Time Nick Message 11:52 indradg hi.. back at keyboard 10:04 indradg_ thd: heh 10:04 thd indradg_: much much more than 4 hr. for my brain to work properly 10:02 thd indradg_: I am around wrestling with compiling Event properly with not even one error on the irksome OS. I had to quit and sleep last night. 09:31 indradg_ hi... anyone around on the weekend? 09:27 indradg_ kados: ping 07:00 osmoze paul_away, quand tu reviens, tu peux me donner l adresse exacte du LiveCD donner en titre du chan, je ne le trouve pas 07:00 osmoze hello all 06:46 kados and heads out for the first day at ALA 02:41 unmadindu kados: ping 02:17 slef aw heck, I wanted to hack up my enquiry form a bit 02:17 slef along with the other stuff I do 02:17 Genji cool. 02:17 slef koha's on it 02:17 Genji Koha? 02:16 slef I'm a walking advert (printed a t-shirt yesterday) 02:16 slef nope, couldn't get paper together in time 02:15 Genji ya speaking at lugradio? 02:13 slef indradg: sorry man, but this must wait until I get back from LRL :-( 02:13 Genji so i noticed. my cvs even timed out in one update. 02:07 slef oh come on!]# 02:03 slef but source-oh-forget-it is on another go-slow :-/ 02:02 slef I'm trying to get this cd visible before leaving for www.lugradio.org/live/2005/ 02:02 slef cool 01:58 Genji so to speak. 01:58 Genji hiya slef 01:58 slef Millions of Peaches. 01:24 Genji anyone active here? 01:20 Genji just finished updating cvs with my detail search options bar, as seen in http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/koha2-4/search_ideas_details_001 22:22 indradg i c 22:21 thd indradg: I found it in the threaded modules directory. Event should not be threaded. 22:20 indradg thd, did u check under /usr/local/lib/perl <and subsequent directories>? 22:17 thd indradg: Its with the modules compiled with threads on my system, very bad. 22:15 indradg brb 22:15 indradg thd, 1 sec 22:15 thd indradg: not yet :) 22:15 thd indradg: on your system do you see Event in the same general path with other perl modules 22:15 indradg thd, i suppose u have already tried using 'locate Event.pm' 22:13 thd indradg: I want to remove Event and reinstall an older version manually but I cannot find it to remove. 22:12 indradg hmm 22:10 thd indradg: yes but the current version fails 1 test for everyone on all systems and I did a force install for the first time 22:10 indradg thd, ok... i've never used OSX... but shud be similar 22:09 indradg have u installed Event.pm? 22:09 thd indradg: I have koha installed on OSX which is based very loosely on FreeBSD 22:08 indradg u r on what distro? 22:08 thd indradg: I cannot find the path to the Event module on my system 22:08 indradg i've compiled it always just like the rest of koha's perl deps 22:07 indradg thd, special location as in? 22:07 thd indradg: does the Event module compile to any special location? 21:47 rach cool 21:47 indradg we have use the Koha blob extensively on the LiveCD 21:46 indradg rach, aah! 21:46 rach popping in and out between bouts of washing and other saturday chores 21:46 rach yep 21:25 indradg rach, around? 21:11 indradg kados, great! 21:11 kados I've got some eating to do in Chicago ;-) 21:11 thd indradg: too much for my poor connection where I am now yet anyways : / 21:11 kados indradg: download complete 21:10 indradg thd, but it isn't in a public d/l area yet 21:10 indradg thd, 272 MB 21:09 thd indradg: what is the size of the demo download? 21:05 thd indradg: I have been trying to discover why I cannot get the daemon to run. 21:05 indradg i do use the client for regular work 21:04 indradg thd, haven't tested that 21:04 thd indradg: does it run the z3950 client? 21:03 indradg thd, yup 21:03 thd indradg: the boot demo cd is now working? 21:00 thd kados: In case some prospective clients surprises you with this, tell them a fix is coming by the next major version release :) 21:00 indradg rach, hi 20:55 rach afternoon 20:52 thd kados: an example: 650#0$aVocal music$zFrance$y18th century would become 650#0$aVocal music$y18th century$zFrance in Koha and could not be specified correctly by the cataloguer. There are much more plainly wrong examples but I had that one at hand :) 20:47 thd kados: If you can. 20:46 thd kados: Wait til after Wednesday, but think about it a little. 20:45 thd kados: the issue leads to data loss when the order is not preserved. Data in the wrong order is data loss and it matters greatly for subject headings for example. 20:44 thd kados: subfield order should be included in the record as specified by the cataloguer. The koha subfield default is not always correct, although, it may work for most cases and most fields. 20:42 indradg the OPAC and Intranet interfaces are available as Personal Toolbar Bookmarks on Firefox 20:41 indradg kados, to exit from the CD, the steps are Action -> Logout -> End current Session, once you are down to the command line, type 'halt' to stop the system, the koha userid/passwd are kohaadmin/kohaadmin 20:39 indradg kados, couple of things abt the CD that u shud know 20:39 thd kados: the prescribed subfield sort order in koha is not always correct and cannot be specified or stored correctly with the current database design. 20:37 thd kados: You should be aware of a design problem I have realised aflicts koha. 20:34 thd kados: It can wait until you have a few hundred more customers after Wednesday :) 20:34 indradg s/sequenc/sequence/ 20:33 indradg kados, sure thing! in the meantime we will polish out a few typos that are there... and perhaps incorporate the suggestions u / slef may have to make... personally I want to add a few more Koha propaganda material in the bootsplash sequenc 20:33 thd kados: liblime demo works fine for marc import. Something may have gone worg after 2.2.1 20:32 kados thd: not sure ... haven't had that problem myself 20:31 kados could you wait till I get back from ALA on Wendesday? 20:31 thd kados: was there a change for marc import between 2.2.1 and 2.2.2b that may have caused records without ISBNs to fail to import? 20:31 kados ahh ... right 20:30 indradg doesnt make much sense to use CVS for a 272MB binary ISO 20:30 indradg kados, the sf.net file release system (anon ftp uploads into the incoming ftp directory) 20:29 kados indradg: not sure where you mean 20:29 indradg kados, kewl! 20:29 indradg kados, can u gimme access to the sf.net FRS for Koha... I can do the LiveCD release then 20:29 kados thd: of course 20:29 kados indradg: ok ... starting now 20:29 thd kados: but you had it working previously? 20:28 thd kados: yes 20:28 kados disabled it 20:28 kados I've diabled it 20:28 kados do you mean the z39.50 client? 20:28 kados thd: ? 20:28 kados ok i will 20:28 indradg pls go ahead 20:28 thd kados: why does the z3950 service on the liblime demo do nothing? 20:28 kados should I begin downloading the files? 20:27 kados great! 20:27 indradg kados, upload completed... we have used the NPL templates :) 20:27 kados I got your email 20:26 kados here 20:26 kados yep 20:26 thd kados: about the liblime demo. 20:25 thd kados: are you there? I do have a serious question. 20:23 thd kados: so you don't have 1,000 orders yet? :) 20:23 kados booth is setup and we're finally settled in 20:22 thd 25/06/05 09:04:08+-5 <slef:#koha> thd: lots of coffee and a bit grumpy at the minute. ;-) Seriously, the humidity has broken now. 20:22 thd 25/06/05 09:02:32+-5 <thd:#koha> slef: indrag sleeps for 4.5 hr and you sleep for 4 hr., how do you manage on so little? :) 20:22 thd 25/06/05 09:01:09+-5 <thd:#koha> slef: I will be away for circa 3 hours. 20:22 thd 25/06/05 09:00:32+-5 <slef:#koha> thd: it's been so hot here, 4h sleep is the order of the day :-/ 20:16 indradg thd, slef isn't back yet i guess 19:55 thd slef: no perl process running 19:54 thd slef: the running su process for user www is the one that activated the www user 19:32 indradg slef, LiveCD upload completed ... ping me when awake 19:32 indradg hmmm... upload completed :D 19:26 indradg lol 19:25 thd indradg: I guess there is no trick I can learn then, to keep working with little sleep and be fully alert and functional :) 19:23 indradg thd, heh... good genes and iron clad constitution i guess ;) 19:21 thd indradg: how do you manage with just 4.5 hr. sleep? 19:19 thd indradg: slef said something about 4h sleep circa 3h ago. 19:17 indradg slef, around? 19:13 thd slef: you can even use ssh 19:08 thd slef: with the information you have you can inspect most of the file system 19:06 thd slef: The daemon log is empty 19:06 thd slef: there is no daemon log 16:13 slef thd: change first line of z3950-daemon-shell.sh to #!/bin/sh -x, kill the su and rerun it 16:09 slef thd: can you copy a daemon log file to that dir, please? 16:04 slef thd: lots of coffee and a bit grumpy at the minute. ;-) Seriously, the humidity has broken now. 16:02 thd slef: indrag sleeps for 4.5 hr and you sleep for 4 hr., how do you manage on so little? :) 16:01 thd slef: I will be away for circa 3 hours. 16:00 slef thd: it's been so hot here, 4h sleep is the order of the day :-/ 16:00 slef thd: back from dinner now, will check 14:57 thd slef: Did you get my email? 14:55 thd indradg: I want that secret : ) 14:53 thd indrag: you can manage with ony 4.5 hours sleep a day? 14:52 indradg hopefully the upload will be done by then 14:52 indradg slef, i'm going to get some shut-eye now.... I shud be back in abt 4.5 hrs 14:50 thd slef: check your email for a message with "be careful with this info in the subject" 14:44 thd Oops closesed my irc client : ] 14:23 slef thd: can you copy your z3950daemon dir somewhere I can see it? 14:23 indradg sounds good to me 14:22 slef indradg: I may try using it for the installer, if we can figure out how to handle systems without it (perl 5.6). 14:21 indradg slef, hmmm.. that we need to check out 14:21 slef thd: that's odd. :-/ 14:21 slef I wonder whether it would be fast enough for "live" translation. 14:17 thd slef: I find no perl process running but there is an su process running for www now 14:16 indradg structurally more elegant 14:16 indradg It would probably make more sense than the tmpl_process3.pl which we now use 14:14 slef I'm wondering whether koha should start moving towards Locale::Maketext now that it's in the perl core since 5.8 14:13 indradg slef, not the module in question... however I have used Java Standard Tag library.... which is essentially the same... the DSpace folks are using the Standard Tag Library in forthcoming release of DSpace 14:11 slef thd: I meant to put it somewhere else 14:11 slef thd: that question 14:10 slef indradg: Do you know Locale::Maketext at all? 14:09 thd slef: what here is good? 14:09 thd slef: no I have never programmed with that module 14:07 slef never mind, here is good 14:07 slef heh, wrong window 14:07 slef Do you know Locale::Maketext at all? 14:05 slef mmm, root I think (sorry!) 14:05 thd slef: root or sudo should run these comands? 14:05 slef thd: yes 14:04 thd slef: commands should be run from z3950daemon dir? 14:02 slef su -c ./z3950-daemon-shell.sh - www 14:02 slef export KohaZ3950Dir 14:02 slef . z3950-daemon-options 14:01 slef thd: try this in a clean shell 13:59 thd slef: I cannot find any perl process running ever that might be the daemon. 13:59 slef let me read scrollback a mo 13:59 slef thd: if I knew that, we'd have solved this! ;-) 13:57 thd slef: what could be killing my daemon? 13:57 thd slef: that was my understanding of the source comments at least. 13:51 slef the z3950-daemon-shell.sh sets it up 13:50 slef no, I'm wrong. It's only if you run processz3950 itself 13:49 slef (laser transfer paper++) 13:49 slef (sorry, I was away printing a t-shirt) 13:49 slef 1mo, I'll read the fine source 13:49 slef maybe I'm wrong 13:49 slef I think so, at least 13:48 slef yes 13:39 thd slef: read user for process above. Does the user need the envorment variables to launch the daemon? 13:36 thd slef: when launching the z3950 daemon does the process starting the daemon need the environment variables in advance or is that only an issue for processz3950queue in console mode? 13:10 hdl WEEK-END. 13:10 hdl don't know. But leaving this question unanswered. 13:09 hdl Is LOC Z3950 not fully MARC21 compliant ? 13:09 thd hdl: but should work according to z39.50 although LC never supported very many z39.50 services. 13:09 hdl But what is obvious to me is that we should be able to decode a MARC21 into UNIMARC : LYON3 server sends MARC21... 13:08 hdl Querying in UNIMARC bugs at LOC. 13:08 hdl thd : seems not. 13:02 thd hdl: by server side I meant that if you request a UNIMARC record from z3950.loc.gov:7090 voyager if they are providing proper services the Koha client should get a UNIMARC record sent by the LC server. But which is named the client and which is the server or which is the origin and which is the target may be confused easily in reference to z39.50. 12:54 indradg kados added my id into koha devel list... but I hvn't tested out the sourceforge file-release yes 12:53 indradg hdl, yes... need a place to ftp up the ISO 12:53 hdl I only have a few minutes. 12:52 hdl hi indradg. 12:52 hdl server side : means on Koha Side... Maybe, but I couldn't get the correct title. Maybe using a MARC21 Koha would bring the results. 12:51 indradg as myself :) 12:51 indradg hdl, hi... back again 12:51 hdl the deamon. 12:50 hdl Now that procesz3950queue is tested, you should try to launch z 12:50 hdl Yes, should do. 12:50 thd hdl: the conversion is supposed to be server side. 12:49 thd hdl: I thought z39.50 was supposed to convert between USMARC and UNIMARC. 12:49 hdl thd... Sorry. But I must leave now. 12:48 hdl Sure enough, would I be in US-MARC/MARC21 It would be ok. 12:47 hdl LOC is also ok... But I got no title... I am in UNIMARC flavour. 12:46 hdl That seems OK. ;) 12:45 thd hdl: invented non-existent title on UC MELVYL gave me the same results in the popup and no records found on the console. 12:41 thd hdl: Does LC work for you now? 12:41 thd hdl: I had not tested recently with LC after initial failure because I had seen an earlier reported problem with LC searches from koha. 12:39 hdl Maybe LOC... 12:39 hdl Copy/paste from Koha. 12:39 hdl Here is one. 12:39 hdl LYON3 193.52.199.5 21210 ADVANCE 1 3 MARC21 12:38 hdl You should maybe try a different server. 12:37 hdl But I know that there is a trick with MARC:: Record. One MUST have a leader. 12:36 hdl Especially for a new title. 12:36 hdl No. 12:36 thd hdl: Is a continuously refreshing "nothing found popup the expected result for a title that does not exist in the searched databases. 12:36 hdl Try lyon or another z3950 server... 12:33 hdl yes ;) 12:23 thd hdl: Well, I know paul and paul_away are different phases of paul but is he tipaul? 12:21 thd hdl: Are tipaul, paul, and paul_away names for the same person? 12:20 thd hdl: tipaul updated processz3950queue "synch'ing 2.2 and head" committed 20 June. 12:18 thd hdl: I have the same popup results with a different title. Possibly, no "still 1 result to go" but ending in "nothing found". 1 record found on the console. 12:10 thd hdl: line 103: refresh => ($numberpending eq 0 ? "" : "search.pl?bibid=$bibid&random=$random"), 12:09 thd hdl: I will search now for something completely different : ) 12:07 hdl Sorry, I am not narrow-minded nor monomaniac, but I really think Taht if you sarched for utterly brand new things, you would get answers 12:03 hdl then you may be searching for sthg YOU ALREADY have in your base. or the rsults match some records you already have. 12:02 thd hdl: yet, the console shows 3 records found. 12:01 thd hdl: Now the popup changes from "still ?? results to go" to "still 1 result to go" to a continuously refreshing nothing found.