Time Nick Message 11:04 hdl No problem 10:59 paul (having a 1 year old baby in 2 weeks is hard to explain) 10:59 paul (sorry hdl if you didn't want to speak of this. But having 1 year old baby is hard to explain in 2 weeks ;-) ) 10:58 shaun ok, that makes more sense :-) 10:58 paul so adoption ;-) 10:58 shaun yep 10:58 paul adoption is an english word ? 10:56 paul (note that it makes waiting even harder...) 10:56 paul the good news for hdl is that he's wife will come back in 1 week with a baby ;-) 10:54 shaun hdl: and i thought i was having a tough time with my long distance relationship of 23 miles... O_o 10:51 hdl Can you imagine ??? 10:51 hdl In the end, the woman asked.... Are you angry ??? 10:50 hdl 2hrs with hotline this morning. 10:50 hdl Now the new one is ok without wifi... But I had many troubles with Internet connection and wanad@@@@!!! who uploads new configuration without noticing users. 10:48 hdl Unfortunately. One had a freeze. The other can't start X server.. Font problem. 10:48 paul both computer ? 10:47 hdl health is ok... But my love's at 3000 miles away, and my computers are in trouble 10:45 shaun excellent thanks, exams all over, should be able to do some kohaing tonight, you? 10:45 hdl how are you ? 10:44 shaun hi hdl 10:28 hdl hi shaun 06:15 hdl hi 02:45 FrancoisL ... et bien observé ! 02:44 FrancoisL C'est tjrs gentil... 02:44 paul ah, lui je le trouve de temps en temps excellent, mais j'ai du mal avec le fait de rire de quelqu'un qui ne sait pas qu'on se moque de lui. 02:44 FrancoisL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh 02:44 FrancoisL Ni Lafesse 02:44 paul => [] sort en courant par la fenêtre 02:44 paul ni mimi matthy 02:43 paul in pierre palmade si tu préfères cette comparaison. 02:43 FrancoisL Oh, lui ! 02:43 paul drole, pas vraiment, mais tu n'es pas muriel robin... 02:43 FrancoisL OK - je suis avec attention... 02:43 paul rien à en redire. par contre, je vais envoyer un mail sur koha-devel avec ce que hdl et moi allons développer soon. 02:43 FrancoisL Drôle ? 02:43 FrancoisL A coté de la plaque ? 02:42 FrancoisL Réaliste ? 02:42 FrancoisL QUe penses-tu de la dernière version du plan de dév' ? 02:42 FrancoisL Tout à fait d'ac' 02:42 paul mettre les faciles au début. 02:41 paul tiens, chtite remarque : il y a certaines choses faciles, et d'autres difficiles. 02:41 FrancoisL Sauf toi si ce n'est de coeur :) 02:41 hdl bonjour tout le monde ;) 02:41 paul comme c'est inattendu... 02:41 FrancoisL (flippent) 02:41 FrancoisL ... ils plippent un peu ! 02:41 paul tout le monde sauf moi ;-) 02:41 FrancoisL Analyse de la "matrice", organisation des développemnts... 02:41 FrancoisL Tout le monde + Roux-Fouillet 02:40 paul quel genre la "grosse réunion" ? 02:40 paul ;-) 02:40 paul trop de travail, même avec super hdl qui vient de pointer le bout de son clavier par ici. 02:40 FrancoisL Grosse réunion au SAN jeudi... 02:40 FrancoisL :) 02:40 paul je pars mercredi 02:40 paul yes. J'étais supposé etre en vacances, mais j'ai reporté de 3 jours. 02:39 FrancoisL SAlut Paul ! Ca va ? 02:39 paul hello francoisl 23:28 thd May has not happened yet in Georgia :( 23:27 thd "(Update: April 5, 2004. This demo has been discontinued. The next demo is due out in Mid-May. )" 23:23 thd does anyone have a copy of the Evergreen cataloging demo? http://open-ils.org/downloads/evergreen.txt 23:02 thd kados: happy holiday :) 23:01 chris cya kados 23:01 kados ok ... now it's officially a holiday ... I'm out ;-) 23:00 thd kados: of course some places, like the famous case of the San Francisco Public library move just destroy books without examination or trying to sell them 22:59 kados and by sollecction I mean collection ;-) 22:59 kados by 'our' I'm referring to Nelsonville's 22:59 kados thd: :-) 22:59 thd kados: not library books 22:58 kados I think we recently discovered that something like 40% of our AV sollecction is longoverdue or missing 22:58 thd kados: I have been a bookseller for almost two decades 22:58 kados hehe 22:58 thd kados: it should be 22:58 kados course that never stops some people ;-) 22:57 kados selling library books is a crime where I live ;-) 22:57 kados :-) 22:57 thd kados: to be honest, actually selling the items in the collection is my background 22:57 chris :) 22:57 kados but they never pick up that project ;-) 22:57 kados I tried to pass the buck to the ohio university students 22:57 chris moretime.pl 22:57 chris yeah 22:56 kados chris: it's one of those things we've been talking about for like three years ;-) 22:56 chris its issuing 22:56 kados :-) 22:56 chris i really should finish my curses interface again 22:56 thd kados: circulation is not my area of expertise 22:56 kados thd: proposals for how to lower the html overhead are welcome 22:55 mason kados: ive havent been on irc in ages, but i will have a look, thanks for the info 22:55 kados since you can control staff browser usage 22:55 thd chris: I hope for more open and flexible adaptable solutions than XUL 22:55 kados which in my view is fine 22:55 kados yea ... just the staff interface is tied to XUL 22:54 chris i reckon you could do a XUL koha circulations pretty easily 22:54 chris yep 22:53 thd kados: they have tied it tightly to mozilla using XUL. 22:51 thd :) 22:50 kados thd: 42.934% by my last count ;-) 22:50 thd kados: how much of PINES is C++, a language with which I have no experience? 22:49 kados mason: good group of hacker librarians there 22:49 kados mason: ever hang out on freenode.net #code4lib? 22:48 mason kados: yup about the library background 22:46 kados from what I understand -- I haven't looked at the code 22:46 kados yea 22:46 thd kados: is that the normalised title and author? 22:44 kados thd: based on adding the numeric value for the ascii string of title and author and comparning it to other records ... 22:44 thd kados: but since OCLC has all that good data, you could build something on top of the results fetched from XISBN after fetching the matching records 22:44 kados thd: PINES has a somewhat FRBRized method for deriving a super-record 22:43 kados thd: yep 22:43 kados mason: so chris tells me you've got a library background 22:42 thd kados: xisbn is an incomplete model because of the recency of ISBNs if for no others. 22:39 kados nope ;-) 22:39 mason hey kados, we havent had time to chat yet aye? 22:38 thd kind of disappointing to not have better reliable identification out of all the information in MARC records 22:38 kados hi there mason 22:37 kados yep ... sounds right 22:37 thd kados: OCLCs early experiments showed that the bibliographic information in their database only allowed for reliable identification at the work rather than the edition or manifestation level if I remember correctly. 22:36 chris yep 22:36 kados it's really tough to normalize a MARC record 22:36 kados :-) 22:36 chris its what happens when you let a compsci graduate design a library system 22:36 kados and an item being the physical item in the library 22:35 kados biblioitem being one manifestation of the work 22:35 chris its a much more normailised version of storing the data 22:35 kados biblio being the work 22:35 kados which is very similar to FRBR's scheme 22:34 kados biblio, biblioitem, and item 22:34 kados but they basically (still) consist of 22:34 kados thd: well the didn't support FRBR ... they predated it 22:34 thd kados: how did the orginal koha tables support FRBR? 22:33 thd kados: I am looking for tree displays like the one described as tree display at http://www.ovid.com/site/help/userguides/user_guide.html 22:32 kados basically a method for matching MARC records to each other to build the levels of FRBR 22:31 kados it doesn't look to complex to implement 22:31 kados if you reg you can download it 22:31 kados http://www.oclc.org/research/projects/frbr/algorithm.htm 22:31 kados did you have a look at the PDF? 22:30 chris yeah i saw that 22:30 chris heh 22:30 kados as it's kinda like the original Koha tables 22:30 kados thought you might be interested 22:30 kados chris there's a new FRBR algorithm just published by OCLC 22:29 kados yea ;-) 22:29 kados ahh 22:29 chris <ryanbisd:#koha> all I know is, follett quoted us around 100k to upgrade our system, 22:29 kados chris: 100K? 22:28 kados Genji: you around? 22:28 chris 100k US ... thats money for jam 22:28 kados thd: :-) 22:28 thd kados: well I just found a tree view for mambo. 22:27 ryanbisd later guys 22:23 indradg nice 22:23 kados I'll be making an announcement pretty soon 22:23 kados indradg: we're getting ready for some intensive Zebra discussions 22:22 kados indradg: but stick around ;-) 22:22 indradg i just got back from yet another sales trip 22:22 kados indradg: well ... nothing major in the last couple of days 22:22 indradg kados, anything major happening on #koha in the last couple of days? 22:21 ryanbisd 2 of those are middle schools and 1 highschool 22:21 ryanbisd 7 schools 22:21 ryanbisd Umm... im not sure... 22:21 kados annual circ? 22:21 kados how many items? 22:21 kados heh 22:21 kados then I'll do a public release of the software 22:21 ryanbisd all I know is, follett quoted us around 100k to upgrade our system, and renew the license we have with them 22:21 kados (license with IPrism expires in 60 days ;-)) 22:20 kados and we'll have the whole system running on Discriminet in about a month 22:20 kados we've got one box deployed as a test site 22:20 ryanbisd wow.. 22:20 kados which costs like 1.5K per year 22:20 thd kados: do you know if mambo has expandable tree views for supporting tree browsing as in Ovid's Medline/PubMed front end tool? 22:19 kados I wrote discriminet for NPL because we've been using IPrism 22:19 kados yea 22:19 ryanbisd which was both expensive, and a POS 22:19 ryanbisd we were using something called websense... 22:19 kados discriminet uses both 22:18 kados but useful when used together 22:18 ryanbisd right.. 22:18 kados completely different methods 22:18 kados it blocks by content 22:18 kados yea I know dansguardian 22:18 ryanbisd probably similar 22:18 kados squidguard's good for blocking by URL 22:18 ryanbisd its called dansgaurdian 22:18 ryanbisd not squidguard 22:17 kados squidguard too? 22:17 ryanbisd we have squid and dansgaurdian.. 22:17 ryanbisd its pretty cool... 22:17 ryanbisd we're setting up lines for all teachers 22:16 ryanbisd yeah... 22:16 kados ryanbisd: asterix is the shit of a PBX system, etc. 22:16 kados ryanbisd: sweet 22:16 kados but the modules weren't nearly as comprehensive and the community wasn't as supporte as well 22:15 ryanbisd or.. however you spell it. 22:15 ryanbisd we've installed asterix 22:15 kados at the time it's features were comparable 22:15 indradg hi 22:15 ryanbisd so, one piece at a time... 22:15 kados thd: that's one of the ones I compared with Mambo a while ago 22:15 ryanbisd BUT... since me and and another guy started in the dept... we've switched over to a lot of linux solutions 22:15 thd kados: have you used zope? 22:14 kados do they host it for you? 22:14 kados gotcha 22:14 ryanbisd thats cool, I know we still have a year left with the firstclass people.. 22:14 kados we use Mambo internally for our intranet as well as our customer support center 22:13 kados there are some really cool modules for mambo 22:13 kados the modules we've got running on LibLime are just a sampling 22:13 kados as well as a staff intranet 22:12 kados and would be a great way to run a website for a library 22:12 kados but Mambo's really a solid choice for CMS 22:12 kados cool ... we have been focusing so much on Koha and not so much on Mambo 22:12 ryanbisd looks good.. 22:12 kados ahh 22:12 kados what'd you think? 22:12 ryanbisd I sent the link to the boss man.. 22:11 ryanbisd yeah, I looked at them today 22:11 thd kados: they do have more than a few, there are just so many now, as you said 22:11 kados ryanbisd: have you seen LibLime's Mambo demos? 22:11 kados :-) 22:11 ryanbisd its the worst 22:11 ryanbisd I hate it.. 22:10 kados yea ... like firstclass isn't even listed ;-) 22:09 thd http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ not all information is complete or up to date 22:09 kados at first glance I'd say Mambo has quite a bit more to offer 22:08 kados as well as add-on modules 22:08 kados last year I did a sort of survey of ILSes and found that Mambo was the best one in terms of functions and community support 22:07 ryanbisd its what we use.... I think is pretty much school oriented 22:07 ryanbisd http://www.firstclass.com/ 22:07 kados it's impossible to keep up 22:07 kados ryanbisd: there are so many CMSes out there 22:07 kados ryanbisd: First Class? never heard of it 22:07 kados thd: the Feb thing is ILSes ;-) 22:07 kados thd: they've been doing a bunch of surveys on thing in libraries 22:07 ryanbisd oh yeah, Kados... is Mambo comparable to First Class? 22:06 thd kados: do they do such a survey regularly? 22:06 kados thd: and was guaranteed that Koha would be listed 22:05 kados thd: not yet ... but I filled out the survey 22:05 thd kados: so you have the preprint? 22:04 kados thd: coming in the Feb issue of Computers in Libraries ;-) 22:04 thd perhaps a comparison chart with other ILS systems, to show the equivalence of Koha 22:01 chris heh 22:01 kados just code chris ;-) 22:01 kados heh 22:01 chris lord knows you dont want me writing stuff 22:00 chris we need more volunteer writers 22:00 kados yep 22:00 chris and try and keep it up to date 22:00 chris we probably should write one 22:00 ryanbisd hahahahaha 22:00 kados ryanbisd: I don't have a comprehensive list of features that I can just pull out of my ass unfortunately 21:59 ryanbisd its the other people.. 21:59 kados ryanbisd: (maybe a bit of an over statement ;-)) 21:59 ryanbisd Im already sold... 21:59 kados ryanbisd: Koha is much more advanced than follett in every way ;-) 21:59 chris so anyone who knows a bit of sql,and has the access .. can build any report they want 21:59 kados ryanbisd: also ... doing linked subject searches is very possible ;-) 21:59 ryanbisd we're using follett 21:59 ryanbisd is there anyway you could email me a list of what all is possible with koha.... so I can answer and nip in the bud any doubts they ahve 21:58 kados ryanbisd: Koha can probably generate reports your current ILS couldn't even imagine doing ;-) 21:58 chris the other thing that koha has .. is that we dont hide the data 21:58 kados ryanbisd: esp with the new report module 21:58 kados ryanbisd: the reports visible are just a fraction of the reports possible 21:58 kados ryanbisd: hmmm ... about the circ reports 21:57 chris i think there is a bit of the too good to be true element 21:57 chris yep 21:57 thd chris: thats a universal caution for everyone :) 21:57 chris thats probably being a bit harsh 21:57 chris change :) 21:56 thd chris: what are NZ libraries cautious about? 21:56 kados nope ... didnt' see it ... not up with the logs ;-) 21:56 ryanbisd ohh... I posted it in here 21:56 kados ryanbisd: on koha-devel? 21:55 kados ryanbisd: I dont' see an email from you today 21:55 ryanbisd title? 21:55 chris they tend to be pretty cautious :) 21:55 chris which should help more nz libraries see the benefits 21:55 kados ryanbisd: title? 21:55 ryanbisd I did you see the email I posted earlier? 21:55 kados ryanbisd: yea? 21:54 chris we are doing the second public library in NZ at the moment 21:54 ryanbisd Kados... 21:54 thd spot the building with the koha server :) 21:53 kados maybe using google maps 21:53 kados yep 21:53 chris we might need to zoom in even more 21:53 kados howdy chris 21:53 kados hopefully the new website map won't be limited in that way ;-) 21:52 chris no room for any more dots 21:52 chris problem is .. they are all in wellington :) 21:52 chris at least 21:52 chris one we are working on now .. but there are 2 other libraries that run koha that arent on that map 21:51 chris new zealand itself needs to be updated 21:50 thd chris: I was suprised to find so few in absolute terms on your map near New Zealand. 21:46 thd chris: as well they should be :) 21:46 chris as people tend to be proud and report those 21:46 chris i think we have *most* of the ones in production 21:45 chris since if you google around .. you find koha opacs that arent listed 21:45 chris my guyess is lots 21:45 chris hard to know 21:45 thd chris: how compete is the map at http://koha.org/about/map/index.html ? I do undrstand that there is no reporting obligation for using Koha. How much do you think is missing? 21:12 rach hi - I'm just passing through - on a deadline for a quote at the moment 21:12 Genji hiya ythere rach! 21:10 ryanbisd cool.. 21:08 rach if it helps 21:07 rach http://www.katipo.co.nz/solutions/koha/pricing.html 21:07 ryanbisd right. 21:06 rach that generally includes some customisation or a server 21:06 rach which is about $3500 mabe US at current exchange rates 21:06 chris and heres one now :) 21:06 chris the project managers deal with that ;) 21:06 rach I'm not sure how big your library is - but we start around $5000 NZ for a smallish private library 21:06 chris i dont actually know myself 21:05 thd thd: I have no such services, chris, you are the only one paying attention to ask. 21:05 ryanbisd ahh... 21:04 chris i dont think we have one .. it all depends on the size of the library 21:04 chris ummm 21:04 ryanbisd I mean... just a general figure. 21:04 ryanbisd yeah 21:03 chris who katipo? 21:02 ryanbisd how much do you guys charge to convert and setup a sytem? 21:01 chris (its all still stored in marc, it just doesnt bombard the librarians with it) 21:01 chris would be good to have one with marc turned off too 20:58 thd ryanbisd: ask kados about mambo he had been busy with his ALA convention contacts earlier 20:57 ryanbisd do you guys do the mambo thing? 20:57 ryanbisd wow... 20:56 thd ryanbisd: I am conspiring with kados for doing something with a library more than an order of magnitude larger. 20:55 thd ryanbisd: circa 350,000 20:55 ryanbisd how many books? 20:55 thd ryanbisd: the Nelsonville Public Library in Ohio 20:53 thd chris: there sould be a demo configured for marc and a demo configured for unimarc as long as we cannot have both in one 20:53 ryanbisd whats the big library thats using koha? 20:51 thd chris: exactly, the demo convinced me Koha was well worth watching years ago, despite misconfiguration and fewer features at the time :) 20:49 chris probably should just drop the db and reload 20:49 chris ppl put claggy data in as well 20:49 thd chris: rather than killing the demo, just reset the configuration values at some announced interval. 20:45 thd ryanbisd: Thr example at www.liblime.com has not been mucked up badly yet, although, kados disabled Z39.50 searches on the demo. 20:45 chris http://koha.org/about/map/index.html 20:44 ryanbisd where is the map, with eveyone who is using koha? 20:44 chris we should probably just kill it, and have screen shots instead 20:43 chris ppl keep swithcing to old templates 20:42 chris its not that old, but the not configured is true 20:42 ryanbisd haha 20:42 thd ryanbisd: That one is very old and has not been configured correctly for years :) 20:42 chris so they monkey in systempreferences and make a mess :) 20:41 chris the problem with the testdrive is that people can play with it 20:41 ryanbisd the testdrive 20:41 ryanbisd the one on the koha website 20:41 thd ryanbisd: What example of the "website/software" did the librarian look at? 20:41 chris but heres where koha comes into its own 20:40 chris and some useful reports, like overdues, daily stats 20:40 chris with reports ... there is built in reporting tool 20:40 chris so probably closer to 2.4 million 20:39 chris renewals are only being counted once 20:39 chris at least 20:38 chris 2188689 issues 20:38 chris and has done 20:38 chris the original Koha install has been running for 5.5 years now ryan 20:37 chris where you can just click on a subject 20:37 chris http://opac.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=25741 20:37 chris or 20:36 Genji sorry. 20:36 Genji http://genjimoto.is-a-geek.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=1149 20:36 ryanbisd link doesnt work 20:35 Genji http://opac.genjimoto.is-a-geek.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=1149 20:35 chris sure can 20:35 ryanbisd yes. 20:35 ryanbisd so, it can do all those things? 20:35 chris im assuming they are talking about koha ryan? 20:35 ryanbisd huh? 20:34 Genji my sidebar implementation in css/en 20:34 Genji yup. that linked subject search is in the cvs head, right now. 20:34 chris perhaps they arent aware of the fact its running 4 public libraries already 20:34 chris ahh they didnt look hard enough 20:33 ryanbisd ht. Maybe in the future, it will become a more viable option. 20:33 ryanbisd uch do not exist. Ex: monthly circulation reports, overdue book reports, and reports that help us "clean up" our records. I think this is great for organizations that do not have the circulations or collections (nor the need for a multi-purpose powerful system) we have, but I honestly think that it does not meet our needs. I believe it would be taking a giant step backward from where we currently are. Sorry! the price is certainly rig 20:33 ryanbisd I looked briefly at this website/software. I found a couple of things that got my attention. Such as, patrons may not do a linked subject search. Ex: I look up the title of a book I loved and the subject shows as "friendship." I can then link to all other books in the library on friendship (very useful to the students!). Also, when I looked up reports, they only have two options which are "daily reports." All others that we rely on so m 20:33 ryanbisd here is what a librarian told my director.. he sent it to me in an email 20:24 ryanbisd but, the part time work I do, they have a hard enough time with windows, I couldnt imagine switching them over to something else 20:23 ryanbisd I hate windows too... 20:23 ryanbisd thats cool.. 20:18 kados so no idea on that one 20:18 kados haven't used windows for a while 20:18 ryanbisd sorry 20:18 ryanbisd ohhh... I was explaing a problem I was having with samba... 20:18 kados ntsysv will help you decide which programs to start when you're booting 20:17 kados huh ... 19:39 ryanbisd and allow guests 19:39 ryanbisd eventhough I have security = share 19:39 ryanbisd BUT... if I connect to the coputer via \\ip-address\sharename it allows me to connect to the share, but I hav e to enter a username and PW 19:38 ryanbisd and time out when I click to them 19:38 ryanbisd the computer and share sometimes show up in the network neighborhood... sometimes not 19:33 ryanbisd If I take a windows 2000 pdc out of the network, will that cause Samba to ask for the username and PW or not let the samba shares work correctly, if the clients are stll logging into the domain? 19:33 ryanbisd I am having a problem with my samba shares...... 19:33 ryanbisd ? 19:31 kados ryanbisd: check out ntsysv 19:31 kados " 19:07 ryanbisd haha.... cool. 19:07 thd ryanbisd: If that is fedora question I would not be much help to you either : / 19:04 ryanbisd if I want a service to start on startup, i do 'chkconfig service add' correct? 18:45 ryanbisd cool... 18:43 thd ryanbisd: I have found people in Germany or wherever will help on a channel with fewer members when people in the US are too busy or have too many messages flashing by to notice. 18:40 ryanbisd yeah... 18:40 thd ryanbisd: Did you see my post about http://searchirc.com/ 18:39 thd ryanbisd: If it makes you then there may an additional configuration overriding your configuration. But I do not know samba. 18:39 ryanbisd I think its because the 2000 server that it was using, was also the pdc for the other machines..so, eventhough they login to themselves, there is nothing controlling them anymore 18:37 ryanbisd it just makes me "login" to the share, when I have it configured to not do that.. 18:37 ryanbisd I can get to the share.. 18:36 ryanbisd I changed from a windows file server to fedora.. 18:36 ryanbisd this is for a job I do part time... 18:36 ryanbisd I havent been to the office yet... 18:36 thd ryanbisd: Did you solve your samba problem? 16:20 thd ryanbisd: another hint for IRC is to use http://searchirc.com/ to find a less heavily trafficked channel for asking questions. There may be fewer people to answer as the heavy traffic lists when the US users are asleep but you can attract more attention to your question and maybe nicer people, when the friendly people in Europe, Africa, Asia, and Oceania are awake. 16:11 thd ryanbisd: you might have missed the koha users list if you had only seen the sourceforge lists http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha . 16:04 thd ryanbisd: koha does not have very many regular progmmers but does have very large user pool willing to help. 15:59 ryanbisd i need to get 1 school up and going online, then maybe I could convince the boss man. 15:59 ryanbisd right... 15:58 thd ryanbisd: it need not necessarily take a lot when everyone pools their resources. 15:56 ryanbisd we're a school district..... not a lot of money to use.... 15:56 thd ryanbisd: fantastic, that is even better 15:56 ryanbisd if his code is good, and you guys wanna use it 15:55 ryanbisd see, and there is a programmer that works with me, that can help out for that too.. 15:54 thd ryanbisd: as kados suggested supporting features you want helps. Koha will get them eventually, they just happen faster and better when there are particular users behind them. 15:52 ryanbisd haha... that was vague.. 15:52 ryanbisd hopefully we can helpout in whatever 15:52 ryanbisd awesome... 15:52 thd ryanbisd: koha is very good and kados will be making an announcement any day now about how it will soon be much better. 15:49 ryanbisd and hopefully that will persuade him to let me do them all. 15:48 ryanbisd I am going to set up one school.... and show my boss. 15:48 ryanbisd im pretty excited about getting koha up and running... 15:48 thd ryanbisd: You have to be fearless :) 15:48 ryanbisd yeah.... 15:48 thd ryanbisd: paractice or experiment on a machine where it does not matter if you break some software. 15:46 ryanbisd but, im learning to rely on them more too 15:46 ryanbisd my problem is.... the docs or man pages are cryptic to me... 15:46 ryanbisd yeah... 15:45 thd ryanbisd: be careful about asking questions, especially on heavy traffic lists or channels, without making the best attempt to find the answer in documentation or Google first. You might find yourself ignored when the IRC channel or listserve is your only source for an answer later. 15:37 thd ryanbisd: I am also relatively new to using IRC and have not investigated a spelling checker for my posts. 15:36 ryanbisd haha... just noticed that.. 15:35 thd ryanbisd: and then finding someone like me using 'thechnical' when you searched for 'technical' is difficult. 15:34 ryanbisd haha.. 15:33 thd ryanbisd: we need a good thesuarus of thechnical description. Its a basic LIS problem. 15:33 ryanbisd im slowly figuring things out... 15:33 thd ryanbisd: you have to experiment with possible terminology 15:32 ryanbisd I know.... haha... 15:32 thd ryanbisd: the wrong wording will not get good answers from google or listserves either 15:31 ryanbisd so, I dont really know how to word the questions right sometimes.. 15:31 ryanbisd Im pretty new to this... 15:31 thd ryanbisd: if you ask when the US traffic jam is asleep you can get more attention 15:31 ryanbisd yeah... 15:30 thd ryanbisd: research the questions well in advance though 15:30 ryanbisd cool... 15:29 thd ryanbisd: Ask very specific questions that someone finds interesting and you can get answers even with heavy traffic 15:28 thd ryanbisd: It can be difficult on heavy traffic lists to have any attention 15:27 ryanbisd you guys are a little more friendly though... :) 15:27 ryanbisd yeah, Im on there :) 15:27 thd ryanbisd: irc.freenode.net /join #samba 15:23 thd ryanbisd: not me :) 15:23 ryanbisd know much about samba? 15:23 thd ryanbisd: hello 15:19 ryanbisd howdy guys.. 12:11 thd kados: ok, go back to work. 12:11 thd kados: to prove it by coding we shold have a supporting model for zebra and MARC::record first. 12:10 kados me gets back to work ;-) 12:10 kados thd: Stephen and I have a presentation on using open source tools for technical services later this year 12:09 kados thd: NPL may also be interested 12:09 thd :) 12:09 kados thd: I have a couple of clients I've talked to about it 12:08 thd kados: do you have any leads who want to sponser a catloguing module to die for? 12:08 kados My goal is to have a draft of the roadmap ready for the middle of next week 12:08 kados :-) 12:08 kados for now I've got to get back to ALA lead card stuff 12:07 kados I'll be explaining the desired functions in my 2.4/3.0 roadmap 12:07 thd kados: There was a complaint about js in the intranet recently where someone needed remote access over ssh for administration but that probably had nothing to do with cataloguing. 12:06 paul acceptable need, because the librarian interface is used by a limited & known number of ppl 12:06 kados and I got some really good ideas for how to improve the tools that they currently use 12:06 paul thd : in fact, in librarian interface, in 2.2.x, you need mozilla/firefox. IE does not work well. 12:06 kados before I left for ALA I had a three hour meetin with the NPL cataloging team 12:05 kados yep ... hence I believe in using js ;-) 12:05 thd kados: you need js for client side :) 12:05 kados thd: as a fail-safe measure 12:04 kados thd: while leaving support for non-compliant browsers 12:04 kados thd: I believe in using javascript for improving interfaces 12:04 kados thd: and for those that don't reload the page 12:04 kados thd: for browsers that support that function 12:04 kados thd: it's much better to do it client side 12:04 kados thd: perhaps ... but those page reloads take a long time 12:03 thd kados: a non js link or button should be able to do the same as js if it fetches again from the server 12:03 kados in editable fields 12:03 kados and displays all the populated tags/subfields 12:03 kados is a tool that grabs a marc record 12:02 kados what I think we want 12:02 kados I can't think of another way to allow dynamic creation of repeatable subfield entries 12:02 thd kados: a good set of defaults where even the standard common use fields are fetched as separate pages. 12:00 thd kados: you should not need javascript. 12:00 kados thd: so shouldn't we just have an extensible cataloging page?