Time Nick Message 14:34 kados yay ... owen's back online 14:34 owen Finally. 14:35 owen They came out, climbed the tower, unplugged the access point and plugged it in again. 14:35 kados hehe 14:36 kados what then need is a remote controlled power strip 14:36 owen I cycled some switches on the electric panel, but that didn't seem to help 16:34 rach morning 16:34 rach we use RT for some stuff 16:37 kados the storm did more than knock me out ... it destroyed my ups and surge protector and blew all the circuits in my house 16:37 kados rach: what's RT? 16:37 rach request tracker 16:37 rach http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ 16:37 rach this thing 16:37 kados ahh ... right 16:38 rach but we tend to use it for tracking requests, rather than bug reports at the moment 16:39 rach so we let customers use RT for their small jobs, but we're still using bugzilla for actual bugs. 16:42 rach Simon's team use RT for incident reporting, network faults, work requests etc 18:37 gavin who 18:59 rach ? 02:48 jean hi 03:04 paul salut jean 03:39 slef Can someone boot Madeleine.Kiss@cec.eu.int from the koha lists, please? I'm getting autoreplies again. 06:07 kados morning all 06:12 paul hello kados/joshua 06:23 kados paul: have you tested Genji's new feature for the OPAC? 06:23 paul no. no time to do this. 06:23 paul if you have a demo site I can look 06:23 paul but no time to install & test 06:23 kados I just tried last night but I didnt find any docs on setting up categories, etc. 06:24 paul I had the same problems when I tried, and didn't investigate. 06:24 kados http://opac002.liblime.com/ 06:24 kados that's as far as I've gotten 06:24 kados and his email keeps bouncing back to me 06:24 paul did you follow the [IMPORTANT] thread on info@koha-fr.org mailing list ? 06:24 paul s/did/do/ 06:24 kados no ... could you summarize? 06:24 paul yes. 06:24 kados (this week's been too busy to read french ;-)) 06:25 kados paul: you'll be happy to know I'm meeting with NPL catalogers today 06:25 paul I also had 2 mails in my mailbox about this. 06:25 paul the general idea being : 06:25 paul * nice to see Koha going to large scale libraries & high tech tools 06:26 paul * prefer having the possibility to choose zebra or not zebra 06:26 paul plus 1 very interesting point : 06:26 paul z3950 is an outdated protocol. So we should not too much invest on it. 06:26 paul & be ready for next generation tools 06:26 paul (except that there is none ready yet :-( ) 06:27 kados exactly 06:27 kados well my reply: 06:27 paul Christian Rogel pointed that the ZING group will have a meeting next week. 06:27 paul & hopefully publish something, after 4 years... 06:27 kados Zebra is less 'high tech' that our current system and will require far les maintenance 06:28 kados and 06:28 kados Z39.50 may be outdated but it's going to add many features for searching Koha that would otherwise not be available (speed increase, relevance ranking, stemming) 06:29 paul less high tech ? how can it be possible : if we ADD a new tool, we can't lower technicity & complexity, isn't it ;-) 06:29 kados Zebra is far less troublesome than marc_word 06:29 kados IMO 06:30 kados and dealing with static MARC files is far easier than with SQL-based marc tables 06:30 kados again IMO 06:30 paul I understand the point about "outdated" as "go to zebra, but think you could switch to something else soon, so have a good code design" 06:30 paul & I only can agree with this warning. 06:30 kados yep 06:30 kados CQL may be the up-and-coming thing 06:31 paul yep too... 06:31 kados (but I'll point out it's still Z39.50) 06:31 paul yes, but far most user friendly ;-) 06:31 kados and my belief is that indexdata will support it 06:31 paul zebra speaks CQL isn't it ? 06:32 kados I believe so but I haven't checked 06:32 kados I'd be surprised if not 06:33 kados currently, from what little research I've done, Z39.50 is still the best method for retrieving items in a library 06:34 paul Embedding the zebra, page 7 06:35 paul "natively zebra supports only RPN queries, but it comes with tools that make is possible to use CQL 06:35 paul " 06:35 paul or CCL 06:35 kados cool 06:35 paul given a mapping to RPN 06:35 kados right ... which shouldn't be too hard 06:35 kados I bet there's some discussion about this on the list 06:36 kados Here are some thoughts about Koha and the future 06:36 kados from the beginning the koha project has bee focused on smaller libraries 06:37 kados and since 'library and information retrieval standards' weren't as important for smaller libraries 06:37 kados koha didn't use them 06:37 kados when NPL joined we added MARC 06:37 kados which 'was a good thing' 06:38 kados now it's time to look at other standards (especially for searching) 06:38 kados but also for ILL 06:39 kados etc. 06:39 kados at its core Koha will operate much the same 06:39 kados but the idea is that since larger libraries require compliance with international standards 06:39 kados they are more inclined to join the project if Koha already has support for these 06:39 kados and if they join that means more resources for Koha 06:45 kados paul: quick question if you're available 06:45 kados paul: when I run perl -I /path/to/modules -file /path/to/marcfile 06:46 kados oops 06:46 kados perl -I /path/to/modules bulkmarcimport.pl -file /path/to/marcfile 06:46 kados how does bulkmarcimport know which database to use? 06:46 kados since I don't specify where to find koha.conf 06:47 paul export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha.conf 06:48 paul (if you don't it automatically search /etc/koha.conf only 06:48 paul ) 06:48 kados right that's what I thought 06:48 kados IMO it should take koha.conf as an argument 09:40 kados morning owen, jean 09:40 owen Hi 09:40 paul (not morning for jean ;-) 09:41 paul hi owen. 09:41 paul owen/kados : reading the logs, it seems you had a storm in athens ? 09:41 owen A big sudden thunderstorm 09:41 owen Did it knock out your power kados? 09:42 kados yep ... I had a major surge that blew out both my surge protector and actually _blew up_ my UPS 09:42 kados and my screen server was powered down as a result 09:42 paul they are "life guaranteed" isn't it ? 09:42 owen Holy cow. 09:42 kados yea ... still looking into the guaranttee 09:42 paul (i mean UPS) 09:42 kados yep 09:43 kados so I had to run down to Radio Shack and pick up a cheapo replacement to bring the server back online 09:43 kados yea the ups is severaly damaaged internally -- the case managed to remain intact but it's singed 09:44 kados I think the problem is the wiring in my apt 09:44 kados I investigate the 'ground' and found it's not connected to anything 09:45 kados which would explain why the UPS was destroyed :-) 09:45 owen Sounds like you're not up to code 09:45 kados so I've got to re-wire one of these days (at least that one) 09:45 kados yep 09:46 owen We have a lovely three-bedroom house available for rent :) 09:47 kados hehe 09:47 kados in athens? 09:47 owen Morris Ave. 09:47 kados actually I love my place ;-) 09:47 kados it's a one room studio 09:48 owen Yeah, better than having to share with other people 09:48 kados and I've got a year-two garden 09:48 kados so that'd be hard to give up 09:48 kados plus there's the wildlife ;-) 09:53 kados hehe 09:53 kados hdl: did you just take out Genji's additions to the marc_word search? 09:54 kados they were breaking my search too 09:54 paul he take out a completly buggy SQL select. 09:54 kados yep 09:54 paul either something's missing, either I don't know. 09:54 kados When I tried to email genji It bounced back 09:55 kados does anyone have a current email address for him? 09:55 kados his additions look nice ... but I'd like to see them cleaned up a bit 09:55 paul try koha & koha-devel mailing lists. 09:56 hdl kados : I only modified the search string to remove tables that were uncarefully joined. 09:57 hdl So that now, when meking a search, I don't bring my machine down. 09:57 kados right ... reserves, issues, etc. IIRC 09:57 paul brign everybody computer down ;-) 09:58 kados hehe 10:18 owen Why is it that the debarred patrons always come in when the network is down? 10:19 kados hehe 10:30 owen It would be handy to be able to do a report that listed all available items at your branch which had a different home branch. It would help locate items which hadn't been returned to the proper branch. 11:22 owen Lotsa folks here today, but everyone's keeping quiet 11:23 hdl ;) 11:23 tim Did anyone notice that someone posted a request for Koha to be added to the list of packages for the next Ubuntu release? 11:23 tim http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/ 11:24 tim wondering if maybe it was someone from #koha 11:26 owen Someone here mentioned it...shaun maybe? 11:26 shaun not me, owen, I was talking about making RPMs though 11:27 owen Hi indradg 11:27 indradg hi owen 11:27 indradg hi all 11:30 tim It would be nice to have it made into RPM and deb