Time Nick Message 10:51 thd however, I have not been able to connect yet to confirm that speculation for myself. 10:50 thd osmoze, hdl: BNF must be using 8859-15 to transmit despite the encoding in the records claiming ISO 5426. 10:47 thd hdl: As you had said yesterday hdl, BNF supports 8859-15. 10:46 thd osmoze, hdl: however, I have a guess about why you have no ISO 5426 problems with your records. 10:44 thd hdl: I will have to look at my connection problem further. 10:43 thd hdl: I was up very late last night looking at my code to find some simple authentication syntax error while receiving 'init rejected' messages from BNF :( 10:39 thd hello hdl 09:49 osmoze bonne soirée 09:42 osmoze et apparement ca marche, maintenant je regrde l aide sur cpan pour l utilisation 09:42 osmoze perl -MCPAN -e 'install "PHP"' 09:41 osmoze j ai fait un 09:41 osmoze module php pour perl 09:41 osmoze hdl> 09:41 hdl Mais je vais essayer de trouver pourquoi. 09:41 hdl Certainement le Template n'est pas réinterprété. 09:40 hdl osmoze : il semblerait que le script php ne soit pas interprété. 09:31 osmoze hdl> tout essayer dans le template, rien n y fait...Peut etre faut il un module perl particulier 09:29 hdl Un chose est sûre, c'est qu'il faut que cela soit intégré au template. 09:25 hdl Peut-être un script language="php" serait-il plus approprié. 09:24 hdl osmoze : Normalement, il faut au moi <?php ?> 09:15 osmoze xxx</script> 09:15 osmoze <script language="php"> 09:15 osmoze a moins que je rajoute un : 09:13 osmoze je me demande si un print"<? xxx ?>" fonctionnerai ou pas 09:13 osmoze si, mais dans le tmpl, les deux cas : avec ouverture de balise <? ?> et sans, c est pareil 09:12 hdl Je me pose des questions. 09:12 osmoze (phpmyadmin par exemple ) 09:12 osmoze j utilise d autre site dessus 09:12 hdl Ne faudrait-il pas indiquer que c'est un script php pour que Apache le traite comme tel ? 09:12 osmoze oui ^^ 09:11 hdl As-tu activer le php sur ta machine ? 09:10 osmoze de plus, sur la page d accueil de l opac, je veux rajouter un script aussi pour la securité (script php de log d ip etc etc) 09:10 osmoze pour le redimensionnement 09:09 osmoze hdl> je mets le script dans le tmpl ou le pl ? en fait, j ai rajouter les photos des borrowers, mais je me penche sur deux choses : une page pour l upload des photos avec correspondance (exemple, upload photo avec n°de carte) et ensuite, pour l affichage, je voulais passer par un script qui utilise image magick, j ai trouver les commande pour utiliser le image::imagick de perl, mais comme je connais pas perle 09:00 hdl osmoze :Mais pour pouvoir t'aider efficacement, il faudrait que tu me décrives ton problème 09:00 hdl hi thd. I am here. 08:59 hdl osmoze :En fait, normalement, si tu mets simplement le script php dans la page, ça devrait marcher 08:56 hdl osmoze : je n'avais pas vu ce que tu demandais. 06:33 osmoze un indice ? 06:33 osmoze j ai essayer d ouvrir une balise php dans le tmpl mais c est pas ca ^^ 06:32 osmoze hdl : en fait, je voudrais rajouter un tout petit script php dans une des pages 05:10 hdl Mieux vaut réserver cela à un portail d'entrée. 05:10 hdl Alors attention aux futures mises à jour. 05:10 hdl osmoze : Pourquoi pas. Mais ce ne sont pas des templates standards !!!! 03:11 osmoze sais tu si on peux rajouter du php a l interieur d une page ? 03:10 hdl Salut Osmoze 03:08 osmoze bonjour hdl 02:35 osmoze ok, i ve modified the borrowers_stats.pl & tmpl 02:23 osmoze do you know if it's possible to count th number of borrowers by site ? 01:38 osmoze good morning koha 23:44 ambrose thd: unfortunately no. i should be less lazy and do my testing.... 23:31 thd ambrose: do you know anything more about your problem such as whether the character data was being manually entered or copy catalogued? 23:27 ambrose thd: i don't know why the corruption would be related to Windows specific characters, but that is my observation 23:07 thd unless I do multibyte trading, although, I suspect that I would still lack the glyph. 23:05 thd ambrose: I can have Greek but I have to trade in dollars, pounds, or euros :) 23:01 thd ambrose: I have no glyph for the drachma, \xa5 in ISO 8859-7, on my fully encoded Debian system. It resembles the characters with no glyphs on your image. 22:21 thd ambrose: Why would your corruption issue be related to Windows specific characters such as stupid quotes? 22:04 thd ambrose: For some reason the French do not have to work around that for ISO 5426 even though their problem should be the same with multibyte accented characters. 22:02 thd ambrose: owen told me today that NPL removes any double byte MARC-8 accented character it finds from copy catalogued sources and substitutes the single byte UTF-7 equivalent. 22:00 thd ambrose: They are difficult to work with because they are not supported by the major character set conversion functions. 21:58 thd ambrose: ISO 5426 and MARC-8 are special character sets for libraries. 21:57 ambrose oh 21:57 ambrose thd: i don't know anything about iso 5426, but both iso 2022 and 8859 character sets won't touch 0x80-0x9f 21:57 thd ambrose: They seem not to have multibyte characters where the records themselves say that they should. 21:57 ambrose thd: if i am correct that corruption only affects windows-1252-specific bytes (i.e., 0x80-0x9f), then it is probably natural for iso character sets (other than 10646) to have no problems 21:55 thd ambrose: I had an interesting discussion with hdl and osmoze earlier today where it seems they have no problems with ISO 5426 character sets in their UNIMARC records even though I would have expected to see a problem for all accented characters being multibyte. 21:53 Genji kados: still there? 21:50 ambrose thd: yes, but i haven't looked at my problem 21:49 thd ambrose: are you still awake? 21:42 kados I'll try to write a message to koha-devel tomorrow explaining my ideas 21:41 kados I've really got to get to bed ;-) 21:35 Genji ? 21:34 Genji kados: but as for the whole unified scheme... i don't understand it. 21:34 Genji kados: well.. i can certainly do the borrower categories permission bit. 21:18 kados Genji: that's a bit of what I mean ... not everything though ;-) 21:18 kados Genji: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12324431 21:14 kados but I haven't had a chance ... been so busy 21:14 kados yea ... I need to write up an explaination and post it to koha-devel 21:14 Genji not sure i get it. 21:14 kados I can't find that post btw 21:13 kados and inheritence rules 21:13 kados library systems, consortiums, branches, users, items, etc. 21:12 kados Genji: right ... so imagine a single set of permissions for every object 21:11 Genji unified permissions? 21:08 kados Gen I'll see if I can dig it up 21:08 kados Genji: it might be nice to unify all permissions in Koha 21:08 Genji not yet. where is it? 21:08 kados Genji: did you see my post about an arbitrary tree for branch relationships? 21:07 kados Genji: while you're at it ... 21:07 kados Genji: exactly 21:06 Genji kados: right. so.. if the user has flags set, those flags set precidence against the catagory flags? 21:06 kados Genji: not quite as simple ;-) 21:06 kados Genji: so you'd want an inheritence scheme 21:06 kados Genji: the problem is that you'd want to make sure you didn't override the _actual_ permissions set for individual users 21:06 Genji kados: Thats basically what i said. Forgot the term though. 21:05 kados Genji: from each category ... a way to set the default permissions for borrowers in that category 21:05 kados Genji: borrower categories: cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl 21:04 Genji kados: so, you want a "modify flags" button on the borrower group add/modify page, right? 21:03 Genji kados: the flags are just 1's and 0's in a string of int(11) so should be easy to implement your request. 20:59 kados Genji: exactly 20:50 Genji kados: like, the permissions listed in modify flags, in borrowers section? 20:48 kados Genji: well ... it would be neat to be able to specify a default set of permissions based on the borrower category 20:48 Genji kados: you mean a flag template? 20:47 Genji kados: hmm... interesting idea..... 20:08 kados is there any way to make a 'patron category' automatically have a 'permissions' level? 20:07 kados chris: you about? got a quick borrower permissions question 17:42 chris havent had a chance yet sorry genji 17:41 Genji hey chris, had a look at my picture bit? 17:19 chris heya jo 17:18 Jo left message for you on hlt 17:17 Jo are you about? 17:17 Jo Hey Chris. 16:44 Genji morning all. 16:18 osmoze ou usmarc aussi 16:16 osmoze hdl, peut on consulter un server z3950 en marc21 si on est en unimarc ? 15:21 osmoze thd-away, i found another for your test : http://www.bibli.ens-cachan.fr/catweb/profil_z3950.htm 15:14 thd hdl; LC has had separate databases for in process record with only cataloguing in publication information and also PREMARC for records retrospectively converted to MARC from catalogue cards.. 15:14 osmoze +g 15:14 osmoze hdl, opale is the same cataloue ? 15:12 thd hdl; LC has had multiple databases that only gradually decrease in number. 15:12 osmoze (and google) 15:11 hdl Is there ? 15:11 osmoze there is no database only for audio ? (cd and other) ? 15:11 hdl Do you have a problem ? 15:11 osmoze opale ? 15:11 hdl Why ? 15:11 hdl No. 15:10 thd hdl: Does BnF have other databases? 15:05 hdl Record syntax : UNIMARC 15:05 hdl Version : 2 15:05 hdl Element set : F 15:05 hdl Password : Z3950_BNF 15:05 hdl User : Z3950 15:05 hdl Database name : TOUT 15:05 hdl Database : Catalogue Bn-Opale plus 15:05 hdl Port : 2211 15:05 hdl Server : z3950.bnf.fr 15:03 thd hdl: yes that may help/ 15:02 hdl Do you want BNF Z3950 IDs ? 15:02 thd hdl: I will have to experiment with directly gathering some French UNIMARC records with accents from BnF myself and see what I find encoded to explore the ISO 5426 issue further. 14:58 osmoze thd, hum...oki oki, business is business 14:57 hdl osmoze : fmd.internet est fr.misc.droit.internet : c'est un forum français. 14:56 thd osmoze: You need an agreement with a publishers association like the one that Amazon would have made where either you can use the images liberally at your library or you can provide a compensating link to buy the material as Amazon requires. 14:55 osmoze hdl, logique effectivement :) 14:55 hdl Thx owen. 14:55 hdl <img src="/images/<!-- TMPL_VAR name="borrowernumber" -->.jpg" /> 14:54 thd osmoze: That would be the law everywhere that I know. 14:54 osmoze hdl, apparement c est bien plus interessant la photo des livres que des lecteurs 14:52 osmoze thd, yes, brcause the manager of my library say that it's not possible in france to have book's picture 14:52 hdl Ensuite, dans les template, tu ajoute la ligne : 14:52 hdl Et tu enregistres les images avec identifiant.jpg 14:51 hdl En fait, il suffit de faire un répertoire image dans les includes par exemple, ou au même niveau. 14:51 osmoze c est ? 14:51 hdl Mais d'un point de vue juridique : Pourquoi ne pas poser la question sur fmd.internet 14:50 osmoze des lecteurs ? 14:49 hdl techniquement : Tu peux utiliser la solution utilisée par la NPL pour avoir les photos des lecteurs. Elle me semble fort intéressante. 14:49 osmoze a cause des droits 14:49 osmoze ma biliothecaire me dit que c est pas faisable 14:48 osmoze je pense pas, mais mieux vaut partir du debut quand on a une idée :) 14:47 hdl J'avoue que je ne sais pas. 14:47 hdl En ce qui concerne la possibilité de faire cela par toi-même.... 14:47 osmoze yes thd 14:47 hdl osmoze : Bonne question. En fait, amazon te laisse faire cela si tu fait un lien vers eux. 14:46 thd osmoze: Are you asking about the copyright of cover images? 14:46 hdl thd : hopefully. 14:42 osmoze hdl, sais tu si en france on peux mettre les photos des livres lors des recherches (au niveau des droits ) 14:42 thd hdl: The French ones at least have the correct keyboard for constructing accents and know how to use it even if some accented characters may be more awkward to type than ASCII, ISO 646 14:40 hdl :) 14:40 hdl And french too. 14:39 thd hdl: Well at least the English users probably prefer non-accent sensitive search by default. 14:38 hdl yes. 14:36 thd hdl: Do your other installations all have non-accent sensitive search? 14:34 hdl accent-sensitive search. 14:34 thd hdl: Which searching behaviour was obtained without assistance? 14:33 hdl How he installed the stuff. 14:33 hdl What he did before. 14:33 hdl we don't know what machine he has. 14:33 hdl It is someone who did install without assistance. 14:32 thd hdl: An OS setup issue? 14:31 thd hdl: How would you account for the accent searching anomaly? 14:29 thd hdl: Also, Is there a Koha or MySQL version that distinguishes those libraries that have an accent sensitive search from those that do not? 14:28 hdl But maybe practise is different. 14:28 hdl thd : you should be right in theory. 14:26 thd for UNIMARC. 14:25 thd hdl: I do not quite follow what you mean by MARC::Record itself using a certain type of character. Character encoding is supposed to be defined in the record itself such as 100 $a/26-29 14:22 thd hdl: But if you start with one record format such as MARC 21 breeding.pl will not convert to the other UNIMARC format will it? 14:20 hdl And this has some kind of charset code underneath. 14:20 hdl With breeding.pl, when you import MARC records, you can choose US-MARC or UNIMARC. 14:19 thd hdl: What type of MARC conversion? 14:19 hdl It seems that MARC::Record uses certain type of character.* 14:18 hdl hidden code is MARC conversion. 14:18 hdl Some would find search accent-sensitive, others donot. 14:17 thd hdl: what problems do you have searching for accents? 14:17 thd hdl: And there is no code hidden somewhere I did not find in Koha to convert character sets? 14:16 hdl But, some asked a question about accents and it seems that when searching with accents, some have problems that others don't. 14:15 hdl for SURE. 14:15 hdl They use Koha Cataloguing. 14:15 hdl No. 14:14 thd hdl: Does that mean you cannot answer now about what system are your libraries using for copy cataloguing? The Koha editor or otherwise? 14:12 thd hdl: So your baby is allowed to sleep. 14:11 hdl But My computer is in the baby's room 14:11 hdl thd : he he :) 14:11 thd hdl: If you have a baby, then you are not even allowed to sleep :) 14:10 hdl I have a baby... And that's why :) 14:09 hdl no. 13:59 thd hdl: Is it too late for you again today? :) 13:57 thd hdl: what system are your libraries using for copy cataloguing. Are they copy cataloguing outside the Koha or within the Koha record editor? 13:54 thd hdl: given part of what you said, I would expect that your libraries would have similar problems to NPL with characters containing diacritical marks unless some system was automatically correcting for this and converting to UTF-7. 13:48 thd hdl: look at Character set standardisation: migration strategies to unicode for national bibliographic databases : final technical report of the CHASE Project http://www.kb.nl/gabriel/projects/pages/cobra/chase.pdf 13:39 thd hdl: \xC2 is for the acute accent and \x65 is for the 'e' 13:37 thd hdl: Therefore \xC2\x65 would be 'é' 13:33 thd hdl: the first non-spacing character would be for the ISO 5426 diacritical mark and the second character would be for the accented ISO 646 letter. 13:31 thd hdl: If my information is correct ISO 5426 gives multibyte characters for characters with accents. 13:29 thd hdl: osmoze had 100 $a/27-29 showing use of ISO 5426 for his records. 13:27 thd hdl: ISO 5426 is really what I am asking about 13:27 thd hdl: 8859 is not defined for UNIMARC that I can see. 13:23 hdl None of our cuestomers had problems with import. 13:22 hdl BNF's z3950 server uses UNIMARC. so it should be ISO8859-15 charset or ISO646 or ISO-5426 13:17 hdl striving to answer your question. 13:16 thd hello hdl 12:37 thd hdl: with answers to all the world's problems? 12:37 osmoze bye 12:37 osmoze dinner for me 12:37 osmoze (meme en francais...) 12:37 osmoze interdis 12:37 osmoze hdl, je t inderdit de regarder toutes mes fautes d'anglais ^^ 12:36 thd yes hdl 12:36 hdl thd : excuse me. 12:36 thd osmoze: scan would be possible. Then you would be doing something like the latest borrower images addition. 12:36 osmoze so, whe are a little library, and that's be simply to scan book and cd, because, for exemple, a lot of books are not in amazon 12:33 thd osmoze: You need your own developers token from Amazon and you would need to adjust the scripts for amazon,fr. 12:32 osmoze ok, i ll see tomorrow :) thanks a lot 12:32 thd osmoze: I think the feature is documented in detail.pl if your installation is up to date. 12:31 osmoze but, if i want to scan, it's possible ? 12:31 osmoze hum, ok 12:31 thd osmoze: kados wrote the scripts for using Amazon web services to obtain book cover images and text. 12:30 osmoze pics 12:30 osmoze yes, but some book have pic 12:29 thd osmoze: http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/ is the OPAC 12:28 osmoze a great website :) 12:27 osmoze there is a lot of idea for my library 12:27 osmoze how adding pics of book in koha ? 12:26 osmoze how, i discover the nelsonville website 12:26 thd hdl: Do the cataloguers where you are do anything similar to copy catalogued records from BnF for example? 12:25 thd hdl: NPL replaces the multibyte representations of 'é' as two bytes with the UTF-7 'é' as one byte. 12:23 thd hdl: The cataloguers at NPL overwrite the multibyte MARC-8 character set entities for characters with diacritical marks when they have been using properly encoded Library of Congress records for cataloguing. 12:17 thd hdl: It would still be possible to store multibyte character sets as latin1_swedish. They would simply not be indexed correctly. 12:15 thd hello hdl 12:12 hdl inside the database, it is latin1_swedish for mysql 12:08 hdl hi thd 12:03 thd osmoze: My question is whether 'é' for example is stored as one byte or two in your records. 12:01 thd osmoze: diacritical marks are the marks for characters that the Americans left out of the standard for computing when they defined ASCII to include 'e' but not 'é'.