |hdl| Super. 16:09 kados to koha-devel 16:09 kados |hdl|: I'm going to start sending a 'koha 3.0 update' every week 16:09 |hdl| kados ? 16:09 |hdl| yep 16:08 kados |hdl|: still around? 14:01 owen That would make sense 14:00 kados owen: I wonder if that has to do with the number of people subscribed 13:50 paul (but don't wait for me : if im' too tired, i'll go to bed) 13:50 owen Strangely, koha-zebra mail always arrives before koha-devel mail for me 13:49 paul i'll see on monday evening if I can drive to hdl house and be here. 13:49 paul in montpellier (near hdl home) 13:48 paul because I have a meeting with a customer mon/tue 13:48 paul (for chat) 13:48 paul I'm afraid i won't be here next monday. 13:48 paul ok, It's 6PM, I have to leave. 13:47 kados 50% fixed ... not bad :-) 13:47 kados ok 13:42 paul i've sent a mail to koha-zebra 2 hours ago for the remaining one. 13:41 paul no, I just succeeded to solve 1 of my 2 problems ! 13:40 kados paul: I thought you did get zebra working 13:40 paul kados : no, no idea for how to improve things. And no plans either. But could change if I succeed to make zebra work :-( 13:38 paul back 13:11 shedges that should do it. 13:10 kados add a barcode, notes (title?), etc. 13:10 kados you'll also be able to link an issue to an item record 13:10 shedges good -- I was only hearing talk about better management 13:10 kados in addition to listing the issues that have arrived (as serials do now in Koha) 13:10 kados it sounds like the next version of serials support will do exactly as you describe 13:10 shedges yep 13:09 kados shedges: btw: regarding that email you forwarded to me on serials 13:07 kados unless paul has plans to store it in a separate Zebra db (not a bad idea actually) 13:07 kados at least I don't think it will 13:07 kados I doubt it since the reservoir won't be stored in Zebra 13:05 shedges will the improved searching in 3.0 help? 13:04 paul (on phone) 13:04 kados any ideas for how to improve things? 13:03 shedges (if they're using z3950) 13:03 shedges right -- the reservoir is usually much bigger than the catalog 13:03 kados I see 13:02 paul one of my library has 40 000 lines in the reservoir. so the list must be limited to something !!! 13:02 paul he is not wrong here. It's not very cute. 13:02 kados so instead of searching, they wonder if they can just look at a list of items 13:01 kados because the search is not very forgiving 13:01 kados one of my clients has found it difficult to search for items in the reservoir 13:01 paul pls explain a little bit more 13:01 kados paul: /me wonders if any of paul's customers have wanted a 'browse' feature for the reservoir 13:00 paul (5PM in France) 13:00 paul yep 13:00 kados paul: still around? 11:29 kados thx 11:29 owen good luck kados 11:25 kados talk to you chaps later 11:21 paul lol 11:19 paul right, but kados didn't ask for 2.2.6 ;-) 11:19 paul I really should open a dolibarr account for you. You'll see how useful it is ;-) 11:19 |hdl| modifications in the db Structure. 11:19 |hdl| And then... new tables... 11:18 |hdl| yes, but then, it could be a pdf. But then, should be stored. yes. 11:17 paul (as well as a list of late orders in fact) 11:17 paul |hdl| : it would be nice to be able to send in 1 clic a list of late issues to a supplier. 11:17 |hdl| you have Thunderbird or Evolution or even outlook. 11:16 |hdl| Koha is not supposed to be an email manager. 11:16 kados wouldn't be hard to add this feature though 11:16 paul ??? no, if I understand correctly 11:15 kados paul: (does the current serials support email communication with suppliers?) 11:15 shedges right -- except mine is not "official" -- it's the $3.95 version from WalMart. 11:13 owen http://news6.steelers.com/catalog/HatsScarves/ 11:12 paul Steelers cap ??? 11:12 kados great news! 11:12 paul ;-) 11:12 kados ahh ... I didn't notice that ... 11:12 paul that will be in 2.2.6 for sure. 11:12 paul nope. and that's what hdl wrote on koha-devel yesterday ! 11:11 kados right 11:11 paul would it be hard to modify serials to allow an option for adding a MARC item (ie, add barcode, etc.)? 11:11 paul so, back to your question : 11:11 kados too bad ... it won't be the same :-) 11:11 paul yep, that's what everybody says in France. But i'm afraid we will not have your ads in France... 11:10 kados best part is the commercials 11:10 kados hehe 11:10 kados heh 11:10 paul (in France, a public TV chanel boughts the TV rights for the 1st time. 150 000¤. But it will be between 11PM and 3AM :-( ) 11:10 kados morning owen 11:10 kados :-) 11:09 paul (do you plan to look at superbowl this week end ?) 11:09 kados would it be hard to modify serials to allow an option for adding a MARC item (ie, add barcode, etc.)? 11:09 paul all Athen's team is there today ! 11:09 paul (but still problem #1 unanswered...) 11:09 shedges morning owen 11:08 shedges that's really great!! 11:08 kados paul: great! 11:08 paul alleluia !!! 11:08 shedges right -- but maybe she's not accustomed to NZ time yet. 11:08 paul a good news : with yaz 2.1.12, my script works fine !!!! 11:08 paul should be sleeping ! 11:08 paul audray didn't wrote on this channel since i wake up shedges 11:07 kados paul: quick question 11:07 kados morning shedges 11:07 shedges hi audrey -- isn't it the middle of the night there in NZ?