Time Nick Message 11:26 kados slef: I'm using rss 2.0 and chris is using .91 fyi 11:23 kados huh ... it's not catching everything 11:20 slef I'll add it to the tridaily update 11:20 slef right, sorted out the categories 11:15 slef one in the top post has an unescaped & 11:15 slef depends if it's valid xhtml 11:15 owen (that is, some are displayed as HTML) 11:14 owen Strange that some links word and some don't 11:11 slef I need to add an html parser as well as the xml, as you're not alone 11:09 slef yeah, underlying code needs a rewrite 11:09 kados slef: hehe yep 11:09 slef kados: you can't write html, you notice? ;-) 11:09 kados it would be nice if each 'different' blogger had a unique background color for their 'title' div 11:07 kados looks nice slef 11:06 kados hey FrancoisL :-) 11:06 FrancoisL (ouf!) back from neverending meeting... 11:05 kados http://www.bigballofwax.co.nz/cgi-bin/blosxom/koha/index.rss 11:05 kados here's chris's: 11:05 kados that's my Koha feed 11:04 kados http://kados.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/blog/koha/index.rss 11:04 slef I have a koha feed 11:04 owen Maybe it's a question of having each person set up a special feed of only Koha-categoried posts 11:03 slef just shove whatever you want into the blog I use 11:03 kados and chris's too 11:03 slef non-koha posts? 11:03 kados with my blog it is 11:03 owen Is it possible? 11:03 owen How can we get it not to show non-Koha posts? 11:01 slef http://www.otherwayup.org.uk/planets/koha/ is the bodgeup 10:58 kados :-) 10:58 owen If he wasn't so damn lazy... 10:58 kados and maybe we could get owen to start a weblog too ;-) 10:58 kados I'm sure chris would join 10:58 kados slef: with this increased activity, now might be a good time to try to revive your webring 10:55 kados hehe 10:55 slef kados is now known as "unknown" 10:55 slef well, that's not quite what it should be 10:55 slef tum tee tum 10:49 kados it doesn't actually print the letter when I view it that way -- just the U+03BA :-( 10:48 kados erp ... xml 10:48 kados ? 10:48 kados I'm not sure how to 'write' the numbers (instead of entities) in the html ... do I just do U+03BA 10:47 kados http://www.theorem.ca/~mvcorks/cgi-bin/unicode.pl.cgi?start=0370&end=03FF 10:47 kados slef: here's a chart: 10:46 kados at the time 10:46 kados I thought they were unicode 10:45 slef damned if I know. Shouldn't matter. 10:45 kados hehe 10:45 kados καδος 10:45 kados these are utf-8 right? 10:44 slef still broken, bodging 10:43 slef ok, I'll try before bodging 10:43 kados it validates now 10:42 slef ok, I'll bodge this 10:41 slef it's >1 year old 10:41 slef really, I should update the parser library on that machine ;-) 10:41 kados hum ... I think I did and it didn't work well 10:41 slef can you try unicode instead of entities? 10:41 slef title, pretty sure 10:40 kados the <title> or the <language>? 10:40 slef it's at the next pass (copying the latest entries out of the cache) it gets an odd display bug 10:40 slef well, minor... mostly it goes "uh, I can't parse that" and drops it on the floor 10:39 owen Seems to validate okay (mostly): http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkados.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Fblosxom.cgi%2Findex.rss 10:39 kados is it the <title> tag causing probs? 10:39 slef as entities too 10:39 kados greek chars that is ;-) 10:39 kados creen chars 10:38 kados I've got some special chars there ... that might be the problem 10:38 slef doesn't quite break it, but it looks ugly ;-) 10:38 slef it's not detecting your name, for some reason 10:38 kados slef: what about my feed is breaking it? (is it timing out?) 10:37 kados slef: hehe 10:36 slef hrm, kados's feed is breaking it, I think 10:34 indradg right-o! 10:32 slef could do with more CSS love than I have time for now, but like all good things, rushed CSS doesn't work 10:32 slef I'll tell you once it looks halfway there 10:31 indradg slef, where is the blog being setup? 10:30 slef any other RSS for the shared blog? 10:24 kados shaun: thanks for the catch 10:24 shaun great 10:24 kados shaun: I'll add it 10:22 shaun just it wasn't mentioned on the agenda, that's all 10:15 kados cool 10:13 slef kados: I think it works. 10:05 kados shaun: I think blogging would be a fine thing to talk about tonight 10:02 shaun kados: under which category does the blogging come? just so I know to keep it out of the discussion tonight ;-) 10:02 hdl tx. ;) 10:02 indradg ok 10:02 kados alright I'll write the email 10:01 hdl ok 10:01 paul if OK for other, then OK for me. 10:01 kados on Tue 31? 10:01 kados so 14:00 GMT? 10:01 paul (before dinner) 10:01 paul I mzn 2PM GMT would be sooner & we would have 3 hours behind 10:01 paul oups, sorry) 10:00 paul 75849 PARIS cedex 17 10:00 paul 59/61 rue Pouchet 10:00 paul CNRS - UPS 2716 10:00 paul (I meanla bibliothèque de sociologie du CNRS 10:00 paul 14 would be better 10:00 kados that's quorum then ;-) 10:00 kados ok good. 10:00 kados slef, hdl paul, is Tue the 31 good for you? 10:00 paul ok for me 10:00 kados for each meeting ;-) 10:00 kados good ... that way, probably only one continent will be sleeping ;-) 09:59 indradg 31st May is good 09:59 indradg kados, makes sense... rotation of meeting time 09:59 kados Tuesday, May 31 good for all of you? 09:59 kados http://tinyurl.com/chp5t 09:58 hdl kados : which day ? 09:57 shaun hi slef 09:55 kados so next meeting we'll have to rotate 09:55 kados it's 3am in NZ so I doubt we'll get chris to join us 09:55 kados ok ... I will propose 15:00 GMT for the first meeting 09:51 indradg works for me 09:51 indradg that makes to about 7:30 AM IST 09:51 kados I think so in practice 09:50 indradg UTC == GMT ? 09:49 indradg since I'm +0530 GMT 09:49 indradg right now its 0305 UTC 09:49 kados how about indradg ? 09:49 kados ok ... so 15:00 GMT would work for slef, paul, and hdl 09:48 slef brb, navigating legislation 09:48 hdl ok. for me. 09:48 paul best between 12 and 16 (GMT) 09:48 paul as you want. 09:48 kados hdl: you too? 09:48 kados paul: best times for you (GMT)? 09:47 slef :) 09:47 slef no 09:47 slef (solar or atomic) 09:47 paul isn't it the same thing ? 09:47 kados lucky bastard ;-) 09:47 kados hehe nice 09:47 slef is that GMT or UTC? ;-) 09:47 kados ahh 09:46 slef kados: well, +0000 09:46 paul (GTM) 09:46 slef yeah, assignment and bouncing 09:46 kados slef: is that GMT? 09:46 slef I can try to do earlier (badly, mostly) but would rather not go late 09:46 paul i think an irc meeting for bug assignment would be great, at minimum 09:46 kados right 09:46 paul (being GMT+2) 09:46 kados maybe we can rotate the 'session' times 09:46 paul for me it's 7 => 16GMT 09:45 slef kados: 09:00-17:00 +0000, some evenings 19:00-20:00 or 22:00-00:00 09:45 kados so NZ/Europe is the big prob ;-) 09:45 kados right ... well I can work anytime 09:45 paul the problem being work hours are differents between NZ / Europe / America :-( 09:44 kados slef: can you give me a range of hours that would work for you? 09:44 paul thanks to hdl hard work I have some time that i hadn't before. 09:44 slef kados: during work hours ;-) 09:44 paul i'll have some times for bug squashing in the next weeks. 09:43 kados hard ones get assigned 09:43 paul most bugs remaining are hard one. 09:43 kados easy ones get squashed in real time 09:43 kados and decide: hard/easy 09:43 kados we'll step through each bug 09:43 kados both 09:43 paul for bug squashing assignment or writing/commiting code in real time ? 09:43 kados 'where something is done' 09:43 kados session is 'period of time' 09:42 kados yes 09:42 paul what do you call a "session" ? a bug squashing like an IRC meeting ? 09:42 kados paul, slef, indradg, anyone else listening: what is a good time for a 'bug squashing session' on #koha? 09:41 paul OK, thanks ;-) 09:40 kados you will hear when he does ;-) 09:40 paul ah, ok. I thought he did it. 09:40 kados I'll bug him again 09:40 kados so no ;-) 09:40 kados he hasn't sent me the tar.gz yet 09:40 kados I haven't heard from emiliano since the last two times I emailed him 09:40 paul you've got it isn't it ? 09:40 paul about argentinian code. 09:40 paul another question : 09:39 paul ok, i'll give it a try asap. 09:39 kados it 09:39 kados let's try iit 09:39 kados yep 09:39 paul like some code to build marc_words table & do union/join search on 2 items ? 09:39 kados sure ... if you get a script to create marc_words I will try it on NPL data and we can compare to Lucene, Namzu, etc. 09:39 paul kados, should I give a try to my idea ? 09:39 kados (and it should be faster) 09:38 kados and it allows us to do complex query syntax without having to reinvent the wheel 09:38 paul slef, OK 09:38 slef indradg: The requested URL /cgi-bin/whereever you want it to go was not found on this server. 09:38 kados want 09:38 kados if we use a textual database tool that already exists, all we will have to do is get our marc data into a textual format for easy indexing ... it allows us to easily create indexes of anything we way 09:38 slef paul: auto_install. 09:37 paul kados :not sure, because we can do join, unions... with perl arrays. 09:37 slef We may well find that custom searching is needed, but to do that, we probably need to give a search guru a map of the database 09:37 indradg kados : http://59.93.166.247/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi 09:37 kados we still would have trouble doing boolian searching 09:37 paul slef : what are you talking about ? i haven't commited things on installer since months. 09:37 kados but I don't think it's a long term solution 09:37 slef kados: I've not used searchers much for years. htdig, swish and glimpse were the state of the art back then. 09:37 kados not definitely 09:36 paul do you think my idea with marc_words should be definetly discarded ? 09:36 kados ahh 09:36 indradg not shut off... IP changed... ADSL 09:36 kados slef: do you know of a fast and comprehensive fulltext indexer/search engine? 09:36 slef paul: on that note, can you stop adding undocumented code to the installer, please? 09:36 paul hi indradg 09:36 indradg hi guys 09:36 kados slef: that explains it ;-) 09:36 slef lucene was never the fasted IME 09:35 paul (s/to/too) 09:35 kados hmmm 09:35 paul my goal is to have a Koha not to hard to install 09:35 kados yep ... a perl port (a slow one) 09:35 slef is plucene related to lucene? 09:35 kados he must have turned off his machine ;-) 09:35 kados too bad 09:35 paul (ip unreachable) 09:34 kados right ... all the relevant marc tags/subfields 09:34 kados http://59.93.161.79/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi (here is an example of Namzu with a Koha database ... sort of --it's indrag's) 09:34 paul (author, co-author, authority author...) 09:34 kados http://www.namazu.org/doc/tutorial.html#run-mknmz 09:33 paul for example an "author" can be more than 1 thing. 09:33 paul we are looking for a very specific tool because we have a complex scheme & dependancies. 09:33 kados I agree 09:33 paul it seems. 09:33 kados well the features are very good with plucene but as far as I can tell it's too slow 09:33 paul On the other hand, we are looking for a very specific tool. 09:33 paul on one hand I agree it's stupid to re-invent the wheel. So if we can find a useful tool, then we should use it. 09:32 paul plucene seems not to be what we are looking for isn't it ? 09:32 kados ok ... shoot 09:31 paul i've some questions 09:31 kados right 09:31 paul i wanted to speak of Search. 09:31 kados ;-) 09:31 kados me too 09:31 paul en général la réponse est : en 2 requètes 09:31 hdl Mais je ne vois pas comment faire autrement que par une requête imbriquée. 09:31 paul donc le pb vient des requètes imbriquées. 09:30 hdl oui. 09:30 paul ? 09:30 paul et tu es en 4.1 09:30 hdl paul : par rapport à ce que tu me dis sur mon commit : chez moi ça marche, sinon je ne l'aurais pas commité. ;) 09:30 paul kados, i'm back 09:24 slef hi shaun 09:21 kados paul: I'm listening so when you're back let me know your ideas 09:12 kados ok 09:12 paul (on phone) 09:12 kados paul: you have an idea? 09:12 kados sure 09:05 paul (it's about "quest for search") 09:05 paul joshua/kados, do you have few minuts to speak ? 09:04 kados ciao 09:04 kados I know! although the real Athens is pretty dirty -- the islands are nice for swimming ;- 09:04 FrancoisL Must lmeave friends ! Be back in an hour... 09:04 FrancoisL No see in Athens - what a paradox... 09:04 kados (except for brief times in Greece) 09:03 kados oohh nice! like a bath ;-) 09:03 FrancoisL I was in Martinique last week - 35°C, great sun (water at 28°C) 09:03 kados hehe 09:03 paul ;-) 09:03 kados about 30 here today ;-) 09:03 paul in Paris, probably raining (for francoisl) 09:03 FrancoisL Nice :) 31° C here, some clouds... 09:03 paul in Marseille too. 09:02 kados weather in athens is beautiful today 09:02 kados pretty good, and you? 09:02 FrancoisL Salam, Joshua :!: How's life ? 08:50 paul 'morning joshua 08:50 kados hi even ;-) 08:50 kados hu FrancoisL, paul 08:44 FrancoisL :) nope - MMediaView... 08:44 paul lol 08:44 paul what kind of gorgeous ? You install Koha next week ? 08:44 FrancoisL 'twas gorgeous :) 08:44 FrancoisL I was at the BPI (largest public library in Paris, 450 public stations) with the SAN this morning. 08:44 paul alors bienvenue. c'est une heure habituellement calme. 08:43 FrancoisL Hi everyone, hi Paul ! I finally have 10 minutes free (my next appointment isn't started yet !) 07:47 paul et faire sans requètes imbriquées. 07:47 paul or ce n'est pas encore assez répandu, il faut être compatible avec 4.0 07:46 paul parce que pour moi, pas du tout. Tu utilises des requètes imbriquées, qui ne sont supportées que depuis mySQL 4.1 07:46 paul ton commit sur borrowers_out.pl fonctionne bien ? 07:46 paul hdl ? 05:24 hdl paul : the 'filter' proposed on borrowers w/o issues is not realy a "filter" as such : Indeed, it leads to much more results. For Instance, borowers w/o issues since today... ;) But I did it ;) 04:34 hdl For detail.pl problem in intranet... Problem on subject search. I think I cannot use Authorites search, and search.march/search.pl either. Am I right ? 04:32 hdl But I have no idea how. 04:31 hdl paul : commiting acqui/histsearch modifications : interface design could certainly be improved 04:11 Genji found it.. and found what i was looking for. I love the logbot. 04:01 Genji ah. drat. wheres the logbots output address? 03:52 Sylvain salut tout le monde 03:04 hdl paul : I have read The latests issue of LinuxPratique Magazine. It has an article about Koha. ;) 03:02 hdl Hi Genji. 03:02 Genji Salut, hdl. I only speak english. 03:02 hdl Salut. 02:17 Genji ouch. cleaning my room, and my computer plug got pulled out accidently. 23:18 Genji chris, ya watching? 23:17 Genji back 22:07 Genji out to do stuff. back in... oh.. an hour. 22:03 Genji ill see what i can come up with. 22:03 Genji hmm.... 22:02 chris (as i said, it wont help ya much) :) 22:02 Genji ah. 22:02 chris no marclist in 1.2 22:01 Genji so it just becomes &marclist=items.itemtype ----- &value=BF BLF BSF etc? 22:01 chris <option value="BF|BLF|BSF|BPF|PHB|PPB|BYF"> 22:01 Genji oh.. right. 22:01 chris and thats what ends up in the form 22:00 chris BN|BLN|BPN|BSN|BYN|BR|F|BH|BM 22:00 chris ie its stored as 22:00 chris ahh thats just fetched from the table and put into a template 22:00 Genji hrm.... well.. the source for the group lookup would be good, and how it gets put into the catalogsearch. 21:59 chris probably wont help you much thats old 1.2 koha 21:58 Genji could i get your source for opac-search.pl from you? 21:55 Genji cool. 21:54 chris dunno, u might have to edit the template 21:54 Genji is there a table to tell systempreferences to display a link to edititemtypegroup.pl? 21:52 chris yep 21:52 Genji then work on the table and interface. I need to modify updatedatabase.pl to account for the new table, right? 21:52 Genji okay.. think ill finish off rach's feature request. 21:48 chris sounds ok to me 21:47 Genji what you think? 21:47 Genji so, pesudocode for the interface would be, 1. load itemtypes from its table. name and code only. 2. create table with headers. 3. place an add textbox with add command button. 4. on already added groupnames, put all the itemtypes in checkboxes (X) with full name. 4. have Save and Cancel buttons. Save would "update" the groupname table.. and "insert" if add was ever pressed.... then return to system preferences. 21:42 chris i watch #koha but dont usually say much during the day cos im usually too busy 21:42 Genji and #koha has been on the right one for the last 24 hours. 21:42 Genji i have three screens. 21:41 chris so during the day we only glance at #koha 21:41 chris like me 21:41 chris yep, cos shes working 21:41 Genji hmmm.. is rach always like this? here for a few minutes, gone again? 21:39 Genji Would save them the effort of remembering itemtype codes. 21:38 chris im thinking checkboxes or something 21:38 Genji sounds like it would be easy. 21:38 chris so that needs a nice interface to edit that table 21:37 rach and would want different things 21:37 Genji yup. 21:37 rach this is something you'd have to do for each library - because they all use different classes 21:37 chris <option value="BN|BLN|BPN|BSN|BYN|BR|F|BH|BM">Adult Non Fiction 21:37 chris <option value="BF|BLF|BSF|BPF|PHB|PPB|BYF">Adult Fiction 21:37 Genji ill put it into rach's feature request. 21:37 chris which is used in the template 21:37 Genji ahh... cool.. 21:37 rach ah nice 21:37 chris | DVD | DP|DJP|DYP|D|DJ|D 21:37 chris | CD Rom | C|CD|CJ | 21:36 chris | Adult Non Fiction | BN|BLN|BPN|BSN|BYN|BR|F|BH|BM | 21:36 chris | Adult Fiction | BF|BLF|BSF|BPF|PHB|PPB|BYF | 21:36 chris +-------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ 21:36 chris | groupname | itemtypes | 21:36 chris +-------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ 21:36 chris ysql> select * from itemtypesearchgroups; 21:36 Genji hmm.. ya.. i been there. 21:36 chris see the classes? 21:36 chris http://opac.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl 21:35 Genji yes please. 21:35 chris take a look here 21:35 chris way ahead of ya :) 21:34 Genji superclasses -> superclassname (multiple) -> superclassitem (string of class codes) 21:33 Genji i can see that it'll be a preferences table i think... 21:33 rach however I think the rest is not so hard 21:33 Genji nope. 21:33 rach but it might be hard 21:33 rach I thought it would be cool, so that's 2 of us :-) 21:33 Genji hmm.... i can see that it would be cool. 21:33 rach I wanted a library to tell us if it was a good idea 21:32 rach in a public library 21:32 Genji ahh. so really.. you want super classes implemented? 21:32 rach and i think that certainly they have junior non fiction and just non fiction 21:32 rach it was the idea of "super classes" really 21:22 Genji Ahh... its common for libraries to have KNF TNF ANF as their itemtype codes? 21:21 Genji ya. hmmmm.... 21:21 Genji oh hiya rach. 20:58 rach but i was trying to agrigate kids NF + Teens NF + Adult NF 20:58 rach it is itemtype 19:24 Genji how would my script know what itemtype/class is nonfiction/fiction? 19:23 Genji So, a book, adult non fiction (ANF) would pass through nonfiction filter *NF? 19:22 Genji hiya yall. how do you make a book nonfiction or fiction? is it a itemtype thing? 17:54 kados that last one is probably the best intro 17:54 kados http://www.loc.gov/cds/FRBR.html 17:54 kados http://www.oclc.org/research/projects/frbr/default.htm 17:54 kados http://www.ifla.org/VII/s13/frbr/frbr.pdf 17:54 kados Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records 17:49 slef what's FRBR? 17:16 russ hi 17:16 kados hey russ 16:36 Genji hiya all. 16:25 kados morning Genji 16:02 Genji morning guys. 15:03 shaun i solved the problem. 15:03 shaun slef: yes 15:02 tim at least about to saw. gotta move around a bit 15:00 owen Or maybe sawing logs? 14:56 slef shaun: reading logs? 12:12 kados or were you using Koha's z-client to search the z-server? 12:11 kados what would be the point? ;-) 12:11 kados paul: the z39.50 server I wrote doesn't discard results that the library has ;-)