Time  Nick      Message
12:01 thd       hdl: Now the popup changes from "still ?? results to go" to "still 1 result to go" to a continuously refreshing nothing found.
12:02 thd       hdl: yet, the console shows 3 records found.
12:03 hdl       then you may be searching for sthg YOU ALREADY have in your base.  or the rsults match some records you already have.
12:07 hdl       Sorry, I am not narrow-minded nor monomaniac, but I really think Taht if you sarched for utterly brand new things, you would get answers
12:09 thd       hdl: I will search now for something completely different : )
12:10 thd       hdl: line 103: 						refresh => ($numberpending eq 0 ? "" : "search.pl?bibid=$bibid&random=$random"),
12:18 thd       hdl: I have the same popup results with a different title. Possibly, no "still 1 result to go" but ending in "nothing found".  1 record found on the console.
12:20 thd       hdl: tipaul updated processz3950queue "synch'ing 2.2 and head" committed 20 June.
12:21 thd       hdl: Are tipaul, paul, and paul_away names for the same person?
12:23 thd       hdl: Well, I know paul and paul_away are different phases of paul but is he tipaul?
12:33 hdl       yes ;)
12:36 hdl       Try lyon or another z3950 server...
12:36 thd       hdl: Is a continuously refreshing "nothing found popup the expected result for a title that does not exist in the searched databases.
12:36 hdl       No.
12:36 hdl       Especially for a  new title.
12:37 hdl       But I know that there is a trick with MARC:: Record. One MUST have a leader.
12:38 hdl       You should maybe try a different server.
12:39 hdl       LYON3  	193.52.199.5  	21210  	ADVANCE  	 	   	1  	3  	MARC21
12:39 hdl       Here is one.
12:39 hdl       Copy/paste from Koha.
12:39 hdl       Maybe LOC...
12:41 thd       hdl: I had not tested recently with LC after initial failure because I had seen an earlier reported problem with LC searches from koha.
12:41 thd       hdl: Does LC work for you now?
12:45 thd       hdl: invented non-existent title on UC MELVYL gave me the same results in the popup and no records found on the console.
12:46 hdl       That seems OK. ;)
12:47 hdl       LOC is also ok... But I got no title... I am in UNIMARC flavour.
12:48 hdl       Sure enough, would I be in US-MARC/MARC21 It would be ok.
12:49 hdl       thd... Sorry. But I must leave now.
12:49 thd       hdl: I thought z39.50 was supposed to convert between USMARC and UNIMARC.
12:50 thd       hdl: the conversion is supposed to be server side.
12:50 hdl       Yes, should do.
12:50 hdl       Now that procesz3950queue is tested, you should try to launch z
12:51 hdl       the deamon.
12:51 indradg   hdl, hi... back again
12:51 indradg   as myself :)
12:52 hdl       server side : means on Koha Side... Maybe, but I couldn't get the correct title. Maybe using a MARC21 Koha would bring the results.
12:52 hdl       hi indradg.
12:53 hdl       I only have a few minutes.
12:53 indradg   hdl, yes... need a place to ftp up the ISO
12:54 indradg   kados added my id into koha devel list... but I hvn't tested out the sourceforge file-release yes
13:02 thd       hdl: by server side I meant that if you request a UNIMARC record from z3950.loc.gov:7090 voyager if they are providing proper services the Koha client should get a UNIMARC record sent by the LC server.  But which is named the client and which is the server or which is the origin and which is the target may be confused easily in reference to z39.50.
13:08 hdl       thd : seems not.
13:08 hdl       Querying in UNIMARC bugs at LOC.
13:09 hdl       But what is obvious to me is that we should be able to decode a MARC21 into UNIMARC : LYON3 server sends MARC21...
13:09 thd       hdl: but should work according to z39.50 although LC never supported very many z39.50 services.
13:09 hdl       Is LOC Z3950 not fully MARC21 compliant ?
13:10 hdl       don't know. But leaving this question unanswered.
13:10 hdl       WEEK-END.
13:36 thd       slef: when launching the z3950 daemon does the process starting the daemon need the environment variables in advance or is that only an issue for processz3950queue in console mode?
13:39 thd       slef: read user for process above.  Does the user need the envorment variables to launch the daemon?
13:48 slef      yes
13:49 slef      I think so, at least
13:49 slef      maybe I'm wrong
13:49 slef      1mo, I'll read the fine source
13:49 slef      (sorry, I was away printing a t-shirt)
13:49 slef      (laser transfer paper++)
13:50 slef      no, I'm wrong. It's only if you run processz3950 itself
13:51 slef      the z3950-daemon-shell.sh sets it up
13:57 thd       slef: that was my understanding of the source comments at least.
13:57 thd       slef: what could be killing my daemon?
13:59 slef      thd: if I knew that, we'd have solved this! ;-)
13:59 slef      let me read scrollback a mo
13:59 thd       slef: I cannot find any perl process running ever that might be the daemon.
14:01 slef      thd: try this in a clean shell
14:02 slef      . z3950-daemon-options
14:02 slef      export KohaZ3950Dir
14:02 slef      su -c ./z3950-daemon-shell.sh - www
14:04 thd       slef: commands should be run from z3950daemon dir?
14:05 slef      thd: yes
14:05 thd       slef: root or sudo should run these comands?
14:05 slef      mmm, root I think (sorry!)
14:07 slef      Do you know Locale::Maketext at all?
14:07 slef      heh, wrong window
14:07 slef      never mind, here is good
14:09 thd       slef: no I have never programmed with that module
14:09 thd       slef: what here is good?
14:10 slef      indradg: Do you know Locale::Maketext at all?
14:11 slef      thd: that question
14:11 slef      thd: I meant to put it somewhere else
14:13 indradg   slef, not the module in question... however I have used Java Standard Tag library.... which is essentially the same... the DSpace folks are using the Standard Tag Library in forthcoming release of DSpace
14:14 slef      I'm wondering whether koha should start moving towards Locale::Maketext now that it's in the perl core since 5.8
14:16 indradg   It would probably make more sense than the tmpl_process3.pl which we now use
14:16 indradg   structurally more elegant
14:17 thd       slef: I find no perl process running but there is an su process running for www now
14:21 slef      I wonder whether it would be fast enough for "live" translation.
14:21 slef      thd: that's odd. :-/
14:21 indradg   slef, hmmm.. that we need to check out
14:22 slef      indradg: I may try using it for the installer, if we can figure out how to handle systems without it (perl 5.6).
14:23 indradg   sounds good to me
14:23 slef      thd: can you copy your z3950daemon dir somewhere I can see it?
14:44 thd       Oops closesed my irc client : ]
14:50 thd       slef: check your email for a message with "be careful with this info in the subject"
14:52 indradg   slef, i'm going to get some shut-eye now.... I shud be back in abt 4.5 hrs
14:52 indradg   hopefully the upload will be done by then
14:53 thd       indrag: you can manage with ony 4.5 hours sleep a day?
14:55 thd       indradg: I want that secret : )
14:57 thd       slef: Did you get my email?
16:00 slef      thd: back from dinner now, will check
16:00 slef      thd: it's been so hot here, 4h sleep is the order of the day :-/
16:01 thd       slef: I will be away for circa 3 hours.
16:02 thd       slef: indrag sleeps for 4.5 hr and you sleep for 4 hr., how do you manage on so little? :)
16:04 slef      thd: lots of coffee and a bit grumpy at the minute. ;-) Seriously, the humidity has broken now.
16:09 slef      thd: can you copy a daemon log file to that dir, please?
16:13 slef      thd: change first line of z3950-daemon-shell.sh to #!/bin/sh -x, kill the su and rerun it
19:06 thd       slef: there is no daemon log
19:06 thd       slef: The daemon log is empty
19:08 thd       slef: with the information you have you can inspect most of the file system
19:13 thd       slef: you can even use ssh
19:17 indradg   slef, around?
19:19 thd       indradg: slef said something about 4h sleep circa 3h ago.
19:21 thd       indradg: how do you manage with just 4.5 hr. sleep?
19:23 indradg   thd, heh... good genes and iron clad constitution i guess ;)
19:25 thd       indradg: I guess there is no trick I can learn then, to keep working with little sleep and be fully alert and functional :)
19:26 indradg   lol
19:32 indradg   hmmm... upload completed :D
19:32 indradg   slef, LiveCD upload completed ... ping me when awake
19:54 thd       slef: the running su process for user www is the one that activated the www user
19:55 thd       slef: no perl process running
20:16 indradg   thd, slef isn't back yet i guess
20:22 thd       25/06/05 09:00:32+-5	<slef:#koha>	thd: it's been so hot here, 4h sleep is the order of the day :-/
20:22 thd       25/06/05 09:01:09+-5	<thd:#koha>	slef: I will be away for circa 3 hours.
20:22 thd       25/06/05 09:02:32+-5	<thd:#koha>	slef: indrag sleeps for 4.5 hr and you sleep for 4 hr., how do you manage on so little? :)
20:22 thd       25/06/05 09:04:08+-5	<slef:#koha>	thd: lots of coffee and a bit grumpy at the minute. ;-) Seriously, the humidity has broken now.
20:23 kados     booth is setup and we're finally settled in
20:23 thd       kados: so you don't have 1,000 orders yet? :)
20:25 thd       kados: are you there?  I do have a serious question.
20:26 thd       kados: about the liblime demo.
20:26 kados     yep
20:26 kados     here
20:27 kados     I got your email
20:27 indradg   kados, upload completed... we have used the NPL templates :)
20:27 kados     great!
20:28 kados     should I begin downloading the files?
20:28 thd       kados: why does the z3950 service on the liblime demo do nothing?
20:28 indradg   pls go ahead
20:28 kados     ok i will
20:28 kados     thd: ?
20:28 kados     do you mean the z39.50 client?
20:28 kados     I've diabled it
20:28 kados     disabled it
20:28 thd       kados: yes
20:29 thd       kados: but you had it working previously?
20:29 kados     indradg: ok ... starting now
20:29 kados     thd: of course
20:29 indradg   kados, can u gimme access to the sf.net FRS for Koha... I can do the LiveCD release then
20:29 indradg   kados, kewl!
20:29 kados     indradg: not sure where you mean
20:30 indradg   kados, the sf.net file release system (anon ftp uploads into the incoming ftp directory)
20:30 indradg   doesnt make much sense to use CVS for a 272MB binary ISO
20:31 kados     ahh ... right
20:31 thd       kados: was there a change for marc import between 2.2.1 and 2.2.2b that may have caused records without ISBNs to fail to import?
20:31 kados     could you wait till I get back from ALA on Wendesday?
20:32 kados     thd: not sure ... haven't had that problem myself
20:33 thd       kados: liblime demo works fine for marc import.  Something may have gone worg after 2.2.1
20:33 indradg   kados, sure thing! in the meantime we will polish out a few typos that are there... and perhaps incorporate the suggestions u / slef may have to make... personally I want to add a few more Koha propaganda material in the bootsplash sequenc
20:34 indradg   s/sequenc/sequence/
20:34 thd       kados: It can wait until you have a few hundred more customers after Wednesday :)
20:37 thd       kados: You should be aware of a design problem I have realised aflicts koha.
20:39 thd       kados: the prescribed subfield sort order in koha is not always correct and cannot be specified or stored correctly with the current database design.
20:39 indradg   kados, couple of things abt the CD that u shud know
20:41 indradg   kados, to exit from the CD, the steps are Action -> Logout -> End current Session, once you are down to the command line, type 'halt' to stop the system, the koha userid/passwd are kohaadmin/kohaadmin
20:42 indradg   the OPAC and Intranet interfaces are available as Personal Toolbar Bookmarks on Firefox
20:44 thd       kados: subfield order should be included in the record as specified by the cataloguer.  The koha subfield default is not always correct, although, it may work for most cases and most fields.
20:45 thd       kados: the issue leads to data loss when the order is not preserved.  Data in the wrong order is data loss and it matters greatly for subject headings for example.
20:46 thd       kados: Wait til after Wednesday, but think about it a little.
20:47 thd       kados: If you can.
20:52 thd       kados: an example: 650#0$aVocal music$zFrance$y18th century would become 650#0$aVocal music$y18th century$zFrance in Koha and could not be specified correctly by the cataloguer.  There are much more plainly wrong examples but I had that one at hand :)
20:55 rach      afternoon
21:00 indradg   rach, hi
21:00 thd       kados: In case some prospective clients surprises you with this, tell them a fix is coming by the next major version release :)
21:03 thd       indradg: the boot demo cd is now working?
21:03 indradg   thd, yup
21:04 thd       indradg: does it run the z3950 client?
21:04 indradg   thd, haven't  tested that
21:05 indradg   i do use the client for regular work
21:05 thd       indradg: I have been trying to discover why I cannot get the daemon to run.
21:09 thd       indradg: what is the size of the demo download?
21:10 indradg   thd, 272 MB
21:10 indradg   thd, but it isn't in a public d/l area yet
21:11 kados     indradg: download complete
21:11 thd       indradg: too much for my poor connection where I am now yet anyways : /
21:11 kados     I've got some eating to do in Chicago ;-)
21:11 indradg   kados, great!
21:25 indradg   rach, around?
21:46 rach      yep
21:46 rach      popping in and out between bouts of washing and other saturday chores
21:46 indradg   rach, aah!
21:47 indradg   we have use the Koha blob extensively on the LiveCD
21:47 rach      cool
22:07 thd       indradg: does the Event module compile to any special location?
22:07 indradg   thd, special location as in?
22:08 indradg   i've compiled it always just like the rest of koha's perl deps
22:08 thd       indradg: I cannot find the path to the Event module on my system
22:08 indradg   u r on what distro?
22:09 thd       indradg: I have koha installed on OSX which is based very loosely on FreeBSD
22:09 indradg   have u installed Event.pm?
22:10 indradg   thd, ok... i've never used OSX... but shud be similar
22:10 thd       indradg: yes but the current version fails 1 test for everyone on all systems and I did a force install for the first time
22:12 indradg   hmm
22:13 thd       indradg: I want to remove Event and reinstall an older version manually but I cannot find it to remove.
22:15 indradg   thd, i suppose u have already tried using 'locate Event.pm'
22:15 thd       indradg: on your system do you see Event in the same general path with other perl modules
22:15 thd       indradg: not yet :)
22:15 indradg   thd, 1 sec
22:15 indradg   brb
22:17 thd       indradg: Its with the modules compiled with threads on my system, very bad.
22:20 indradg   thd, did u check under /usr/local/lib/perl <and subsequent directories>?
22:21 thd       indradg: I found it in the threaded modules directory.  Event should not be threaded.
22:22 indradg   i c
01:20 Genji     just finished updating cvs with my detail search options bar, as seen in http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/koha2-4/search_ideas_details_001
01:24 Genji     anyone active here?
01:58 slef      Millions of Peaches.
01:58 Genji     hiya slef
01:58 Genji     so to speak.
02:02 slef      cool
02:02 slef      I'm trying to get this cd visible before leaving for www.lugradio.org/live/2005/
02:03 slef      but source-oh-forget-it is on another go-slow :-/
02:07 slef      oh come on!]#
02:13 Genji     so i noticed. my cvs even timed out in one update.
02:13 slef      indradg: sorry man, but this must wait until I get back from LRL :-(
02:15 Genji     ya speaking at lugradio?
02:16 slef      nope, couldn't get paper together in time
02:16 slef      I'm a walking advert (printed a t-shirt yesterday)
02:17 Genji     Koha?
02:17 slef      koha's on it
02:17 Genji     cool.
02:17 slef      along with the other stuff I do
02:17 slef      aw heck, I wanted to hack up my enquiry form a bit
02:41 unmadindu kados: ping
06:46 kados     and heads out for the first day at ALA
07:00 osmoze    hello all
07:00 osmoze    paul_away, quand tu reviens, tu peux me donner l adresse exacte du LiveCD donner en titre du chan, je ne le trouve pas
09:27 indradg_  kados: ping
09:31 indradg_  hi... anyone around on the weekend?
10:02 thd       indradg_: I am around wrestling with compiling Event properly with not even one error on the irksome OS.  I had to quit and sleep last night.
10:04 thd       indradg_: much much more than 4 hr. for my brain to work properly
10:04 indradg_  thd: heh
11:52 indradg   hi.. back at keyboard