Time  Nick    Message
11:59 owen    Thanks!
11:59 shaun   not at all, i'm sending all the files now
11:58 owen    Could you send both?  I have Freehand 10, but I'm not sure about backwards-compatibility.  Or would that be too much to send?
11:57 shaun   i have eps and freehand 11 for original formats
11:56 owen    I'd love it if you could email it to me when you get a free moment.
11:55 shaun   yep, i'll dig it out for you
11:55 shaun   (in between piano concerti and eating)
11:55 owen    shaun, did rach give you copies of the Koha logo in some kind of original format?
11:55 shaun   owen: yep
11:48 owen    shaun, are you around?
11:01 kados   yea
11:01 owen    That's the requirement, isn't it?  The ancient one?
11:01 kados   guess I'll have to copy it over ...
11:01 kados   yea ... cause it's got that ancient version of PDF::API2
11:00 owen    It was working okay on 101 yesterday.  That's where I was working on it yesterday
11:00 kados   that looks familiar
11:00 kados   NBBC
10:59 kados   Can't locate PDF/API2/PDF/Utils.pm
10:59 owen    Which server?
10:59 kados   I get an 500 error on the barcodes/printerConfig screen
10:58 kados   yea :-)
10:58 owen    You've even got a desk!
10:58 owen    I stopped by to see your new server room this morning
10:58 kados   I'm just looking at this barcode printing problem
10:58 owen    Hi
10:58 kados   morning owen
02:57 paul    (cela dit, on a une fois encore vu les effets du commercial : AMI, c'était un peu survendu par Go Alb ert finalement ;-)
02:56 paul    oui, c'est un peu parti en live à un moment, mais ca concernait go albert et SQLI, donc j'ai compté les points ;-)
02:56 paul    (bref, conforme au plan de route...)
02:56 hdl     Les réunions se sont bien passées ?
02:56 paul    contrat signé avec SQLI et facturation des SFD dès que j'ai reçu le BdC officiel ;-)
02:56 hdl     wow.
02:55 paul    oui, validation des SFD la semaine prochaine.
02:55 paul    (pour l'Inrets)
02:55 paul    j'avais oublié de te dire que j'étais à Paris hier
02:55 hdl     Ca va ?
02:55 hdl     salut paul.
02:55 paul    salut hdl
02:11 VivekVC I am preparing an indianised doc of koha for my employer.
01:47 osmoze  hello too
01:45 VivekVC Hello
01:36 VivekVC Sylvain: Hello :)
01:36 VivekVC indradg: Hello
00:52 thd-    Good evening chris
00:51 thd-    chris: The OED is at least now meant to be a descriptive as opposed to prescriptive dictionary.
00:51 chris   cya later thd
00:51 chris   right tis 5.51pm on a friday, time for me to finish work I feel
00:49 chris   phrase searching on google is a wonderful thing :)
00:49 thd-    chris: The OED project intends to record all English not just the home counties.
00:48 chris   looks like they use it in the uk as well
00:48 chris
00:48 chris   oxfords a long way away from new zealand :-)
00:48 chris   oh we dont have to follow the OED down here
00:47 chris
00:47 thd-    chris: I will have to consult the OED, 2nd ed. when I have a chance.
00:47 chris   the australians seem to use it also :-)
00:47 chris    Finance was well placed to action these changes in a timely manner. Prior to the Prime Minister's announcement on 23 November 2001
00:47 chris   no idea
00:46 thd-    chirs: How old is this usage?
00:46 chris   im fairly certain ive had it print form from places like banks offering me things
00:45 thd-    chris: Does it appear in print as well or more usually in the spoken form?
00:44 chris   to action this change you will need to reply to this email
00:44 chris   yep
00:44 thd-    chris: Really, that is a common convention?
00:43 chris   we say that in new zealand english
00:43 chris   ah right
00:43 thd-    chris: "to action"
00:43 thd-    chris: yes, I guess the use of action as a verb had confused me.
00:42 chris   only certain people have the permissions to trigger also
00:42 chris   no changes you make on the edit site (including deletes) will be made on the live site, until you trigger those changes live
00:41 chris   http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/tutorial1/edit.html
00:41 chris   right youve read this eh?
00:40 thd-    chris: I noticed but did not comment on the typo.  That I understood.  The previous sentence is unclear.
00:39 chris   fixed
00:37 chris   on = an
00:37 chris   moving a file will create a modified file in the new location, and an untriggered delete in the old location
00:37 chris   it should be
00:37 chris   ahh no a typo
00:37 chris   hmmm i suspect a bad cut and paste
00:35 thd-    from http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/tutorial1/colours.html
00:34 thd-    I find this expanation confusing, "Orange (with text struck through) 	untriggered delete: The file has been deleted from the edit site but not from the live site. File needs to be triggered to action delete. (Moving a file will create a modified file in the new location, and on untriggered delete in the old location)"
00:29 thd-    chris: One can be innovative with HTML without breaking compatibility.  It just requires care and learning to use the oldest instead of the newest HTML tags.
00:23 thd-    chis: HTML is usually easier to debug.  Perl is certaily more fun to create.  HTML is a merely a markup language.  Doing innovative things in a markup language only breaks compatibility.
00:17 russ    thd any questions about kea drop me an email
00:14 russ    http://www.russandsarah.gen.nz/kohawebredev/kea.html
00:14 russ    there are some details on kea and references on where to go for howto's here
00:13 russ    thd just msg your your login details
00:13 chris   if i learn it, someone will ask me to write it :-)
00:12 thd-    chris: You learn that much extra Perl instead of HTML? :)
00:11 russ    two secs thd
00:10 chris   but then i purposely avoid learning html, so my opinion doesnt count for much
00:10 chris   very weird, there seems nothing tricky in the html
00:09 thd-    chris: http://www.katipo.co.nz/images/content/kea-overview.gif displayed in Opera.
00:08 thd-    russ: koha@agogme.com
00:08 thd-    I am not back home yet but I am editing some content at a friends place now.
00:07 russ    i just need your email address
00:07 russ    i can give you a login to the cms if you are ready to upload it
00:07 thd-    s/pages/regions
00:07 russ    thd - how are you going with the content you are down to write?
00:06 chris   which all looks pretty standard to me
00:06 chris   cos <img height="166" alt="Kea Overview" src="/images/content/kea-overview.gif" border="0" width="400" /> is hte code
00:05 thd-    russ: I see the image areas as blank pages.
00:05 chris   http://www.katipo.co.nz/images/content/kea-overview.gif that work for you thd ?
00:05 russ    that is an old page that would have been created pre the new editor
00:04 russ    weird
00:04 thd-    russ: Not in Opera
00:04 russ    hmm
00:04 russ    those images are there
00:04 russ    hmm that is weird
00:04 russ    hi thd
00:04 thd-    hello russ
23:58 thd-    genji: Do you see images on http://www.katipo.co.nz/solutions/contentmanagement/ ?
23:56 thd-    genji: links seem to be relative in both the Kea tutorial and http://www.katipo.co.nz/solutions/contentmanagement/ .  No meta element for base URL is present in either case.  Yet, the images work in Opera for the tutorial only.
23:41 thd-    genji: I imagined that I may have found a general problem but there appears to be no problem on the tutorial pages. I have not checked whether the images are absolute or relative on the tutorial pages.
23:40 genji   ahh. so, what your really asking, is if a Katipo site Kea editor could fix it, eh?
23:39 thd-    genji: maybe just an unusual case of something broken.  There is no base url set in a meta tag so as I am using Opera from someone elses computer I see no images on that page from the relative image links.
23:38 genji   you see no images at all?
23:37 thd-    genji: I had noticed soemthing odd at http://www.katipo.co.nz/solutions/contentmanagement/ where I find no images.
23:34 genji   thd-?
23:34 genji   Ya, I know Kea. What do you need?
23:25 thd-    Are any Kea people present?
22:01 russ    catch you later
22:01 kados   ok ... I'm exhausted ... gotta get some sleep
21:54 kados   I love it
21:53 russ    how is kea going for you so far?
21:53 russ    cool
21:52 kados   russ: well ... some stuff is up there now
21:45 kados   k
21:43 russ    i think that is a good idea
21:43 russ    so make a folder for it, index page with general team makeup and then sep pages for bios
21:42 russ    no
21:42 kados   but that page prolly shouldn't have bios on it
21:42 kados   yea ... working on that right now ...
21:42 russ    if we are going to have multiple pages i think an intro page that has some information about the make up of the koha team would be a good idea
21:41 russ    kaitiaki, 3.0 release manager, 2.2. release maintainer and who else?
21:40 russ    how many bios?
21:35 kados   russ: I'm thinking a new page for each bio or one new page for all the bios
21:35 kados   russ: should the 'koha team' bios be a new level or should they be on the same page?
21:33 kados   russ: right
21:33 russ    but i think 1 page should cover it for now
21:33 russ    then we will need regional pages
21:33 russ    ideally if we get a bunch of companies offering support
21:27 kados   definitely!
21:08 russ    but i think we should have a seperate page explaining how the whole free support thing works
21:08 russ    kados - i dont have a problem with the main support page being the pay for support
21:01 russ    sorry just on the phone
20:51 kados   yep
20:51 chris   when often the reverse is true
20:51 kados   heh ... yea
20:51 chris   if someone does it for free, it must suck
20:51 chris   yeah, its a sad but true attitude
20:51 kados   it's a strange thing to observe
20:50 kados   yea
20:50 kados   two, I think libraries (at least in the US) are skeptical of 'purely volunteeer' stuff
20:50 chris   ppl still freak out at free stuff
20:50 kados   one, it's good for those of us trying to support Koha (advertising)
20:49 kados   I think that's a good approch for two reasons
20:49 chris   yep as long as we have all the links to free stuff thats good
20:49 kados   with plenty of links to 'free' options as well
20:49 kados   anyway, my thought is simply that maybe the 'main' focus be on getting commercial support
20:49 chris   arsenberger perhaps
20:49 chris   i forget his last name, started with a also
20:48 kados   andrew?
20:48 chris   andrew wrote that, with no financial gain
20:48 kados   well ... how sustainable is that chris? ;-)
20:48 chris   plus the whole C4::Context module
20:47 kados   yea ... that's true
20:47 kados   hehe
20:46 chris   theres gotta be at least 200hrs of volunteer labour in there from me
20:46 kados   really?
20:46 kados   all the major features and most of the minor features have come from paying developers
20:46 chris   hmm dunno about that
20:46 kados   we dont' have a large enough user base
20:46 kados   it's just a historical fact for this project
20:46 kados   Koha features never change through 'volunteer' efforts ;-)
20:45 kados   based on the history here
20:45 kados   right ... well here's what I'm thinking
20:45 kados   hmmm
20:45 russ    i am picking the community is still keen to offer some level of "free" support?
20:44 russ    and then have the other option with the companies
20:44 russ    you are asking - so be nice type of thing
20:44 russ    we could give some pointers along the lines of - these are volunteers
20:44 russ    and then on the free support page
20:44 russ    and that the support page would advertise the 2 options
20:44 russ    is that we should push the whole it is your choice
20:43 russ    what i was thinking
20:43 kados   what do you think?
20:43 kados   since this site is really a marketing site for admins, etc.
20:43 kados   with links to 'other support' for IRC, lists etc.
20:43 kados   russ: I'm thinking we should have that be the main support page
20:43 russ    sure
20:42 kados   russ: for the pay for support site ... I want to run something by you
20:42 kados   yea ... that rocks
20:42 chris   it doesnt (in fact shouldnt) run on the same box as the live site
20:42 chris   which is the feature i like best about kea
20:41 kados   wow ...
20:41 russ    http://koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz/support/pay.html
20:41 russ    but you can preview the edit site
20:41 kados   ahh
20:41 chris   which is on a whole different machine
20:41 chris   and then it will show up at the live site
20:41 russ    i am picking that nothing on the site has been triggered yet
20:41 chris   you have just notified that you want it triggered
20:41 russ    no not untill i action the trigger
20:41 chris   nope it wont be live until someone triggers it
20:41 kados   or am I just seeing the edit screen again ;-)
20:40 kados   or did it ... is it live now?
20:40 kados   nice ... it worked
20:40 russ    so yep that is all good
20:40 kados   cool
20:40 russ    just got that email
20:40 russ    To trigger the file please follow this link:
20:40 russ    	http://koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz/about-koha/awards.html
20:40 russ    jmf@liblime.com has edited the following file and requests that it be triggered to the live site:
20:39 kados   russ: k ... I think it worked
20:38 russ    kados try the notify now
20:38 kados   nevermind ... I see the 'index.html' in awards dir
20:38 kados   ok new question
20:37 kados   I tried that with 'awards.html'
20:37 russ    yep 2 secs
20:37 russ    ah right
20:37 kados   russ: s/no/o/
20:37 kados   russ: o users were found with trigger rights over this file.
20:36 russ    the lhs side nav shows you all the pages in the folder plus the index page of any sub folder
20:35 russ    cool
20:35 kados   I got it now ... this is really sweet
20:35 kados   yea
20:35 kados   ahh
20:35 russ    are you logged into the edit site at the moment?
20:35 russ    it will add that page to the side navigation
20:35 russ    when you make a new page
20:34 russ    no - kea will make those links for you
20:34 kados   am I also expected to include links to the next level of content?
20:34 russ    what kind of other content do you want to add?
20:34 kados   looks like right now all the content I can add is just text
20:34 kados   well ... not sure really
20:33 russ    what do you want to do?
20:33 russ    ?
20:33 kados   or a column for the third level?
20:33 kados   do we have plans to have second-level navigation?
20:33 russ    yep
20:32 kados   for the 'support' page for instance
20:32 russ    actually that remind me
20:32 kados   now ... I'm a bit confused about navigation
20:32 russ    kados you have notify
20:32 kados   k ... thanks
20:32 kados   then to rach for final approval
20:32 chris   and then they can read it and trigger it live
20:32 kados   to irma i suppose ... our editor
20:32 chris   to ppl with trigger rights
20:32 chris   which sends an email
20:32 kados   k
20:31 chris   you can notify
20:31 chris   ahh there you go
20:31 kados   i see notify, move, rename, copy delete
20:31 chris   Action on checked files:
20:31 kados   I really like Kea btw .... nice job
20:31 chris   on the bottom of the page
20:31 kados   ahh ... maybe I don't then ...
20:31 chris   it will depend if you have rights too kados
20:31 chris   ah luckily ive just set up triggering
20:30 kados   how do I publish something when I've uploaded it?
20:30 kados   hey russ
20:30 russ    hi kados
20:30 kados   chris got a sec?
19:37 Irma    and paid?      yep..I'll better get on with it...sorry...talk another time again. Bye.
19:37 genji   Could of took that money and shoved it into Koha, for much better.
19:36 genji   Hey, just this year, Palmerston North Library upgraded from Dynix to another more guied, prettier and fuller featured Dynix product.
19:35 genji   yup. Eager to see NZ schools using koha, instead of forking out for Dynix or whatever they use.
19:35 Irma    ciao genji...this Koha for government schools makes so much sense to me seeing librarians are naturals at networking/sharing stretching the dollar...but a mind shift takes time...so let's wait and see.
19:33 chris   cool
19:33 Irma    enjoy the w/e and will try to catch Russel after the staff meeting in the late afternoon
19:32 chris   have a good weekend, ill let russ know about the proof reading
19:32 Irma    can't chat long next job is lurking impatiantlly around the desktop already...
19:32 chris   cool
19:31 Irma    the email from the librarian in Alaska was timely...could not get hold of Steve in BC but Steven in Ohio found some links I could insert into the report...
19:30 genji   Sweet! well done Irma!
19:30 Irma    I made a visible Koha presence in the argument
19:30 chris   ahh cool irma
19:29 genji   All of them, in ACT?
19:29 genji   hmmm? aussie highschools could be taking up Koha?
19:28 Irma    hence could not join in the IRC meeting yesterday...suddenly needed to expand on some aspects...all is ok again and ready for the website proofreading/editing this weekend
19:27 Irma    crazy pace but well....have just about finalized with Brenda Mc Conchie the research task for the ACT Department of Education ...looking at ILS for their highschools
19:24 chris   how bout urself?
19:23 chris   yep, looking forward to the weekend and catching up on some sleep :)
19:23 Irma    Hi Chris U r OK?
19:22 chris   hes just at lunch irma
19:22 Irma    G'day all...is Russel about?
16:50 shaun   s/compliant/compliance
16:49 shaun   i will do a run through before it goes live to make sure it's all good for WCAG and compliant
16:48 russ    if i dont get content by wednesday, i will just start plugging in the old stuff
16:48 russ    i mean content this weekend
16:48 russ    so that we can go live by the end of next week
16:47 russ    id like to get the content this week
16:46 shaun   russ: have we got a deadline for the site?
16:46 shaun   i'm off too (getting tired)
16:45 meushi  and thanks for the help owen :)
16:45 meushi  gnite
16:38 russ    kados you around?
16:35 russ    yeah i am not sure how easy that is to change with htdig
16:34 shaun   that's all good, although <b> should be done in css
16:33 russ    oh right go to the home page of koha.org and search on something
16:33 shaun   Unable to read configuration file
16:33 shaun   htsearch detected an error. Please report this to the webmaster of this site. The error message is:
16:32 shaun   ht://Dig error
16:32 shaun   yeah, that's why i was asking - i planned on using <dl> for the search results
16:32 russ    http://www.koha.org/cgi-bin/htsearch
16:31 russ    do you want to do a layout for the search results page?
16:30 russ    we'll use htdig (is what we normally use)
16:29 russ    but i will get someone to set it up for the live site
16:29 russ    and the search wont work on the edit site
16:29 russ    one of the lads will install the news module todya
16:28 russ    oh yep
16:28 shaun   russ: i take it you've got a plan for getting the search and news running?
16:14 rach    they all run multiple sites
16:14 russ    for the purposes of this discussion one kea per server
16:13 russ    we actually have about 4 kea servers, but that is a long story
16:13 rach    so one kea per server - and we have a nice place to go set up new sites, and new users, and join you up to different sites
16:12 rach    that does all the sites
16:12 rach    nope - one big kea server
16:11 shaun   do you have one kea install per server or per site?
16:11 chris   and now i have to go to a drs appt
16:11 chris   but as i said, im not doing it on the live kea server :-)
16:11 chris   just have to write the code to do it
16:11 chris   yep of course
16:11 shaun   there has to be - although it may take some configurating, you should be able to get the same thing as in the navigation, methinks
16:10 chris   so it wont be going live without rigourous testing .. ie probably not before the site is finished :-)
16:10 chris   but we have about 100 sites now
16:10 chris   i could whack up some code
16:10 rach    breadcrumbs were done first in the coding of kea - a few years before the short names
16:09 russ    i'll ask but i don't think so
16:08 shaun   is there no code that will make the breadcrumbs run off the short name rather than the page title?
16:08 russ    we have a new skin for the file manager interface coming - which should make it a bit better looking
16:07 russ    that may happen soon
16:07 shaun   (would be an awesome open source cms, i reckon)
16:06 owen    That's why they won't release it ;)
16:06 russ    sorry - all the katipods are aware kea is not perfect
16:05 shaun   so i'll have to unbreak them and just go with the section title then :-(
16:05 chris   yep
16:04 russ    they run solely off the page title
16:04 russ    but the bread crumbs would break
16:04 russ    it would be ok for the navigation - cos we can overide the defualt title with a "short name"
16:03 shaun   i've noticed a problem - is there any way we can get the title style "Koha | About > FAQ" style rather than just "FAQ" without messing up the breadcrumbs and auto navigation?
16:03 shaun   hmm, i'm sure the latest version does xhtml 1.0
16:02 russ    i am not sure what kind of html it generates
16:01 russ    cool - one thing with the page editor
16:01 shaun   i've been playing with kea, squashing out some bugs in the html and transferring html 4 to xhtml (although still no promised homepage patch)
16:00 shaun   hi russ
16:00 russ    hi shaun
15:59 russ    and it is nice and sunny here today
15:58 rach    yesterday was officially spring
15:58 russ    today :-)
15:58 owen    So when does it start looking like Spring there?
15:57 owen    Hi to rach too.
15:55 rach    hi
15:54 russ    hi owen
15:54 owen    Hi russ
14:25 meushi  nice
14:24 owen    The public library where I work has a branch in Athens: http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us
14:23 meushi  I've got a few friends in there
14:23 meushi  hehe
14:23 owen    Yup.
14:23 meushi  close to Athens, by any chance?
14:23 meushi  oh
14:22 meushi  Luxembourg, Europe
14:22 owen    Where are you located, if you don't mind me asking?
14:21 meushi  then I'll probably need to have a look at their current fugly hack of a solution to get the data over
14:21 meushi  I just had a few hours to play with it, so I didn't tweak anything yet
14:20 meushi  default one
14:20 owen    What template are you using?
14:20 meushi  cool, I'll get that one tomorrow
14:17 owen    Okay...Looks like version 0.3r77 is what it needs
14:15 meushi  if I knock that one out, the only issue remaining for later adoption of the product is unicode
14:14 meushi  yeah
14:14 owen    Barcodes are a toughy
14:14 meushi  which version of PDF::API2 is supposed to work for barcodeGenerator?
14:13 meushi  only one left for today is barcodes :D
14:13 owen    Uh oh... issues? :)
14:13 meushi  so I looked into it
14:13 meushi  another department had issues with it
14:13 meushi  through an email at work
14:12 owen    How'd you hear about it?
14:12 meushi  indeed not, first visit... discovered koha this morning
14:11 owen    I don't think I've seen you here before
14:10 meushi  sorry for the lag :)
14:10 meushi  hi owen
13:59 owen    Hi meushi... I didn't see you come in.