Time Nick Message 13:02 owen Hi meushi 13:03 meushi hi owen 15:43 russ shaun - you still around? 16:13 pate-lurk kados, you around? 16:14 chris heya pate 16:14 pate-lurk i'm talking to someone in seattle who's looking for help with Koha on win32 16:14 pate-lurk anyone i can CC: on an email to him 16:15 pate-lurk hiya chris 16:15 chris hmm not that i know of, you could cc the win32 list? 16:16 pate-lurk yeah, i'm asking him to subscribe 16:17 pate-lurk i should probably pull my name of the contact page ... i'm not sure that I'm much help beyond pointing to people and giving encouragement at this point 16:17 chris :) the new website is about to be soft launched today 16:18 pate-lurk cool 16:19 chris so i think as that filters through you should have less requests 16:20 chris its trying to point ppl at the lists as first port of call 16:20 chris for free support anyway 16:20 pate-lurk well, it's not like i get a lot of requests ... this is the first one in quite a while 16:21 pate-lurk it's in seattle though 16:21 chris right 16:21 pate-lurk and that says something for them ... Seattle Academy of Fine Art 16:22 pate-lurk btw, congrats on the profiling work (from your blog) 16:23 chris ta, date::manip is still in use in C4::Search, which circulation.pl is using so ill have to fix taht too to get the speed i want 16:23 chris ohh the academy of fine art 16:23 chris i drove past that 16:24 chris id forward it on to joshua, he might be able to help out, or know someone who can 16:26 kados pate-lurk: am now 16:28 kados pate-lurk: I think I'd recommend a hosted solution for those folks 16:29 kados pate-lurk: our server-farm is in seattle ;-) 16:29 kados pate-lurk: and it's got a fiber backbone 16:29 kados pate-lurk: so it's super fast 16:30 pate-lurk well, i cc:ed your info address 16:35 chris hows the new job treating ya pate? and has your daughter started school? 16:36 si ohh, pat's in 16:36 si are yo ukeeping well, pat? 16:41 pate-lurk sorry, had an urgent request 16:41 pate-lurk yeah, the job's treating me well, and eliza's in her second week at the Uni 16:41 pate-lurk hiya si 16:41 chris excellent 16:42 pate we adopted a dog (a rescued chocolate lab) 16:42 chris we need to make a dogs.koha.org :) 16:43 russ i reckon 16:43 si nope, they don't care either way :-) 16:43 pate heh 16:46 rach steve T had a border collie I recall 16:48 chris 2 for me, 2 for rach and si, 1 for pate, 1 for owen, 1 for russ ... who else 16:49 chris richard has 1, and he has been doing lots of koha work lately 16:49 chris mason sorta has one 16:50 russ angela has been working on the website and she has one 16:53 russ shaun you there? 16:53 shaun yep 16:54 russ ok so on the website things still left to do 16:54 russ you start :-) 16:54 shaun from my perspective: 16:54 shaun # a katipo tech needs to look at cgi-irc and get it pointing at #koha-lobby, and also set up logbot for #koha-lobby 16:55 pate-lurk gotta run ... 16:55 chris cya pate 16:56 rach cya 16:56 shaun # the search box needs to be changed to point at the htdig page, with the right variables, and i will also construct the search results page when i get around to it... 16:56 chris im doing htdig now 16:56 shaun # i'd like to see the download page a bit better written 16:57 shaun chris: great 16:58 russ # world map - i have an idea that i am going to document - the map idea just isnt working - i think a little directory db like oscommerce has is a better idea something people can search over by country and library type 16:58 russ i'll spec that over the next week or so 16:58 shaun # someone (Irma?) needs to come along and make the general style the same, and check for common errors like greengrocer's apostrophes, very long sentences, links which consume more of the text than they should etc 16:59 shaun (that last one: writing/prose style) 16:59 shaun # i need to sort out the breadcrumbs that i broke 17:00 shaun # the related links box should be filled in with appropriate links, and commented out on pages where there are no related links 17:03 russ that has been done for the most part shaun 17:04 shaun russ: there's still a few pages with the original message i left there, they need doing, but otherwise the related links are all good 17:04 russ can you give me url's 17:04 russ i thought i just sorted those 17:05 russ maybe i need to trigger them 17:05 shaun not tonight (i've got less than 10 minutes left, then bed) 17:06 russ no worries 17:06 russ we will do some checking before and after the go live 17:06 shaun there's then my long-awaited css patch, which should sort the wrapping h2s, the feature row on the homepage, the not-so-nice green links on the homepage and a few other minor things 17:07 shaun meta tags need to be sorted - i'd imagine you'd be better at that than me but i put in some provisional ones 17:08 shaun rss feed meta link also needs to point at the aggregator 17:08 shaun (^ wow, that's a lot of stuff to do) 17:09 russ well the hope is that is will be a living website 17:09 russ so i would expect that list to grow 17:09 russ :-) 17:10 shaun also, if we could find two more links for the quick links, that would be great - i designed the fourth (now third) row around having the same box size 17:10 russ ah righto 17:10 russ i'll sort something there 17:11 shaun i've been noticing you have put some additional styles in - take the /about-koha/ page, for example 17:13 shaun in the related pages links, the h2 "Why Koha?", and the bold subheadings 17:13 shaun is that something you intended or what the html editor has done? 17:13 russ right no idea on that one - i havent been playing with the styles 17:13 russ i think there may be a bit of both 17:14 shaun i'd like to see it all just happily using tags unless it's absolutely necessary to do some inline styling 17:14 shaun so <strong> instead of font-weight: bold; etc 17:15 rach that won't be us doing that - but you can use Kea's excellent tattle tale feature to see who's been introducing them and beat them up :-) 17:15 shaun :-) 17:16 shaun an easy one - the javascript(s) in the head should be moved into a file and the headers all pointed to that file (just cuts down unnecessary code) 17:16 shaun the favicon.ico should be replaced with rach's new, slicker logos 17:17 kados russ: just getting to the website now 17:18 kados russ: you can add Northland Bible Baptist College to the list of opacs 17:18 kados russ: libcat.nbbc.edu 17:18 kados russ: came out nicely I think 17:18 kados russ: and you can link directly to the Koha intranet http://koha.liblime.com 17:19 chris http://new.koha.org/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=koha&method=and&format=builtin-long&sort=score&words=chris&submit=Go 17:19 kados nice! 17:19 kados search even works ;-) 17:19 kados our search didn't work for at least a week after launch ;-) 17:20 chris ohh that did come out nice kados 17:20 shaun chris: looking good 17:21 kados russ: let me find nbbc's stats 17:21 chris i like the icons, and book images 17:23 kados russ: 55,000 records, 1,100 borrowers, 17:23 shaun chris: how difficult would it be to touch it up for xhtml 1.0 (i.e. closing tags)? 17:23 chris dont ask me 17:23 chris i dont write html 17:23 kados shaun: before the conference? ;-) 17:24 kados russ: there's also an official LibLime press release on my appointment as RM: http://liblime.com/c/koha24RM.html 17:24 kados russ: you getting this? ;-) 17:25 Irma g'day all 17:26 Irma Are you about Russel? 17:26 shaun hi Irma - we've been talking about the site's content 17:27 Irma sorry for my abscence ...where is the discussion up to? 17:28 shaun (where has russ gone, anyway?...) 17:28 thd Irma: I guess it is up to why is thd tardy :) 17:29 shaun Irma: http://new.koha.org/ - i'll find one of my comments earlier and paste 17:30 shaun shaun: # someone (Irma?) needs to come along and make the general style the same, and check for common errors like greengrocer's apostrophes, very long sentences, links which consume more of the text than they should etc 17:30 shaun shaun: (that last one: writing/prose style) 17:31 shaun sorry guys, i've gotta dash, i'm restricted by my school term times again 17:31 russ sorry 17:31 russ other work has come up 17:31 Irma yep... his is where I can come in. 17:31 thd Answer, feature list to actually sell Koha on features has taken some time and still two modules to go. 17:31 Irma Russ can we schedule a time to prepare for the editing/proofreading? 17:32 russ yep sorry guys - i need 20 mins to deal with a client 17:32 russ bbs 17:34 Irma Hi thd...sorry, I don't know your full name... 17:35 thd Irma: Dukleth 17:36 thd Irma: It may still be misspelt on the website. 17:38 thd Irma: Appears mistakenly as Duklef http://new.koha.org/about-koha/koha-team.html 17:42 russ righto 17:43 Irma oh yes I can see Thomas...what is the correct spelling? Are you in New Zealand? 17:43 thd Irma: Dukleth 17:43 russ i think we are going to need some htdig nosearch tags in the code as well - i'll ask someone to have a look at that 17:43 thd Irma: I have corrected the source and notified the change. 17:44 Irma beaut! 17:44 thd russ: What havoc has htdig been doing? 17:45 chris just indexes the navigation 17:45 chris which we dont really want it to 17:45 russ so it comes up in the search results 17:45 russ in the descriptions 17:45 russ not pretty 17:46 thd Irma: I am in NYC. 17:47 Irma Russ: hi... unfortunetly I will need to be away from my desk for about 3 hours...can I call you...let's say :your time 2:30PM??? 17:47 rach hi irma - thank you so much for your present :-) 17:47 russ that should be ok 17:47 russ i will be getting out of a meeting about then 17:47 Irma thanks Thomas, I love your city. 17:47 kados site looks great everyone 17:48 kados http://new.koha.org/about-koha/case-studies/nelsonville.html 17:48 kados russ: related links not quote what we expect ;-) 17:48 rach Irma: scan indicates a boy so the clothes should be perfect :-) 17:48 Irma Isn't it so small, tripple zero! The sweets are for all who have a sweet Nature!/tooth! 17:49 russ kados: go some ideas there? 17:49 russ s/go/got 17:49 rach they are v cute :-) 17:49 kados agreed ;-) 17:49 kados russ: not off hand 17:50 kados russ: but if you tool around on the LibLime Koha pages you might find some interesting news and other related links 17:50 kados russ: http://liblime.com/koha 17:50 kados russ: there's a 'Koha in the News' section 17:50 Irma just looked at the website...positive so far 17:50 russ would it be appropriate to link to npl home page, liblime, and skemotah from the npl case study? 17:51 kados russ: suure 17:51 kados sure even ;-) 17:51 kados chris: any chance we could have a live chat going ? 17:51 thd kados: what is the self checkout system that Koha supports? 17:51 kados thd: web-based ... it'll be included in Koha 3.0 17:52 kados chris: cgi::irc direct to irc.katipo.co.nz #koha? 17:52 thd kados: Do you not have it in use already at NPL? 17:52 kados shaun should probably put together a graphic for that 17:52 kados thd: yep 17:52 kados thd: been using it for several months 17:53 chris yeah if i get time kados 17:53 chris well not #koha 17:53 thd kados: So the issue is that the code has not been committed to the current release? 17:53 kados chris: why now? 17:54 kados chris: not even 17:54 kados thd: yes 17:54 chris dunno, im sure there was a discussion about this already? 17:55 thd kados: Which manufacturer system does the code support? 17:55 kados thd: it's web-based 17:55 kados thd: so IBM for starters ;-) 17:55 chris im sure there was, and we came up with koha-lobby or are we dreaming? 17:55 chris we=I 17:56 kados the idea being that it'd be a salesy channel? 17:56 chris dont think so 17:56 chris i cant remember, someone help me out 17:57 chris i gotta go do some work, but ill be back 17:57 thd kados: sorry for being so dense, I was basing my question on some ambiguous references in the Koha diary or on the koha-devel list. 17:58 kados thd: np :-) 18:05 thd previous discussion between chris and kados had been looking for what kados had proposed as #koha-lobby: 18:05 thd 11/08/05 11:00:35+-5 <kados:#koha> rach: I'd like to have a koha-lobby 18:05 thd 11/08/05 11:00:45+-5 <rach:#koha> nice idea 18:06 kados hehe 18:06 kados it was my proposal to boot ;-) 18:06 thd congratulations kados 18:07 thd kados: you and chris were dreaming the same dream 18:09 thd kados: when you migrate a library to koha where do you find the status information? 18:11 thd kados: answer at your leisure. 18:13 russ thd: your efforts are much appreciated :-) 18:14 thd russ: You mean the ones you have not seen yet :) 18:15 russ thd: i have blind faith :-) 18:18 russ allrighty then - http://www.koha.org/ - few teething problems that we are working through, but they should be sorted soon 18:21 thd russ: You might reserve a little judgement, I have already written but not yet posted a message explaining why I have done it the way that I have. Serving multiple purposes, including motivating more serious interest by people in Koha for features that are not obvious with the broken demo. Yet I think it will by liked after perhaps some modification. Then, I will go onto adding to the FAQ. 18:32 chris http://koha.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi 21:55 Irma g'day again 21:55 russ hi 21:58 russ http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/ 21:59 russ http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/tutorial1/screen-large.html 22:07 dean hi irma 22:08 dean http://koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz/kaka/index.cgi?path=/about-koha/ 22:14 dean http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/tutorial2/changes.html 00:43 hdl hi 02:15 osmoze hello 02:15 osmoze bonjour paul 02:15 paul (gros pb de ternet chez moi aujourd'hui...) 02:16 paul (c'est bien la peine d'avoir nerim et payer + cher pour avoir des déco :-( 02:16 osmoze je viens de lire tes mails et y a t il eu un fil sur les rss que j ai loupé ou peux tu me dire le fonctionnement (en gros) vis a vis de koha 02:16 osmoze paul, c est comment a marseille avec l eau N 02:16 osmoze ? 02:16 osmoze hdl> et toi, pas touché ? 02:16 paul il y en a assez peu, NETTEMENT - qu'hdl 02:16 paul (qui est à mpl) 02:16 hdl non pas de façon visible. 02:17 hdl ... pour les décos. 02:17 hdl Mais pour l'eau, faut voir... 02:17 hdl Ce fut un peu le déluge. 02:18 osmoze et l autoroute est ouverte ? 02:19 hdl Cet AM ce devrait être praticable. 02:19 hdl Mais renseigne-toi aux infos aujourd'hui. si tu comptes prendre les départementales. 02:20 osmoze normalement non, je prendrai ce qui est pratiquable...Mais j aimerai pas prendre la barque ^^ 02:23 paul et hop, deco/reco encore une fois... 08:27 owen Happy Friday, #koha 08:28 kados morning owen 08:28 owen Hey kados. So you gave up on the mod_perl stuff for now? 08:28 kados yea ... too much to do before tomorrow 08:28 kados I'll hack on it next week 08:29 owen Yeah, I guess tomorrow would be a bad day for Koha to be acting up 08:29 owen The speed increase certainly makes it worth pursuing 08:29 kados we've got to move some OPACs today and printers, etc/ 08:29 owen ltsp clients? 08:29 kados oh ... and did I mention the phone system :-) 08:29 kados linux terminal server project 08:30 owen Cool... Didn't realize you were doing that. 08:30 kados yea ... pretty nice setup too XFCE with Mozilla 08:30 kados they auto-login and start Firefox 08:31 kados plus I can troubleshoot them from the server 08:31 kados I'm also working on getting remote desktop control so staff can work on their desktops while they are on circ 08:31 kados (when things get slow) 08:41 owen Wait...I thought things never got slow at Athens! 08:43 hdl kados : how was your meeting ? 08:48 kados hdl: very successful 08:48 kados hdl: they await the success of the Z3950 client but everything else was very smooth 08:48 kados hdl: thanks! 09:02 hdl kados : Don't mention it. 10:54 kados paul and hdl are you around? 10:54 paul yes (for me) 10:54 hdl yes. 10:54 kados great ... I have a quick question 10:54 kados do you both have CVs that you can send me? 10:54 paul in french yes. 10:54 kados CV meaning a 'resume blurb'? 10:55 kados that's fine ... I can translate ;-) 10:55 kados I will use them in a proposal to illustrate diversity and expertise of Koha team 10:57 paul sent 10:58 kados thanks 11:11 kados paul: recieved your CV 11:12 kados hdl: can you send yours? ;-) 11:14 shaun kados: http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl?look=plain&startdate=2005090910:47:34&enddate=2005090910:57:34&search=Search 11:14 shaun "shaun should probably put together a graphic for that" -- what should i do? 11:14 kados shaun: ahh ... for the livechat 11:15 kados we'll need some kind of graphic signaling folks that they can get on koha-lobby 11:15 kados thx 11:15 owen Hey shaun. The Koha site looks great. Well done. 11:15 kados yea ... looks very professional 11:16 kados nicely done shaun 11:16 shaun cheers 11:16 paul yes, very nice. 11:17 paul except that there is still no bg color in <body> 11:17 paul so, it's grey for me, not very nice :-( 11:17 shaun i'm doing a patch asap 11:17 paul great ! 11:18 paul another note : I can't find a link to the french site. 11:18 paul should be reintroduced on home page, imho 11:19 shaun paul: it's in the pay for support page 11:19 kados paul: agreed ... 11:20 kados though eventually I think we decided we'd have a bunch of little 'flats' on the top right (or somewhere) signaling different languages 11:20 kados and we'd have a translated version of the site on koha.org 11:20 paul I plan to rewrite koha-fr.org to look like koha.org, but not next week ;-) 11:21 kados :-) 11:21 paul ok, leaving now, read you on next monday ! 11:21 kados http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkoha.org&langpair=en%7Cfr&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools 11:21 kados not too bad as far as format goes 11:21 shaun paul: feel free to ask if you need any help porting it, i can send you the static one if you like 11:22 kados shaun: could you put some 'flags' up in the meantime that link to the google translation pages? 11:22 kados shaun: and as we get 'real' translations we can change the links? 11:22 shaun i wouldn't like to use google translate, it's not always accurate, but i'll certainly look at making the flags 11:23 kados well ... it's better than no translation at all IMO