Time Nick Message 13:59 owen Hi meushi... I didn't see you come in. 14:10 meushi hi owen 14:10 meushi sorry for the lag :) 14:11 owen I don't think I've seen you here before 14:12 meushi indeed not, first visit... discovered koha this morning 14:12 owen How'd you hear about it? 14:13 meushi through an email at work 14:13 meushi another department had issues with it 14:13 meushi so I looked into it 14:13 owen Uh oh... issues? :) 14:13 meushi only one left for today is barcodes :D 14:14 meushi which version of PDF::API2 is supposed to work for barcodeGenerator? 14:14 owen Barcodes are a toughy 14:14 meushi yeah 14:15 meushi if I knock that one out, the only issue remaining for later adoption of the product is unicode 14:17 owen Okay...Looks like version 0.3r77 is what it needs 14:20 meushi cool, I'll get that one tomorrow 14:20 owen What template are you using? 14:20 meushi default one 14:21 meushi I just had a few hours to play with it, so I didn't tweak anything yet 14:21 meushi then I'll probably need to have a look at their current fugly hack of a solution to get the data over 14:22 owen Where are you located, if you don't mind me asking? 14:22 meushi Luxembourg, Europe 14:23 meushi oh 14:23 meushi close to Athens, by any chance? 14:23 owen Yup. 14:23 meushi hehe 14:23 meushi I've got a few friends in there 14:24 owen The public library where I work has a branch in Athens: http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us 14:25 meushi nice 15:54 owen Hi russ 15:54 russ hi owen 15:55 rach hi 15:57 owen Hi to rach too. 15:58 owen So when does it start looking like Spring there? 15:58 russ today :-) 15:58 rach yesterday was officially spring 15:59 russ and it is nice and sunny here today 16:00 russ hi shaun 16:00 shaun hi russ 16:01 shaun i've been playing with kea, squashing out some bugs in the html and transferring html 4 to xhtml (although still no promised homepage patch) 16:01 russ cool - one thing with the page editor 16:02 russ i am not sure what kind of html it generates 16:03 shaun hmm, i'm sure the latest version does xhtml 1.0 16:03 shaun i've noticed a problem - is there any way we can get the title style "Koha | About > FAQ" style rather than just "FAQ" without messing up the breadcrumbs and auto navigation? 16:04 russ it would be ok for the navigation - cos we can overide the defualt title with a "short name" 16:04 russ but the bread crumbs would break 16:04 russ they run solely off the page title 16:05 chris yep 16:05 shaun so i'll have to unbreak them and just go with the section title then :-( 16:06 russ sorry - all the katipods are aware kea is not perfect 16:06 owen That's why they won't release it ;) 16:07 shaun (would be an awesome open source cms, i reckon) 16:07 russ that may happen soon 16:08 russ we have a new skin for the file manager interface coming - which should make it a bit better looking 16:08 shaun is there no code that will make the breadcrumbs run off the short name rather than the page title? 16:09 russ i'll ask but i don't think so 16:10 rach breadcrumbs were done first in the coding of kea - a few years before the short names 16:10 chris i could whack up some code 16:10 chris but we have about 100 sites now 16:10 chris so it wont be going live without rigourous testing .. ie probably not before the site is finished :-) 16:11 shaun there has to be - although it may take some configurating, you should be able to get the same thing as in the navigation, methinks 16:11 chris yep of course 16:11 chris just have to write the code to do it 16:11 chris but as i said, im not doing it on the live kea server :-) 16:11 chris and now i have to go to a drs appt 16:11 shaun do you have one kea install per server or per site? 16:12 rach nope - one big kea server 16:12 rach that does all the sites 16:13 rach so one kea per server - and we have a nice place to go set up new sites, and new users, and join you up to different sites 16:13 russ we actually have about 4 kea servers, but that is a long story 16:14 russ for the purposes of this discussion one kea per server 16:14 rach they all run multiple sites 16:28 shaun russ: i take it you've got a plan for getting the search and news running? 16:28 russ oh yep 16:29 russ one of the lads will install the news module todya 16:29 russ and the search wont work on the edit site 16:29 russ but i will get someone to set it up for the live site 16:30 russ we'll use htdig (is what we normally use) 16:31 russ do you want to do a layout for the search results page? 16:32 russ http://www.koha.org/cgi-bin/htsearch 16:32 shaun yeah, that's why i was asking - i planned on using <dl> for the search results 16:32 shaun ht://Dig error 16:33 shaun htsearch detected an error. Please report this to the webmaster of this site. The error message is: 16:33 shaun Unable to read configuration file 16:33 russ oh right go to the home page of koha.org and search on something 16:34 shaun that's all good, although <b> should be done in css 16:35 russ yeah i am not sure how easy that is to change with htdig 16:38 russ kados you around? 16:45 meushi gnite 16:45 meushi and thanks for the help owen :) 16:46 shaun i'm off too (getting tired) 16:46 shaun russ: have we got a deadline for the site? 16:47 russ id like to get the content this week 16:48 russ so that we can go live by the end of next week 16:48 russ i mean content this weekend 16:48 russ if i dont get content by wednesday, i will just start plugging in the old stuff 16:49 shaun i will do a run through before it goes live to make sure it's all good for WCAG and compliant 16:50 shaun s/compliant/compliance 19:22 Irma G'day all...is Russel about? 19:22 chris hes just at lunch irma 19:23 Irma Hi Chris U r OK? 19:23 chris yep, looking forward to the weekend and catching up on some sleep :) 19:24 chris how bout urself? 19:27 Irma crazy pace but well....have just about finalized with Brenda Mc Conchie the research task for the ACT Department of Education ...looking at ILS for their highschools 19:28 Irma hence could not join in the IRC meeting yesterday...suddenly needed to expand on some aspects...all is ok again and ready for the website proofreading/editing this weekend 19:29 genji hmmm? aussie highschools could be taking up Koha? 19:29 genji All of them, in ACT? 19:30 chris ahh cool irma 19:30 Irma I made a visible Koha presence in the argument 19:30 genji Sweet! well done Irma! 19:31 Irma the email from the librarian in Alaska was timely...could not get hold of Steve in BC but Steven in Ohio found some links I could insert into the report... 19:32 chris cool 19:32 Irma can't chat long next job is lurking impatiantlly around the desktop already... 19:32 chris have a good weekend, ill let russ know about the proof reading 19:33 Irma enjoy the w/e and will try to catch Russel after the staff meeting in the late afternoon 19:33 chris cool 19:35 Irma ciao genji...this Koha for government schools makes so much sense to me seeing librarians are naturals at networking/sharing stretching the dollar...but a mind shift takes time...so let's wait and see. 19:35 genji yup. Eager to see NZ schools using koha, instead of forking out for Dynix or whatever they use. 19:36 genji Hey, just this year, Palmerston North Library upgraded from Dynix to another more guied, prettier and fuller featured Dynix product. 19:37 genji Could of took that money and shoved it into Koha, for much better. 19:37 Irma and paid? yep..I'll better get on with it...sorry...talk another time again. Bye. 20:30 kados chris got a sec? 20:30 russ hi kados 20:30 kados hey russ 20:30 kados how do I publish something when I've uploaded it? 20:31 chris ah luckily ive just set up triggering 20:31 chris it will depend if you have rights too kados 20:31 kados ahh ... maybe I don't then ... 20:31 chris on the bottom of the page 20:31 kados I really like Kea btw .... nice job 20:31 chris Action on checked files: 20:31 kados i see notify, move, rename, copy delete 20:31 chris ahh there you go 20:31 chris you can notify 20:32 kados k 20:32 chris which sends an email 20:32 chris to ppl with trigger rights 20:32 kados to irma i suppose ... our editor 20:32 chris and then they can read it and trigger it live 20:32 kados then to rach for final approval 20:32 kados k ... thanks 20:32 russ kados you have notify 20:32 kados now ... I'm a bit confused about navigation 20:32 russ actually that remind me 20:32 kados for the 'support' page for instance 20:33 russ yep 20:33 kados do we have plans to have second-level navigation? 20:33 kados or a column for the third level? 20:33 russ ? 20:33 russ what do you want to do? 20:34 kados well ... not sure really 20:34 kados looks like right now all the content I can add is just text 20:34 russ what kind of other content do you want to add? 20:34 kados am I also expected to include links to the next level of content? 20:34 russ no - kea will make those links for you 20:35 russ when you make a new page 20:35 russ it will add that page to the side navigation 20:35 russ are you logged into the edit site at the moment? 20:35 kados ahh 20:35 kados yea 20:35 kados I got it now ... this is really sweet 20:35 russ cool 20:36 russ the lhs side nav shows you all the pages in the folder plus the index page of any sub folder 20:37 kados russ: o users were found with trigger rights over this file. 20:37 kados russ: s/no/o/ 20:37 russ ah right 20:37 russ yep 2 secs 20:37 kados I tried that with 'awards.html' 20:38 kados ok new question 20:38 kados nevermind ... I see the 'index.html' in awards dir 20:38 russ kados try the notify now 20:39 kados russ: k ... I think it worked 20:40 russ email@example.com has edited the following file and requests that it be triggered to the live site: 20:40 russ http://koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz/about-koha/awards.html 20:40 russ To trigger the file please follow this link: 20:40 russ just got that email 20:40 kados cool 20:40 russ so yep that is all good 20:40 kados nice ... it worked 20:40 kados or did it ... is it live now? 20:41 kados or am I just seeing the edit screen again ;-) 20:41 chris nope it wont be live until someone triggers it 20:41 russ no not untill i action the trigger 20:41 chris you have just notified that you want it triggered 20:41 russ i am picking that nothing on the site has been triggered yet 20:41 chris and then it will show up at the live site 20:41 chris which is on a whole different machine 20:41 kados ahh 20:41 russ but you can preview the edit site 20:41 russ http://koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz/support/pay.html 20:41 kados wow ... 20:42 chris which is the feature i like best about kea 20:42 chris it doesnt (in fact shouldnt) run on the same box as the live site 20:42 kados yea ... that rocks 20:42 kados russ: for the pay for support site ... I want to run something by you 20:43 russ sure 20:43 kados russ: I'm thinking we should have that be the main support page 20:43 kados with links to 'other support' for IRC, lists etc. 20:43 kados since this site is really a marketing site for admins, etc. 20:43 kados what do you think? 20:43 russ what i was thinking 20:44 russ is that we should push the whole it is your choice 20:44 russ and that the support page would advertise the 2 options 20:44 russ and then on the free support page 20:44 russ we could give some pointers along the lines of - these are volunteers 20:44 russ you are asking - so be nice type of thing 20:44 russ and then have the other option with the companies 20:45 russ i am picking the community is still keen to offer some level of "free" support? 20:45 kados hmmm 20:45 kados right ... well here's what I'm thinking 20:45 kados based on the history here 20:46 kados Koha features never change through 'volunteer' efforts ;-) 20:46 kados it's just a historical fact for this project 20:46 kados we dont' have a large enough user base 20:46 chris hmm dunno about that 20:46 kados all the major features and most of the minor features have come from paying developers 20:46 kados really? 20:46 chris theres gotta be at least 200hrs of volunteer labour in there from me 20:47 kados hehe 20:47 kados yea ... that's true 20:48 chris plus the whole C4::Context module 20:48 kados well ... how sustainable is that chris? ;-) 20:48 chris andrew wrote that, with no financial gain 20:48 kados andrew? 20:49 chris i forget his last name, started with a also 20:49 chris arsenberger perhaps 20:49 kados anyway, my thought is simply that maybe the 'main' focus be on getting commercial support 20:49 kados with plenty of links to 'free' options as well 20:49 chris yep as long as we have all the links to free stuff thats good 20:49 kados I think that's a good approch for two reasons 20:50 kados one, it's good for those of us trying to support Koha (advertising) 20:50 chris ppl still freak out at free stuff 20:50 kados two, I think libraries (at least in the US) are skeptical of 'purely volunteeer' stuff 20:50 kados yea 20:51 kados it's a strange thing to observe 20:51 chris yeah, its a sad but true attitude 20:51 chris if someone does it for free, it must suck 20:51 kados heh ... yea 20:51 chris when often the reverse is true 20:51 kados yep 21:01 russ sorry just on the phone 21:08 russ kados - i dont have a problem with the main support page being the pay for support 21:08 russ but i think we should have a seperate page explaining how the whole free support thing works 21:27 kados definitely! 21:33 russ ideally if we get a bunch of companies offering support 21:33 russ then we will need regional pages 21:33 russ but i think 1 page should cover it for now 21:33 kados russ: right 21:35 kados russ: should the 'koha team' bios be a new level or should they be on the same page? 21:35 kados russ: I'm thinking a new page for each bio or one new page for all the bios 21:40 russ how many bios? 21:41 russ kaitiaki, 3.0 release manager, 2.2. release maintainer and who else? 21:42 russ if we are going to have multiple pages i think an intro page that has some information about the make up of the koha team would be a good idea 21:42 kados yea ... working on that right now ... 21:42 kados but that page prolly shouldn't have bios on it 21:42 russ no 21:43 russ so make a folder for it, index page with general team makeup and then sep pages for bios 21:43 russ i think that is a good idea 21:45 kados k 21:52 kados russ: well ... some stuff is up there now 21:53 russ cool 21:53 russ how is kea going for you so far? 21:54 kados I love it 22:01 kados ok ... I'm exhausted ... gotta get some sleep 22:01 russ catch you later 23:25 thd- Are any Kea people present? 23:34 genji Ya, I know Kea. What do you need? 23:34 genji thd-? 23:37 thd- genji: I had noticed soemthing odd at http://www.katipo.co.nz/solutions/contentmanagement/ where I find no images. 23:38 genji you see no images at all? 23:39 thd- genji: maybe just an unusual case of something broken. There is no base url set in a meta tag so as I am using Opera from someone elses computer I see no images on that page from the relative image links. 23:40 genji ahh. so, what your really asking, is if a Katipo site Kea editor could fix it, eh? 23:41 thd- genji: I imagined that I may have found a general problem but there appears to be no problem on the tutorial pages. I have not checked whether the images are absolute or relative on the tutorial pages. 23:56 thd- genji: links seem to be relative in both the Kea tutorial and http://www.katipo.co.nz/solutions/contentmanagement/ . No meta element for base URL is present in either case. Yet, the images work in Opera for the tutorial only. 23:58 thd- genji: Do you see images on http://www.katipo.co.nz/solutions/contentmanagement/ ? 00:04 thd- hello russ 00:04 russ hi thd 00:04 russ hmm that is weird 00:04 russ those images are there 00:04 russ hmm 00:04 thd- russ: Not in Opera 00:04 russ weird 00:05 russ that is an old page that would have been created pre the new editor 00:05 chris http://www.katipo.co.nz/images/content/kea-overview.gif that work for you thd ? 00:05 thd- russ: I see the image areas as blank pages. 00:06 chris cos <img height="166" alt="Kea Overview" src="/images/content/kea-overview.gif" border="0" width="400" /> is hte code 00:06 chris which all looks pretty standard to me 00:07 russ thd - how are you going with the content you are down to write? 00:07 thd- s/pages/regions 00:07 russ i can give you a login to the cms if you are ready to upload it 00:07 russ i just need your email address 00:08 thd- I am not back home yet but I am editing some content at a friends place now. 00:08 thd- russ: firstname.lastname@example.org 00:09 thd- chris: http://www.katipo.co.nz/images/content/kea-overview.gif displayed in Opera. 00:10 chris very weird, there seems nothing tricky in the html 00:10 chris but then i purposely avoid learning html, so my opinion doesnt count for much 00:11 russ two secs thd 00:12 thd- chris: You learn that much extra Perl instead of HTML? :) 00:13 chris if i learn it, someone will ask me to write it :-) 00:13 russ thd just msg your your login details 00:14 russ there are some details on kea and references on where to go for howto's here 00:14 russ http://www.russandsarah.gen.nz/kohawebredev/kea.html 00:17 russ thd any questions about kea drop me an email 00:23 thd- chis: HTML is usually easier to debug. Perl is certaily more fun to create. HTML is a merely a markup language. Doing innovative things in a markup language only breaks compatibility. 00:29 thd- chris: One can be innovative with HTML without breaking compatibility. It just requires care and learning to use the oldest instead of the newest HTML tags. 00:34 thd- I find this expanation confusing, "Orange (with text struck through) untriggered delete: The file has been deleted from the edit site but not from the live site. File needs to be triggered to action delete. (Moving a file will create a modified file in the new location, and on untriggered delete in the old location)" 00:35 thd- from http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/tutorial1/colours.html 00:37 chris hmmm i suspect a bad cut and paste 00:37 chris ahh no a typo 00:37 chris it should be 00:37 chris moving a file will create a modified file in the new location, and an untriggered delete in the old location 00:37 chris on = an 00:39 chris fixed 00:40 thd- chris: I noticed but did not comment on the typo. That I understood. The previous sentence is unclear. 00:41 chris right youve read this eh? 00:41 chris http://www.katipo.co.nz/clients/helpdesk/keatutorials/tutorial1/edit.html 00:42 chris no changes you make on the edit site (including deletes) will be made on the live site, until you trigger those changes live 00:42 chris only certain people have the permissions to trigger also 00:43 thd- chris: yes, I guess the use of action as a verb had confused me. 00:43 thd- chris: "to action" 00:43 chris ah right 00:43 chris we say that in new zealand english 00:44 thd- chris: Really, that is a common convention? 00:44 chris yep 00:44 chris to action this change you will need to reply to this email 00:45 thd- chris: Does it appear in print as well or more usually in the spoken form? 00:46 chris im fairly certain ive had it print form from places like banks offering me things 00:46 thd- chirs: How old is this usage? 00:47 chris no idea 00:47 chris Finance was well placed to action these changes in a timely manner. Prior to the Prime Minister's announcement on 23 November 2001 00:47 chris the australians seem to use it also :-) 00:47 thd- chris: I will have to consult the OED, 2nd ed. when I have a chance. 00:47 chris http://18.104.22.168/search?q=cache:LR9kQsxxciIJ:www.finance.gov.au/pubs/annualreport01-02/ch2/ch2_c.html+%22to+action+these+changes%22&hl=en 00:48 chris oh we dont have to follow the OED down here 00:48 chris oxfords a long way away from new zealand :-) 00:48 chris http://22.214.171.124/search?q=cache:cO72smrAt6MJ:www.rcgp.org.uk/clinspec/workshops/rhetoric/rhetoric1.asp+%22to+action+these+changes%22&hl=en 00:48 chris looks like they use it in the uk as well 00:49 thd- chris: The OED project intends to record all English not just the home counties. 00:49 chris phrase searching on google is a wonderful thing :) 00:51 chris right tis 5.51pm on a friday, time for me to finish work I feel 00:51 chris cya later thd 00:51 thd- chris: The OED is at least now meant to be a descriptive as opposed to prescriptive dictionary. 00:52 thd- Good evening chris 01:36 VivekVC indradg: Hello 01:36 VivekVC Sylvain: Hello :) 01:45 VivekVC Hello 01:47 osmoze hello too 02:11 VivekVC I am preparing an indianised doc of koha for my employer. 02:55 paul salut hdl 02:55 hdl salut paul. 02:55 hdl Ca va ? 02:55 paul j'avais oublié de te dire que j'étais à Paris hier 02:55 paul (pour l'Inrets) 02:55 paul oui, validation des SFD la semaine prochaine. 02:56 hdl wow. 02:56 paul contrat signé avec SQLI et facturation des SFD dès que j'ai reçu le BdC officiel ;-) 02:56 hdl Les réunions se sont bien passées ? 02:56 paul (bref, conforme au plan de route...) 02:56 paul oui, c'est un peu parti en live à un moment, mais ca concernait go albert et SQLI, donc j'ai compté les points ;-) 02:57 paul (cela dit, on a une fois encore vu les effets du commercial : AMI, c'était un peu survendu par Go Alb ert finalement ;-) 10:58 kados morning owen 10:58 owen Hi 10:58 kados I'm just looking at this barcode printing problem 10:58 owen I stopped by to see your new server room this morning 10:58 owen You've even got a desk! 10:58 kados yea :-) 10:59 kados I get an 500 error on the barcodes/printerConfig screen 10:59 owen Which server? 10:59 kados Can't locate PDF/API2/PDF/Utils.pm 11:00 kados NBBC 11:00 kados that looks familiar 11:00 owen It was working okay on 101 yesterday. That's where I was working on it yesterday 11:01 kados yea ... cause it's got that ancient version of PDF::API2 11:01 kados guess I'll have to copy it over ... 11:01 owen That's the requirement, isn't it? The ancient one? 11:01 kados yea 11:48 owen shaun, are you around? 11:55 shaun owen: yep 11:55 owen shaun, did rach give you copies of the Koha logo in some kind of original format? 11:55 shaun (in between piano concerti and eating) 11:55 shaun yep, i'll dig it out for you 11:56 owen I'd love it if you could email it to me when you get a free moment. 11:57 shaun i have eps and freehand 11 for original formats 11:58 owen Could you send both? I have Freehand 10, but I'm not sure about backwards-compatibility. Or would that be too much to send? 11:59 shaun not at all, i'm sending all the files now 11:59 owen Thanks!