Time  Nick      Message
13:02 owen      Hi meushi
13:03 meushi    hi owen
15:43 russ      shaun - you still around?
16:13 pate-lurk kados, you around?
16:14 chris     heya pate
16:14 pate-lurk i'm talking to someone in seattle who's looking for help with Koha on win32
16:14 pate-lurk anyone i can CC: on an email to him
16:15 pate-lurk hiya chris
16:15 chris     hmm not that i know of, you could cc the win32 list?
16:16 pate-lurk yeah, i'm asking him to subscribe
16:17 pate-lurk i should probably pull my name of the contact page ... i'm not sure that I'm much help beyond pointing to people and giving encouragement at this point
16:17 chris     :) the new website is about to be soft launched today
16:18 pate-lurk cool
16:19 chris     so i think as that filters through you should have less requests
16:20 chris     its trying to point ppl at the lists as first port of call
16:20 chris     for free support anyway
16:20 pate-lurk well, it's not like i get a lot of requests ... this is the first one in quite a while
16:21 pate-lurk it's in seattle though
16:21 chris     right
16:21 pate-lurk and that says something for them ... Seattle Academy of Fine Art
16:22 pate-lurk btw, congrats on the profiling work (from your blog)
16:23 chris     ta, date::manip is still in use in C4::Search, which circulation.pl is using so ill have to fix taht too to get the speed i want
16:23 chris     ohh the academy of fine art
16:23 chris     i drove past that
16:24 chris     id forward it on to joshua, he might be able to help out, or know someone who can
16:26 kados     pate-lurk: am now
16:28 kados     pate-lurk: I think I'd recommend a hosted solution for those folks
16:29 kados     pate-lurk: our server-farm is in seattle ;-)
16:29 kados     pate-lurk: and it's got a fiber backbone
16:29 kados     pate-lurk: so it's super fast
16:30 pate-lurk well, i cc:ed your info address
16:35 chris     hows the new job treating ya pate? and has your daughter started school?
16:36 si        ohh, pat's in
16:36 si        are yo ukeeping well, pat?
16:41 pate-lurk sorry, had an urgent request
16:41 pate-lurk yeah, the job's treating me well, and eliza's in her second week at the Uni
16:41 pate-lurk hiya si
16:41 chris     excellent
16:42 pate      we adopted a dog (a rescued chocolate lab)
16:42 chris     we need to make a dogs.koha.org :)
16:43 russ      i reckon
16:43 si        nope, they don't care either way :-)
16:43 pate      heh
16:46 rach      steve T had a border collie I recall
16:48 chris     2 for me, 2 for rach and si, 1 for pate, 1 for owen, 1 for russ ... who else
16:49 chris     richard has 1, and he has been doing lots of koha work lately
16:49 chris     mason sorta has one
16:50 russ      angela has been working on the website and she has one
16:53 russ      shaun you there?
16:53 shaun     yep
16:54 russ      ok so on the website things still left to do
16:54 russ      you start :-)
16:54 shaun     from my perspective:
16:54 shaun     # a katipo tech needs to look at cgi-irc and get it pointing at #koha-lobby, and also set up logbot for #koha-lobby
16:55 pate-lurk gotta run ...
16:55 chris     cya pate
16:56 rach      cya
16:56 shaun     # the search box needs to be changed to point at the htdig page, with the right variables, and i will also construct the search results page when i get around to it...
16:56 chris     im doing htdig now
16:56 shaun     # i'd like to see the download page a bit better written
16:57 shaun     chris: great
16:58 russ      # world map - i have an idea that i am going to document - the map idea just isnt working - i think a little directory db like oscommerce has is a better idea something people can search over by country and library type
16:58 russ      i'll spec that over the next week  or so
16:58 shaun     # someone (Irma?) needs to come along and make the general style the same, and check for common errors like greengrocer's apostrophes, very long sentences, links which consume more of the text than they should etc
16:59 shaun     (that last one: writing/prose style)
16:59 shaun     # i need to sort out the breadcrumbs that i broke
17:00 shaun     # the related links box should be filled in with appropriate links, and commented out on pages where there are no related links
17:03 russ      that has been done for the most part shaun
17:04 shaun     russ: there's still a few pages with the original message i left there, they need doing, but otherwise the related links are all good
17:04 russ      can you give me url's
17:04 russ      i thought i just sorted those
17:05 russ      maybe i need to trigger them
17:05 shaun     not tonight (i've got less than 10 minutes left, then bed)
17:06 russ      no worries
17:06 russ      we will do some checking before and after the go live
17:06 shaun     there's then my long-awaited css patch, which should sort the wrapping h2s, the feature row on the homepage, the not-so-nice green links on the homepage and a few other minor things
17:07 shaun     meta tags need to be sorted - i'd imagine you'd be better at that than me but i put in some provisional ones
17:08 shaun     rss feed meta link also needs to point at the aggregator
17:08 shaun     (^ wow, that's a lot of stuff to do)
17:09 russ      well the hope is that is will be a living website
17:09 russ      so i would expect that list to grow
17:09 russ      :-)
17:10 shaun     also, if we could find two more links for the quick links, that would be great - i designed the fourth (now third) row around having the same box size
17:10 russ      ah righto
17:10 russ      i'll sort something there
17:11 shaun     i've been noticing you have put some additional styles in - take the /about-koha/ page, for example
17:13 shaun     in the related pages links, the h2 "Why Koha?", and the bold subheadings
17:13 shaun     is that something you intended or what the html editor has done?
17:13 russ      right no idea on that one - i havent been playing with the styles
17:13 russ      i think there may be a bit of both
17:14 shaun     i'd like to see it all just happily using tags unless it's absolutely necessary to do some inline styling
17:14 shaun     so <strong> instead of font-weight: bold; etc
17:15 rach      that won't be us doing that - but you can use Kea's excellent tattle tale feature to see who's been introducing them and beat them up :-)
17:15 shaun     :-)
17:16 shaun     an easy one - the javascript(s) in the head should be moved into a file and the headers all pointed to that file (just cuts down unnecessary code)
17:16 shaun     the favicon.ico should be replaced with rach's new, slicker logos
17:17 kados     russ: just getting to the website now
17:18 kados     russ: you can add Northland Bible Baptist College to the list of opacs
17:18 kados     russ: libcat.nbbc.edu
17:18 kados     russ: came out nicely I think
17:18 kados     russ: and you can link directly to the Koha intranet http://koha.liblime.com
17:19 chris     http://new.koha.org/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=koha&method=and&format=builtin-long&sort=score&words=chris&submit=Go
17:19 kados     nice!
17:19 kados     search even works ;-)
17:19 kados     our search didn't work for at least a week after launch ;-)
17:20 chris     ohh that did come out nice kados
17:20 shaun     chris: looking good
17:21 kados     russ: let me find nbbc's stats
17:21 chris     i like the icons, and book images
17:23 kados     russ: 55,000 records, 1,100 borrowers,
17:23 shaun     chris: how difficult would it be to touch it up for xhtml 1.0 (i.e. closing tags)?
17:23 chris     dont ask me
17:23 chris     i dont write html
17:23 kados     shaun: before the conference? ;-)
17:24 kados     russ: there's also an official LibLime press release on my appointment as RM: http://liblime.com/c/koha24RM.html
17:24 kados     russ: you getting this? ;-)
17:25 Irma      g'day all
17:26 Irma      Are you about Russel?
17:26 shaun     hi Irma - we've been talking about the site's content
17:27 Irma      sorry for my abscence ...where is the discussion up to?
17:28 shaun     (where has russ gone, anyway?...)
17:28 thd       Irma: I guess it is up to why is thd tardy :)
17:29 shaun     Irma: http://new.koha.org/ - i'll find one of my comments earlier and paste
17:30 shaun     shaun: # someone (Irma?) needs to come along and make the general style the same, and check for common errors like greengrocer's apostrophes, very long sentences, links which consume more of the text than they should etc
17:30 shaun     shaun: (that last one: writing/prose style)
17:31 shaun     sorry guys, i've gotta dash, i'm restricted by my school term times again
17:31 russ      sorry
17:31 russ      other work has come up
17:31 Irma      yep... his is where I can come in.
17:31 thd       Answer, feature list to actually sell Koha on features has taken some time and still two modules to go.
17:31 Irma      Russ can we schedule a time to prepare for the editing/proofreading?
17:32 russ      yep sorry guys - i need 20 mins to deal with a client
17:32 russ      bbs
17:34 Irma      Hi thd...sorry, I don't know your full name...
17:35 thd       Irma: Dukleth
17:36 thd       Irma: It may still be misspelt on the website.
17:38 thd       Irma: Appears mistakenly as Duklef http://new.koha.org/about-koha/koha-team.html
17:42 russ      righto
17:43 Irma      oh yes I can see Thomas...what is the correct spelling? Are you in New Zealand?
17:43 thd       Irma: Dukleth
17:43 russ      i think we are going to need some htdig nosearch tags in the code as well - i'll ask someone to have a look at that
17:43 thd       Irma: I have corrected the source and notified the change.
17:44 Irma      beaut!
17:44 thd       russ: What havoc has htdig been doing?
17:45 chris     just indexes the navigation
17:45 chris     which we dont really want it to
17:45 russ      so it comes up in the search results
17:45 russ      in the descriptions
17:45 russ      not pretty
17:46 thd       Irma: I am in NYC.
17:47 Irma      Russ:  hi... unfortunetly I will  need to be away from my desk for about 3 hours...can I call you...let's say :your time 2:30PM???
17:47 rach      hi irma - thank you so much for your present :-)
17:47 russ      that should be ok
17:47 russ      i will be getting out of a meeting about then
17:47 Irma      thanks Thomas, I love your city.
17:47 kados     site looks great everyone
17:48 kados     http://new.koha.org/about-koha/case-studies/nelsonville.html
17:48 kados     russ: related links not quote what we expect ;-)
17:48 rach      Irma: scan indicates a boy so the clothes should be perfect :-)
17:48 Irma      Isn't it so small, tripple zero! The sweets are for all who have a sweet Nature!/tooth!
17:49 russ      kados: go some ideas there?
17:49 russ      s/go/got
17:49 rach      they are v cute :-)
17:49 kados     agreed ;-)
17:49 kados     russ: not off hand
17:50 kados     russ: but if you tool around on the LibLime Koha pages you might find some interesting news and other related links
17:50 kados     russ: http://liblime.com/koha
17:50 kados     russ: there's a 'Koha in the News' section
17:50 Irma      just looked at the website...positive so far
17:50 russ      would it be appropriate to link to npl home page, liblime, and skemotah from the npl case study?
17:51 kados     russ: suure
17:51 kados     sure even ;-)
17:51 kados     chris: any chance we could have a live chat going ?
17:51 thd       kados: what is the self checkout system that Koha supports?
17:51 kados     thd: web-based ... it'll be included in Koha 3.0
17:52 kados     chris: cgi::irc direct to irc.katipo.co.nz #koha?
17:52 thd       kados: Do you not have it in use already at NPL?
17:52 kados     shaun should probably put together a graphic for that
17:52 kados     thd: yep
17:52 kados     thd: been using it for several months
17:53 chris     yeah if i get time kados
17:53 chris     well not #koha
17:53 thd       kados: So the issue is that the code has not been committed to the current release?
17:53 kados     chris: why now?
17:54 kados     chris: not even
17:54 kados     thd: yes
17:54 chris     dunno, im sure there was a discussion about this already?
17:55 thd       kados: Which manufacturer system does the code support?
17:55 kados     thd: it's web-based
17:55 kados     thd: so IBM for starters ;-)
17:55 chris     im sure there was, and we came up with koha-lobby or are we dreaming?
17:55 chris     we=I
17:56 kados     the idea being that it'd be a salesy channel?
17:56 chris     dont think so
17:56 chris     i cant remember, someone help me out
17:57 chris     i gotta go do some work, but ill be back
17:57 thd       kados: sorry for being so dense, I was basing my question on some ambiguous references in the Koha diary or on the koha-devel list.
17:58 kados     thd: np :-)
18:05 thd       previous discussion between chris and kados had been looking for what kados had proposed as #koha-lobby:
18:05 thd       11/08/05 11:00:35+-5	<kados:#koha>	rach: I'd like to have a koha-lobby
18:05 thd       11/08/05 11:00:45+-5	<rach:#koha>	nice idea
18:06 kados     hehe
18:06 kados     it was my proposal to boot ;-)
18:06 thd       congratulations kados
18:07 thd       kados: you and chris were dreaming the same dream
18:09 thd       kados: when you migrate a library to koha where do you find the status information?
18:11 thd       kados: answer at your leisure.
18:13 russ      thd: your efforts are much appreciated :-)
18:14 thd       russ: You mean the ones you have not seen yet :)
18:15 russ      thd: i have blind faith :-)
18:18 russ      allrighty then - http://www.koha.org/ - few teething problems that we are working through, but they should be sorted soon
18:21 thd       russ: You might reserve a little judgement, I have already written but not yet posted a message explaining why I have done it the way that I have.  Serving multiple purposes, including motivating more serious interest by people in Koha for features that are not obvious with the broken demo.  Yet I think it will by liked after perhaps some modification.  Then, I will go onto adding to the FAQ.
18:32 chris     http://koha.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi
21:55 Irma      g'day again
21:55 russ      hi
21:58 russ      http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/
21:59 russ      http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/tutorial1/screen-large.html
22:07 dean      hi irma
22:08 dean      http://koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz/kaka/index.cgi?path=/about-koha/
22:14 dean      http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/tutorial2/changes.html
00:43 hdl       hi
02:15 osmoze    hello
02:15 osmoze    bonjour paul
02:15 paul      (gros pb de ternet chez moi aujourd'hui...)
02:16 paul      (c'est bien la peine d'avoir nerim et payer + cher pour avoir des déco :-(
02:16 osmoze    je viens de lire tes mails et y a t il eu un fil sur les rss que j ai loupé ou peux tu me dire le fonctionnement (en gros) vis a vis de koha
02:16 osmoze    paul, c est comment a marseille avec l eau N
02:16 osmoze    ?
02:16 osmoze    hdl>  et toi, pas touché ?
02:16 paul      il y en a assez peu, NETTEMENT - qu'hdl
02:16 paul      (qui est à mpl)
02:16 hdl       non pas de façon visible.
02:17 hdl       ... pour les décos.
02:17 hdl       Mais pour l'eau, faut voir...
02:17 hdl       Ce fut un peu le déluge.
02:18 osmoze    et l autoroute est ouverte ?
02:19 hdl       Cet AM ce devrait être praticable.
02:19 hdl       Mais renseigne-toi aux infos aujourd'hui. si tu comptes prendre les départementales.
02:20 osmoze    normalement non, je prendrai ce qui est pratiquable...Mais j aimerai pas prendre la barque ^^
02:23 paul      et hop, deco/reco encore une fois...
08:27 owen      Happy Friday, #koha
08:28 kados     morning owen
08:28 owen      Hey kados.  So you gave up on the mod_perl stuff for now?
08:28 kados     yea ... too much to do before tomorrow
08:28 kados     I'll hack on it next week
08:29 owen      Yeah, I guess tomorrow would be a bad day for Koha to be acting up
08:29 owen      The speed increase certainly makes it worth pursuing
08:29 kados     we've got to move some OPACs today and printers, etc/
08:29 owen      ltsp clients?
08:29 kados     oh ... and did I mention the phone system :-)
08:29 kados     linux terminal server project
08:30 owen      Cool... Didn't realize you were doing that.
08:30 kados     yea ... pretty nice setup too XFCE with Mozilla
08:30 kados     they auto-login and start Firefox
08:31 kados     plus I can troubleshoot them from the server
08:31 kados     I'm also working on getting remote desktop control so staff can work on their desktops while they are on circ
08:31 kados     (when things get slow)
08:41 owen      Wait...I thought things never got slow at Athens!
08:43 hdl       kados : how was your meeting ?
08:48 kados     hdl: very successful
08:48 kados     hdl: they await the success of the Z3950 client but everything else was very smooth
08:48 kados     hdl: thanks!
09:02 hdl       kados : Don't mention it.
10:54 kados     paul and hdl are you around?
10:54 paul      yes (for me)
10:54 hdl       yes.
10:54 kados     great ... I have a quick question
10:54 kados     do you both have CVs that you can send me?
10:54 paul      in french yes.
10:54 kados     CV meaning a 'resume blurb'?
10:55 kados     that's fine ... I can translate ;-)
10:55 kados     I will use them in a proposal to illustrate diversity and expertise of Koha team
10:57 paul      sent
10:58 kados     thanks
11:11 kados     paul: recieved your CV
11:12 kados     hdl: can you send yours? ;-)
11:14 shaun     kados: http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl?look=plain&startdate=2005090910:47:34&enddate=2005090910:57:34&search=Search
11:14 shaun     "shaun should probably put together a graphic for that" -- what should i do?
11:14 kados     shaun: ahh ... for the livechat
11:15 kados     we'll need some kind of graphic signaling folks that they can get on koha-lobby
11:15 kados     thx
11:15 owen      Hey shaun.  The Koha site looks great.  Well done.
11:15 kados     yea ... looks very professional
11:16 kados     nicely done shaun
11:16 shaun     cheers
11:16 paul      yes, very nice.
11:17 paul      except that there is still no bg color in <body>
11:17 paul      so, it's grey for me, not very nice :-(
11:17 shaun     i'm doing a patch asap
11:17 paul      great !
11:18 paul      another note : I can't find a link to the french site.
11:18 paul      should be reintroduced on home page, imho
11:19 shaun     paul: it's in the pay for support page
11:19 kados     paul: agreed ...
11:20 kados     though eventually I think we decided we'd have a bunch of little 'flats' on the top right (or somewhere) signaling different languages
11:20 kados     and we'd have a translated version of the site on koha.org
11:20 paul      I plan to rewrite koha-fr.org to look like koha.org, but not next week ;-)
11:21 kados     :-)
11:21 paul      ok, leaving now, read you on next monday !
11:21 kados     http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkoha.org&langpair=en%7Cfr&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
11:21 kados     not too bad as far as format goes
11:21 shaun     paul: feel free to ask if you need any help porting it, i can send you the static one if you like
11:22 kados     shaun: could you put some 'flags' up in the meantime that link to the google translation pages?
11:22 kados     shaun: and as we get 'real' translations we can change the links?
11:22 shaun     i wouldn't like to use google translate, it's not always accurate, but i'll certainly look at making the flags
11:23 kados     well ... it's better than no translation at all IMO