Time  Nick    Message
09:51 paul    if you have suggestions, feel free to send them, i'll meet them next week
09:51 paul    + a list of other features still to define.
09:50 paul    + i suggested they should candidate as QA manager
09:50 paul    he'll 1st work on SUDOC bulkmarcimport
09:50 owen    Yes
09:50 paul    Ineo ?
09:50 owen    paul, any more information about whether they'll be committing back to CVS?
09:47 paul    (the other one is...)
09:47 paul    1 is OSS & library skillfull, & is OSS & Perl skillfull
09:46 kados   paul: great!
09:46 paul    they have selected 2 candidates to hire to work on Koha at full time
09:46 kados   paul: great ... what's the latest?
09:46 paul    kados & joshua : i spoke with Ineo chairwoman today.
09:44 kados   hi everyone
09:44 owen    Hi paul
09:44 paul    hi owen
09:44 paul    right ;-)
09:44 owen    He got a couple of invitations, didn't he?
09:43 hdl     Paul is back and has quite good news.
09:43 hdl     Working on a migration.
09:42 owen    What's new?
09:42 owen    Hi hdl
09:42 hdl     hi owen
07:34 genji   sleep becomeith.
07:34 genji   okay, my mind has just turned into swiss cheese. back in 8 hours.
07:22 genji   whats the difference between the $flags and the $accessflagshash returned from getpatroninformation?
07:10 genji   course, the memberflag pl having $issues in it is abit wierd.
07:10 paul    hello sylvain
07:10 Sylvain hi
07:08 paul    ;-)
07:08 genji   # July 26, 2002 (my birthday!)
07:08 genji   # Written by Steve Tonnesen
07:08 genji   # script to edit a member's flags
07:08 paul    you know steve birthday ?
07:07 genji   eh, poor guy. Steve Tonnesen did the member-flags.pl on 26 july, 2002. His birthday.
07:06 genji   still, it was a good exercise
07:05 genji   afterwards.
07:05 genji   Ya. someone said it was in the argentina code.
07:05 paul    (except it was already in argentina code, but i'm afraid we've failed to include it into official code...)
07:05 genji   Ya. hmm.. wasn't my idea though.
07:04 paul    great !
07:04 genji   k. what it does, is allows the librarian (one with add/modify borrowers) to upload a picture (currently jpg only) to koha, and it displays in modify users and circulations when the card is scanned in.
07:03 paul    (doing this atm)
07:03 paul    (70 commits on rel_2_2 and 120 on head to look at)
07:02 paul    i haven't investigated what it does yet.
06:59 genji   what did you think of my borrowerimages addition?
06:57 genji   okay, working on it now.
06:56 genji   eh, ya, wherever the flag list comes from currently.
06:56 paul    flag list coming from a table.
06:55 paul    right.
06:55 genji   int(11), using the borrower's flags template, modified abit.
06:54 paul    mmm... right
06:54 genji   new field.
06:54 genji   err
06:54 genji   -nods- new table? nah, just a new flag.
06:54 paul    (table, without s)
06:54 paul    requires a new tables, but quite easy otherwise.
06:54 paul    every newly created patron having the default flag of it's category.
06:53 genji   this would be a easy code, i imagine.
06:53 paul    yes : having default flags attached to borrower category.
06:52 genji   -nods- a straight initial copy would be useful?
06:52 paul    so it could be useful
06:51 paul    OK, I agree
06:51 genji   right, but big library, with varying degrees of responsibility, would need more than 1 librarian category.
06:51 paul    at least, that's how it works for most of my libraries
06:50 paul    (with only 1 category for librarian)
06:50 paul    & borrower types are usually used for patrons
06:50 paul    yes, but pratically, all those flags are related to librarian stuff
06:49 genji   all that appear in borrowers - modify flags.
06:48 paul    (give me an example)
06:48 paul    which flag could be set ?
06:47 genji   useful?
06:47 genji   what do you think?
06:47 genji   and thats it.
06:47 genji   and upon borrower creation, the flags get copied to the borrower.
06:47 genji   and set that flag field to the desired flags for the category.
06:46 paul    (ie : not sure it's used by anyone, as opac access is unchecked)
06:46 genji   right. well.. the next step is to have borrower categories with a flag field.
06:46 paul    & i'm not sure it's really useful
06:45 paul    what we have is : a set of default permissions activated when user is created
06:45 genji   or prehaps we create a second field called parent.. where a 1 signifies that  the flag is set to inherit, and follows the borrower's changes?
06:45 paul    depends on what you mean here
06:44 genji   well.. i think we have the permissions inheriting just for the initial borrower creation?
06:43 paul    maybe in the future the idea could come back
06:43 genji   ahh.
06:43 paul    it's just that it seems to be a too big stuff
06:43 paul    nothing.
06:42 genji   k. umm. whats wrong with the idea of borrower category inherit?
06:41 genji   heu
06:41 paul    genji : i'm here (back from lunch)
06:14 genji   paul, still here?
04:56 paul    so, we think we can't do it yet.
04:56 paul    we spoke of this & Koha DB scheme is not at all organized to do such things.
04:56 paul    genji, to answer( late) your question :
02:48 paul    (on phone)
02:47 genji   paul? you there?
02:45 hdl     hello
02:41 genji   read kados idea of borrower categories inherited permissions?
02:40 genji   hello paul. hey, you a programmer right?
02:38 paul    hello aussi
02:38 osmoze  hello
00:23 genji   okay, tomorrow then.
00:23 genji   mmmm.. pie.....
00:23 rach    no just got in, am eating pie, then dog class at 6pm
00:23 genji   oh. okay. don't have time now eh?
00:22 rach    sorry genji - i'll be around with more time tommorrow i think
21:25 genji   they always venture this way. hmm.
21:25 genji   heheh.
21:25 jo      yep
21:25 russ    i think you are after #hlt
21:25 russ    hi beth
21:25 genji   nope.
21:24 jo      and I'm picking your not Simon
21:24 genji   eh, prehaps its better to say, hello levin, then.
21:24 jo      hi Beth here Jo will be back down in two minutes
21:23 genji   hello jo.
21:20 jo      hey Simon
20:58 genji   hrm.. she said she'd be free... oh well. k.. ill wait.
20:57 russ    sorry genji - she is in a meeting most of this afternoon
20:30 genji   available, rach?
17:14 genji   ahh.. okay.
17:14 shaun   then to quote russ: "We are going with Mambo for koha.org - openCMS is too steep a learning curve."
17:13 shaun   so what we want to *get* out of this project other than a fab new koha site is something we can do a proper test of open cms with
17:12 shaun   ok - we don't have anything particularly against mambo, I'm sure it's a fine piece of software, but we've identified open CMS as a good candidate for doing large info websites - which is something we're into, and wanting to find a good product for
17:12 shaun   genji: the original plan was to use opencms - to quote rach:
17:09 genji   hmm.... why Mambo over Kea? hrm... ill wait till thursday.
17:06 genji   k.
17:06 shaun   so it's 49 hours' time (decimals, they make my brain work numerically)
17:06 russ    so thursday - sorry my mistake
17:06 russ    kiwi time - yep
17:06 genji   that isn't tomorrow...
17:05 genji   its on at thursday 11am, russ?
17:05 russ    ah right
17:05 genji   its tuesday today..
17:05 russ    http://tinyurl.com/a6kjj
17:05 genji   New Zealand.
17:04 shaun   thursday for me as well - where abouts are you, genji?
17:04 genji   when is this mambo discussion, russ?
17:04 genji   hrm... says thursday on my timeanddate thing....
17:01 russ    i'll catch you tomorrow for the mambo discussion
17:01 shaun   ok, thanks for coming
17:00 russ    wee problem on another site that needs my attention
17:00 russ    sorry shaun i have to go
17:00 russ    :-)
17:00 shaun   not often you can say that about any page in lynx :p
16:58 russ    the content page looks great in lynx
16:58 russ    yeah i can see
16:57 shaun   hehe, i've been there ;-)
16:56 russ    so that is all good
16:56 russ    i get no errors or warnings from my firefox HTML Validator plugin
16:56 russ    otherwise it is looking all good
16:55 russ    i think the major one is the image on the homepage
16:54 russ    they can detract from the page heading sometimes which is not good
16:54 russ    yeah good point
16:53 shaun   they seemed to get in the way on the left
16:52 russ    just thinking about it
16:52 russ    not that i think that is a bad thing
16:52 russ    the breadcrumbs are in a position that i have seen used before
16:51 shaun   have you picked up anything else on the content page?
16:49 russ    it will be one of the first things i ask ryan :-)
16:48 russ    must say that was one thing i though was a bit poor with it
16:48 russ    would require lots of different navigation menus items or what ever they are called
16:48 russ    hmm yeah - i was looking at that
16:47 russ    like with case studies, we would end up with quite a number of seperate pages in that section
16:47 shaun   i'm not sure about how feasible that is with mambo
16:47 russ    you just see the features link
16:47 russ    but if you are on faq
16:47 russ    you see the other pages
16:46 russ    so if you are in features
16:46 russ    just to show the nav expanded for the section you are in
16:46 russ    i think it would be better
16:46 russ    then the precedent has been set for all pages to be seen in the nav
16:46 russ    well i just think that if we get more pages under some of the other sections
16:45 shaun   always expanded, but if you would suggest otherwise i'm just as happy for that
16:45 russ    yeah case study box look much better now
16:45 shaun   (btw i've fixed up the case study box on the hp)
16:44 russ    would the features section always be expanded? or is that just to show what the navigation would look like for a section with subpages?
16:44 shaun   yep
16:44 russ    http://dev.shaunevans.co.uk:8080/koha/content.php
16:44 russ    on the content page shaun - looking at the navigation
16:42 russ    maybe if it was as wide as the image above it that would look better
16:42 russ    umm i still think the case study box is a little narrow
16:41 shaun   anything else for the homepage?
16:40 shaun   ok, i'll have a go at that
16:39 russ    yep
16:39 owen    Sounds worth a try to me
16:39 shaun   what d'you mean? split it into the background, an <h2> and an <img>?
16:38 russ    is it possible to do them as layers on that image?
16:38 russ    i dont think they will
16:37 shaun   that's a point - although i had assumed that the maintainer of the homepage would have access to photoshop or similar, which it's all layered in
16:36 genji   ah. okay. can wait then.
16:35 genji   when your free rach, would like a chat.
16:35 russ    koha v2.2
16:35 russ    by text i mean the heading
16:34 russ    which will make it hard to change the photo and the text
16:34 russ    is all one big image
16:34 russ    http://dev.shaunevans.co.uk:8080/koha/feature-bg.png
16:34 russ    the blue box
16:34 russ    http://dev.shaunevans.co.uk:8080/koha/index.php
16:34 shaun   i would say irc is the best (allows discussion)
16:33 russ    compiled in a email, or in a new bugzilla component?
16:33 shaun   yes, please
16:33 russ    do you want them in irc now
16:32 russ    there are a few things we have noticed
16:32 russ    rach and i are having a look now
16:32 russ    slowly getting that stuff together
16:31 shaun   russ: i still haven't had a real look at the third row on the homepage - have you started compiling case studies?
16:30 genji   kados, you awake?
16:23 russ    i hear her coming
16:23 shaun   genji: http://tinyurl.com/a6kjj, Ryan from liblime will be here, he's a mambo expert
16:22 shaun   is rach around to give an opinion?
16:22 shaun   thanks :-)
16:22 russ    great job
16:22 russ    it is looking really good though shaun
16:21 chris   linux can do weird things with fonts, theres often a trick to sorting that out
16:21 russ    still small fonts on my puter, but i get that with a number of sites
16:21 genji   ah. okay.
16:21 russ    shaun - looks good in konqueror to me
16:20 russ    we will need help with proofing
16:20 russ    we are going to use mambo for the koha site, and i think we have it covered at the moment
16:19 genji   russ: you were going to get me to do some Kea CMS plugging?
16:18 russ    hi genji
16:18 chris   you can check it in konqueror eh russ?
16:18 russ    on my firefox the text is a little small, but i think i have something up with my default font sizes
16:18 genji   hello russ! Rach, welcome back!
16:18 shaun   is rach looking?
16:18 russ    looks great in ie on rach's computer
16:18 shaun   much to my surprise, it renders just as well in IE6 - but i haven't had a chance to test in konqueror or safari
16:17 chris   looks nice in my firefox
16:16 russ    shaum - i am just going to have a look on a windows machine
16:14 russ    having a look now
16:14 russ    cool
16:11 shaun   content page (faq used as sample): http://dev.shaunevans.co.uk:8080/koha/content.php
16:11 shaun   homepage: http://dev.shaunevans.co.uk:8080/koha/index.php
16:11 shaun   hi russ
16:10 russ    hi shaun
14:46 shaun   hi owen
14:44 owen    Hey shaun