Time Nick Message 05:18 paul_away (hello osmoze 05:04 osmoze bonjour 23:58 thd |hdl|: Did you see the question I just asked kados? 23:53 thd kados: are you placing a dependency on a particular DB flavour in Koha 3.0? 23:51 kados thd: sort of 23:40 thd ? 23:40 thd kados: are you still there 21:59 thd kados: has chris fixed normal acquisitions in 2.x? 21:53 richard hi 21:52 thd kados: I am still around 21:47 kados anyone around? 17:56 thd russ: If chess tournaments were broadcast there was a time when i might have payed attention. However, the idea of a broadcast chess tournament is laughable :) 17:54 russ thd : fair enough 17:44 thd russ: whenever a significant part of the world is paying attention to a sporting event that just seems like an ideal opportunity to for me to get more work done. 17:42 thd slef: now I understand about what you meant. 17:41 russ ah of course 17:41 shedges SUNDAY! (here, anyway) 17:41 russ next monday is superbowl? 17:38 slef biabb, dinner 17:37 richard i do and i saw an email from someone else complaining about them too 17:37 slef I thought it was the googlegroups ban on .coop again. 17:37 slef richard: oh, does everyone get them? 17:36 richard it is really annoying to get those bounces 17:36 slef I wish people would wise up about google... http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/google 17:36 slef every bloody time I post to koha-devel 17:36 slef [end quote] 17:36 slef allowed to post to the group. 17:36 slef who is 17:36 slef Visit http://groups.google.com/group/freesoft/about to join or learn more about 17:36 slef group before being allowed to post, or this group may not be open to posting. 17:36 slef You do not have permission to post to group freesoft. You may need to join the 17:35 slef here, let me paste some of the email I get: 17:35 thd slef: I do not understand what is banned. 17:35 slef It's because google has banned *@*.coop 17:34 slef freesoft@googlegroups - if I post to koha-devel, I get a bounce from them 17:34 thd slef: what list? 17:34 slef can we boot that list @googlegroups? 17:32 thd kados: I should soon subscribe a non-anonymous address but even that would not guarantee never bouncing. 17:31 thd kados: If you say so :) 17:30 kados thd: it's fixed now, so don't worry about it 17:29 thd kados: kados I do not want to bother anyone but the system clearly informed me that I was still subscribed when I could no longer receive messages after I attempted to re-subscribe. 17:28 kados thd: don't bother them 17:28 kados thd: it's not a bug 17:27 thd kados: I am going to treat my re-subscription after bouncing messages problem as a bug and forward it to the Savannah maintainers unless you have information otherwise. 17:25 thd goodbye slef 17:24 thd good evening hdl_away 17:24 slef hdl: bye, A+ 17:24 |hdl| bye folks. 17:23 thd goodbye paul 17:23 thd I have a months worth of work to catch up to 17:22 kados ciao paul 17:22 paul bye bye thus 17:22 thd I will try to be up to date by next Monday :) 17:22 kados great ... hopefully chris will be ok with another early monday 17:22 paul should be OK for me 17:22 kados I'll try to get a summary out later today 17:21 kados paul: work for you? 17:21 thd Monday is good 17:20 kados any problems doing this again next Monday? 17:20 kados while you're still here ... 17:20 kados thanks everyone ... 17:20 kados ok ... if there's nothing else, 17:20 thd paul: old or out of date but I have no knowledge of any problems updating to CPAN 17:20 kados slef: I can definitely commit to that 17:20 kados slef: so we'd have to make sure we maintained it 17:19 paul stale ? 17:19 paul ok, I'm not a monger here, so i will follow your opinion 17:19 slef kados: it could. Might end up with stale code up there (sourceforge?) 17:18 thd paul: maybe not but it makes packaging for binary distribution much easier when the namespace for the modules is clear and in CPAN 17:18 paul right. 17:18 kados getting it out on CPAN can't hurt 17:18 kados slef: yea, that'd be great! 17:18 paul if not, then I don't understand why it's a good idea 17:18 slef paul: non-web frontend writers, if I'm dreaming. 17:17 paul what is not clear is : is Koha::C4 useful for someone else than us ? 17:17 kados anything else to discuss? 17:17 kados slef: sounds like a plan 17:17 paul OK, thus I understood. 17:17 kados paul: then we can upload Koha to CPAN 17:17 kados paul: and having Koha::C4:: 17:17 kados paul: we're talking about moving all Koha perl modules into a Koha:: class 17:17 paul letting things as it (I mean for C4 package) 17:17 slef kados: s/in that way/ready for upload/ 17:16 slef kados: let's try to get into shape in that way, then revisit? 17:16 thd paul: what is the opposite? 17:16 kados and might even be convinced to upload it :-) 17:16 paul in fact, i'm not sure to understand what is suggested here 17:16 kados I'd be happy to maintain the CPAN 17:16 thd paul: any problem with running a regex on the code to create a koha class 17:16 kados paul: do you have an opinion on this? 17:16 kados but might be worth it in the longrun 17:15 kados yea, it would be a pain 17:15 slef I can only think of the cvs directory layout and sheer number of places to change 17:15 thd It should be an easy change unless someone knows of a problem 17:14 slef thd: now that bit I can see the point of! Yes, please! 17:14 thd exactly 17:14 slef thd: ah, I think I see what you mean. Move C4 to either Koha or to Koha::C4 ? 17:13 thd for the modules to use 17:13 slef thd: the main problems with a koha.deb are 1. getting the dependencies packaged and 2. finding a Maintainer. I'll be an Uploader if anyone is willing to be Maintainer. 17:13 thd slef: It keep the namespace clear when there is a universally recognised class. 17:12 slef thd: far be it from me to contradict other developers, but that sounds odd. 17:12 slef |hdl|: same boat as me. I assume moving to MakeMaker won't make Windows installers harder anyway. 17:12 thd slef: I have spoken with Debian project leaders who recommend that for simplifying Debian packaging 17:11 slef kados: I think maybe get MakeMaker working and then look again. 17:11 slef thd: what are the benefits? 17:11 kados slef: what do you think about having Koha on CPAN? 17:10 slef |hdl|: can't Windows perl use MakeMaker? 17:10 kados I see 'plan approach for Feb' on the agenda 17:10 thd before we leave installer may I ask about CPAN class for Koha? 17:10 kados user reviews is a chris thing too 17:10 |hdl| will there be a Windows inwtaller too ? 17:09 kados slef: thanks 17:09 kados ok ... Fix budget-based acquisitions is a chris thinkg 17:09 shedges does the new installer handle MySQL 4.1 (no password() function)? 17:09 slef I'll mail koha-devel once it's in 17:09 slef kados: ok 17:09 kados or on koha-devel 17:08 kados so slef can you commit what you've done ... and we can take a look and talk about it at next meeting? 17:08 slef if anyone can fill in the right module versions, please do 17:08 paul ok, thanks 17:07 slef paul: koha/Makefile.PL 17:07 kados yep, less than ideal, but not too bad if you've got the koha dirs symlinked to CVS 17:07 paul (in cvs ) 17:07 paul slef : could you point me what you're speaking of ? 17:07 slef kados: thanks. Leaves me unpicking the 2.2.4 installer still, sadly. 17:06 kados slef: well , that thread anyway 17:06 paul thd : defining templates as late as possible, or defining them now, but using prog basis. 17:06 kados slef: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2005-12/msg00015.html 17:05 kados slef: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2005-12/msg00013.html 17:05 slef paul: there's an old version committed... I need to commit the latest changes 17:05 thd what were paul's two possibilities? sorry for being behind. 17:05 slef kados: do you have links handy so I can add them to comments? 17:05 kados (or was it in late November) 17:05 kados slef: I think the closest thing to that we have is a couple of email I sent last month 17:04 paul slef : "there" ? do you mean you have it or it is commited ? (I didn't saw anything on cvs on this subject) 17:04 owen That's fine...as long as the ball is in the right court! :) 17:04 russ i need to way up the pros and cons with the team 17:04 kados heh 17:04 slef kados: the new installer is there, but the basic mechanics need some work and I most of all need a current INSTALL instructions 17:04 russ sorry i compeltely forgot about this meetng 17:03 paul (we don't have, owen. katipo will tell us the way they want to follow) 17:03 owen russ: any thoughts on those two options? 17:03 owen We didn't really decide on paul's two possibilities 17:02 kados slef: can you update us on that? 17:02 kados ok ... lets move on to the installer 17:02 kados good point paul 17:02 paul and owen could confirm I bet 17:02 paul I tried, on 2.0 with en/fr, before the great translator tool knocks 17:01 paul as it's really hard to update 2 sets of templates. 17:01 paul - katipo defines a design when Koha 3.0 is aalmost here 17:01 paul - katipo defines a design that changes only a few PROG code. That should be possible because owen design + my improvements makes them really versatile 17:00 paul except that we have 2 possibilities: 17:00 paul nope. 16:59 kados ok ... anything else to talk about regarding templates? 16:59 kados great ... so I'm assuming we'll know more about that in a couple of weeks when chris is almost done with perl-zoom stuff :-) 16:59 russ kados : yes i think we will be doing templates 16:59 si thd: it's important to remeber that's in the informatiuon about the license, not the license itself 16:58 thd slef shedges: from http://www.innodb.com/gpl.txt "you have the option of following the terms and conditions either of that version or of any later version published by the Free Software Foundation" look for this text it is now important 16:58 si but I'll check with the oracle (russ) who's just walked in the door 16:58 si I'd imagine we are 16:57 kados si: that Owen can code? 16:57 si paul: quite 16:57 kados si: do you know if katipo plans to work on a new template design for 3.0? 16:57 paul (not really morning for us, but hello even) 16:57 paul hi si 16:57 si morning all 16:57 kados hi si 16:57 owen I thought Katipo was going to work on a design for us 16:56 paul and I won't be the designer, for sure ;-) 16:56 paul hopefully. 16:56 kados at some point, hopefully soon, we're going to start designing some official Koha templates right? 16:55 kados ok ... so programming templates 16:54 kados right 16:54 |hdl| but won't be required for Koha to work 16:54 kados unless I'm mistaken 16:53 kados a last note on mod_perl2: it requires apache2 16:53 kados I'm ok with that 16:53 kados right 16:53 paul (even if every every major distro now provides it) 16:53 paul this is important I think 16:52 paul DB constraints requires mySQL 4.1 16:52 paul a last note on DB : 16:52 owen ...But paul has been taking up the slack 16:52 slef thd: looks like version at time of publication only http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/introduction.html 16:52 kados hehe 16:52 paul derelict ??? 16:52 paul owen... time to leave your bed ;-) 16:51 kados owen can wake up now :-) 16:51 kados next is programming templates 16:51 kados if we need to discuss the licensing stuff lets start a thread on koha-devel 16:51 paul i'll write the result on the wiki 16:51 paul to see what to do to improve perfs. 16:51 kados ok ... great 16:51 paul nope. Except i'll take a look at innoDB tweaks/config files 16:50 kados paul: :-) 16:50 paul ;-) 16:50 kados anything more on the databases or innodb stuff? 16:50 kados great, thanks paul 16:50 shedges http://www.innodb.com/gpl.txt 16:50 kados we definitely need good error handling with the constraits 16:50 paul I'm OK to continue managing the DB schema in the future. 16:50 thd shedges: what is the exact link? 16:50 kados right 16:49 paul and say "mysql could not delete what you wanted to delete blabla" 16:49 kados as it's a much better storage engine 16:49 kados but in the meantime, I suppose we should move forward with it 16:49 shedges thd: the page links to GPL 2 16:49 kados ok ... so we do need to keep our eyes on what Oracle's doing with innodb 16:48 slef kados: if it ever changes, I'd expect someone will probably fork mysql 16:48 thd shedges: this has become important now that there is a draft of GPL 3 16:48 kados slef: what about future releases of innodb ... do we need to worry about them not being GPL? 16:47 slef paul: I hear mandriva put their copyright files in /dev/null ;-) 16:47 thd shedges: Is that GPL 2 or a later version at the recipient's option? 16:47 paul (should be somewhere else, but where ?) 16:46 slef shedges: have you seen /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/copyright though? Not happy. 16:46 kados hehe 16:46 paul CASCADE or SET NULL are valid possibilityes, but RESTRICT is a bad idea I think 16:45 shedges http://www.innodb.com/licenses.php 16:45 slef kados: http://www.innodb.com/licenses.php says "The GNU GPL license, under which both MySQL and InnoDB are published [...]" = no problem AFAICT 16:45 shedges "The GNU GPL license, under which both MySQL and InnoDB are published, does not allow, without a permission from MySQL AB and Innobase Oy, linking of InnoDB and MySQL, or the client libraries of MySQL, to a product which you distribute but which does not itself satisfy the GNU GPL license." 16:45 paul because we can't delete issues ! 16:45 kados right 16:45 sanspach why not RESTRICT for borrower >> issues ? 16:44 paul would be quite dangerous to set cascade here ;-) 16:44 paul you can't delete a branch if an item exists on it. 16:44 paul RESTRICT are for constraints like branches >> items. 16:43 slef kados: checking 16:43 paul SET NULL are for issues, not to drop issues when a borrower is deleted : we keep the issuing record, anonymous 16:43 thd what license does InnoDB have? 16:43 paul and a few are SET NULL, meaning, the childs are set to nULL when parent deleted. 16:43 paul some are RESTRICT, meaning deleting a parent is forbidden when a child exists 16:42 kados slef and thd, you are our IP experts ... any probs using InnoDB in a GPL project like Koha that you can forsee? 16:42 paul meaning : if you delete the parent data, all childs are deleted too 16:42 paul most constraints are CASCADE 16:42 paul it depends. 16:42 paul as innnoDB is GPL unless i'm missing something. 16:42 kados i was gonna ask about that 16:41 slef paul: what does koha do if a constraint is violated? 16:41 paul i'm not afraid with Oracle buying innoDB company. 16:41 kados ciao chris ... read you soon 16:41 chris and email any things i think of 16:41 chris ok i better go catch a bus .. ill read the log 16:41 kados nice job there paul 16:41 paul + move to innoDB 16:41 paul I just wanted to say that I'va added constaints in DB schema 16:41 kados so I am happy with the idea of constraints 16:41 thd I have not caught up yet :) 16:40 thd I would say something but I have not kept up this past month 16:40 paul yep. 16:40 kados paul: you added this I assume? 16:40 kados ok ... lets hit on Database ... 16:40 chris not from me 16:40 kados anything more about serials or mod_perl? 16:39 kados ok ... so all good there ... 16:39 kados heh 16:39 kados though I did get the OPAC working fine 16:39 chris or at least, get mason and bob to squash them for me 16:39 kados last time I checked there were some weird problems with mod_per2 and circ 16:39 slef kados: aye, looks like upstream's release dates coincided badly 16:39 chris so I hope to squash some bugs at the same time 16:39 kados yep 16:39 chris ill have to check every part of koha works under it 16:38 chris as part of the mod_perl stuff 16:38 slef http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache2-mod-perl2.html 16:38 kados slef: yep, I was just alerting debian users that stable mod_perl2 is not mod_perl2 :-) 16:38 slef kados: debian has libapache2-mod-perl2 2.0.2 in testing, should be a simple apt-get source --build 16:37 chris a client is paying for the serials work, and routing is the major thing they want 16:37 kados slef: it might be: libapache2-mod-perl2 16:37 paul it does not handle following a serial 16:37 chris right, we'll probably extend that a bit too 16:37 paul it contains borrowers selected from borrowers or entered manually 16:37 chris cool 16:37 paul you can define a routing page, that can be printed. 16:36 paul quite simple, but working. 16:36 paul there's already something in HEAD on this subject 16:36 chris we will be, if no one else is 16:36 slef slef: libapache2-mod-perl2 16:36 kados is anyone working on serials routing? 16:36 paul or your bankcard secret code ? 16:36 paul owen ? is it your password ? 16:36 slef kados: what's actual deb package name? 16:36 owen 0078936 16:36 chris we need that 16:36 chris excellent 16:35 paul it's auto creation of an item when recieving 16:35 chris but extended to meet a few more requirements, and with system preferences to allow libraries to choose what features they need 16:35 paul I plan to add a small feature in serials, in 2.2.6 16:35 thd kados: etch has broken my Postgres 16:35 chris it will be built around the work on serials that has already been done 16:34 chris once we have collated their comments, and made some changes, work on the serials module will start 16:34 kados and they changed the namespaces so it does matter what version you have 16:34 kados everyone note that mod_perl2 is different than mod_perl 1.9998 which is what debian is calling mod_perl2 16:34 chris the serials spec is being read by a few libraries 16:34 thd paul: what counts for bytes, all data when expressed as an ISO2709 format? 16:34 kados cool 16:33 chris i hope to clean some stuff as I go, like paul was doing 16:33 kados yep ... mod_perl(2) and new serials then 16:33 paul we should speak of what chris will work on don't we ? 16:33 chris right, im about to start work on getting koha to place nice under mod_perl and mod_perl2 16:33 kados ok ... wanna talk about modperl then 16:32 chris ok I have 10 mins more then i have to go 16:32 chris heh 16:32 kados so paul wins then :-) 16:32 paul I won : it's 9999 Bytes ! 16:32 thd kados: I was working on that problem till I was caught in a certain municipal court disputing US$1.25 16:32 kados good point slef ... 16:32 paul but set size to something stupid 16:31 slef chars != bytes (welcome to unicode) 16:31 paul and the problem is that MARc::Record don't cut a too long MARC::Record when exporting in iso2709 16:31 kados :-) 16:31 paul kados : you won ;-) 16:31 paul it's 9999B iirc 16:31 kados IIRC it's 9999 chars 16:31 thd kados: We need to find the precise threshold of when size breaks MARC. 16:30 thd kados: yes we may have :) 16:29 kados thd: don't we already have that problem at some libraries? 16:29 chris but we can talk about that one another time 16:29 thd kados: Nothing to decide until people start creating XML records to large to convert back to MARC. 16:28 chris the other module ive found useful lately is want 16:27 chris its only a development tool 16:27 chris if you dont like them, dont use them 16:26 slef yuck, executable comments 16:26 kados so ... getting back to M::R and M::F::X ... anything we need to decide on that? 16:26 kados I'm all in favor of it 16:26 chris yep, just a little tip, handy for debugging 16:25 paul ok, so it's H::T compatible. 16:25 chris in the log 16:25 paul or in log ? 16:25 chris http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Smart-Comments-1.0.1/lib/Smart/Comments.pm 16:25 paul does it work with HTML::Template ? 16:24 chris and it goes back to being a comment 16:24 kados cool 16:24 chris then when im finished testing, i comment out use Smart::Comments 16:24 chris it gets output 16:24 chris ### $var 16:24 slef thd: new installer would be better, then MakeMaker and it will package easily anyway. 16:24 chris then if i type 16:23 chris use Smart::Comments; 16:23 chris ok, its a great tool for debug 16:23 kados not me 16:23 thd Packaging distributions would be much easier. 16:23 chris who here uses Smart::Comments ? 16:23 thd what about creating a class for koha modules on CPAN? 16:22 chris on the topic of perl modules 16:22 kados well ... andy et al 16:22 kados andy 16:22 paul a MARC::Record from Ed or andy ? 16:22 kados something else to keep in mind 16:22 kados I've been bugging Andy about that ... hopefully he'll update CPAN soon 16:21 kados so there is a unicode-friendly version of MARC::Record on SourceForge ... the CPAN version isn't unicode friendly 16:21 kados right 16:21 paul thus, you can go XML in Koha very easily. 16:21 paul with MARC::File::XML, you can read/write XML files in a MARC::Record. 16:21 thd s/meet/me 16:20 thd these disagreements never make any sense to meet 16:20 paul I explain : 16:20 kados I think it's been moved to MARC::File::XML 16:20 paul no, when I wrote MARC::XML, I speak of MARC::file::XML in fact 16:20 kados shedges: is there even a MARC::XML anymore? 16:20 kados hopefully this won't cause any problems in the interoperability of the modules 16:20 paul ed 16:20 paul ok, that's enough for me. 16:20 shedges who maintains MARC::XML? 16:19 kados but I know they're not speaking at the moment 16:19 kados I don't know any of the details 16:19 kados well, off the record, I think Ed Summers (who maintains MARC::File::XML and MARC::Charset) is upset with Andy Lester (who maintained MARC::Record) 16:19 thd kados: what fork are you expecting? 16:18 paul (could you explain a little bit more) 16:18 kados :( 16:18 kados I don't know the history, but I suspect we might see a fork 16:18 kados there are some political problems with the maintainers of the MARC modules 16:17 paul and MARC::XML is the natural tool to manage iso2709 files. 16:17 kados prompted by some complaints I submitted to Ed Summers 16:17 chris cool 16:17 paul my opinion is that XML is the way to go. 16:17 paul (maybe I did it in fact...) 16:17 kados we should see some commits soon to MARC::Charset and MARC::File::XML 16:16 paul no. But it's a good idea ! 16:16 kados paul: did you add MARC::XML to the agenda? 16:16 kados great ... thanks chris 16:16 thd Date::Calc 16:16 chris ill do it 16:16 kados great ... ok so let's do that then ... next question ... who? :-) 16:15 chris nope Damian Conway suggested Datetime too 16:15 chris Date::Manip has its place in things like reports 16:15 kados anyone object to that idea? 16:15 paul thus, i bet it's the way to go 16:15 kados right 16:15 paul from Paul Gaborit, THE perl mongueur in France 16:15 paul yes : going to Datetime 16:14 kados paul: did you get a response? 16:14 chris yes 16:14 paul I have asked a french newsgroup about this 16:14 kados I think we all agree that we've got to get rid of Date::Manip for proc-sensitive operations 16:13 kados mainly Date::Manip ... 16:13 kados Perl Packages 16:13 kados ok ... then we can move on ... 16:13 paul not from me. 16:13 kados anything else on this topic? 16:13 paul hard to solve the puzzle when you begin 16:13 kados yep 16:12 paul there are a lot of doc from indexdata, but in 3-4 different pieces. 16:12 paul for CQL search, the main problem is a yaz-zebra-zoom config problem I think. 16:12 chris that would be good paul 16:12 kados thanks, that will help alot 16:12 paul (+ commit some non working code) 16:12 kados that'd be great 16:11 paul I can summarize all my problems if you want. 16:11 paul (jeremie going to bed) 16:11 kados right 16:11 paul but nothing new in fact ! 16:11 paul I think we should write one to remind some questions are still unsolved. 16:11 kados (I can send if it would help) 16:11 kados do we need to send another email to koha-zebra explaining them? 16:10 paul I strongly hope ! 16:10 kados so hopefully chris or the Index Data guys can shed some light on these problems 16:10 kados right 16:10 paul + I can't really test, as I can't query the DB correctly ! 16:10 kados ok ... thanks paul 16:09 kados I see 16:09 paul yes, but only without recordId, thus only add works. modif don't 16:09 kados or this problem is preventing it? 16:09 kados so as of yet, have you sucessfully updated a zebra database with new records using Perl-ZOOM (at all?) 16:09 paul in HEAD, C4/Biblio could be moved to zebra in less than 1 hour I bet when i'll have zebra working 16:08 paul Thus i'm stuck and can't go further. 16:08 paul does not work. 16:08 paul recordId: (bib1, Identifier-standard) in zebra.cfg I mean 16:07 paul when I try to have a key defined 16:07 paul - Extended services don't work well for me either 16:06 paul - search in CQL don't work 16:06 paul 2 problems remains : 16:06 paul I can't make Perl ZOOM work correctly. 16:06 kados paul: where are we at with perl-zoom integration? are there still some problems encountered? 16:06 paul * Perl ZOOM : 16:06 paul - rewriting some C4 packages to : get rid with useless subs, normalize others and move others 16:06 kados paul: specifically, perl-zoom related stuff ... 16:05 paul - moving some scripts to a more logic directory 16:05 chris for about 45 mins 16:05 paul * code cleaning, 2 steps : 16:04 chris back 16:04 kados hehe 16:04 paul SO : 16:04 paul (writing with baby near me... any typo is not mine ;-) ) 16:04 kados yep 16:04 paul on HEAD you mean ? 16:04 kados paul: while we wait for chris, could you summarize what you've done so far? 16:03 kados http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06jan30 16:03 kados here's our agenda: 16:03 kados welcome everyone ... 16:02 paul lot of ppl tonight 16:02 slef kados: aye 16:02 kados still waiting for chris I think 16:02 thd still out of gaol 16:01 kados hi paul 16:01 paul hello world 16:01 thd here 16:01 kados so who's here? 16:01 kados OK ... well my clock reads 11:01 15:58 sanspach hello 15:58 kados hey sanspach 15:54 kados chris: ping when you get back 15:51 |hdl| paul won't be much late 15:50 chris be back in about 5 mins 15:49 |hdl| He asked me to excuse him 15:49 |hdl| But paul wil be late. 15:49 |hdl| hdl here. 15:49 chris but on the plus side, they are about koha 15:49 chris yeah, unfortunately I have other meetings to go too :( 15:48 chris i just edited the wiki a little 15:47 kados cause you're a major player here :-) 15:47 kados so should we get started a bit early chris? 15:07 slef hi kados 15:07 kados hi slef 15:00 kados AGENDA: http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06jan30 15:00 kados T-MINUS 60 MINUTES UNTIL KOHA ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING 13:50 osmoze J ai cru comprendre que Francis te contacterai dans les prochains jours, peut etre t en dira t il plus 13:49 osmoze je pense :) 13:49 paul ah, ok, alors il doit y avoir une nouvelle faille exploitée ;-) 13:48 paul y aurait il un virus/ver en cours de promenade. 13:48 osmoze paul, de msn pour la cam aussi 13:48 osmoze mais après reflexion, il faut etre fou pour rester chez A**** 13:48 paul c'est les ports du p2p ces trucs là sauf erreur. 13:48 paul bizarre... 13:48 paul plein de portscans sur les ports 6880-6999 aujourd'hui... 13:48 osmoze j'attend un retour de Francis maintenant 13:47 osmoze je pense oui :) 13:47 paul ta démo s'est bien passée ? 13:47 paul hello 13:47 osmoze hello 13:22 thd kados: I should de anonomise myself to reduce the hazard. I have been setting a few things up on my domain to prepare for that. 13:20 kados thd: for all practical cases, there is no limit now 13:19 thd kados: OK, what happens now when the message exceeds what limit? 13:18 kados thd: message size limit 13:18 kados which, so far as I can tell, it's not 13:18 thd kados: what do you mean by quota in this context? 13:18 kados unless it becomes a serious problem for everyone 13:18 kados for now, I'm too busy to worry about savannah bugs :-) 13:17 kados so let me know if it happens again 13:17 kados I recently adjusted the quota on koha-cvs 13:17 thd kados: I can only see the outside half of the issue so that I cannot prove the bug myself alone. 13:14 thd kados: If there is a bug, it would be nice to prove it, the Savannah people seem very responsive and have recently added a couple of admins. 13:12 thd kados: It was actually some commits of large files to cvs that put me over the quota, otherwise all should be fine. 13:11 kados hehe 13:11 thd kados: Hard to do from gaol :) 13:10 kados thd: best thing to do is make sure your email doesn't bounce :-) 13:09 thd kados: koha-devel had even sent me a message informing me that I was still subscribed without indicating a problem when I attempted to resubscribe. 13:08 kados thd: but you're not subscribed to koha-win32 13:08 kados thd: and you _are_ listed 13:07 kados thd: might just take some time to update the list 13:07 kados T-MINUS ~3 HOURS TO ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING 12:57 thd kados: I have re-subscribed myself to koha-zebra but there seems to be a bug if you do not see koha@alinto.com in the subscription list. 12:55 kados thd: you're subscribed to all except koha-win32 and koha-zebra ... please subscribe yourself to those lists as I'm quite busy :-) 12:54 thd kados: could you subscribe me to those lists, including cvs. I have certainly not been receiving anything from savannah. 12:52 kados thd: not a bug 12:52 kados thd: looks like koha@alinto is subscribed to every list except koha-win32 and koha-zebra 12:50 thd ? 12:50 thd kados: Apparently that flag cannot be reset externally. Is that something that you control or is it a bug. 12:48 thd kados: I was checking lawyers all the time not Koha mail and everything bounced after 6 Jan. 12:47 thd kados: can you ensure that koha@alinto.com is subscribed to all koha Savannah lists. 12:47 kados thd: there was a flag for your email address because of too many bounced messages 12:46 kados thd: ok ... should be fixed 12:43 thd kados: The system claims that I am already subscribed. 12:42 kados thd: I can add you manually 12:42 thd kados: Messages were bouncing when I had not checked them just and my mailbox quota became overfilled. 12:41 thd kados: I cannot resubscribe koha@alinto.com to the koha-devel list. 12:39 thd paul: hello, I am out of gaol and prosecution for contempt of court in Newark, New Jersey. 12:38 thd kados: avoid court in Newark, NJ at all costs 12:38 paul (hello owen too) 12:38 paul (hello thd) 12:37 paul what means "chase dismissed" ? 12:37 thd kados: yes 12:37 kados thd: you must be relieved 12:37 kados thd: congrats 12:37 thd kados: chase dismissed 12:36 kados thd: what's up? 12:36 kados thd: hi 12:35 thd kados: ping