Time  Nick     Message
12:02 gavin    they should be in there now
12:02 gavin    you can try it at [opac]/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search-biblio.pl
12:06 kados    cool
12:06 kados    I'll test it out on NPL's 150,000 biblio db
12:06 kados    give me a minute
12:06 gavin    that would be a good test alright.
12:06 gavin    by the way, where's the cvs mailing lisyt
12:07 gavin    duh! http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/koha-cvs
12:08 kados    :-)
12:10 kados    welccome sanspach
12:10 kados    welcome even ;-)
12:10 sanspach just testing out irc client
12:11 sanspach been lurking on lists for a bit, but just now installed mIRC
12:11 kados    cool ...
12:11 gavin    work for you?
12:11 kados    gavin: still updating from sourceforge which is quite slow today ;-)
12:12 gavin    sorry, i see :)
12:14 kados    it's working -- not sure if it's much faster though:
12:14 kados    http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search-biblio.pl
12:14 kados    still testing
12:15 gavin    i take it you built the indexes?
12:17 kados    didn't know there were indexes ;-)
12:17 kados    where are they ?
12:17 gavin    it's possible it might not be that much quicker, but it's quite a bit simpler and adds relevance ordering and boolean searching
12:17 kados    cool
12:17 gavin    ALTER TABLE biblio ADD FULLTEXT (author,title,unititle,seriestitle);
12:18 kados    hmmm, that could take a while on our database ... better run it on the test machine to time it ;-) (staff is already complaining about slowness ;-))
12:18 gavin    fair enough
12:18 kados    gavin: is that the only index?
12:18 gavin    for now
12:19 gavin    what I would intend adding is that one and one on each individual text col in biblio
12:19 kados    ok ... only 8 secs ... I can do that
12:19 kados    hmmm, but you do realize that will greatly slow down editing of biblios
12:19 gavin    this is a possible problem, yes
12:20 gavin    but it might mitigate the need for the marc_word index (I'm very unsure of this)
12:20 kados    ok ... index is written
12:21 gavin    hmmm, that's no quicker at all
12:21 gavin    perhpas i have the index wrong
12:23 sanspach with commas between, isn't that just one index with a very long key?
12:23 sanspach don't separate indexes need to be built for each field?
12:23 gavin    I don't think so for the search I'm trying to do:
12:23 gavin    WHERE MATCH(biblio.title,biblio.author,biblio.unititle,biblio.seriestitle)
12:24 kados    well by default mysql only indexes the first 3 (or is it 4) chars in any given string
12:25 kados    so that may be part of the problem too
12:25 gavin    " The MATCH() column list must exactly match the column list in some FULLTEXT index definition for the table, unless this MATCH()  is IN BOOLEAN MODE."
12:25 kados    we're likely returning a very large set even with the index
12:26 kados    my personal opinion is that we won't see much improvement until we start using a textual database engine for searches
12:26 kados    the other problem with fulltext is it's mysql specific
12:26 kados    sofar we're database-independent
12:26 gavin    it exists for postgresql but in contrib
12:27 kados    right but what about, say, oracle ;-)
12:27 gavin    actually I'm unsure
12:27 kados    we've got some folks using oracle with Koha
12:27 gavin    i read something recently which suggested something like that was there but I don't know if it's at all compatible
12:27 kados    I'm not saying it's a bad thing to be dependent on mysql -- it's certainly not going anywhere
12:28 kados    I just think we should carefully consider if before we go that route
12:28 gavin    well, i wouldn't break compatibility on a whim :)
12:28 kados    s/if/it/
12:28 kados    right ;-)
12:28 kados    gavin: have you much experience with non-RDB textual search engines?
12:28 kados    (like Lucene?)
12:29 kados    I think this is still working:
12:29 gavin    little bits from some years ago (verity, htdig) but not a lot
12:29 kados    http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/cgi-bin/koha/plucene/search.cgi?query=stephenson
12:30 gavin    Internal Server Error?
12:30 kados    looks like it's not ;-)
12:30 kados    (I suspect the index has gone away from /tmp)
12:30 gavin    ah.
12:30 kados    yep
12:30 kados    bummer ...
12:31 gavin    that'll take a while to rebuild i imagine
12:31 kados    ya ... about 6 hours
12:31 kados    I'll put it out of tmp next time ;-)
12:31 gavin    did you test the more advanced syntax in boolean +,-,<,>,*
12:31 kados    nope ... it was just a proof of concept
12:31 kados    but Plucene supports all of that
12:32 kados    which would be nice
12:32 kados    but I wasn't impressed with the speed
12:32 gavin    i mean in mysql
12:32 kados    things should be lightning quick -- we're only dealing with 150,000 items here ... it's not a huge data set
12:32 gavin    indeed.
12:33 gavin    what version of mysql is that?
12:33 kados    4.0.24
12:33 kados    I've thought about upgrading to 4.1
12:34 gavin    don't think it should make a much functional difference to what I was suggesting. something seems wrong.
12:34 gavin    does anyone have a nice big data set I could borrow to test things?
12:34 sanspach how big/complex?
12:35 gavin    something reasonably big I guess. plenty of biblio entries particularly
12:36 sanspach I've gotten nothing into Koha yet; all my data's still in full MARC communciations format
12:36 gavin    kados: something wierd is happening on that test dn
12:36 sanspach but I've got lots of it
12:36 gavin    s/dn/db/
12:36 kados    gavin: yea?
12:36 gavin    well as long as it's not sensitive
12:37 gavin    well, the +- syntax isn't working which is rather odd.
12:37 kados    what's happening?
12:37 kados    hmmm ... so in keyword I should be able to do:
12:37 kados    +neal -stephenson
12:38 kados    and it will find all the neals without stephenson, right?
12:38 gavin    I put in ireland and then ireland -paradise and i get what i would expect from ireland +paradise
12:38 gavin    supposed to yes
12:39 gavin    i've just thought of an enormous optimisation.  will implement it
12:39 gavin    that page is taking *all* results regardless of how many were to be displayed
12:40 gavin    that's very silly
12:40 gavin    on my part
12:40 kados    here's something funny
12:40 gavin    ?
12:40 kados    although the search starts out using opac-search-biblio.pl
12:40 kados    it ends using opac-search.pl
12:40 kados    was that intentional?
12:41 gavin    no, it certainly wasn't <argh>
12:41 gavin    just spotted that now
12:41 kados    it's probably looping over on itself
12:41 kados    and on my db it's only displaying the first 20 results as it should
12:41 kados    (I suspect in fact, that it's not using your script at all ;-))
12:42 gavin    yes, but the query is getting all 1500
12:42 gavin    if it's running mine at all which ist may not be
12:42 kados    getting all 1500 is not a bad thing
12:43 kados    we need to be able to sort by different things: title, author, date published, popularity, etc.
12:43 gavin    it is a bad thing if you're not displaying them, it just slow things down
12:43 gavin    does your template specify opac-search.pl in the form tage
12:44 gavin    i'm not seeing that behaviour here
12:44 kados    let me check
12:44 kados    yep
12:44 kados    I'll make a new one
12:44 kados    just a sec
12:45 gavin    seems to be according to the html anyway
12:45 gavin    you should be able to just leave the action empty to get it to post to itself
12:46 kados    heh ... wel now it's fast
12:47 kados    it just doesn't return anything ;-)
12:47 kados    hmmm, not so fast anymore ... and it's returning stuff
12:47 kados    a search on 'new' returns no results
12:47 gavin    i just got 131 records
12:48 gavin    that's got to be fixed
12:48 gavin    mysql's default min word limit is 4 I think
12:48 gavin    use a bigger word
12:48 kados    oooh ... do a search on 'neal stephenson'
12:48 kados    you're returning all the items as biblios
12:49 kados    rather than a 'biblio' with item status information attached to it
12:49 gavin    i know, work-in-porgess
12:49 kados    also, it's much slower than the original ;-)
12:49 gavin    how long does the original take?
12:50 kados    try it
12:51 gavin    both are fairly similar for me. perhaps bandwidth is getting in my way
12:51 kados    well this isn't an accurate test ... but I count about 9 secs for the old search about 14 for the new one
12:51 kados    we could use 'time' to find out for sure
12:52 gavin    no you're right it is slowe
12:52 kados    and dprof
12:52 gavin    .er
12:53 gavin    i'll look at it further. I think the mysql indexing should be quite a bit quicker, it's probably what I'm doing that's not
12:56 kados    I get to the second message:
12:56 kados    The main problem at the minute is that everything is still too slow.
12:56 kados    ;-)
12:56 kados    so i guess we're not the only ones with that analysis
12:57 gavin    eh
12:58 gavin    heh
13:00 gavin    you said the index took a very short time to complete (like 15 seconds?)
13:00 kados    yep
13:01 kados    more like 8 secs
13:01 kados    which is very unusual
13:01 kados    building an index on marc_word for instance usually takes about 4-6 hours ;-)
13:01 gavin    yeah, i would have expected longer. the select took longer
13:03 gavin    there are lots of interesting posts on the manual page, I think i need to look into these.
13:04 kados    yep ... the mysql manual is invaluable
13:09 kados    this Plucene bit is an interesting read ... apparantly, (at the time of writing) Plucene was 65 times slower than Lucene in searches
13:13 gavin    is it a free clone of lucene or what?
13:16 gavin    sanspach: any chance of getting some of that data to test with?
13:16 gavin    \/who
13:16 gavin    oops
13:16 kados    gavin: yea plucene is a perl port of lucene
13:16 kados    lucene is OSS
13:17 sanspach how many MARC records would you like?  I can see what I've got laying around
13:17 kados    sanspach: as many as you've got :-)
13:18 gavin    yeah, assuming I'm not going to be downloading gigs of course
13:18 kados    gavin: if you just need a few thousand MARC records you're welcome to use LibLime's data
13:19 kados    gavin: have you seen our demos?
13:19 kados    gavin: opac.liblime.com is the opac
13:19 kados    gavin: koha.liblime.com is the intranet, etc.
13:19 kados    gavin: you can use the marc exporter to nab all the data on the intranet
13:20 kados    gavin: though I'll warn you it's not a very good collection of items for show-and-tell
13:20 gavin    well, i'm really looking to test performance so whatever
13:21 kados    right ... well go ahead and grab those MARC records from LibLime
13:21 gavin    it wouldn't be possible to just do a mysql dump?
13:21 kados    well ... it would ... but that's actually much more complicated
13:21 gavin    fair enough
13:22 kados    the easiest thing to do would be to grab the MARC records (they come out as a single file)
13:22 kados    then import with misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl
13:22 kados    it's a cinch
13:22 gavin    where's the exporter?
13:23 kados    http://koha.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin-home.pl
13:23 kados    at the bottom ... under "Tools"
13:23 kados    MARC biblio export
13:23 kados    just leave both blank to get all the records
13:24 gavin    great, that's downloading them nw
13:24 gavin    how big roughly is it?
13:24 gavin    oh ,they're done
13:24 kados    about 3000 biblios
13:25 kados    pretty small file
13:27 gavin    importing now
13:27 kados    sweet
13:27 gavin    should give me a better idea of the times
13:27 kados    yep ... though 3000 is much smaller than 150,000 ;-)
13:28 kados    as I've come to realize ;-)
13:33 gavin    yes, that would make a bit of a difference
13:33 gavin    yes I've just over 3000 records now
13:34 kados    sweet
13:37 tim      kados: I get an internal server error when I try to make barcodes on the liblime demo.
13:37 kados    right ... that feature isn't implemented
13:37 kados    it's on my list tho
13:37 tim      I wanted to see how it works since mine doesn't.
13:37 kados    right
13:37 kados    IIRC you're missing the perl module that it requires
13:38 tim      that's one of the things we'll need before we start using Koha.
13:38 kados    gotcha
13:38 tim      hmm... I guess I gotta figure out what module and how to get it.
13:38 gavin    thanks for the help kados, i'm going to go have my dinner
13:39 tim      but I need to head out now so it'll have to wait.
13:41 kados    shoot ... I've got the fix
13:42 kados    perl -MCPAN -e 'install PDF::API2';
13:42 kados    oughta do it
14:44 kados    chris around?
14:44 kados    I think this is what we've been looking for:
14:44 kados    http://indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/introduction.tkl#id2518049
14:45 kados    zebra not only does fulltext indexing ... it's got an integrated Z39.50 server
14:51 kados    zebra can also index MARC directly ... so ...
14:51 kados    1. dump out MARC to a single file
14:52 kados    2. index with zebra
14:52 kados    3. update periodically with new MARC files as things are added to the catalog
15:00 owen     Oh no, another program named Zebra?!
15:12 kados    hehe ... that's what I thought too
15:12 kados    I was thinking what staff would think
15:12 kados    "so we started with Zebra and now we're using .... Zebra?"
15:12 kados    hehe
15:12 kados    I actually wonder if Spydus uses Zebra ;-)
15:12 kados    I bet they do
15:13 sanspach kados: OK, I've successfully genericized by project-oriented MARC record retrieval
15:13 sanspach the largest set I have at the moment is ca. 10,000
15:13 kados    sweet!
15:14 sanspach but I can now extract any arbitrary subset of our ca. 5 million bibs
15:14 kados    well ... I'd take all 5mil ;-)
15:14 kados    it would be extremely useful for testing purposes
15:14 kados    (if you're willing to donate that many)
15:15 sanspach let me think for a minute or two about which ones we don't normally expose to z39.50
15:15 kados    sure
15:15 sanspach I'd think you could have any of the rest
15:15 kados    sweet ... thanks!
15:15 kados    we'll add you to the list of contributers to Koha ;-)
17:15 chris    morning
17:21 kados    morning chris
17:22 kados    http://indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/introduction.tkl#id2518049
17:22 sanspach kados: just sent you email to arrange file transfer, etc. of sample records
17:22 sanspach leaving soon; talk to you later
17:22 kados    sanspach: sweet ... ahh yes ... I see it
17:22 kados    sanspach: thanks!
17:22 kados    sanspach: a single file would work well
17:23 sanspach OK, will combine when they've all downloaded
17:25 kados    sanspach: and if you can make the file available via http I can grab it ... otherwise, I can set you up with a login and you can ftp it to one of our serverst
17:25 sanspach it might be better for me to ftp it to you;
17:26 sanspach I've go quota issues on our webserver and this'll surely cause me trouble!
17:26 kados    ok ... I'll email you login info
17:26 kados    do you have a gpg key?
17:27 sanspach I do; just had a harddrive crash and haven't reinstalled the mail client plugin,
17:27 sanspach but if you look me up, I'll manage to decrypt
17:29 kados    cool ...
17:30 sanspach OK, more later (6 segments out of 54 are complete at this point)
17:30 sanspach gotta go
17:31 kados    sweet ... read you soon ... and thanks!
17:43 chris    ahhh
17:43 chris    well thats fast
17:44 chris    4.6 seconds to index 2646 marc records
17:45 chris    now i just have to figure out the attributes so i can actually search it
17:58 kados    chris trying out zebra?
17:58 chris    yep
17:58 kados    sweet ... I was just getting to that ;-)
17:59 chris    it seems the trick is going to be setting up the config files right
17:59 chris    the rest is just going to be writing a wrapper to search a z3950 server
18:01 chris    if it works, you could do the same thing as i was thinking for plucene
18:01 chris    each branch runs its on zebrasvr
18:02 chris    which you search against, then just talk to the main db for item status, circulation, etc
18:02 kados    right
18:11 chris    woot
18:13 chris    got a sec joshua?
18:14 kados    yep
18:14 kados    got it going?
18:14 chris    yep, do you have yaz installed?
18:14 kados    sure
18:15 chris    try
18:15 chris    yaz-client bigballofwax.co.nz:2100
18:16 kados    sweet
18:16 chris    right
18:16 chris    now try
18:16 chris    find chris
18:16 chris     find chris
18:16 chris    Sent searchRequest.
18:16 chris    Received SearchResponse.
18:16 chris    Search was a success.
18:16 chris    Number of hits: 8, setno 2
18:16 chris    SearchResult-1: chris(8)
18:16 chris    records returned: 0
18:16 chris    Elapsed: 0.000915
18:16 chris    now thats fast
18:16 chris    and then
18:16 chris    show
18:16 chris    will give you the record
18:16 kados    sure is!
18:16 chris    show again gives you the next one
18:16 chris    etc
18:16 kados    wow! ... super fast
18:17 kados    that's the kind of speed I'm talking about ;-)
18:17 chris    so i think the trick is wrapping it
18:17 chris    its only 2646 records
18:17 chris    (liblimes db)
18:17 chris    but it looks promising
18:17 kados    right
18:17 kados    damn gpg signing
18:18 chris    ill email you my config
18:18 kados    sweet
18:19 chris    on its way
18:21 chris    woo
18:23 kados    chris: that's a pretty long config file
18:23 chris    its 4 different files
18:23 kados    right ... mutt combined them
18:24 kados    so I wonder if I can export MARC to a file on the server (without using the web interface)
18:24 chris    probably
18:25 chris    running the script from teh commandline
18:25 chris    and >
18:25 kados    yep
18:27 kados    ok ... running
18:27 kados    this may take a while ;-)
18:29 kados    chris how big is your marc file?
18:29 chris    2124
18:29 chris    not big
18:29 kados    right ...
18:30 kados    -rw-r--r--  1 root   root   5369856 Jun  3 19:29 marc.records
18:30 kados    and growing
18:31 kados    ya know, zebra could probably be the storage engine for all our marc stuff
18:31 kados    but that's another topic ;-)
18:32 chris    yep
18:32 chris    thats a 3.0 thing
18:33 kados    yea
18:33 chris    we can do this so that you can switch it on in systempreferences
18:33 chris    for 2.4
18:33 kados    sweet
18:33 chris    ie .. things will work without zebra still
18:33 kados    right
18:34 kados    indexdata folks are the shit!
18:34 chris    yeah
18:41 kados    wow this is going to be so easy to customize too
18:41 kados    these conffig files basically give you total control over which marc fields are searched
18:41 chris    yep
18:42 chris    excellent
18:42 chris    my little perl script is working
18:42 kados    :-)
18:43 chris    !/usr/bin/perl
18:43 chris    use Net::Z3950;
18:43 chris    use strict;
18:43 chris    my $conn = new Net::Z3950::Connection('localhost', 2100);
18:43 chris    my $rs = $conn->search('@attr 1=4 adventure') or die $conn->errmsg();
18:44 chris    returns me all the records with adventure in the title
18:44 chris    the trick is going to be getting the biblio numbers
18:44 chris    but that should be a config thing
18:45 kados    right
18:46 chris    also, u can make it rank the results
18:46 kados    if you can get an array of biblio numbers to return we can insert that code directly into catalogsearch
18:46 chris    and just hand you back n number
18:47 kados    :-) ... that's sweet
18:48 chris    im pretty sure that
18:48 chris    my $rs = $conn->search('@attr 1=4 @attr 1=4 a') or die $conn->errmsg();
18:48 chris    returns u them sorted by title
18:48 chris    have a good dinner
18:48 kados    so just repeat the @attr too sort?
18:49 chris    i think
18:49 chris    more reading will be required
18:49 chris    but ill wait and see how fast the searches are on a big db
18:56 kados    right ... I'll let you know as soon as the export is finished
20:03 kados    chris: OK ... it finished, but I can't work on it for a couple of hours (finishing up some LibLime marketing stuff)
20:03 kados    chris: I can either make the file available to you
20:04 kados    or just catch up with you later tonight
22:35 Genji    hiya all.
22:35 Genji    back from away.
23:18 kados    chris: I'm back
00:09 kados    for some reason dumping out to a file didn't result in a valid marc record so I'm using the web interface to dump out the records again -- should be done in about 20 minutes
00:09 kados    emilda.org an interesting small open source ILS
00:10 kados    (integrated with zebra already)
00:26 Genji    kados: tried my search options bar?
00:33 kados    Genji: haven't had a chance yet ... maybe tomorrow
00:33 kados    (it's at the top of the list ;-))
00:34 Genji    cool.
00:34 Genji    whats the structure of your itemtypes list?
00:34 kados    Genji: what's your affiliation?
00:35 Genji    Theosophical Society, Palmerston North Branch, New Zealand.
00:35 kados    ahh ... and you run Koha?
00:35 kados    (supported by Katipo?)
00:38 Genji    Nope. Supported by me, alot of human delays in getting the library and Koha ready. Well.. Koha is ready, the library isn't. Still needs shelf names typed up, for shelf barcodes and the virtual shelf list.
00:38 kados    ahh right ...
00:39 Genji    Theosophy comprises Science, Philosophy and Religion.
00:39 kados    Genji: do you want a dump of my itemtypes table?
00:40 Genji    Just the itemtype codes.
00:41 kados    right ... well there are quite a few of them
00:42 kados    MZ       | Magazine                            |         14 |               2
00:42 kados    |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | AF       | Fiction                             |         14 |               2
00:42 kados    |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | AV       | Videocassette                       |         14 |               2
00:42 kados    |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | AVJ      | Videocassette, juvenile             |         14 |               2
00:42 kados    |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | AVNF     | Videocassette, non-fiction          |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | BIO      | Biography                           |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | DVD      | Video disc                          |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | EASY     | Juvenile picture books
00:42 kados    | JB       | Juvenile biography                  |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | JNF      | Juvenile non-fiction                |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | JF       | Juvenile fiction                    |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | JREF     | Juvenile reference
00:42 kados    | LH       | Local history                       |          0 |               0 |       0.0000 |          1 |
00:42 kados    | LP       | Fiction, large print                |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:42 kados    | LPNF     | Non-fiction, large print            |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | MYS      | Mystery
00:43 kados    NF       | Non-fiction                         |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | REF      | Reference                           |          0 |               0 |       0.0000 |          1 |
00:43 kados    | SCI      | Science fiction/Fantasy
00:43 kados    WES      | Western                             |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | YA       | Young Adult fiction                 |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | YANF     | Young Adult non-fiction             |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | CDM      | Music CD
00:43 kados    | KIT      | Juvenile book/tape kit
00:43 kados    AVJN     | Videocassette, juvenile non-fiction |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | CDR      | CD-ROM software                     |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | JAC      | Juvenile audiobook                  |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    PB       | Paperback romance                   |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | YAC      | Young Adult audiobook               |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | AB       | Audiobook                           |         14 |               2 |       0.0000 |       NULL |
00:43 kados    | AC       | Audiobook (cassette)
00:43 kados    that's it
00:44 Genji    k. why do you use itemtypes for subject areas, instead of Virtual shelves?
00:44 kados    er?
00:45 kados    virtual shelves are just editable lists of items
00:46 Genji    SCI, Science Fiction... Yes, they could be used to locate books in physicality.
00:46 kados    hum ... how so?
00:47 Genji    okay. you create a virtual shelf for each physical shelf.
00:47 Genji    and put books on the virtual shelf.
00:47 kados    yikes!
00:48 kados    that's a ton of human overhead
00:48 kados    I've got like 400,000 items here ;-)
00:48 Genji    nope.
00:52 kados    why use virtual shelves when there is a location and callnumber?
00:52 kados    (in KOha)
00:58 Genji    easy, huh?
01:00 kados    huh ... I need to thinik about it a bit
01:27 kados    chris around?
01:28 kados    the indexing of our records too about 3 minutes
01:28 kados    66.213.78.76:9999 is the z-server
01:28 kados    using yaz it's FAST!
02:40 osmoze   hi
02:58 kados    chris around?
02:59 kados    here's the link to that generic z-server:
02:59 kados    http://www.g7.fed.us/enrm/pilot/genericz.html
02:59 kados    for some reason, it's not returning results on my implementation
02:59 kados    66.213.78.76:9999
03:00 kados    it looks like it might be broken as it's also not returning results for my actual z-server
03:08 kados    course, that's currently down ;-)
03:08 kados    sigh
03:40 kados    I found a way to run tests via LOC's online z-client
03:41 kados    http://www.loc.gov/cgi-bin/zgate?ACTION=INIT&FORM_HOST_PORT=/prod/www/data/z3950/locils2.html,66.213.78.76,9999
03:41 kados    I think it's a tricky way to go about it though
03:41 kados    there's no way to speficy a database name in the CGI (that I could find)
03:42 kados    so I'm re-indexing my data with the VOYAGER database name to see if that works
03:42 kados    should be ready to test in about 2 minutes
03:43 kados    yep ... it works
03:43 kados    wow this is fast!
03:44 kados    like crazy fast!
03:47 Genji    kados: to finish my idea. ill be creating a page in koha where you can copy the barcodes resulting from the stocktake scan, and paste them into the page, and it'll find the shelf barcode, put the books into the shelf.. come across another shelf barcode, and put the books into that shelf etc.
03:53 osmoze   hum...I have a question : In overdue.pl, we have a list with borrower1--> book1 ; Borrower1-6>Book2 etc etc...  I want borrower 1--> book1,book2 etc etc for a mailing after
03:53 osmoze   have you got some idea ?
03:53 kados    hmmm
03:53 kados    Genji: sounds great!
03:54 kados    osmoze: I'm too tired to think ;-) (it's 4:55am here ;-))
03:54 kados    I've got to get to sleep
03:55 osmoze   oh, excuse  kados, i wish you a good night ^^ (it's too late for you, are you a geek ;) )
03:56 osmoze   for other, date it's not important, purhups it's group by ?
04:10 gavin    kados: can you ask sanspach for permission to copy those records to me?
04:10 gavin    (when you wake up of course)