Time Nick Message 10:00 thd All the control fields look alike when they just have a XXX number in front :) 09:58 thd Leader stops at position 23 :) but there are similar complexities. 09:58 kados hdl: here 09:56 hdl kados ? 09:54 thd Oops s/leader/008 09:50 thd kados: You have language for example. Language, leader positions 35-37, is mandatory and is the most reliable place to find the primary language of the work. Language code field 41 is used when applicable to supplement positions 35-37. Language note field 546 is optional and cannot be relied upon to appear even in national level records. 09:49 kados thd: and that's what the koha-zebra list is for 09:49 kados thd: and whether it's useful 09:49 kados thd: limit to material type to start with ... but I think the best thing to do would be to ask the Index Data folks if it's possible 09:45 thd kados: That is a a large task unless you want to limit it to material type to start with. 09:44 kados thd: and ask whether Zebra could do one? 09:44 kados yep ... could you post to koha-zebra a explaination of how a leader search would work 09:42 thd kados: 2 separate values from the leader in combination 09:42 kados I'm fairly certain Zebra could do that 09:42 kados yep ... not too hard to to 09:42 thd kados: material type can only reliably be determined from the leader and requires interpreting the encoded value of 2 positions together for very common cases. 09:41 kados and koha.leader=xxx could define materials or sth 09:40 kados yea so we could define a new namespace: koha.* 09:40 thd kados: I am asking about what tools would expose the maximum information in a MARC record for when that is useful. Especially information like what you had asked about, material type. 09:40 kados thd: yep ... it's fully extensible 09:40 kados have folks seen: http://www.google.com/ig 09:36 thd kados: Does CQL allow extension for searching on custom indexes as a new named search parameter? 09:32 kados erp ... search on the Index 09:32 kados 3. search on the indexer 09:32 kados 2. run the indexer 09:32 kados 1. define searchable fields and mappings, etc. 09:32 kados thd: it's a three stage proces: 09:32 kados thd: you'd have to setup the indexer to build an index on specific fields 09:31 thd kados: Is there a feature of Zebra that allows searching an index of any subfield? 09:24 kados if you can find Peter Binkley's Blog then I can't help you ;-) 09:23 kados http://blog.a9.com/blog/ maybe? 09:22 thd kados: your message mensions a blog without giving an exact name or URL. 09:21 kados thd: yea ;-) 09:21 thd kados: and past version 1.0 :) 09:20 kados (standing on the shoulders of giants and all that) 09:20 kados so in that way it's mature 09:20 kados thd: it's new as far as implementation ... it was created as a response to the pitfalls of Z39.50 Bib-1 and the limitations of Google-like syntax 09:17 thd kados: where is the blog? 09:17 thd kados: :) usually they are not the same 09:16 thd kados: now that I have read the message, CQL is new and mature? 09:11 kados might have info relevant to your email ... I'm not sure 09:11 thd kados: no I have not looked since late last night 09:10 kados thd: about Searching, etc. 09:10 kados thd: did you see my latest post to koha-devel? 09:10 kados great 09:10 thd kados: yes ther is much comment about that at great length in my almost finished email too you 09:09 kados it defines material types too right? 09:09 kados paul, thd it might actually be nice to use the leader for semantic distinctions 09:09 paul I think yaz too, but it works poorly under windows 09:07 thd What do MS Windows users of Koha generally use for a Z39.50 client? 09:05 paul and it's not really a bug (from a tech pov), as it's un-coded : what is coded works ! 09:05 paul the only thing is that I know the problem exists. 09:05 thd paul: You could say that it is symmetrical already if there is no bug :) 09:04 thd :-) 09:04 paul yes (at least if there is no bug ;-) ) 09:03 thd paul: Will MARC import and export will be symmetrical at last in 2.2.4? 09:03 thd paul: If systems used the leader and other control fields in the OPAC etc., their importance would be obvious. The contents is encoded so using the contents requires extra processing and imagination about what you can do with them. 08:59 thd paul: The leader is at least mandatory for valid records it is just that systems usually ignore the contents and so it seems unimportant. 08:57 thd :) 08:57 thd paul: The leader is the most imortant field. All the other data is lost without their leader? 08:56 paul rach don't know what to do today : stay or leave ;-) 08:55 kados hehe 08:55 paul (0.01USD guarantee, of course) 08:55 kados leader isn't a big deal either 08:55 kados cool 08:55 paul guaranteed. 08:55 paul no loss except for leader. 08:55 kados yes 08:55 paul you mean with 2.2.x ? 08:55 kados there might be data loss 08:55 kados and every time they edit a record 08:55 kados there might be data loss 08:54 kados is if I import a client's MARC records into Koha 08:54 kados one thing I always worry about 08:54 paul some wont work anymore & could not be used anymore 08:54 kados (I'm not sure exactly how it's done now) 08:54 kados paul: will the current MARC tools in Koha be rewritten to use it? 08:54 paul right. 08:53 kados paul: when we get the Zoom API it will hopefully simplify the management of MARC records 08:52 thd :) 08:52 paul (september) 08:52 paul 2.2.4 08:51 thd paul: When might leader importation be coming? 08:49 paul ;-) 08:49 paul that shows which subfields are used but "ignored" in framework & which are not "ignored" but never filled 08:49 thd paul: OK that helps me too understand better. 08:49 paul bulkmarcimport imports everything, and you can tune your framework after, using misc/migration_tools/check_marc_definition.pl 08:48 paul when you bulkmarcimport, you are on the way to migrate your datas. So your framework may be not finished. 08:48 thd paul: In either case they do not appear in biblio detail. 08:48 paul it's due to a weakness of Koha that I consider as a feature finally : 08:47 thd paul: If I import a record with bulkmarkimport I can import 001 and 008 even if they are not defined in the framework. Yet if I import with z39.50 daemon I cannot have 001 or 008 without their inclusion in the Koha MARC framework. 08:44 paul when you search "anywhere", you really search "anywhere". But when you look at biblio detail, you see only what you put in the framework ! 08:44 thd paul: your answer is logical but let me explain my confusion. 08:43 thd paul: I am confused by your answer. 08:42 paul yes but no : if we do like this, then you have data that you can search on, but not see them ! quite strange behaviour don't you agree ? 08:42 thd paul: Why does some importation such as bulkmarkimport read whatever fields are in the record while others such as z39.50 and MARC import from within the application only read fields included in the Koha MARC framework? I would have expected that they all would have called the same routine for the same function at some point in processing. 08:37 paul not yet available 08:37 paul management of the leader is on the way 08:36 thd paul: What can be done to have the leader imported as field 000 in bulkmarkimport.pl? Every other field is imported using bulkmarkimport.pl even if the field is not in the Koha MARC framework. 08:32 thd paul: yes I would have guessed that but then I am always finding the use of negative numbers for boolean values in some applications instead of just 0 and 1. 08:29 paul (yes item is lost for example) 08:29 paul 0 being "not", and anything else being "yes" 08:29 paul not sure but it's probably 0/1 08:29 thd paul: Do you kow what are the appropriate values for the integer (1) boolean columns in the items table such as items.itemlost or items.withdrawn? 08:27 paul seems unused. 08:27 thd paul: Were you able to discover anything about items.stack and items.binding? I had grepped the source myself a couple of days ago without finding any obvious answer. 07:45 kados paul: no ... power back to normal now 07:45 kados paul: hehe 07:42 paul à la question de 10H54 ? je ne sais pas 07:42 hdl paul : quelle réponse à osmoze ? 07:01 paul (no more power probkels ? 07:00 paul kados : calculate yourself which date is in 8 months & 4 days (beginning of 2nd quarter) 06:39 kados paul: is the logogle.com email a joke? 03:54 osmoze paul, quand je cherche un abonnement dans l intra, et que je clique sur details, dans n° parus, il me met que ceux en attente, et pas ce que j ai deja, es ce normal ? 03:28 osmoze yes 03:27 hdl osmoze : have you created supplier 03:27 osmoze en fait, il y a quelque chose que je comprend pas....Quand je lui dis par exemple que le 174 est arrive dans bulletin, dois-je ajouter un exemplaire ? 03:20 osmoze bon, je cherche un peu ^^ 03:20 osmoze j ai regarder, mais en fait, j arrive pas a faire rentrer un abonnement, je crée une notice normalement, ensuite j ajoute un abonnement, mais il doit y avoir une couffe dans ma config quand je rentre l abo car apres, ca me le prend en compte mais a l opac, il me dit qu il y en a pas 03:18 paul le bouton help ? 03:18 osmoze paul, y a t il quelque part un how to pour les periodiques ? J ai un peu de mal a faire fonctionner 03:02 thd paul: Do you kow what are the appropriate values for the integer (1) boolean columns in the items table? 03:01 paul (/me will look in a few minuts) 03:01 paul nope, sorry 03:01 thd paul: Do you know the function of items.stack and items.binding? 02:58 osmoze merci :) 02:57 paul jj/mm/aaaa 02:57 osmoze paul, dans le module de gestion des periodique, on nous demande une date de debut, si je met par exempe juin, il me le prend pas, sous quelle forme doit elle etre ? 02:54 osmoze thanks paul, i think it's my logo who was not in a good format :) 02:53 paul osmoze : you must type an address. Complete (ie, with http://...) 02:44 osmoze purhups it's my logo ... 02:42 osmoze with a url, there is nothing....But i search ^^ 02:39 thd osmoze: I had imagined it was a URL but have never tested the result. 02:38 thd osmoze: Cannot you determine the solution with a simple experiment? 02:36 osmoze do you know how to type address in parameter for logo ? it's the real path into the server or is the web adress ? 02:31 thd chris: What is the function of items.stack and items.binding? 02:22 chris it means her irc client has connected again, before the old connection has ping timedout 02:17 thd rach: What does it mean when Rachel becomes rach? 02:13 thd-away Rachel: What does it mean when rach becomes Rachel? 02:10 thd-away What is the function of items.stack and items.binding? 02:09 thd-away osmoze: hello 01:54 osmoze hello 16:26 rach inside pages should be fluid 16:26 rach default position is fluid - but if you need the homepage to be fixed width that is acceptable as long as you can justify it :-) 16:22 shaun koha.org 16:19 rach for what? 16:19 rach umm I need more context 16:13 shaun rach: fixed-width, fluid or max-width? 14:19 kados OK ... I'm off to solve what I hope is the last of the power problems at APL: a possible bad UPS 14:18 kados shaun: I wasn't 12:29 shaun kados: are you aware that the Katipo folk have decided to use opencms?