Time Nick Message 11:10 sylvain what about the user manueal projet ? When is it previewed to be released ? 11:08 sylvain I really must look this new function ;) 11:08 hdl Richard Bachmann is also known as Stephen King... 11:08 hdl ;) 11:08 hdl This will do the job 11:07 hdl Sure, But If you want only Richard Bachmann books, how can you make it out ? 11:07 sylvain but it's sure that's it's easier not to have to define autorities 11:07 sylvain yes hdl but if the person is an authority you can also :) 11:07 hdl IF the fields link and seealso are well informed. 11:06 hdl If you would like to get all the books that one person has collaborate to, you can with clicking on this glass. 11:05 hdl sylvain : the difference is that it can be used on simple 200f MARC field for instance. 10:55 sylvain but I must admit that I 'haven't tried this function so maybe I dismiss 10:54 owen Not a common use? What would you consider a common use? The subject -> author link you described? 10:54 sylvain yes paul but when there's a thesaurus, isn't it a "double-emploi" ? 10:54 sylvain bonjour paul en effet 10:54 paul it also works without. 10:53 paul (sylvain : bonjour) 10:53 paul sylvain : the most common use is with thesaurus. But it does not rely on thesaurus 10:53 paul (but that's not a common use I agree) 10:52 owen Can you put more than one tag in the link? 10:52 paul yes. 10:52 owen You edit the link for the author tag, and link it to another kind of search, like a subject search? 10:52 owen So, say you have an author... 10:52 sylvain (autorités) 10:52 owen Hmm... I'm still a little confused 10:52 sylvain paul, what's the difference with thesaurus ? 10:51 paul (default template) 10:51 paul in marcsubfieldstructure.pl 10:50 paul 'victor hugo' is the subject of the book, but when you clic on 'victor hugo', if you have put '200f' in link, you search for book FROM victor hugo 10:50 owen Where do you enter the link? 10:50 paul for example, for libraries that have authors as subject. 10:50 owen ? 10:49 paul sometimes you can find interesting to search on a field that is not 'himself'. 10:49 paul then, when you clic on the glass, you search for all biblios from this publisher 10:48 paul if you put a '210a' in link 10:48 paul in unimarc, publisher is in 210$a 10:48 paul for example : 10:48 paul if you want to have a small glass before the field value, just enter something here. It means "do a search on this value on the (marc) field in <link>" 10:47 owen Please! 10:47 paul yes, I can. 10:47 owen Can anyone tell me how the 'link' function works in opac-MARCdetail? 10:26 thd thd holds breath until tomorrow 10:26 kados thd: so stay tuned 10:26 kados thd: I'm doing an announcement tomorrow about it 10:25 kados thd: well that's something that indexdata's not doing for us ... they are more of a consultant on how to do it best 10:24 thd kados: having Zebra fully integrated into Koha 10:23 kados thd: timeframe for what? 10:21 thd kados: What time frame did you discuss with Index Data? 10:12 thd kados: I do not know about keystone vs. webfeat at UNT 10:11 thd thd: I quickly discovered the limit of MODS type mappings, lacking an element to element correspondence with MARC. Using MARC::Record will be fantastic though. I am very happy, indeed :] 10:07 thd kados: before there were tools like MARC::Record or even MARC-SGML if you remember that I had to write my own equivalent to MODS and found that much preferable as a text model to using a relational database. 10:03 thd kados: I am happy now :-] 10:03 kados thd: yep 10:03 thd kados: oh yes, insert delete, etc. on the record itself. :) 10:01 kados thd: MARC::Record ;-) 10:00 thd kados: yes but the catalog module needs to work with data parsed in some fashion 10:00 kados statuses and such 10:00 kados it's much better at factual data 10:00 kados SQL isn't really good at dealing with textual data 09:59 kados s/the/that/ 09:59 kados but we're actually moving away from the model 09:59 kados interesting ... 09:59 thd kados: they are studying the usage of MARC fields and have a mapping of MARC in MYSQL 09:58 kados thd: isn't north texas the site that recently went with indexdata's keystone instead of webfeat? 09:58 kados thd: :-) 09:58 kados thd: or on a data model for dealing with marc? 09:58 thd :) 09:57 kados thd: they have a 200K grant to work on Koha? 09:57 thd kados: no, but there is some work at the University of North Texas, they have a $200,000 grant. 09:55 kados thd: yep ... any suggestions? 09:55 thd kados: you had briefly suggested that the MARC record would be stored as a single entity for Zebra. Wouldn't you still need a data model that dealt properly with all the record fields, indicators, and subfields for editing a record and creating a new record? 09:37 ryanbisd thanks 09:36 kados scp is what you're looking for 09:36 kados yea 09:36 ryanbisd Now... can I move that one .tar file between the systems without ftp? like thru ssh? 09:35 ryanbisd cool.. 09:35 kados try the man pages 09:35 kados ryanbisd: right ... well you'd have to look at the docs ... but I suspect it does them at the same time as it archives them 09:35 ryanbisd insert "tar" 09:35 ryanbisd I want to them up, and put them on the new file server... 09:34 ryanbisd reason being.. I set up a small file server on a computer, but the files are 9 gigs, and I only used a small 10 gig HD so if I tar it up.. it will exceed disk space 09:33 ryanbisd alrght... so, the syntax I used worked, but... does it delete them as its making the .tar, or after? 09:32 osmoze ++ 09:29 kados but it might work with your shell 09:29 kados that's not the default tar syntax IIRC 09:29 kados hmmm ... 09:28 ryanbisd oh... 09:28 ryanbisd so, it would be "tar -cvz /dir > dir.tgz --remove-files 09:27 kados oughta do the trick 09:27 kados tar even ;-) 09:27 kados ar -cvzf --remove-files foo.tgz directoryname 09:27 kados so probably something like 09:26 kados there's a --remove-files option 09:25 kados :-) 09:25 kados sure is 09:22 ryanbisd to save HD space more or less.. 09:21 ryanbisd is there a way to tar a whole dir, and its sub dirs... but, as its creating the tar file, it deletes the original files and dirs? 09:20 kados shoot away 09:18 ryanbisd actually... I do have a question, but its about tar.... 09:17 ryanbisd so, no questions really.... just bowsing. 09:17 ryanbisd Not at work today... 09:16 ryanbisd `ha... 09:16 owen ;) 09:16 owen Uh oh, it's ryanbisd! Everyone look busy!! 09:15 ryanbisd good morning! 09:12 paul hello owen 09:12 owen Hi paul 08:34 owen No problem. 08:33 hdl for changing topic. 08:33 owen Hi 08:33 hdl many thx 08:33 hdl hi owen. 05:22 sylvain hi 04:24 osmoze je vais essayer de voir avec une nouvelle version, c est peut etre ma version, ou ma conf :( 04:24 osmoze GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) 04:24 osmoze hum... 04:23 paul (bien) 04:23 paul bash fonctionne bie d'hab 04:22 osmoze ou un autre ? 04:22 osmoze zsh ? 04:22 osmoze il faut utiliser quoi ? 04:22 paul c'est un pb de shell 04:22 osmoze etc etc, il y a pas quelque chose pour que cela ne prennent pas en compte l effacement 04:22 paul salut js. 04:22 osmoze du type 'B[ 04:21 osmoze une question, lors de l installation de la 2.0 si lors des demandes de l installateur on modifie en effacant, ca mets par la suite dans les conf de koha par exemple des symboles tout bizarre 04:19 osmoze bonjour paul 01:41 rach hello 01:39 osmoze hello 20:46 ryanbisd hahah 20:46 rach we could set up the infobot, see if he can answer them for ya :-) 20:44 chris heh 20:43 ryanbisd yeah... you guys are gonna turn the IRC channel off, thats how many questions I can forsee me asking 20:37 russ cool 20:37 chris we kinda covered the email on irc already 20:33 ryanbisd but, thats cool that you are the same guy. 20:33 ryanbisd thats cool.. I found this place soon after, so I asked in here. 20:32 russ ryan - can you tell me where you got my email addy from please? just interested to know 20:30 russ i flicked your email onto chris to have a look at 20:30 russ yes it is 20:30 russ hi ryan 20:30 ryanbisd would this be the same russ I emailed? 20:23 russ hi 20:20 ryanbisd trying to learn as much as possible 20:19 ryanbisd thats cool, me too.... but, mine is more self imposed 20:19 ryanbisd haah... 20:12 kados pretty much even 20:12 kados ryanbisd: retty much 19:51 ryanbisd kados, do you work 24/7? 19:47 Genji is there a maximum length for a 3 of 9 barcode? 18:21 kados bug 1000 is up for grabs ;-) 17:38 kados etc etc. 17:38 kados so you'll find multiple barcodes if you have multiple items fora given record 17:38 kados are repeatable 17:37 kados but basically the 952 tag subfields (where barcodes will usually be) 17:37 kados (or you could just get a marc editor ;-)) 17:37 kados then see if you can match the barcode string in the marc record 17:36 kados find a few barcodes that you have marc records for 17:36 kados (the follett one) 17:36 kados search on your catalog 17:36 kados thing to do is 17:36 kados 952, 942 17:36 kados yea ... usually barcodes are somewhere in 900s 17:35 ryanbisd possibly... Im not sure. 17:35 kados that could be a barcode 17:35 kados 85040382 17:35 kados hmmm 17:34 kados _pT0005903 17:34 kados lemme check 17:34 kados ryanbisd: if they aren't importable via bulkmarcimport (and theyshould be by the looks of them) you can use MARC::Lint to clean them up 17:33 ryanbisd the barcodes? 17:33 ryanbisd can you tell if it has 17:33 ryanbisd so they will work.... 17:33 kados :-) 17:33 kados yep ... those are marc records ;-) 17:32 ryanbisd she just sent me a few marc records... 17:32 ryanbisd I dont have access to the server right now, but will try and get access tonight or tomorrow... 17:32 ryanbisd I sent them to you.. 17:31 kados it's in misc/migration_tools iirc 17:30 kados and see if your records import right 17:30 kados ryanbisd: is try to run bulkmarcimport 17:30 kados ryanbisd: but really ... what you should do 17:30 kados jmf at liblime.com 17:30 kados send them to me 17:30 kados no 17:29 ryanbisd send them to the email for the irc? 17:29 kados :-) 17:29 chris ahh good man kados :) 17:29 kados ryanbisd I'll take a look 17:28 ryanbisd is that on the website? 17:28 chris you could post a sample of it to the koha-devel list, im sure someone on there could tell you 17:28 chris hmm 17:26 ryanbisd can somone look at the marc records that I have, and see if they are compatable? 17:22 chris woo hoo ryan 17:12 ryanbisd woohoo! 17:12 ryanbisd lib.burlesonisd.net 17:12 ryanbisd http://lib-intra.burlesonisd.ne 17:09 kados hi rach 17:03 ryanbisd Hey guys, Im back.. and i have some marc records for you guys to look at if you can 16:52 owen now I'm off again - back in 15 hours 16:27 rach and now I'm off out again - back in a couple of hours 16:26 thd- :) 16:22 rach hello 16:18 Ryanbisd thanks for all your help. 16:18 Ryanbisd will be back on later... 16:11 Ryanbisd so, when I get the marc records from the highschool... how do i load those just into the HS part? 16:09 owen /cgi-bin/koha/admin/branches.pl 16:08 Ryanbisd where in the parameters menu do I setup branches? 16:08 Ryanbisd but, its centrally maintained 16:07 Ryanbisd seperate, in how it can seperate what books and how many are at the different schools 16:07 Ryanbisd like what koha does... 16:07 owen separate in what way? 16:06 Ryanbisd we are wanting to use koha to make them combined, but seperate 16:06 shaun ah i see what you mean, sorry 16:06 Ryanbisd no, what im saying is... .right now.. .each individual school is seperate 16:05 shaun not entirely - the branches share the database of resources, but you can change the location of the resources 16:04 Ryanbisd each branch is its own seperate entity 15:57 owen You'll have to map the branch information in your current database to the branches you set up in Koha 15:57 Ryanbisd will I have to do that with each individual book? 15:56 shaun branches - one of koha's specialities 15:56 owen You have to set up branches in Parameters 15:56 Ryanbisd another question I have... which really is more important later, is... how do I seperate each school..... so when a book is looked up, it says what school has what 15:55 Ryanbisd as soon as she sends me some marc records, I can let you guys look at them 15:53 Ryanbisd but when she exports it thru marc magician, it still has it. 15:53 Ryanbisd the librarian was saying that they were done by follett.... 15:50 shaun anybody else around who can help with that? i'm not sure about how koha manages barcodes in bulkmarcimport 15:50 owen Ryanbisd, barcode may not be included with MARC records, because barcodes are often classified as item information 15:48 Ryanbisd sorry 15:48 Ryanbisd Im just brain fried today... 15:48 Ryanbisd thats what I meant 15:48 shaun marc32 - are you sure? i have googled a bit for that but can't find it - sure it's not MARC21 as kados suggested earlier? 15:47 Ryanbisd barcode included? 15:46 Ryanbisd marc32 15:46 shaun that's a script, which gets all your marc data from a file and imports it - assuming the data is in one of the two marc formats koha supports 15:46 Ryanbisd an that has the barcode included... 15:46 Ryanbisd awesome... 15:45 shaun if you can get marc data out, koha will be able to import it with a bulkmarcimport 15:44 Ryanbisd hello? 15:40 Ryanbisd the librarian said she can export them with that program 15:39 Ryanbisd or, have them generated with Marc Magician 15:39 Ryanbisd what aboiut if I get them out with marc magician? 15:12 owen kados wasn't kidding when he said Follett may charge you to get them out 15:10 Ryanbisd which no one seems to know 15:10 Ryanbisd Now, I just have to find out where are current marc records, and barcodes are located 15:10 Ryanbisd yup... 15:09 owen Any luck, Ryanbisd? 14:51 shaun you can find the un/pw to use in /etc/koha.conf 14:48 owen Should have happened during the install process, I think 14:46 Ryanbisd I suspose I have to create a login 14:46 Ryanbisd alright.... 14:45 owen Ryanbisd: log in ;) 14:44 slef town 14:43 Ryanbisd I am at the login screen 14:43 Ryanbisd BTW... you I wanna thank you guys in advance for helpin me out.. im pretty rough around the edges 14:43 slef ping 14:43 Ryanbisd sure. 14:43 owen You want the Parameters link 14:42 Ryanbisd im there 14:37 owen You're looking for something like http://your-koha-installation:8080/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl 14:37 owen intranet is the librarian's side 14:36 Ryanbisd I am at the opac-main 14:36 owen OPAC is the public side 14:36 Ryanbisd ok.. wait.. 14:36 Ryanbisd or, the users side? 14:36 Ryanbisd is the opac the studens side? 14:36 Ryanbisd yeah 14:36 kados Ryanbisd: using default templates? 14:36 Ryanbisd no. 14:35 owen Are you in the OPAC right now? 14:35 Ryanbisd Im not in the right place. 14:33 shaun Preferences? Koha Administration? Parameters? Settings? that's what they are in the templates 14:33 Ryanbisd I see the librian screen 14:32 Ryanbisd dont see it.. 14:32 kados Ryanbisd: you'll see the admin link 14:32 Ryanbisd there 14:32 kados Ryanbisd: go to the intranet 14:32 kados Ryanbisd: yes 14:32 Ryanbisd is there not just a general Koha Admin screen or anything? 14:31 Ryanbisd to change the different options and such. 14:31 shaun what do you mean, to edit koha? 14:30 Ryanbisd or, is that all command line? 14:30 Ryanbisd to edit koha... 14:30 Ryanbisd yes.. 14:28 shaun Parameters in the intranet? or am i thinking of a different admin? 14:23 Ryanbisd how do i get to the admin part of koha? 13:34 kados thd: thanks :-) 13:33 Ryanbisd im being retarded 13:33 thd kados: good luck 13:33 Ryanbisd nevermind... 13:33 kados Ryanbisd: ? 13:32 kados thd: thanks! 13:32 Ryanbisd where did you send it/ 13:31 thd kados: you should have the email now 13:30 Ryanbisd haha... really? 13:27 kados :-) 13:26 kados and you'll need to pay follett a few thousand dollars to remove one garbage line somewhere that cripples the utility 13:26 kados there's probably a sabatoged marc export utility somewhere 13:26 kados heh 13:26 Ryanbisd man, everything is @ss backwards here... I dont even know where the marc records are stored for the campusus.. 13:22 kados which is mainly used in France 13:22 kados probably not UNIMARC 13:22 kados Ryanbisd: probably USMARC (aka MARC21 aka iso2709) 13:21 Ryanbisd or, if Im going to import them, do I choose a Marc record type during the initial install? 13:10 Ryanbisd what kind of marc records does follett use?