Time  Nick      Message
10:37 kados     paul: just sent 'decision' to koha-devel on PROG
07:49 Sylvain   hi
05:04 chris     paul: you will appreciate this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10352414
04:52 paul      (on phone)
04:50 si        I just did :-)
04:50 si        coming from 202.50.109.222
04:50 paul      mmm... should have warned me...
04:50 si        is what I scanned
04:49 si        213.41.174.86
04:49 paul      which ip ?
04:48 paul      nope.
04:48 si        did you catch that one?
04:46 si        try
04:46 paul      but I think there are other warnings. like brute force attack on SSH
04:45 paul      (for example)
04:45 paul      yes, for instance.
04:45 si        hiya
04:45 paul      hi si.
04:45 si        port scans?
04:45 si        paul: what constitutes an attack?
04:44 paul      (was just to test)
04:44 paul      for instance, just one, tried by me ;-)
04:44 rachel    how many have you had?
04:25 paul      you are warned on your desktop when someone tries to attack your computer !
04:25 paul      hi paul
04:25 rachel    hi paul
02:04 MikeL     list
01:52 MikeL     You may remember we met in Sydney, I was just at the time considering Koha for the Royal Society of NSW
01:50 MikeL     Just got Koha going 10 mins ago at http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au:8080
01:44 rachel    ah  good
01:24 MikeL     For chris if he gets back. I setup an additional VirtualHost 123.456.123.456:8080 and the deafult koha settings. It seems to be working now.
00:58 MikeL     Anyhow this has got me closer to getting the thing up. I'll get the intranet working.
00:58 MikeL     under opac I have htdocs/opac-tmpl/ with the different templates there and no main.css , maybe its opac.css.
00:40 MikeL     ok
00:40 chris     ok, my wife has just arrived home, so i have to wander off for a bit, ill be back a bit later
00:40 chris     in the sql above
00:39 chris     then value="http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/opac/includes/main.css"
00:39 chris     Alias /opac/includes/ /home/koha/koha/opac/htdocs/includes/
00:39 chris     ahh if we put in our virtual host
00:38 MikeL     okies I'll look
00:38 chris     ill just try to find out
00:38 chris     im unsure of what the correct url is
00:38 chris     update systempreferences set value="http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/opac/something/stylesheet.css" where variable='opacstylesheet';
00:38 MikeL     I just did it to koha.conf only
00:38 MikeL     also maybe I should do a chown koha:www-data to the koha files  so apache can read them all ?
00:37 MikeL     what do I adjust
00:37 MikeL     yes
00:37 chris     so if we do
00:37 chris     there is a row that has opacstylesheet as its variable
00:35 MikeL     okies , wait  atic
00:34 chris     select * from systempreferences;
00:34 chris     and do a
00:34 chris     if you jump into the koha database (we'd do this in the librarian interface if it was up and running normally)
00:34 chris     now we can fix the stylesheet problem
00:34 MikeL     yes sans images
00:34 chris     and stylesheets
00:33 chris     sans images
00:33 MikeL     Koha now appears !
00:33 chris     hopefully youll get a different set of errors now :)
00:32 MikeL     No, oops
00:32 chris     is it readable by the user that apache runs as?
00:32 MikeL     i can post it if needed sans password
00:31 MikeL     its at /home/koha/koha/etc/koha.conf
00:31 chris     or is that where the config file is?
00:31 chris     read_config_file(/home/koha/koha/etc/koha.conf) returned undef at /home/koha/koha/intranet/modules/C4/Context.pm line 229.
00:31 MikeL     I put the errors from apache up there.
00:30 chris     od
00:30 chris     although this doesnt look go
00:30 chris     yep looks ok to me
00:30 MikeL     The install of the Koha software went fine ASAIK
00:29 MikeL     go to http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/~mikel/
00:27 chris     cool
00:27 MikeL     wait and I'll copy it.
00:26 chris     in the error log whats it saying when you hit http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
00:26 chris     cool
00:26 MikeL     I have a small cgi script to show vars and it shows PERL5LIB=/home/koha/koha/intranet/modules
00:25 chris     SetEnv PERL5LIB /home/koha/koha/intranet/modules
00:24 chris     right
00:24 MikeL     and the software is installed ina  koha dircetory under that user
00:24 chris     do you have the PERL5LIB line in your virtual host?
00:24 MikeL     There is a user called koha hence /home/koha
00:24 MikeL     yes
00:24 chris     and thats right?
00:24 MikeL     opachtdocs=/home/koha/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl
00:23 chris     is there a opachtdocs= bit as well?
00:23 MikeL     opacdir=/home/koha/koha/opac
00:22 chris     whats the error in the error log ?
00:22 MikeL     The welcome appears monentarily, then get errors
00:21 chris     what does it say in you /etc/koha.conf
00:20 chris     hmm
00:19 chris     darn
00:18 MikeL     yeah lots of errors in apache logs: it cant open templates
00:15 chris     hmm, it may have problems with the images tho ;(
00:14 MikeL     am making the edits now..... :-)
00:14 chris     and the .pl files all use html::template .. and they know where to get the templates from /etc/koha.conf
00:14 chris     then nsw.royalsoc.org.au/opac will get you to that page, which redirects you to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
00:13 chris     Alias /opac /home/koha/opac/htdocs
00:13 chris     so if you alias
00:13 chris     the rest are all scripts
00:13 chris     no, cos there is only one static html page
00:12 chris     hmm im not sure you need to change it
00:12 MikeL     but opac would need to use /home/koha/koha/opac/htdocs
00:12 MikeL     But what would I do about DocRoot. At present I have /home/rsnsw/web/nsw
00:09 MikeL     I didnt think of adding commands INSIDE the existing ones.
00:08 MikeL     OH! I have been thinking of how to add Extra VH's
00:08 chris     ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/koha/ /home/koha/opac/cgi-bin/
00:08 chris     Alias /opac/ /home/koha/opacs/htdocs
00:08 chris     in that virtualhost
00:07 chris     what id do then
00:07 MikeL     I want users to see http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/opac
00:07 MikeL     thats exactly what I want
00:07 chris     and royalsoc.org.nz/koha or the like
00:07 chris     you could www.royalsoc.org.au/opac
00:06 chris     right
00:06 MikeL     They are in <VirtualHost> directives.
00:05 MikeL     www.royalsoc.org.au and nsw.royalsoc.org.au and our provider has entries for those in their DNS
00:05 MikeL     What I have is a server at royalsoc.org.au that has two entries in httpd.conf
00:04 chris     but that would be a lot of work
00:04 chris     or you could edit the templates for the opac
00:04 MikeL     maybe I just need a modification of the VirtualHost directive.
00:04 chris     and insecure
00:04 chris     yep
00:04 MikeL     yuk, that would be non-standard
00:03 chris     you could just dump all the scripts in /home/koha/intranet/cgi-bin
00:02 MikeL     correct
00:02 chris     its going to clash with the opac
00:02 chris     so when it comes to /home/koha/intranet/cgi-bin which is expected to be /cgi-bin/koha
00:02 MikeL     thats right, and same for DocumentRoot
00:01 chris     i dont think ScriptAlias and Alias can be restricted to a directory
00:01 chris     i think you'll bump into problems with the intranet
00:00 MikeL     and ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/koha/ /home/koha/koha/opac/cgi-bin/
23:59 chris     and thats submitting to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl
23:59 chris     yep which is ok, until you try and submit a form
23:59 MikeL     I used Alias /opac /home/koha/koha/opac/cgi-bin
23:58 chris     since both the opac and the intranet expect things in /cgi-bin/koha
23:58 chris     and maybe even mod_rewrite
23:58 MikeL     yes so I will need an alias certainly
23:57 chris     is that koha expects /cgi-bin/koha/somethting.pl
23:57 chris     the problem you will have
23:56 chris     im not an expert, i can usually find my way round though
23:55 MikeL     is anyone there is an expert on apache setup?
23:54 MikeL     You have 6 mins before your knock off time :-)
23:54 chris     6 minutes till the weekend :)
23:54 rach      definitly dinner planning time
23:54 rach      4.54pm
23:53 MikeL     what time is it in NZ ?
23:52 chris     welcome back mike .. as you can see, im happy that im having chicken for dinner tonight :)
23:52 chris     man ive been doing that all day
23:52 chris     doh wrong channel again
23:52 chris     chicken for dinner
23:52 chris     score
23:34 destinati Good to know :)
23:33 chris     its all logged
23:33 chris     http://koha.org/irc/
23:33 destinati I'll let the connection linger and see if I pick up any tips ;)
23:33 chris     cya later, good luck
23:33 destinati hmm.. seems like it'll take awhile. I'll chalk today up as a learning experience and getting it going. Perhaps tomorrow I can delve more into the z3950. Thanks again Chris for your help. I'm off to bed. Have a great afternoon!
23:24 destinati ok set
23:23 chris     i think you can only use the z3950 in simple acquisitions
23:22 destinati and the variables too
23:22 chris     cool
23:22 destinati Now the book funds work
23:22 destinati Once again, you are right
23:21 destinati It ran without errors I think
23:21 destinati seems good
23:21 chris     but updatedatabase shouldnt need to be
23:21 chris     koha.upgrade is
23:21 destinati It's definitely meant to be run from an ANSI terminal
23:20 chris     there is updatedatabase
23:20 destinati hmm
23:20 chris     and in scripts/updater
23:20 chris     it should be in the base of that
23:19 chris     from sourceforge
23:19 chris     if you download the tarball
23:19 chris     pass on windows
23:19 destinati the koha.upgrade is located where?
23:19 chris     so you should be able to run it, it must have been run to set up the 2.2.3 database
23:18 destinati worth a shot
23:18 destinati right right
23:18 destinati or some other *nix specifics
23:18 chris     its perl
23:18 destinati I didn't know if there were things like bash scripts in there
23:18 destinati from windows? :)
23:18 chris     its run by koha.upgrade when u upgrade
23:17 chris     that oughta do it
23:17 chris     if you perl updatedabase
23:17 destinati I mean.. script of SQL commands
23:17 destinati MySQL SQL rather
23:17 chris     called updatedatabase
23:17 chris     there is a script
23:17 destinati I have no books in the database now
23:17 destinati is there a simple SQL that sets up everything for 2.2.4?
23:17 destinati Perhaps it's easier to throw away the database and start over before proceeding
23:16 destinati None of the variables show up
23:16 chris     then try again
23:16 chris     and swithc acquisitions to simple
23:16 chris     if you go to systempreferences
23:16 chris     but, you dont need bookfunds to use the z3950
23:15 destinati hmm
23:15 chris     i suspect as you installed 2.2.3 that there might have been some changes in the database structure between it and 2.2.4
23:14 destinati Acquisitions complains about no book funds.. but when I add a book fund.. it lets me do it.. but it doesn't seem to save it
23:14 destinati Hmm.
23:11 chris     then in acquisitions
23:11 chris     you need marc cataloguing turned on
23:11 chris     you would have to rewrite some code but it should/might work
23:11 destinati Maybe an even more basic question... where does one go to use the Z3950 code in the UI?
23:10 chris     not sure
23:09 destinati if the z3950 code in Koha would work?
23:09 destinati Would you happen to know if I used the suggestion on http://perl.z3950.org/support/windows.html
22:49 destinati 10:49 PM then :)
22:49 destinati Ah ha!
22:49 chris     kados is in ohio tho ;)
22:49 chris     where in nz? yes
22:48 destinati (I'm in Indianapolis, Indiana in the USA... it's 9:48 PM here.. on Thursday)
22:48 destinati I imagine it's about 3:48 PM on Friday there?
22:47 chris     owen or kados would know too, owen isnt here, and kados might be asleep though
22:47 destinati I'd be curious to ask him how they did the images
22:46 chris     at times, i havent seen him in a little while though
22:46 destinati Does Stephen Hedges stop by here?
22:43 chris     no problem
22:43 destinati Thanks. I appreciate your help... especially the Perl
22:42 chris     http://www.kohadocs.org/newbieguide.html is a good one
22:41 chris     lots of help there
22:41 chris     www.kohadocs.org
22:41 destinati Adding a branch...
22:41 destinati I think I remember seeing documentation on what I should do
22:41 destinati Hmm, I suppose I should set up the library before the script
22:38 destinati ah
22:38 chris     is about all i need
22:37 chris     screen + ssh + jed and a web browser
22:37 chris     i use jed
22:37 destinati or do you just use Vim or Emacs?
22:37 destinati correct
22:37 russ      Integrated Development Environment?
22:35 destinati What do you use as your IDE?
22:31 chris     (we wrote koha originally)
22:31 chris     katipo only has a little library
22:31 chris     nope im a programmer
22:28 destinati Katipo
22:28 destinati er
22:28 destinati Do you run the Katip library?
22:26 destinati so I'll have to translate that first
22:26 destinati It seems that on most books I just have the UPC
22:26 destinati Hmm.. I may be foiled again
22:25 chris     and use bulkmarcimport.pl to load them in
22:25 chris     or you can fetch marc records
22:25 chris     that will populate the marc and biblio tables
22:25 chris     newitems($item,($barcode));
22:24 chris     my $barcode='some unique identifier';
22:24 destinati Is it smart to go that route or should I do it via MARC?
22:24 destinati oh wow.. quite extensive on the properties
22:24 chris     };
22:24 chris     replacementprice=>
22:24 chris     holdingbranch=>branchcode,
22:24 chris     homebranch=>branchcode
22:23 chris     even
22:23 chris     biblioitemnumber=>$biblioitemnumber,
22:23 chris     biblioitemnumber=<$biblioitemnumber,
22:23 chris     biblionumber=>$biblionumber,
22:23 chris     sorry that should be
22:23 chris     biblioitemnumber=$biblioitemnumber,
22:23 chris     biblionumber=$biblionumber,
22:23 chris     my $item={
22:22 chris     and finally the item
22:22 chris     my $biblioitemnumber=newbiblioitem($biblioitem);
22:22 chris     };
22:22 chris     notes =>
22:22 chris     ...
22:22 chris     publishercode=>
22:22 chris     isbn => isbn
22:21 chris     itemtype => whatever you fetched
22:21 chris     biblionumber => $biblionumber,
22:21 chris     my $biblioitem = {
22:21 chris     then
22:21 chris     my $biblionumber= newbiblio($biblio);
22:20 chris     };
22:20 chris     notes=>
22:20 chris     abstract=>
22:20 chris     coprightdate=>
22:20 chris     seriestitle=>
22:20 chris     subtitle=>subtitle
22:20 chris     author=>author
22:20 chris     my $biblio= { title => the title ,
22:19 chris     then
22:19 chris     find matching bibliographic record
22:19 chris     get isbn number from input
22:19 chris     use C4::Biblio;
22:18 chris     something like this
22:18 destinati because she'd have fun with that part
22:18 chris     right
22:18 destinati All I want to do is have a way to populate as much as possible so that I can have my wife scan just the ISBN
22:18 chris     is the perl module that has all the routines for adding an modify
22:18 chris     C4::Biblio
22:18 chris     because you want to populate the marc tables also
22:17 chris     there are a bunch of routines to help you
22:17 destinati 7 biblio* tables
22:17 destinati Let's see...
22:16 destinati How normalized are the tables?
22:16 destinati Hmm.. I'm trying to see what's the most painfree way of sending just an ISBN to the LOC and getting data back on the Windows side
22:15 destinati Don't need to go *over*board :)
22:15 destinati surely there is a way to get a nice string of numbers from a thumbprint alone
22:15 destinati hehe.. no
22:15 russ      retina scan and thumb print to issue an item :-)
22:14 destinati but that was scary to some...
22:14 destinati I wanted to get a biometric device
22:14 chris     true
22:14 destinati That's a logistics issue in itself
22:13 destinati Well, before we get to the self-checkout.. we have to issue cards to about 500 people
22:13 chris     except its erroring at the moment, i better let kados know :)
22:12 destinati Sort of the "nerd to the rescue"
22:12 chris     i reckon liblimes self checkout might be worth looking at
22:12 destinati And then I came onboard
22:12 destinati That's how it's been for years
22:12 chris     :)
22:12 destinati It's a lot on the honor system
22:12 destinati and put it in a basket
22:12 destinati and when people want to check out something, they fill out a card with the name of the book and their name
22:11 destinati currently we have a pretty big room filled with books
22:11 destinati Anything is better than our current system
22:11 chris     its not close to beta yet
22:11 destinati haha
22:11 chris     3.0 will probably eat your data, and corrupt your children or something
22:11 chris     definitely 2.2.4
22:10 destinati Since you have been in the code
22:10 destinati If you were going to start a library right now, would you use 2.2.4 or a 3.0 beta?
22:09 destinati unfortunately there is a server error at the self checkout demo
22:07 destinati rookie mistake :)
22:07 chris     :-)
22:07 destinati Ah ha! I feel like I deserve an egg on my face. I noticed that when I logged on to the intranet site it still said "Welcome to Koha 2.2.3".. I fixed the etc, but aparently didn't change a certain line in my Apache config file... so it pointed to an old directory.. now the menu problem is gone
22:06 chris     IP law that is
22:06 chris     it would seem like it ... but then most IP contradicts any common sense anyway :)
22:05 chris     i think if you register with amazon, you can use them, or something like that
22:05 destinati Seems like it's fair use
22:05 chris     technically its really easy to grab them from somewhere like amazon .. legally .. well thats another question :)
22:04 chris     the main issue with images afaik is copyright
22:04 chris     kados is on, but i think lurking
22:03 chris     i dont think any of them are around at the moment
22:03 chris     hmm i dont think so, im not sure where they got their images from, perhaps amazon
22:03 chris     its due for a rewrite for koha 3.0 (coming out next year) and it should be much more robust, and work on windows
22:03 destinati I saw that the Nelsonville library had cover photos
22:02 destinati Is there a standard way to get book images?
22:02 destinati Right. That makes sense
22:02 chris     the idea is that z39.50 is a standard, so you can query lots of different libraries with it
22:01 chris     which works on unix/linux .. doesnt work so well on windows
22:01 chris     but the way Koha does it, is by use of a z3950 client that hits the library of congress's z3950 server
22:00 chris     yep thats right
22:00 destinati I'm probably missing something though
21:59 destinati ?
21:59 destinati probably as fast as the person can pick up a book and scan it
21:59 destinati and then populates the database
21:59 destinati gets the data back
21:59 destinati the perl code hits that server with the ISBN
21:59 destinati So, I was thinking that the bar code reader scans... types the numbers in.. presses enter
21:58 destinati and got the reply with the catalog info
21:58 destinati I've sent an XML query to a library of congress gateway
21:58 destinati Maybe I'm confused
21:58 chris     that i dont think anyone has managed to install on windows yet
21:57 destinati I've read about that
21:57 chris     it makes use of a perl module called Event.pm
21:57 chris     its very hard to get the z3950 code to work under windows
21:57 destinati like Amazon or Library of Congress
21:57 chris     yep, thats possible, the problem is
21:57 destinati and have it pull the catalog data in from other sources
21:57 destinati One of the initial things I want to do is set up our bar code reader so that all that I have to do is scan the ISBN number
21:56 chris     cool
21:56 destinati During the day I work as a software engineer
21:56 destinati Hopefully I'll get to that soon
21:56 chris     unfortunately i dont know much about html/css ... i do the stuff in the background :)
21:55 chris     sounds like a css problem to me
21:55 destinati and hovering above the top menus displays on the top half of the screen
21:55 destinati but.. in FireFox and Internet Explorer... the members screen is about halfway in the screen
21:54 chris     that will only work if nothing has changed inthe database structure between 2.2.3 and 2.2.4 and i think some has
21:54 destinati It's probably a css/javascript mismatch
21:54 destinati except.. well, the menus are a bit off
21:54 destinati and everything works well when I go to opac and intranet
21:54 chris     ahh
21:54 destinati and then moved the appropriate 2.2.4 code to the right folders
21:53 chris     http://liblime.com/c/demos.html#selfcheckdemo
21:53 destinati and I used the 2.2.3 installer
21:53 destinati I'm running Apache 2.0 on a Windows XP box
21:53 destinati But, I have a few smaller issues first
21:53 chris     id take a look here
21:53 destinati That's the long term goal anyway
21:53 chris     right
21:53 destinati No real librarians there to assist
21:53 destinati so we can keep track of things
21:53 destinati where people simply walk up to it and scan their books at a barcode reader
21:52 Mike      i'll just lurk here while I play with my own install, will ask when I have something specific.
21:52 destinati Ideally, we'd like to have it be a kiosk
21:52 chris     righto
21:52 destinati I'm setting up Koha 2.2.4 up for a collection of about 3,000 items
21:51 Mike      thanks chris
21:51 chris     welcome back mike
21:51 chris     i can give it a try
21:51 destinati I don't suppose anyone there is willing to help a Koha newbie? :)
21:50 destinati Hello
21:50 chris     hi
16:24 rosa      and we're certainly not unhappy with the whole
16:23 rosa      we've lost a bit of functionality, and chris has struggles to replace some other bits of functionality. We're very happy with the new OPACs
16:23 paul      yes. I would be very happy if it were used in Koha 3.0.
16:22 rosa      that's due to Katipo's smart designers
16:22 paul      (you have a very very very nice theme indeed)
16:21 paul      happy with it ?
16:21 rosa      yes, indeed
16:21 paul      chris told me you were now on Koha 2.2.4
16:21 rosa      hello paul
16:20 paul_away hello kiwi librarian !