Time Nick Message 12:35 thd kados: ping 12:36 kados thd: hi 12:36 kados thd: what's up? 12:37 thd kados: chase dismissed 12:37 kados thd: congrats 12:37 kados thd: you must be relieved 12:37 thd kados: yes 12:37 paul what means "chase dismissed" ? 12:38 paul (hello thd) 12:38 paul (hello owen too) 12:38 thd kados: avoid court in Newark, NJ at all costs 12:39 thd paul: hello, I am out of gaol and prosecution for contempt of court in Newark, New Jersey. 12:41 thd kados: I cannot resubscribe koha@alinto.com to the koha-devel list. 12:42 thd kados: Messages were bouncing when I had not checked them just and my mailbox quota became overfilled. 12:42 kados thd: I can add you manually 12:43 thd kados: The system claims that I am already subscribed. 12:46 kados thd: ok ... should be fixed 12:47 kados thd: there was a flag for your email address because of too many bounced messages 12:47 thd kados: can you ensure that koha@alinto.com is subscribed to all koha Savannah lists. 12:48 thd kados: I was checking lawyers all the time not Koha mail and everything bounced after 6 Jan. 12:50 thd kados: Apparently that flag cannot be reset externally. Is that something that you control or is it a bug. 12:50 thd ? 12:52 kados thd: looks like koha@alinto is subscribed to every list except koha-win32 and koha-zebra 12:52 kados thd: not a bug 12:54 thd kados: could you subscribe me to those lists, including cvs. I have certainly not been receiving anything from savannah. 12:55 kados thd: you're subscribed to all except koha-win32 and koha-zebra ... please subscribe yourself to those lists as I'm quite busy :-) 12:57 thd kados: I have re-subscribed myself to koha-zebra but there seems to be a bug if you do not see koha@alinto.com in the subscription list. 13:07 kados T-MINUS ~3 HOURS TO ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING 13:07 kados thd: might just take some time to update the list 13:08 kados thd: and you _are_ listed 13:08 kados thd: but you're not subscribed to koha-win32 13:09 thd kados: koha-devel had even sent me a message informing me that I was still subscribed without indicating a problem when I attempted to resubscribe. 13:10 kados thd: best thing to do is make sure your email doesn't bounce :-) 13:11 thd kados: Hard to do from gaol :) 13:11 kados hehe 13:12 thd kados: It was actually some commits of large files to cvs that put me over the quota, otherwise all should be fine. 13:14 thd kados: If there is a bug, it would be nice to prove it, the Savannah people seem very responsive and have recently added a couple of admins. 13:17 thd kados: I can only see the outside half of the issue so that I cannot prove the bug myself alone. 13:17 kados I recently adjusted the quota on koha-cvs 13:17 kados so let me know if it happens again 13:18 kados for now, I'm too busy to worry about savannah bugs :-) 13:18 kados unless it becomes a serious problem for everyone 13:18 thd kados: what do you mean by quota in this context? 13:18 kados which, so far as I can tell, it's not 13:18 kados thd: message size limit 13:19 thd kados: OK, what happens now when the message exceeds what limit? 13:20 kados thd: for all practical cases, there is no limit now 13:22 thd kados: I should de anonomise myself to reduce the hazard. I have been setting a few things up on my domain to prepare for that. 13:47 osmoze hello 13:47 paul hello 13:47 paul ta démo s'est bien passée ? 13:47 osmoze je pense oui :) 13:48 osmoze j'attend un retour de Francis maintenant 13:48 paul plein de portscans sur les ports 6880-6999 aujourd'hui... 13:48 paul bizarre... 13:48 paul c'est les ports du p2p ces trucs là sauf erreur. 13:48 osmoze mais après reflexion, il faut etre fou pour rester chez A**** 13:48 osmoze paul, de msn pour la cam aussi 13:48 paul y aurait il un virus/ver en cours de promenade. 13:49 paul ah, ok, alors il doit y avoir une nouvelle faille exploitée ;-) 13:49 osmoze je pense :) 13:50 osmoze J ai cru comprendre que Francis te contacterai dans les prochains jours, peut etre t en dira t il plus 15:00 kados T-MINUS 60 MINUTES UNTIL KOHA ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING 15:00 kados AGENDA: http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06jan30 15:07 kados hi slef 15:07 slef hi kados 15:47 kados so should we get started a bit early chris? 15:47 kados cause you're a major player here :-) 15:48 chris i just edited the wiki a little 15:49 chris yeah, unfortunately I have other meetings to go too :( 15:49 chris but on the plus side, they are about koha 15:49 |hdl| hdl here. 15:49 |hdl| But paul wil be late. 15:49 |hdl| He asked me to excuse him 15:50 chris be back in about 5 mins 15:51 |hdl| paul won't be much late 15:54 kados chris: ping when you get back 15:58 kados hey sanspach 15:58 sanspach hello 16:01 kados OK ... well my clock reads 11:01 16:01 kados so who's here? 16:01 thd here 16:01 paul hello world 16:01 kados hi paul 16:02 thd still out of gaol 16:02 kados still waiting for chris I think 16:02 slef kados: aye 16:02 paul lot of ppl tonight 16:03 kados welcome everyone ... 16:03 kados here's our agenda: 16:03 kados http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06jan30 16:04 kados paul: while we wait for chris, could you summarize what you've done so far? 16:04 paul on HEAD you mean ? 16:04 kados yep 16:04 paul (writing with baby near me... any typo is not mine ;-) ) 16:04 paul SO : 16:04 kados hehe 16:04 chris back 16:05 paul * code cleaning, 2 steps : 16:05 chris for about 45 mins 16:05 paul - moving some scripts to a more logic directory 16:06 kados paul: specifically, perl-zoom related stuff ... 16:06 paul - rewriting some C4 packages to : get rid with useless subs, normalize others and move others 16:06 paul * Perl ZOOM : 16:06 kados paul: where are we at with perl-zoom integration? are there still some problems encountered? 16:06 paul I can't make Perl ZOOM work correctly. 16:06 paul 2 problems remains : 16:06 paul - search in CQL don't work 16:07 paul - Extended services don't work well for me either 16:07 paul when I try to have a key defined 16:08 paul recordId: (bib1, Identifier-standard) in zebra.cfg I mean 16:08 paul does not work. 16:08 paul Thus i'm stuck and can't go further. 16:09 paul in HEAD, C4/Biblio could be moved to zebra in less than 1 hour I bet when i'll have zebra working 16:09 kados so as of yet, have you sucessfully updated a zebra database with new records using Perl-ZOOM (at all?) 16:09 kados or this problem is preventing it? 16:09 paul yes, but only without recordId, thus only add works. modif don't 16:09 kados I see 16:10 kados ok ... thanks paul 16:10 paul + I can't really test, as I can't query the DB correctly ! 16:10 kados right 16:10 kados so hopefully chris or the Index Data guys can shed some light on these problems 16:10 paul I strongly hope ! 16:11 kados do we need to send another email to koha-zebra explaining them? 16:11 kados (I can send if it would help) 16:11 paul I think we should write one to remind some questions are still unsolved. 16:11 paul but nothing new in fact ! 16:11 kados right 16:11 paul (jeremie going to bed) 16:11 paul I can summarize all my problems if you want. 16:12 kados that'd be great 16:12 paul (+ commit some non working code) 16:12 kados thanks, that will help alot 16:12 chris that would be good paul 16:12 paul for CQL search, the main problem is a yaz-zebra-zoom config problem I think. 16:12 paul there are a lot of doc from indexdata, but in 3-4 different pieces. 16:13 kados yep 16:13 paul hard to solve the puzzle when you begin 16:13 kados anything else on this topic? 16:13 paul not from me. 16:13 kados ok ... then we can move on ... 16:13 kados Perl Packages 16:13 kados mainly Date::Manip ... 16:14 kados I think we all agree that we've got to get rid of Date::Manip for proc-sensitive operations 16:14 paul I have asked a french newsgroup about this 16:14 chris yes 16:14 kados paul: did you get a response? 16:15 paul yes : going to Datetime 16:15 paul from Paul Gaborit, THE perl mongueur in France 16:15 kados right 16:15 paul thus, i bet it's the way to go 16:15 kados anyone object to that idea? 16:15 chris Date::Manip has its place in things like reports 16:15 chris nope Damian Conway suggested Datetime too 16:16 kados great ... ok so let's do that then ... next question ... who? :-) 16:16 chris ill do it 16:16 thd Date::Calc 16:16 kados great ... thanks chris 16:16 kados paul: did you add MARC::XML to the agenda? 16:16 paul no. But it's a good idea ! 16:17 kados we should see some commits soon to MARC::Charset and MARC::File::XML 16:17 paul (maybe I did it in fact...) 16:17 paul my opinion is that XML is the way to go. 16:17 chris cool 16:17 kados prompted by some complaints I submitted to Ed Summers 16:17 paul and MARC::XML is the natural tool to manage iso2709 files. 16:18 kados there are some political problems with the maintainers of the MARC modules 16:18 kados I don't know the history, but I suspect we might see a fork 16:18 kados :( 16:18 paul (could you explain a little bit more) 16:19 thd kados: what fork are you expecting? 16:19 kados well, off the record, I think Ed Summers (who maintains MARC::File::XML and MARC::Charset) is upset with Andy Lester (who maintained MARC::Record) 16:19 kados I don't know any of the details 16:19 kados but I know they're not speaking at the moment 16:20 shedges who maintains MARC::XML? 16:20 paul ok, that's enough for me. 16:20 paul ed 16:20 kados hopefully this won't cause any problems in the interoperability of the modules 16:20 kados shedges: is there even a MARC::XML anymore? 16:20 paul no, when I wrote MARC::XML, I speak of MARC::file::XML in fact 16:20 kados I think it's been moved to MARC::File::XML 16:20 paul I explain : 16:20 thd these disagreements never make any sense to meet 16:21 thd s/meet/me 16:21 paul with MARC::File::XML, you can read/write XML files in a MARC::Record. 16:21 paul thus, you can go XML in Koha very easily. 16:21 kados right 16:21 kados so there is a unicode-friendly version of MARC::Record on SourceForge ... the CPAN version isn't unicode friendly 16:22 kados I've been bugging Andy about that ... hopefully he'll update CPAN soon 16:22 kados something else to keep in mind 16:22 paul a MARC::Record from Ed or andy ? 16:22 kados andy 16:22 kados well ... andy et al 16:22 chris on the topic of perl modules 16:23 thd what about creating a class for koha modules on CPAN? 16:23 chris who here uses Smart::Comments ? 16:23 thd Packaging distributions would be much easier. 16:23 kados not me 16:23 chris ok, its a great tool for debug 16:23 chris use Smart::Comments; 16:24 chris then if i type 16:24 slef thd: new installer would be better, then MakeMaker and it will package easily anyway. 16:24 chris ### $var 16:24 chris it gets output 16:24 chris then when im finished testing, i comment out use Smart::Comments 16:24 kados cool 16:24 chris and it goes back to being a comment 16:25 paul does it work with HTML::Template ? 16:25 chris http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Smart-Comments-1.0.1/lib/Smart/Comments.pm 16:25 paul or in log ? 16:25 chris in the log 16:25 paul ok, so it's H::T compatible. 16:26 chris yep, just a little tip, handy for debugging 16:26 kados I'm all in favor of it 16:26 kados so ... getting back to M::R and M::F::X ... anything we need to decide on that? 16:26 slef yuck, executable comments 16:27 chris if you dont like them, dont use them 16:27 chris its only a development tool 16:28 chris the other module ive found useful lately is want 16:29 thd kados: Nothing to decide until people start creating XML records to large to convert back to MARC. 16:29 chris but we can talk about that one another time 16:29 kados thd: don't we already have that problem at some libraries? 16:30 thd kados: yes we may have :) 16:31 thd kados: We need to find the precise threshold of when size breaks MARC. 16:31 kados IIRC it's 9999 chars 16:31 paul it's 9999B iirc 16:31 paul kados : you won ;-) 16:31 kados :-) 16:31 paul and the problem is that MARc::Record don't cut a too long MARC::Record when exporting in iso2709 16:31 slef chars != bytes (welcome to unicode) 16:32 paul but set size to something stupid 16:32 kados good point slef ... 16:32 thd kados: I was working on that problem till I was caught in a certain municipal court disputing US$1.25 16:32 paul I won : it's 9999 Bytes ! 16:32 kados so paul wins then :-) 16:32 chris heh 16:32 chris ok I have 10 mins more then i have to go 16:33 kados ok ... wanna talk about modperl then 16:33 chris right, im about to start work on getting koha to place nice under mod_perl and mod_perl2 16:33 paul we should speak of what chris will work on don't we ? 16:33 kados yep ... mod_perl(2) and new serials then 16:33 chris i hope to clean some stuff as I go, like paul was doing 16:34 kados cool 16:34 thd paul: what counts for bytes, all data when expressed as an ISO2709 format? 16:34 chris the serials spec is being read by a few libraries 16:34 kados everyone note that mod_perl2 is different than mod_perl 1.9998 which is what debian is calling mod_perl2 16:34 kados and they changed the namespaces so it does matter what version you have 16:34 chris once we have collated their comments, and made some changes, work on the serials module will start 16:35 chris it will be built around the work on serials that has already been done 16:35 thd kados: etch has broken my Postgres 16:35 paul I plan to add a small feature in serials, in 2.2.6 16:35 chris but extended to meet a few more requirements, and with system preferences to allow libraries to choose what features they need 16:35 paul it's auto creation of an item when recieving 16:36 chris excellent 16:36 chris we need that 16:36 owen 0078936 16:36 slef kados: what's actual deb package name? 16:36 paul owen ? is it your password ? 16:36 paul or your bankcard secret code ? 16:36 kados is anyone working on serials routing? 16:36 slef slef: libapache2-mod-perl2 16:36 chris we will be, if no one else is 16:36 paul there's already something in HEAD on this subject 16:36 paul quite simple, but working. 16:37 paul you can define a routing page, that can be printed. 16:37 chris cool 16:37 paul it contains borrowers selected from borrowers or entered manually 16:37 chris right, we'll probably extend that a bit too 16:37 paul it does not handle following a serial 16:37 kados slef: it might be: libapache2-mod-perl2 16:37 chris a client is paying for the serials work, and routing is the major thing they want 16:38 slef kados: debian has libapache2-mod-perl2 2.0.2 in testing, should be a simple apt-get source --build 16:38 kados slef: yep, I was just alerting debian users that stable mod_perl2 is not mod_perl2 :-) 16:38 slef http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache2-mod-perl2.html 16:38 chris as part of the mod_perl stuff 16:39 chris ill have to check every part of koha works under it 16:39 kados yep 16:39 chris so I hope to squash some bugs at the same time 16:39 slef kados: aye, looks like upstream's release dates coincided badly 16:39 kados last time I checked there were some weird problems with mod_per2 and circ 16:39 chris or at least, get mason and bob to squash them for me 16:39 kados though I did get the OPAC working fine 16:39 kados heh 16:39 kados ok ... so all good there ... 16:40 kados anything more about serials or mod_perl? 16:40 chris not from me 16:40 kados ok ... lets hit on Database ... 16:40 kados paul: you added this I assume? 16:40 paul yep. 16:40 thd I would say something but I have not kept up this past month 16:41 thd I have not caught up yet :) 16:41 kados so I am happy with the idea of constraints 16:41 paul I just wanted to say that I'va added constaints in DB schema 16:41 paul + move to innoDB 16:41 kados nice job there paul 16:41 chris ok i better go catch a bus .. ill read the log 16:41 chris and email any things i think of 16:41 kados ciao chris ... read you soon 16:41 paul i'm not afraid with Oracle buying innoDB company. 16:41 slef paul: what does koha do if a constraint is violated? 16:42 kados i was gonna ask about that 16:42 paul as innnoDB is GPL unless i'm missing something. 16:42 paul it depends. 16:42 paul most constraints are CASCADE 16:42 paul meaning : if you delete the parent data, all childs are deleted too 16:42 kados slef and thd, you are our IP experts ... any probs using InnoDB in a GPL project like Koha that you can forsee? 16:43 paul some are RESTRICT, meaning deleting a parent is forbidden when a child exists 16:43 paul and a few are SET NULL, meaning, the childs are set to nULL when parent deleted. 16:43 thd what license does InnoDB have? 16:43 paul SET NULL are for issues, not to drop issues when a borrower is deleted : we keep the issuing record, anonymous 16:43 slef kados: checking 16:44 paul RESTRICT are for constraints like branches >> items. 16:44 paul you can't delete a branch if an item exists on it. 16:44 paul would be quite dangerous to set cascade here ;-) 16:45 sanspach why not RESTRICT for borrower >> issues ? 16:45 kados right 16:45 paul because we can't delete issues ! 16:45 shedges "The GNU GPL license, under which both MySQL and InnoDB are published, does not allow, without a permission from MySQL AB and Innobase Oy, linking of InnoDB and MySQL, or the client libraries of MySQL, to a product which you distribute but which does not itself satisfy the GNU GPL license." 16:45 slef kados: http://www.innodb.com/licenses.php says "The GNU GPL license, under which both MySQL and InnoDB are published [...]" = no problem AFAICT 16:45 shedges http://www.innodb.com/licenses.php 16:46 paul CASCADE or SET NULL are valid possibilityes, but RESTRICT is a bad idea I think 16:46 kados hehe 16:46 slef shedges: have you seen /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/copyright though? Not happy. 16:47 paul (should be somewhere else, but where ?) 16:47 thd shedges: Is that GPL 2 or a later version at the recipient's option? 16:47 slef paul: I hear mandriva put their copyright files in /dev/null ;-) 16:48 kados slef: what about future releases of innodb ... do we need to worry about them not being GPL? 16:48 thd shedges: this has become important now that there is a draft of GPL 3 16:48 slef kados: if it ever changes, I'd expect someone will probably fork mysql 16:49 kados ok ... so we do need to keep our eyes on what Oracle's doing with innodb 16:49 shedges thd: the page links to GPL 2 16:49 kados but in the meantime, I suppose we should move forward with it 16:49 kados as it's a much better storage engine 16:49 paul and say "mysql could not delete what you wanted to delete blabla" 16:50 kados right 16:50 thd shedges: what is the exact link? 16:50 paul I'm OK to continue managing the DB schema in the future. 16:50 kados we definitely need good error handling with the constraits 16:50 shedges http://www.innodb.com/gpl.txt 16:50 kados great, thanks paul 16:50 kados anything more on the databases or innodb stuff? 16:50 paul ;-) 16:50 kados paul: :-) 16:51 paul nope. Except i'll take a look at innoDB tweaks/config files 16:51 kados ok ... great 16:51 paul to see what to do to improve perfs. 16:51 paul i'll write the result on the wiki 16:51 kados if we need to discuss the licensing stuff lets start a thread on koha-devel 16:51 kados next is programming templates 16:51 kados owen can wake up now :-) 16:52 paul owen... time to leave your bed ;-) 16:52 paul derelict ??? 16:52 kados hehe 16:52 slef thd: looks like version at time of publication only http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/introduction.html 16:52 owen ...But paul has been taking up the slack 16:52 paul a last note on DB : 16:52 paul DB constraints requires mySQL 4.1 16:53 paul this is important I think 16:53 paul (even if every every major distro now provides it) 16:53 kados right 16:53 kados I'm ok with that 16:53 kados a last note on mod_perl2: it requires apache2 16:54 kados unless I'm mistaken 16:54 |hdl| but won't be required for Koha to work 16:54 kados right 16:55 kados ok ... so programming templates 16:56 kados at some point, hopefully soon, we're going to start designing some official Koha templates right? 16:56 paul hopefully. 16:56 paul and I won't be the designer, for sure ;-) 16:57 owen I thought Katipo was going to work on a design for us 16:57 kados hi si 16:57 si morning all 16:57 paul hi si 16:57 paul (not really morning for us, but hello even) 16:57 kados si: do you know if katipo plans to work on a new template design for 3.0? 16:57 si paul: quite 16:57 kados si: that Owen can code? 16:58 si I'd imagine we are 16:58 si but I'll check with the oracle (russ) who's just walked in the door 16:58 thd slef shedges: from http://www.innodb.com/gpl.txt "you have the option of following the terms and conditions either of that version or of any later version published by the Free Software Foundation" look for this text it is now important 16:59 si thd: it's important to remeber that's in the informatiuon about the license, not the license itself 16:59 russ kados : yes i think we will be doing templates 16:59 kados great ... so I'm assuming we'll know more about that in a couple of weeks when chris is almost done with perl-zoom stuff :-) 16:59 kados ok ... anything else to talk about regarding templates? 17:00 paul nope. 17:00 paul except that we have 2 possibilities: 17:01 paul - katipo defines a design that changes only a few PROG code. That should be possible because owen design + my improvements makes them really versatile 17:01 paul - katipo defines a design when Koha 3.0 is aalmost here 17:01 paul as it's really hard to update 2 sets of templates. 17:02 paul I tried, on 2.0 with en/fr, before the great translator tool knocks 17:02 paul and owen could confirm I bet 17:02 kados good point paul 17:02 kados ok ... lets move on to the installer 17:02 kados slef: can you update us on that? 17:03 owen We didn't really decide on paul's two possibilities 17:03 owen russ: any thoughts on those two options? 17:03 paul (we don't have, owen. katipo will tell us the way they want to follow) 17:04 russ sorry i compeltely forgot about this meetng 17:04 slef kados: the new installer is there, but the basic mechanics need some work and I most of all need a current INSTALL instructions 17:04 kados heh 17:04 russ i need to way up the pros and cons with the team 17:04 owen That's fine...as long as the ball is in the right court! :) 17:04 paul slef : "there" ? do you mean you have it or it is commited ? (I didn't saw anything on cvs on this subject) 17:05 kados slef: I think the closest thing to that we have is a couple of email I sent last month 17:05 kados (or was it in late November) 17:05 slef kados: do you have links handy so I can add them to comments? 17:05 thd what were paul's two possibilities? sorry for being behind. 17:05 slef paul: there's an old version committed... I need to commit the latest changes 17:05 kados slef: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2005-12/msg00013.html 17:06 kados slef: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2005-12/msg00015.html 17:06 paul thd : defining templates as late as possible, or defining them now, but using prog basis. 17:06 kados slef: well , that thread anyway 17:07 slef kados: thanks. Leaves me unpicking the 2.2.4 installer still, sadly. 17:07 paul slef : could you point me what you're speaking of ? 17:07 paul (in cvs ) 17:07 kados yep, less than ideal, but not too bad if you've got the koha dirs symlinked to CVS 17:07 slef paul: koha/Makefile.PL 17:08 paul ok, thanks 17:08 slef if anyone can fill in the right module versions, please do 17:08 kados so slef can you commit what you've done ... and we can take a look and talk about it at next meeting? 17:09 kados or on koha-devel 17:09 slef kados: ok 17:09 slef I'll mail koha-devel once it's in 17:09 shedges does the new installer handle MySQL 4.1 (no password() function)? 17:09 kados ok ... Fix budget-based acquisitions is a chris thinkg 17:09 kados slef: thanks 17:10 |hdl| will there be a Windows inwtaller too ? 17:10 kados user reviews is a chris thing too 17:10 thd before we leave installer may I ask about CPAN class for Koha? 17:10 kados I see 'plan approach for Feb' on the agenda 17:10 slef |hdl|: can't Windows perl use MakeMaker? 17:11 kados slef: what do you think about having Koha on CPAN? 17:11 slef thd: what are the benefits? 17:11 slef kados: I think maybe get MakeMaker working and then look again. 17:12 thd slef: I have spoken with Debian project leaders who recommend that for simplifying Debian packaging 17:12 slef |hdl|: same boat as me. I assume moving to MakeMaker won't make Windows installers harder anyway. 17:12 slef thd: far be it from me to contradict other developers, but that sounds odd. 17:13 thd slef: It keep the namespace clear when there is a universally recognised class. 17:13 slef thd: the main problems with a koha.deb are 1. getting the dependencies packaged and 2. finding a Maintainer. I'll be an Uploader if anyone is willing to be Maintainer. 17:13 thd for the modules to use 17:14 slef thd: ah, I think I see what you mean. Move C4 to either Koha or to Koha::C4 ? 17:14 thd exactly 17:14 slef thd: now that bit I can see the point of! Yes, please! 17:15 thd It should be an easy change unless someone knows of a problem 17:15 slef I can only think of the cvs directory layout and sheer number of places to change 17:15 kados yea, it would be a pain 17:16 kados but might be worth it in the longrun 17:16 kados paul: do you have an opinion on this? 17:16 thd paul: any problem with running a regex on the code to create a koha class 17:16 kados I'd be happy to maintain the CPAN 17:16 paul in fact, i'm not sure to understand what is suggested here 17:16 kados and might even be convinced to upload it :-) 17:16 thd paul: what is the opposite? 17:16 slef kados: let's try to get into shape in that way, then revisit? 17:17 slef kados: s/in that way/ready for upload/ 17:17 paul letting things as it (I mean for C4 package) 17:17 kados paul: we're talking about moving all Koha perl modules into a Koha:: class 17:17 kados paul: and having Koha::C4:: 17:17 kados paul: then we can upload Koha to CPAN 17:17 paul OK, thus I understood. 17:17 kados slef: sounds like a plan 17:17 kados anything else to discuss? 17:17 paul what is not clear is : is Koha::C4 useful for someone else than us ? 17:18 slef paul: non-web frontend writers, if I'm dreaming. 17:18 paul if not, then I don't understand why it's a good idea 17:18 kados slef: yea, that'd be great! 17:18 kados getting it out on CPAN can't hurt 17:18 paul right. 17:18 thd paul: maybe not but it makes packaging for binary distribution much easier when the namespace for the modules is clear and in CPAN 17:19 slef kados: it could. Might end up with stale code up there (sourceforge?) 17:19 paul ok, I'm not a monger here, so i will follow your opinion 17:19 paul stale ? 17:20 kados slef: so we'd have to make sure we maintained it 17:20 kados slef: I can definitely commit to that 17:20 thd paul: old or out of date but I have no knowledge of any problems updating to CPAN 17:20 kados ok ... if there's nothing else, 17:20 kados thanks everyone ... 17:20 kados while you're still here ... 17:20 kados any problems doing this again next Monday? 17:21 thd Monday is good 17:21 kados paul: work for you? 17:22 kados I'll try to get a summary out later today 17:22 paul should be OK for me 17:22 kados great ... hopefully chris will be ok with another early monday 17:22 thd I will try to be up to date by next Monday :) 17:22 paul bye bye thus 17:22 kados ciao paul 17:23 thd I have a months worth of work to catch up to 17:23 thd goodbye paul 17:24 |hdl| bye folks. 17:24 slef hdl: bye, A+ 17:24 thd good evening hdl_away 17:25 thd goodbye slef 17:27 thd kados: I am going to treat my re-subscription after bouncing messages problem as a bug and forward it to the Savannah maintainers unless you have information otherwise. 17:28 kados thd: it's not a bug 17:28 kados thd: don't bother them 17:29 thd kados: kados I do not want to bother anyone but the system clearly informed me that I was still subscribed when I could no longer receive messages after I attempted to re-subscribe. 17:30 kados thd: it's fixed now, so don't worry about it 17:31 thd kados: If you say so :) 17:32 thd kados: I should soon subscribe a non-anonymous address but even that would not guarantee never bouncing. 17:34 slef can we boot that list @googlegroups? 17:34 thd slef: what list? 17:34 slef freesoft@googlegroups - if I post to koha-devel, I get a bounce from them 17:35 slef It's because google has banned *@*.coop 17:35 thd slef: I do not understand what is banned. 17:35 slef here, let me paste some of the email I get: 17:36 slef You do not have permission to post to group freesoft. You may need to join the 17:36 slef group before being allowed to post, or this group may not be open to posting. 17:36 slef Visit http://groups.google.com/group/freesoft/about to join or learn more about 17:36 slef who is 17:36 slef allowed to post to the group. 17:36 slef [end quote] 17:36 slef every bloody time I post to koha-devel 17:36 slef I wish people would wise up about google... http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/google 17:36 richard it is really annoying to get those bounces 17:37 slef richard: oh, does everyone get them? 17:37 slef I thought it was the googlegroups ban on .coop again. 17:37 richard i do and i saw an email from someone else complaining about them too 17:38 slef biabb, dinner 17:41 russ next monday is superbowl? 17:41 shedges SUNDAY! (here, anyway) 17:41 russ ah of course 17:42 thd slef: now I understand about what you meant. 17:44 thd russ: whenever a significant part of the world is paying attention to a sporting event that just seems like an ideal opportunity to for me to get more work done. 17:54 russ thd : fair enough 17:56 thd russ: If chess tournaments were broadcast there was a time when i might have payed attention. However, the idea of a broadcast chess tournament is laughable :) 21:47 kados anyone around? 21:52 thd kados: I am still around 21:53 richard hi 21:59 thd kados: has chris fixed normal acquisitions in 2.x? 23:40 thd kados: are you still there 23:40 thd ? 23:51 kados thd: sort of 23:53 thd kados: are you placing a dependency on a particular DB flavour in Koha 3.0? 23:58 thd |hdl|: Did you see the question I just asked kados? 05:04 osmoze bonjour 05:18 paul_away (hello osmoze