Time  Nick      Message
07:47 hdl       hi
04:26 Sylvain   hi all
16:14 shaun     going now, bye
16:02 shaun     thanks
16:02 shaun     k, i'll look into it a bit more
16:01 paul_bed  (available in 2.2 as well as in head iirc)
16:01 paul_bed  shaun : ldap works well (used for 8 months in EMN, in France). look in C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm to see how I do
16:00 shaun     (bye paul)
15:59 paul_bed  bye & fare well.
15:59 paul_away (synch done, but many, many conflicts to solve now. I have 2 hours in train tomorrow to work on this ;-) )
15:58 paul_away shaun : owen is right : i haven't synch rel_2_2 into head. will do it next week, ASAP.
15:58 Ben       by the way this is bens sis
15:58 Ben       duh
15:58 Ben       it says so
15:58 Ben       owen
15:57 shaun     who's typo is that?
15:56 shaun     <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="ERROR_address" -->
15:54 owen      <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="aERROR_ddress" -->
15:54 owen      Look at line 33 of your memberentry template
15:54 owen      I think the problem is that some bugfixes from rel_2_2 haven't been copied over to HEAD
15:53 shaun     head - the 2.2.2b release version is over at http://koha.shaunevans.co.uk:8080/ with kohaadmin as un, pw the same.
15:50 owen      Or HEAD?
15:50 owen      This is your installation from rel_2_2?
15:50 owen      Yeah, I see that one too
15:49 shaun     how about members?
15:48 owen      I see the circ one
15:48 shaun     are you seeing the errors that i am describing?
15:45 shaun     you're using a mozilla browser... my computer is being overloaded with requests for favicon.ico, with a 404 every time... ;)
15:44 owen      Oh, sorry...wrong link
15:42 shaun     on our cvs version, link above, you're going into circulation, and you can type in something, and get a "no borrower matched"? for both of us, it does absolutely nothing
15:42 owen      Is that what you're talking about?
15:41 owen      circ looks fine to me. If I put in a name or a number I get back a message that says 'No borrower matched...'
15:41 shaun     (and the address in the members section)
15:40 shaun     also, have you seen the behaviour of circulations: issues now?
15:40 owen      The problem with branchtransfers is that there are a whole list of messages that might appear, so it's not as simple as saying <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="message" -->Display message box<!-- /TMPL_IF -->
15:39 owen      I don't think it *has* to appear in returns if you don't want it to.  I do recall having trouble getting it not to show up in branch transfers, though.
15:39 owen      Oh
15:38 shaun     and branch transfers
15:37 shaun     returns
15:37 owen      shaun, which messages box are you talking about?
15:36 shaun     yes - we haven't got round to that yet... we'll probably look at incorporating the concept rach and chris were producing
15:35 owen      Are you going to modify the front page?
15:34 shaun     if you have any tips for making it more slick, they are still welcome
15:31 shaun     un: kohacvs, pw: hexthouse
15:31 shaun     sure: http://kohacvs.shaunevans.co.uk:8080
15:30 owen      Can I see it on your site?
15:28 shaun     done; owen - do you know why the messages box seems to display even though there are no messages?
15:22 Ben       shaun, can you do what I asked at 9pm now please
15:16 owen      Hunh... So your circulation.pl script is up to date, and your template has the right 'if' block to catch the 'no patrons found' message.  I'm stumped.
15:15 shaun     <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="message" --> is there
15:14 owen      That looks right.
15:13 shaun     in memberentry.tmpl: <td colspan="2"><input type="text" name="streetaddress" size="40" value="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="address" -->"></td>
15:13 owen      Do you see an instance of this in your circulation template: <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="message" -->
15:11 owen      What name and template variable is has in it?
15:11 shaun     the last time i updated was a couple of days ago - and i think the change you made was in rel_2.2
15:11 owen      Also, could you check to see what your memberentry.tmpl has for the Postal Address input tag?
15:07 shaun     *does cvs co*
15:06 owen      Can you check the version of the copy of circulation.pl that you have?  Is it up to date?
15:06 owen      I'm trying the member entry and don't get any error.
15:05 shaun     anyway... owen, or anybody else, got any ideas about the two (one plus 0.5?) bugs above?
14:40 Ben       installing the cvs version in order to be able to work with you (and we are not working with you over anything which is different in the cvs version) is not a good reason for installing the cvs version, which is buggy enough to prevent us from actually developing our contribution
14:38 Ben       unfortunately, being able to report on bugs you already know about is not a justification for losing functionality
14:37 Ben       oh, I see
14:37 Ben       ???
14:36 owen      Here's one:  The ability to work with fellow Koha developers.
14:35 Ben       happens with me as well
14:34 shaun     brb
14:34 shaun     yet i have a perfectly acceptable value in there...
14:32 shaun     Postal Street Address
14:32 shaun     when adding a member: The following fields have a forbidden value. Correct them and press OK again :
14:29 shaun     *just realises i have not currently got any members*
14:28 owen      Is that only when you enter a name or number that's not in the database?
14:28 shaun     yes
14:28 shaun     the error is from the apache error log - the interface itself does nothing
14:27 owen      you mean where it says 'enter borrower card number or partial last name'?
14:26 shaun     i type anything into the box on the circulations page, and there is no response - the page merely refreshes, with no action
14:25 owen      shaun what were you trying to do when you got the error?
14:24 shaun     same here
14:24 owen      But that's all
14:24 owen      I see an update to returns.tmpl
14:23 shaun     well, since i have been on the cvs list, i have not had anything to do with circulation.pl
14:23 kados     I think it was in one of the modules
14:23 kados     there was a change this morning IIRC
14:23 owen      I guess I must be imagining things.  I thought I'd seen an update for that.  But now I don't
14:22 owen      So maybe there's a bug in his bugfix
14:21 shaun     when was the last change?
14:20 shaun     yes
14:18 owen      Did you update since then shaun?
14:18 owen      We haven't updated our test machine since Paul committed his last change to circulation.pl.
14:18 shaun     guys - any ideas about the problem above?
14:17 owen      We talked with Paul about setting up a list of authorized values for 'not for loan'
14:15 kados     I wonder if we can let staff set another status on an item to prevent it from being circulated (for replairs, etc)
14:15 kados     trouble is, it looks like the whole reserves system would need to be overhauled to do it
14:15 kados     well it's not necessary for patrons ... but would be nice for staff
14:14 kados     right ... I get it now
14:13 owen      No.  That's what I mean about it not being seen as necessary
14:12 kados     but the old Koha didn't let us reserve a specific item did it?
14:11 kados     right!
14:09 owen      Indeed it's not something we want the patrons to have the option of doing (because they're not smart enough to know not to!)
14:09 owen      The need to reserve a specific copy probably just wasn't seen as necessary.
14:08 owen      It's a good example because you can see how it lumps all the barcodes under one entry (the biblioitem entry)
14:08 owen      That's where, if we were using the old Koha, there would be a list of item types (book, CD, AV, etc)
14:08 owen      kados, on that reserve page see how there's a checkbox next to the item type listing?
14:06 shaun     [Thu Apr 28 20:02:02 2005] [error] [client] \t\twhere ((surname like ? or surname like ?, referer: http://kohacvs.localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl
14:06 shaun     circulation appears to be somewhat broken in cvs: [Thu Apr 28 20:02:02 2005] [error] [client] Q cardnumber : Select * from borrowers, referer: http://kohacvs.localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl
14:01 kados     I wonder what the reason for that was
14:01 owen
14:01 kados     meaning that the checks for whether an item is on reserve probably rely on biblionumber rather than barcode ... interesting
14:01 kados     it only cares about the biblioitem number
14:01 kados     it looks to me like Koha doesn't even track which 'items' are on reserve at all
13:59 owen      So there's a mechanism to choose by biblioitem, but not (I believe) item
13:59 owen      Remember, the reserves system was designed to use the biblio-biblioitems-items scheme, where one biblio might have multiple item types attached
13:56 kados     Prophet", rather than the first available publication).
13:56 kados     biblioitem (e.g., if you want to borrow the audio book edition of "The
13:56 kados     biblio, and the constraint allows you to restrict it to a given
13:56 kados     constraints work. I think the idea is that you reserve a particular
13:56 kados     I don't know what this does, because I don't understand how reserve
13:46 Ben       ok
13:46 shaun     well, "member" is on the tab on the navigation, so i will go with member.
13:45 owen      The current default templates use both borrwer and member, terms which it inherited from the original Koha written in NZ
13:45 Ben       none, as far as I can tell: it's very inconsistent
13:44 shaun     put it this way: what is the default in the templates currently marked as "default"?
13:44 Ben       for the default of every koha install that will occur with our new templates
13:44 owen      Our library had always used 'patron', so we used patron in our templates.  There's no standard as far as I know.
13:44 Ben       standardised
13:43 shaun     (for the templates)
13:42 owen      Depends on your library
13:42 Ben       'patron', 'borrower' or 'member'?
13:42 Ben       hi
13:33 owen      I know there's some ldap stuff in there, but I don't know how it works.
13:32 shaun     does koha have any support for ldap (e.g. in a school system, opac login should match network login)?
13:28 shaun     *left-aligns header and ducks*
13:26 owen      My personal opinion is left (as you can tell from our template ;) )
13:23 shaun     should it be left- or centre-aligned, in your opinion?
13:21 shaun     *tells ben*
13:19 owen      Things that are outside that div are external to the task at hand
13:19 owen      Looking at the default template, it makes sense for the main heading (<h1>) to be inside the mainbloc div
13:18 shaun     visually.
13:17 owen      ?
13:15 shaun     both - CSS positioning hurts web designers ;)
13:15 owen      Visually, or semantically?
13:13 shaun     *arguing with ben: should the title of the page (e.g. Circulation: Issues) be within mainbloc or not?
13:02 kados     http://print.google.com/print?q=your query here
13:02 kados     this looks promising:
12:57 owen      Tinkering with RSS feeds is a pain when your RSS reader won't update the feed...
12:41 shaun     oh - quite a few templates use Bar Codes... *does mass find and replace*
12:41 owen      Barcodes
12:40 shaun     which is correct: Bar Codes or Barcodes?
12:32 shaun     hi (was watching the simpsons///)
12:27 hdl       bye