Time Nick Message 13:10 Ryanbisd what kind of marc records does follett use? 13:21 Ryanbisd or, if Im going to import them, do I choose a Marc record type during the initial install? 13:22 kados Ryanbisd: probably USMARC (aka MARC21 aka iso2709) 13:22 kados probably not UNIMARC 13:22 kados which is mainly used in France 13:26 Ryanbisd man, everything is @ss backwards here... I dont even know where the marc records are stored for the campusus.. 13:26 kados heh 13:26 kados there's probably a sabatoged marc export utility somewhere 13:26 kados and you'll need to pay follett a few thousand dollars to remove one garbage line somewhere that cripples the utility 13:27 kados :-) 13:30 Ryanbisd haha... really? 13:31 thd kados: you should have the email now 13:32 Ryanbisd where did you send it/ 13:32 kados thd: thanks! 13:33 kados Ryanbisd: ? 13:33 Ryanbisd nevermind... 13:33 thd kados: good luck 13:33 Ryanbisd im being retarded 13:34 kados thd: thanks :-) 14:23 Ryanbisd how do i get to the admin part of koha? 14:28 shaun Parameters in the intranet? or am i thinking of a different admin? 14:30 Ryanbisd yes.. 14:30 Ryanbisd to edit koha... 14:30 Ryanbisd or, is that all command line? 14:31 shaun what do you mean, to edit koha? 14:31 Ryanbisd to change the different options and such. 14:32 Ryanbisd is there not just a general Koha Admin screen or anything? 14:32 kados Ryanbisd: yes 14:32 kados Ryanbisd: go to the intranet 14:32 Ryanbisd there 14:32 kados Ryanbisd: you'll see the admin link 14:32 Ryanbisd dont see it.. 14:33 Ryanbisd I see the librian screen 14:33 shaun Preferences? Koha Administration? Parameters? Settings? that's what they are in the templates 14:35 Ryanbisd Im not in the right place. 14:35 owen Are you in the OPAC right now? 14:36 Ryanbisd no. 14:36 kados Ryanbisd: using default templates? 14:36 Ryanbisd yeah 14:36 Ryanbisd is the opac the studens side? 14:36 Ryanbisd or, the users side? 14:36 Ryanbisd ok.. wait.. 14:36 owen OPAC is the public side 14:36 Ryanbisd I am at the opac-main 14:37 owen intranet is the librarian's side 14:37 owen You're looking for something like http://your-koha-installation:8080/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl 14:42 Ryanbisd im there 14:43 owen You want the Parameters link 14:43 Ryanbisd sure. 14:43 slef ping 14:43 Ryanbisd BTW... you I wanna thank you guys in advance for helpin me out.. im pretty rough around the edges 14:43 Ryanbisd I am at the login screen 14:44 slef town 14:45 owen Ryanbisd: log in ;) 14:46 Ryanbisd alright.... 14:46 Ryanbisd I suspose I have to create a login 14:48 owen Should have happened during the install process, I think 14:51 shaun you can find the un/pw to use in /etc/koha.conf 15:09 owen Any luck, Ryanbisd? 15:10 Ryanbisd yup... 15:10 Ryanbisd Now, I just have to find out where are current marc records, and barcodes are located 15:10 Ryanbisd which no one seems to know 15:12 owen kados wasn't kidding when he said Follett may charge you to get them out 15:39 Ryanbisd what aboiut if I get them out with marc magician? 15:39 Ryanbisd or, have them generated with Marc Magician 15:40 Ryanbisd the librarian said she can export them with that program 15:44 Ryanbisd hello? 15:45 shaun if you can get marc data out, koha will be able to import it with a bulkmarcimport 15:46 Ryanbisd awesome... 15:46 Ryanbisd an that has the barcode included... 15:46 shaun that's a script, which gets all your marc data from a file and imports it - assuming the data is in one of the two marc formats koha supports 15:46 Ryanbisd marc32 15:47 Ryanbisd barcode included? 15:48 shaun marc32 - are you sure? i have googled a bit for that but can't find it - sure it's not MARC21 as kados suggested earlier? 15:48 Ryanbisd thats what I meant 15:48 Ryanbisd Im just brain fried today... 15:48 Ryanbisd sorry 15:50 owen Ryanbisd, barcode may not be included with MARC records, because barcodes are often classified as item information 15:50 shaun anybody else around who can help with that? i'm not sure about how koha manages barcodes in bulkmarcimport 15:53 Ryanbisd the librarian was saying that they were done by follett.... 15:53 Ryanbisd but when she exports it thru marc magician, it still has it. 15:55 Ryanbisd as soon as she sends me some marc records, I can let you guys look at them 15:56 Ryanbisd another question I have... which really is more important later, is... how do I seperate each school..... so when a book is looked up, it says what school has what 15:56 owen You have to set up branches in Parameters 15:56 shaun branches - one of koha's specialities 15:57 Ryanbisd will I have to do that with each individual book? 15:57 owen You'll have to map the branch information in your current database to the branches you set up in Koha 16:04 Ryanbisd each branch is its own seperate entity 16:05 shaun not entirely - the branches share the database of resources, but you can change the location of the resources 16:06 Ryanbisd no, what im saying is... .right now.. .each individual school is seperate 16:06 shaun ah i see what you mean, sorry 16:06 Ryanbisd we are wanting to use koha to make them combined, but seperate 16:07 owen separate in what way? 16:07 Ryanbisd like what koha does... 16:07 Ryanbisd seperate, in how it can seperate what books and how many are at the different schools 16:08 Ryanbisd but, its centrally maintained 16:08 Ryanbisd where in the parameters menu do I setup branches? 16:09 owen /cgi-bin/koha/admin/branches.pl 16:11 Ryanbisd so, when I get the marc records from the highschool... how do i load those just into the HS part? 16:18 Ryanbisd will be back on later... 16:18 Ryanbisd thanks for all your help. 16:22 rach hello 16:26 thd- :) 16:27 rach and now I'm off out again - back in a couple of hours 16:52 owen now I'm off again - back in 15 hours 17:03 ryanbisd Hey guys, Im back.. and i have some marc records for you guys to look at if you can 17:09 kados hi rach 17:12 ryanbisd http://lib-intra.burlesonisd.ne 17:12 ryanbisd lib.burlesonisd.net 17:12 ryanbisd woohoo! 17:22 chris woo hoo ryan 17:26 ryanbisd can somone look at the marc records that I have, and see if they are compatable? 17:28 chris hmm 17:28 chris you could post a sample of it to the koha-devel list, im sure someone on there could tell you 17:28 ryanbisd is that on the website? 17:29 kados ryanbisd I'll take a look 17:29 chris ahh good man kados :) 17:29 kados :-) 17:29 ryanbisd send them to the email for the irc? 17:30 kados no 17:30 kados send them to me 17:30 kados jmf at liblime.com 17:30 kados ryanbisd: but really ... what you should do 17:30 kados ryanbisd: is try to run bulkmarcimport 17:30 kados and see if your records import right 17:31 kados it's in misc/migration_tools iirc 17:32 ryanbisd I sent them to you.. 17:32 ryanbisd I dont have access to the server right now, but will try and get access tonight or tomorrow... 17:32 ryanbisd she just sent me a few marc records... 17:33 kados yep ... those are marc records ;-) 17:33 kados :-) 17:33 ryanbisd so they will work.... 17:33 ryanbisd can you tell if it has 17:33 ryanbisd the barcodes? 17:34 kados ryanbisd: if they aren't importable via bulkmarcimport (and theyshould be by the looks of them) you can use MARC::Lint to clean them up 17:34 kados lemme check 17:34 kados _pT0005903 17:35 kados hmmm 17:35 kados 85040382 17:35 kados that could be a barcode 17:35 ryanbisd possibly... Im not sure. 17:36 kados yea ... usually barcodes are somewhere in 900s 17:36 kados 952, 942 17:36 kados thing to do is 17:36 kados search on your catalog 17:36 kados (the follett one) 17:36 kados find a few barcodes that you have marc records for 17:37 kados then see if you can match the barcode string in the marc record 17:37 kados (or you could just get a marc editor ;-)) 17:37 kados but basically the 952 tag subfields (where barcodes will usually be) 17:38 kados are repeatable 17:38 kados so you'll find multiple barcodes if you have multiple items fora given record 17:38 kados etc etc. 18:21 kados bug 1000 is up for grabs ;-) 19:47 Genji is there a maximum length for a 3 of 9 barcode? 19:51 ryanbisd kados, do you work 24/7? 20:12 kados ryanbisd: retty much 20:12 kados pretty much even 20:19 ryanbisd haah... 20:19 ryanbisd thats cool, me too.... but, mine is more self imposed 20:20 ryanbisd trying to learn as much as possible 20:23 russ hi 20:30 ryanbisd would this be the same russ I emailed? 20:30 russ hi ryan 20:30 russ yes it is 20:30 russ i flicked your email onto chris to have a look at 20:32 russ ryan - can you tell me where you got my email addy from please? just interested to know 20:33 ryanbisd thats cool.. I found this place soon after, so I asked in here. 20:33 ryanbisd but, thats cool that you are the same guy. 20:37 chris we kinda covered the email on irc already 20:37 russ cool 20:43 ryanbisd yeah... you guys are gonna turn the IRC channel off, thats how many questions I can forsee me asking 20:44 chris heh 20:46 rach we could set up the infobot, see if he can answer them for ya :-) 20:46 ryanbisd hahah 01:39 osmoze hello 01:41 rach hello 04:19 osmoze bonjour paul 04:21 osmoze une question, lors de l installation de la 2.0 si lors des demandes de l installateur on modifie en effacant, ca mets par la suite dans les conf de koha par exemple des symboles tout bizarre 04:22 osmoze du type 'B[ 04:22 paul salut js. 04:22 osmoze etc etc, il y a pas quelque chose pour que cela ne prennent pas en compte l effacement 04:22 paul c'est un pb de shell 04:22 osmoze il faut utiliser quoi ? 04:22 osmoze zsh ? 04:22 osmoze ou un autre ? 04:23 paul bash fonctionne bie d'hab 04:23 paul (bien) 04:24 osmoze hum... 04:24 osmoze GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) 04:24 osmoze je vais essayer de voir avec une nouvelle version, c est peut etre ma version, ou ma conf :( 05:22 sylvain hi 08:33 hdl hi owen. 08:33 hdl many thx 08:33 owen Hi 08:33 hdl for changing topic. 08:34 owen No problem. 09:12 owen Hi paul 09:12 paul hello owen 09:15 ryanbisd good morning! 09:16 owen Uh oh, it's ryanbisd! Everyone look busy!! 09:16 owen ;) 09:16 ryanbisd `ha... 09:17 ryanbisd Not at work today... 09:17 ryanbisd so, no questions really.... just bowsing. 09:18 ryanbisd actually... I do have a question, but its about tar.... 09:20 kados shoot away 09:21 ryanbisd is there a way to tar a whole dir, and its sub dirs... but, as its creating the tar file, it deletes the original files and dirs? 09:22 ryanbisd to save HD space more or less.. 09:25 kados sure is 09:25 kados :-) 09:26 kados there's a --remove-files option 09:27 kados so probably something like 09:27 kados ar -cvzf --remove-files foo.tgz directoryname 09:27 kados tar even ;-) 09:27 kados oughta do the trick 09:28 ryanbisd so, it would be "tar -cvz /dir > dir.tgz --remove-files 09:28 ryanbisd oh... 09:29 kados hmmm ... 09:29 kados that's not the default tar syntax IIRC 09:29 kados but it might work with your shell 09:32 osmoze ++ 09:33 ryanbisd alrght... so, the syntax I used worked, but... does it delete them as its making the .tar, or after? 09:34 ryanbisd reason being.. I set up a small file server on a computer, but the files are 9 gigs, and I only used a small 10 gig HD so if I tar it up.. it will exceed disk space 09:35 ryanbisd I want to them up, and put them on the new file server... 09:35 ryanbisd insert "tar" 09:35 kados ryanbisd: right ... well you'd have to look at the docs ... but I suspect it does them at the same time as it archives them 09:35 kados try the man pages 09:35 ryanbisd cool.. 09:36 ryanbisd Now... can I move that one .tar file between the systems without ftp? like thru ssh? 09:36 kados yea 09:36 kados scp is what you're looking for 09:37 ryanbisd thanks 09:55 thd kados: you had briefly suggested that the MARC record would be stored as a single entity for Zebra. Wouldn't you still need a data model that dealt properly with all the record fields, indicators, and subfields for editing a record and creating a new record? 09:55 kados thd: yep ... any suggestions? 09:57 thd kados: no, but there is some work at the University of North Texas, they have a $200,000 grant. 09:57 kados thd: they have a 200K grant to work on Koha? 09:58 thd :) 09:58 kados thd: or on a data model for dealing with marc? 09:58 kados thd: :-) 09:58 kados thd: isn't north texas the site that recently went with indexdata's keystone instead of webfeat? 09:59 thd kados: they are studying the usage of MARC fields and have a mapping of MARC in MYSQL 09:59 kados interesting ... 09:59 kados but we're actually moving away from the model 09:59 kados s/the/that/ 10:00 kados SQL isn't really good at dealing with textual data 10:00 kados it's much better at factual data 10:00 kados statuses and such 10:00 thd kados: yes but the catalog module needs to work with data parsed in some fashion 10:01 kados thd: MARC::Record ;-) 10:03 thd kados: oh yes, insert delete, etc. on the record itself. :) 10:03 kados thd: yep 10:03 thd kados: I am happy now :-] 10:07 thd kados: before there were tools like MARC::Record or even MARC-SGML if you remember that I had to write my own equivalent to MODS and found that much preferable as a text model to using a relational database. 10:11 thd thd: I quickly discovered the limit of MODS type mappings, lacking an element to element correspondence with MARC. Using MARC::Record will be fantastic though. I am very happy, indeed :] 10:12 thd kados: I do not know about keystone vs. webfeat at UNT 10:21 thd kados: What time frame did you discuss with Index Data? 10:23 kados thd: timeframe for what? 10:24 thd kados: having Zebra fully integrated into Koha 10:25 kados thd: well that's something that indexdata's not doing for us ... they are more of a consultant on how to do it best 10:26 kados thd: I'm doing an announcement tomorrow about it 10:26 kados thd: so stay tuned 10:26 thd thd holds breath until tomorrow 10:47 owen Can anyone tell me how the 'link' function works in opac-MARCdetail? 10:47 paul yes, I can. 10:47 owen Please! 10:48 paul if you want to have a small glass before the field value, just enter something here. It means "do a search on this value on the (marc) field in <link>" 10:48 paul for example : 10:48 paul in unimarc, publisher is in 210$a 10:48 paul if you put a '210a' in link 10:49 paul then, when you clic on the glass, you search for all biblios from this publisher 10:49 paul sometimes you can find interesting to search on a field that is not 'himself'. 10:50 owen ? 10:50 paul for example, for libraries that have authors as subject. 10:50 owen Where do you enter the link? 10:50 paul 'victor hugo' is the subject of the book, but when you clic on 'victor hugo', if you have put '200f' in link, you search for book FROM victor hugo 10:51 paul in marcsubfieldstructure.pl 10:51 paul (default template) 10:52 sylvain paul, what's the difference with thesaurus ? 10:52 owen Hmm... I'm still a little confused 10:52 sylvain (autorités) 10:52 owen So, say you have an author... 10:52 owen You edit the link for the author tag, and link it to another kind of search, like a subject search? 10:52 paul yes. 10:52 owen Can you put more than one tag in the link? 10:53 paul (but that's not a common use I agree) 10:53 paul sylvain : the most common use is with thesaurus. But it does not rely on thesaurus 10:53 paul (sylvain : bonjour) 10:54 paul it also works without. 10:54 sylvain bonjour paul en effet 10:54 sylvain yes paul but when there's a thesaurus, isn't it a "double-emploi" ? 10:54 owen Not a common use? What would you consider a common use? The subject -> author link you described? 10:55 sylvain but I must admit that I 'haven't tried this function so maybe I dismiss 11:05 hdl sylvain : the difference is that it can be used on simple 200f MARC field for instance. 11:06 hdl If you would like to get all the books that one person has collaborate to, you can with clicking on this glass. 11:07 hdl IF the fields link and seealso are well informed. 11:07 sylvain yes hdl but if the person is an authority you can also :) 11:07 sylvain but it's sure that's it's easier not to have to define autorities 11:07 hdl Sure, But If you want only Richard Bachmann books, how can you make it out ? 11:08 hdl This will do the job 11:08 hdl ;) 11:08 hdl Richard Bachmann is also known as Stephen King... 11:08 sylvain I really must look this new function ;) 11:10 sylvain what about the user manueal projet ? When is it previewed to be released ?