Time Nick Message 11:59 kados hdl: which is quite impossible in this case 11:58 kados hdl: it only works if staff manually edits the marc record 11:58 kados hdl: so if I have notforloan=>1 = 'checked out' Koha does not know to update this when an item is checked out 11:58 kados hdl: is that notforloan statuses are not updated automatically by Koha 11:57 kados hdl: more important now I think 11:57 kados hdl: and committed the fix 11:57 kados hdl: I recently replied to myself about this 11:57 kados hdl: yes ... paul and I already discussed this and it's now fixed 11:57 hdl But maybe I misunderstood the question. 11:56 hdl IMHO, I think that both notforloan on items and itemtype are needed... in tha way that an item which can be borrowed according to its itemtype may happen not to be borrowable since it is too old, to damaged. 11:55 hdl kados: about your question. 11:52 kados hdl: (I don't know the reason addbiblio loses leaders ... all I know is that it does ;-)) 11:51 hdl I have seen but not read atm 11:51 hdl Maybe because there was no tag so it was quite a difference from MARC::Record. 11:51 kados hdl: have you read my email to koha-devel? 11:51 kados hdl: I have a proposal about statuses 11:49 kados hdl: I'm not sure if breeding scripts may be responsible too 11:49 kados hdl: simply because addbiblio loses leaders 11:49 kados hdl: note that in most koha installation you must 'save' the biblio before going to 'items' ... so adding a new item to a biblio automatically results in losing the leader for that record ... even if it was there to begin with 11:49 hdl Is this a problem of MARC::RECORD or simply because addbiblio loose leaders 11:48 kados hdl: but if they then edit the record with addbiblio it is lost 11:48 kados hdl: so if your client imports records with bulkmarcimport the leader is preserved 11:47 kados hdl: it only works for bulkmarcimport 11:47 hdl What about leader management that paul designed a few weeks ago ? 11:46 kados hdl: leaders cannot be 'auto-generated' they must be hand-crafted by a librarian 11:45 kados so it's a real problem 11:45 kados and in Koha 3.0 we plan to use leaders for some functions 11:44 kados not in Koha 2.2 ... but they will never have valid marc records again ;-) 11:44 hdl is it ? 11:44 hdl For internal use, it is not a problem. 11:43 kados hdl: if they use it they will lose all their leaders 11:43 kados hdl: you should warn your clients not to us Koha's internal cataloging! 11:42 kados hdl: I may try later today but i was sick of it for now ;-) 11:42 kados hdl: and that's where I gave up ;-) 11:42 kados hdl: so I would need to include MARC::Record in processqueue 11:42 kados hdl: I tried that but Net::Z3950 doesn't have a 'as_formated' method 11:41 hdl If you give a try with printing marc records, tell me about it. 11:41 hdl Gosh ! 11:41 kados hdl: it's a big bug 11:41 kados hdl: the leader is lost !! 11:41 kados hdl: but if that record is then edited with addbiblio (say to add a new item) 11:41 kados hdl: in fact, when a record is added with bulkmarcimport the leader is preserved 11:40 kados hdl: so there is data loss when a cataloger uses Koha's internal cataloging 11:40 kados hdl: a bigger problem is that the leader does not appear in addbiblio 11:40 hdl ok. 11:40 kados hdl: in fact, I've given up for today ;-) 11:39 kados hdl: nope 11:39 hdl kados, is you problem solved ? 11:39 hdl bonne soirée. 11:38 paul_away (le pb du netserver, c'est qu'il a un disque IDE, pas bon pour les perfs...) 11:38 paul_away là, away pour de bon 11:38 paul_away on en reparle jeudi si tu veux bien. 11:38 paul_away mmm... je vais y réfléchir. 11:38 hdl En fait, c'est Madame jarroux qui a été gênée dans ses tests par mes déconnexions à cause de l'orage. 11:37 hdl Mais ca a ses risques. 11:37 hdl Ca permettrai de se libérer de ces problèmes de connexion. 11:37 hdl pour les clients. 11:37 hdl Je voulais savoir si l'on pouvait utiliser le netserver avec des bases de tests. 11:36 paul_away still here (but leaving...) 11:36 hdl paul_away, ne pars pas maintenant... 11:36 hdl paul encore dans les parages ? 10:41 kados could that be a problem? 10:41 kados No directory, logging in with HOME=/ 10:41 kados when I first run 'z3950daemon-launch.sh' (as root) I get: 10:36 kados I wonder if I need to do a 'warn' 10:36 kados hmmm ... I added this line but nothing shows up in the log 10:34 hdl then you could know what you receive. 10:34 hdl you can add print $rec->as_formatted; 10:33 hdl line 283 10:33 kados ok ... I'll try it 10:33 hdl in processz3950queue, you could print the marcrecord you get. 10:32 hdl kados : simple idea. 10:31 kados always the problem ;-) we're using two different MARCs ;-) 10:31 kados paul: ip/port/db name for USMARC? 10:31 paul an unimarc one ? 10:30 kados paul: can you or hdl send me a 'known good' Z3950 server config? 10:27 paul (i've seen this once in France, where a server returning UNIMARC wanted a type=usmarc even !) 10:27 paul (like returning an empty string if you don't specify the format you want as they expect) 10:26 paul (because sometimes, z3950 servers have strange behaviours) 10:26 paul did you try with loc ? 10:26 paul so we should investigate to understand why it does not work for you ;-) 10:26 paul kados : almost all my libraries uses it. 10:22 kados paul: so I assume none of your libraries use this feature? 10:22 kados switched to default for nbbc and I get same error as with NPL 10:18 owen It doesn't seem to be working on NPL's test server, even in the default template 10:17 kados paul: and nothing in marc_breeding 10:17 kados paul: same problem 10:17 kados ok done ... I'll retest 10:16 paul yes 10:16 kados paul: marc_breeding? 10:15 paul (it's a "delete from breeding", not a Koha feature) 10:15 kados paul: done even 10:15 kados paul: how is it doen? 10:15 kados paul: didn't know I needed to 10:15 paul (the one that contains the reservoir) 10:14 paul did you empty the breeding table ? 10:14 kados paul: exactly 10:14 kados owen: well ... on nbbc production 10:14 paul the log shows results, and the window says "no results" 10:14 owen Where are you testing? 10:14 paul I think it's exactly the problem we had with z3950 client on results "disappearing". 10:14 kados have you ever gotten z3950 search results to display with NPL templates? 10:13 owen Sorry...wasn't following. 10:13 kados owen: what do you think? 10:13 kados I wonder if it could be a template problem 10:13 kados Nothing found 10:13 kados Z3950 Search Results 10:13 kados but the user sees: 10:13 kados 21517/19 : melvyl.cdlib.org:210 search done. 10:13 kados 21517/19 : MELVYL : 1 records found, retrieving them (max 80) 10:13 kados 21517/19 : connected to MELVYL 10:13 kados 21517/19 : creating and 21517/19 : working on results entry 23 10:12 kados 21517/19 : 2 >> 10:12 kados 21517/19 : Processing isbn=0380788624 at MELVYL melvyl.cdlib.org:210 CDL90 USMARC (2 forks) 10:12 kados paul: here is the log entries: 10:10 kados but the log shows results 10:10 kados yes 10:10 paul whatever you search, you get an empty result ? 10:09 kados so I search by 0060512806 10:09 paul (under certain circumstances) 10:09 kados I can't see it but when I do a Z3950 search using the ISBN I get a result in the log 10:09 paul (because i think there might be a bug if no isbn) 10:09 paul is there an isbn is the retrieved record ? 10:09 kados paul: in catalog or in resevoir 10:08 kados paul: nothing found using the ISBN 10:07 paul (because the check uses primarily the isbn) 10:06 kados no ... I will do so now 10:06 paul did you also check the ISBN ? 10:06 kados I have checked several times ;-) 10:06 paul so my question : 10:06 kados but it does not exist ;-) 10:06 paul that's why we think it may be a "discarded because it exist" 10:06 kados but they are not visable to the user 10:05 kados the log shows that it has found some results 10:05 kados searching by title 10:05 paul mmm... isbn checked ? 10:05 kados and the record does not exist in the resevoir 10:04 kados the library does not own this title 10:04 kados in this case, I'm searching for a title called 'cryptonomicon' 10:04 kados hmmm 10:04 paul does this help ? 10:04 paul that's why, for example, you can't do a "loop" with koha z3950 client querying koha z3950 server 10:03 paul when a MARC record is retrieved, if it is already in the DB, it's discarded 10:03 paul kados, i'm here 10:01 kados paul: do you have any comments? 10:01 kados unless I'm not understanding what z3950/search.pl is supposed to do 10:00 kados so a cataloger cannot add them to resevoir 10:00 kados but ... for some reason, it's not listing them 09:59 kados well ... the log shows that Koha's Z3950 client is finding records 09:59 hdl I can provide you with a testZ3950.pl file 09:59 hdl Maybe you could try with external tools. 09:58 kados also, the titles are not in the resevoir 09:57 kados I've tried several titles that are not in the catalog 09:57 kados well in this case, it's definitely not ;-) 09:56 hdl I have had problems with this. But paul stated that was because it was already in base. 09:53 kados hdl: any ideas? 09:51 kados 21222/16 : melvyl.cdlib.org:210 search done. 09:51 kados 21222/16 : MELVYL : melvyl.cdlib.org:210 records retrieved 2 SPEED: 2 09:51 kados 21222/16 : MELVYL : 2 records found, retrieving them (max 80) 09:51 kados hdl: here's the last entries in log: 09:51 kados hdl: title search 09:51 hdl or author search ? 09:50 hdl Did you try ISBN search ? 09:50 hdl AHA!!! 09:50 kados hdl: I'm not searching for an already existing biblio in this case 09:49 hdl if you search for biblio you already have, doesnot say anithing, but answers no results. 09:49 kados hdl: ok ... that seems to have fixed that specific bug ... but I still get 'no results found' when in the log there are results 09:48 kados hdl: ok ... I'll test it 09:47 hdl replace the second 0 with "" for instance. 09:47 hdl refresh => ($numberpending eq 0 ? 0 : "search.pl?bibid=$bibid&random=$random"), 09:46 hdl kados : line 103 in search.pl file in z3950 directory 09:42 hdl In fact, you have to change the return value of a function which sometimes return a string and sometimes an int. 09:41 hdl yes. 09:39 kados is there a solution? 09:39 hdl known problem. 09:39 hdl Yes... 09:39 kados [Tue Sep 06 08:36:54 2005] [error] [client 66.213.78.2] script not found or unable to stat: /home/nbbc/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/z3950/0 09:39 kados hdl: but I get an error in the other log: 09:39 kados hdl: I run a query, it finds a result (I can tell from the log) 09:39 kados hdl: I'm having a strange problem with the cataloging Z39.50 client in Koha 09:38 kados hdl: hi there 07:49 paul j'ai pris un onduleur basique, pour 1PC 300W + écran + 1 prise régulée (pour mon bon vieux speedtouch home) 07:48 paul mmm... je ne me souviens plus de ce que j'ai acheté. 07:48 hdl Il en faut un de 750 VA Non ? 07:48 hdl Je vais voir. 07:47 hdl En tout cas, pas par rapport à la machine. 07:47 paul (c'est sérieux) 07:47 paul bon, allez, je t'ouvre un crédit pour acheter un onduleur 07:47 paul c'est pas très cher et quand même bien rassurant... 07:47 hdl Dieu merci, rien de grave. 07:46 hdl Pendant que j'arrêtais ma machine, un gros pétard a éclaté bien prêt. 07:46 hdl J'ai failli. 07:46 osmoze pas touché hdl ? J ai regardé les infos a midi, c est pas beau vers chez toi 07:43 hdl Saleté d'orages... 07:20 kados /ni/nick kados 05:11 chris laurels dad has been making dvd's of everything 05:10 chris i could bore you with the dvd of the wedding too :-) 05:09 si now we're talking 05:09 si ohh, there's video? 05:09 chris slow learner obviously 05:09 chris i used to do them on the back porch and get the it stuck between the slats and trip on them 05:09 chris ill have to show you the video some time we converted it from my grandmas super8 camera thing 05:09 si really 05:08 chris rules=rulers 05:08 chris yep 05:08 si when you pinch players from all over the souther hemisphere 05:07 chris ill have to wait till the next big test to see :) 05:07 si as you do 05:07 chris i think they even slipped a couple of samoan and fijian actions into it 04:58 chris has the translation of both of them 04:58 chris http://www.nzallblacks.net/haka.asp 04:56 chris yep ill find it for you 04:56 chris my brother in laws cousin wrote the new one 04:55 chris yeah the new one is can only really be done in nz, its about how this is their land 04:55 si it is hard to make up a truly unique dance move, though 04:54 chris the new one is new words, but the actions are a mish mash of other hakas 04:54 si the new one just says "heads up, this is going to hurt" as far as I can tell 04:54 si the old one, that is 04:53 chris thats right 04:53 si paul: the haka actually describes his joy at surviving an invasion from his enemies by hiding in a kumara pit, if my memory serves 04:52 chris he was certainly smart 04:52 si and he did build a stunning church 04:52 si it's all a matter of perspective 04:51 si paul: lest you get the wrong idea, he was a local hero in the area I grew up 04:48 chris it predates the all blacks .. and in fact predates new zealand :-) 04:45 chris its about a man called Te Rauparaha who was a particularly ruthless and bloodthirsty man 04:44 chris the old all black haka is not about the all blacks or rugby at all paul 04:44 chris yeah, everyone from kapiti south ;) 04:44 si he was pretty unselective about who he killed 04:43 si not just yor relations, mind 04:43 chris (the old haka that is) 04:43 chris plus its about a man who was responsible for the death of a lot of my relations 04:43 si so you can be sure that the rugby union will be keeping very close tabs on the new haka 04:42 si paul: one suggestion is that the old haka isn't copywritable, since it's in the public domain (being over 100 years old) 04:42 chris they will only ever do that haka in new zealand 04:42 chris yep 04:42 paul some things that may look common for kiwis can be really strange for strangers 04:41 paul but all blacks are world-wide famous, so they should be carefull. imho 04:41 si well indeed, throat slitting is pretty commonplace in schoolboy haka 04:40 chris throat slitting is pretty tame 04:40 paul in france, many ppl where really angry with it. 04:40 chris who obviously had never seen a real haka before 04:40 paul the noise was about the throat slitting. 04:40 si which did suprise a few folks 04:40 chris they are keeping both, and using the new one on special occassions 04:40 si other than the throat slitting 04:39 chris yes, it was a suprise to us, but everyone really liked it 04:39 chris did you like it paul? 04:38 paul because in France it did ! 04:38 paul did the last Aka from all blacks make noise in NZ ? 04:38 paul chris : some minuts to speak of rugby ? 04:26 paul yes, of course. 04:26 shaun it won't be long... i take it you saw the design? 04:20 paul I saw the link, I was looking for something without .htaccess restriction ;-) 04:19 shaun yep, koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz, but unfortunately it's currently restricted to content editors 04:19 shaun paul: hi 04:18 paul is there a private url to see the future website ? 04:17 paul ih shaun 03:53 paul_away oups, alt-F4 par erreur 03:52 osmoze ok 03:52 paul il y a eu 2 annonces. 03:52 paul pas de diff ou de patch. 03:52 paul j'annonce sur la liste les bugs bloquants/critiques avec leur fix. 03:52 paul tu veux dire sources publiques ? 03:51 osmoze paul, comment cela marche pour les correction avant la 2.2.4 ? Il y a une mise a jour des sources avec les correction petit a petit pour la 2.2.3 ou pas ? 03:26 osmoze -er +ais 03:26 osmoze je retrouver en retrouvant les erreurs :) 03:17 hdl Rafraîchis ma mémoire. 03:17 hdl très vaguement. 03:17 paul salut jseb 03:17 osmoze bonjour paul :) 03:16 osmoze hdl> te souviens tu d un fichier sur les bilans me semble t il que tu m avais modifier en partie et qu il fallait que je continu suivant ton modele ? 03:13 hdl hello 02:12 osmoze hello 17:58 thd kados: perhaps the Argentines were trying to build codes that worked like ISBNs with a country code prefix. 17:55 thd kados: ISBNs have county built into the code, but the country prefix is expected to be part of the 10 digit and soon to be 13 digit code. 17:51 thd kados: When I have written barcode generation routines, I used code 39. No error checking, but much easier to implement. The encoded '*' is the start and stop character, '*BARCODENUMBER*'. Code 128 is a much more compact symbology and better in every way except ease of programming. 17:45 thd kados: my suggestion is that the Argentines are either using a different type or differently configured scanner from yours or Koha is missing a routine a custom routine to parse the input from the scanner. 17:42 thd kados: unless of course the scanner internal software is expected to strip everything out except your barcode. Not all barcode scanners have the programming logic for that in the scanner. Some expect the application program to supply the logic. 17:40 kados thd: not sure yet 17:40 thd kados: what is the purpose of the country code? 17:40 kados thd: I should re-read it 17:40 kados thd: I didn't get that from your email at all 17:40 kados thd: really? 17:39 thd kados: The suggestion from my message is that Koha is missing some of the code to use their barcode generation code correctly. 17:39 kados thd: with more on the way ;-) 17:38 kados thd: I already committed one fix 17:38 kados thd: naw ... I'm reading the code ;-) 17:37 thd kados: have you enquired with the Argentines about barcode generation? 17:36 thd a tessellating chocolate fish :) 17:34 kados hehe ... now I think I remember chris mentioning it at some point 17:34 kados :-) 17:34 russ marshmallow fish with with a little bit of caramel coated in a thin layer of chocolate 17:33 russ something that often gets given out a small reward for doing something 17:33 russ http://www.silverfernz.com/prodView.asp?idProduct=388 - it is a kiwi thing 17:32 kados but it's probably got something to do with being late getting something done ;-) 17:31 kados no ;-) 17:28 russ great 17:23 kados russ: I've got 'history' about 50% done as well 17:17 russ doing an email now 17:17 russ hi guys - content status report - http://www.russandsarah.gen.nz/kohawebredev/content-status-good.html 17:16 rach for all it's faults at least we know how kea works, and how to tweak it if necessary 17:15 rach so we (katipo) still want to give it a go, but we want a website up more :-) 17:15 thd rach: needing Java is a big strike from the start. 17:14 rach it needed java to run and the good volunteers didn't have time/energy to learn how to use it 17:11 thd russ: my email had asked about why Open CMS was dropped. I did have some understanding of why Mambo had been dropped which was your reply. Why was Open CMS dropped after all the trouble installing it? 17:08 thd kados: are you still there? 17:01 thd russ: aspell or ispell spell checking does not fix everything, like my dropped words or poor word order. Occasionally, it makes things much worse when I select the wrong misspelling suggested correction. 16:57 thd kados: I would like to have the MARC schema supporting every field indicator and subfield so that I could use it with confidence. Single record importing with breeding.pl is more natural than using bulkmarcimport.pl . 16:55 russ :-) now that is a good idea 16:51 thd russ: I never type correctly. I now have a spell check plug-in for X-Chat at home. 16:49 thd kados: I mistrust the import scripts aside from bulkmarcimport.pl. The others only import the what is included in the MARC schema. Paul considers that a feature, as may well be. However I mistrust the schema as well. I am rewriting the Z39.50 client to use bulkmarkimport.pl and bypass everything else. 16:49 russ typing requires at least 2 coffees 16:49 russ sorry only one coffee so far this morning 16:43 kados thd: s/cna/can/ ;-) 16:43 kados thd: but the leader doesn't show up 16:43 thd russ: 'cna'? 16:43 kados thd: every other field seems to be fine 16:43 kados thd: maybe ... but it could also be a problem when breeding.pl imports the file right? 16:40 thd kados: you meant the version of addbiblo with 'leader management' 16:40 russ cool guys - i'll finish this, and maybe we cna get a chance to discuss in a little while 16:39 kados I wonder if paul forgot 16:39 thd russ: I have been devoting several hours each day since Saturday to writing and becoming familiar with some features that I had never looked at closely in Koha. 16:39 kados I don't see any commits related to leader for breeding.pl 16:37 kados thd: I'll check breeding.pl 16:36 kados thd: right ... from what I can tell I've got the version of addbiblio that has record management 16:36 thd kados: the leader question: You will not have a leader for records imported before the fix where the leader had been stripped off. 16:35 kados russ: great ... sorry I've been behind in writing 16:35 russ hi thd and kados - i am just preparing a summary of where we are at with the content, you should have it in your inbox within the hour 16:31 kados cool you've got a client 16:31 thd kados: I will have October to actually implement it but I need to know enough to specify the lowest possible price in advance. 16:30 thd kados: I do need to have it all working with a very low price for a bookshop client by the 22 September. 16:28 thd kados: I had been working on rewriting the Z39.50 client so I have not experimented with bulkmarkimport stage recently. 16:27 kados thought you would have had an essay on it by now ;-) 16:27 kados ahh 16:26 kados thd: (leader doesn't seem to be working for me when I use addbiblio.pl and items that have previously been imported into the resevoir 16:26 thd kados: I assume that you would know better than I as I never installed the leader fix, yet :) 16:26 kados thd: also, are there any 'gotchas' for resevoir-imported records that you know of (asside from the normal ones that also apply to bulkmarcimport) 16:25 kados thd: do you know if the leader is working for resivoir-imported records? 16:25 thd kados: you had asked for me earlier. What had you wanted? 16:23 thd hello kados 16:22 kados thd: hi 16:21 thd kados: I am paying attention now :) 16:03 rach bonjour 13:55 kados thd: you around? 13:55 kados hdl: you around?