Time Nick Message 12:40 ben hi 12:40 ben brb 12:40 shaun hi ben, everyone else 12:41 indradg hi, i'm testing out z39.50 on 2.2.2... I have processz3950queue script running in a terminal... I'm only seeing some of the searches show up as they are taking place 12:41 indradg funny enuf the actual searches are happening and I can import the biblios 12:41 owen indradg, you might have to wait 'til paul is online on Monday 12:41 indradg i'm wondering why doesnt some of the searches showing up in the terminal 12:42 indradg kados, any idea? 12:42 shaun it seems that the searches take a long time - the ?? message is displayed before the number of searches, and remains there for a few refreshes... 12:43 indradg owen, thanks... will wait for the guru's return :) 12:43 shaun is that standard behaviour? if so, i think the ?? message should go, and be replaced with something more descriptive 12:47 owen I'm not exactly sure where in the process it gets the number of searches, but the ?? are certainly not very helpful 12:47 owen Take a look at the script to see if you can puzzle out where it gets that number 12:48 shaun *puzzles out :p 12:57 shaun <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="numberpending" --><h1 class="catalogue">Still <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="numberpending" --> requests to go</h1><!-- /TMPL_IF --> 12:59 shaun somebody who has a good knowledge of perl/templating (not me!) should write some kind of if/else thing that will print a friendly message rather than the potentially confusing "Still ?? requests to go" 13:16 ben I concur 13:16 shaun *after wating 1/4 hour... 13:33 shaun is anyone apart from me here? | i request a change of topic to the koha logo... 13:40 owen I'm here, and I pay no attention to the topic, so just ask away 13:42 shaun lol 13:43 shaun is there a need for the egg design to be touched up? 13:44 owen rach is in the process of re-doing the original katipo templates, and is updating the egg design too. 13:46 shaun oh - how far? would we be able to get in on this...? 13:46 owen You could certainly ask her...but her specialty is design, so I think she's following her own path for the most part 13:46 owen No reason you can't go ahead with your own redesign as well. 13:47 ben yes 13:48 shaun Well, we are both designers (me: web, ben: usability), and we want to see the new logos to make them fit into our design... 13:49 ben shaun: code, design; me: usability, design 13:49 shaun that's a matter of opinion :p 13:49 ben meh 13:51 shaun is it always this quiet? 13:51 shaun I'm far too used to #gentoo or #fedora, i suppose... 14:30 owen It *is* the weekend, after all 14:35 shaun (i'd expect more people to be around on the weekend - do the Katipo people only sign in at work?) 14:36 owen Yes, Koha is part of their job, just like me 14:36 ben hi.. again. 14:43 owen http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/koha <-- some things rach has worked on/is working on 14:46 ben that is annoyingly good.. 14:46 shaun I have seen that - it is more impressive, but I doubt it it will be implemented like that without a lot of css hacks... 14:46 ben yesa 14:46 owen That's up to her coder 14:48 ben well, we are trying to make it look good without mucking about with fancy rubbish.. don't forget we are still focusing on usability 14:48 ben who did the v2 redesign? 14:48 owen paul 14:49 shaun "her coder" - who might that be ;)? 14:49 owen I don't remember offhand, which is why I didn't say a name 14:49 shaun ah 14:50 ben ok 14:51 ben paul, no offence and sorry to say this, but your redesign was gaudy, irritant, incomplete and code-wise, innacurate 14:52 owen Obviously! 14:52 shaun lol 14:52 ben however, it was the first step in making koha decent-looking, and what we are building on 14:53 ben at koha.shaunevans.co.uk:8080 14:53 paul_away login/passwd ? 14:54 shaun kohaadmin/hexthouse 14:54 ben kohaadmin/hexthouse 14:54 ben doh 14:54 shaun jinx. 14:54 shaun lol 14:54 ben (evidently, shaun is monitoring the chat more closely than me) 14:55 ben we did lift the tabs wholesale from mozilla.org, mbut we're working on those. 14:55 paul_away (and : about librarian interface. I just added CSS. Most of the look is katipo) 14:55 ben paul, we noticed 14:55 shaun we have only concentrated so far on the header excluding tabs, and making the rest of it look clean before we make it "impressive" - thanks 14:56 ben I am rewriting virtually all the text to make it more easy to use, like the issue with 'returns & return_waiting' earlier 14:56 paul_away the best now should be to add "option" as popup submenus when mouseon main menu (like "catalogue" shows "search / add / virtual shelves"...) 14:57 shaun umm, it was reserve, not returns - i thought i needed caffeine 14:57 paul_away do you have a sourceforge account ? 14:57 paul_away are you in the list of koha developpers ? 14:57 ben paul, somewhere; no 14:58 paul so, you MUST get one & work on official CVS 14:58 paul (head branch only, please) 14:58 ben paul: one problem, I spend most of my time in windows 14:58 paul I can add you as developper. Just send me a mail with your cvs accound. 14:58 shaun I don't like the idea of mouseovers showing subnavigation - each of the parts of the system should be kept as separate as possible, imo 14:58 paul not a true problem : CVS works well on windows. Ask Owen how to do ;-) 14:59 Ben ah well 14:59 Ben yes, ALICE does that, too well 15:00 shaun | i am on fedora, running the test server (*:8080 above), and know all the ins and outs of cvs having worked with apache forrest for a while - im digging out my sourceforge account. 15:00 paul a suggestion : my opinion is that having a different color for each module is a good idea. 15:00 paul Let the user see easily where he is. 15:01 paul like (for instance) yellow => acquisition, green => parameters or borrowers 15:01 paul blue => reports or authorities 15:01 paul .... 15:01 Ben paul, having different titles is a lot less of an eye-renching way of doing it 15:01 Ben :) 15:01 shaun about the colours: this has to be kept as subtle as possible - imo, the old design took the user away from the actual system far too much 15:01 Ben plus, it means that we don't need to do 8 times the image production we already have done 15:02 Ben yes 15:02 shaun I suppose we could have 'flags' showing the different sections - or just change the colour of the text on the tabs 15:02 Ben incidentally, I just completed production of an SVGof a barcode reader 15:03 paul (do you have something in your DB ? what should I search for ?) 15:03 Ben so we can indicate (implicitly) where / where not to use a barcode reader using a handy icon 15:03 Ben paul, nope 15:03 Ben nothing at all 15:03 shaun no books, only 3 members 15:03 paul VERY IMPORTANT thing : NO "images with text". strictly forbidden for translation purposes. 15:03 Ben something is screwing the z39.50 importing 15:04 shaun we fixed it (owen and i) - didnt you hear? 15:04 Ben paul, I do, and always have, concur(red). 15:04 Ben no 15:05 shaun use a title (eg "the client") instead of an isb 15:05 shaun n 15:05 Ben brb - fetching keyboard, papers, todo list 15:05 paul no, but let me know (on koha-devel mailing list will be perfect) if some bug has to be hunted 15:06 indradg shaun, I'm on 2.2.2 both isbn search as well as title search works for z39.50 15:07 shaun well, i am not a perl programmer - that "Still ?? requests to go" is very cryptic and confusing to a n00b (me a couple of days ago :p) 15:07 Ben shaun, another thing i'll be fixing in my extensive rewrite 15:07 shaun ben - didnt know you knew perl... 15:07 Ben cancel my BRB 15:08 Ben I don't, but 3/5 of that is in the tmpl 15:08 shaun no it isn't 15:08 Ben oh well 15:08 Ben not another thing I'll be fixing in my extensive rewrite then 15:08 shaun you've missed a lot - we were talking about it (im about to dig it out...) 15:09 Ben yes 15:09 shaun <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="numberpending" --><h1 class="catalogue">Still <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="numberpending" --> requests to go</h1><!-- /TMPL_IF --> 15:09 paul I hope to read you on koha-devel soon ;-) 15:10 shaun ok - thanks paul, see you later 15:10 Ben bye paul 15:10 Ben thankyou for your help. < if you gave us help 15:10 paul_bed (i'll be on irc monday, not here the rest of the week -koha training) 15:10 Ben see you on mon then paul 15:11 Ben byeye 15:11 Ben brb 15:11 paul_bed (i'm GMT+2. If I read well, you're in UK, so we have close daytime ;-) ) 15:16 shaun paul or another admin: my sourceforge account is shaunevans 15:20 Ben brb, fetching items 15:38 Ben back 15:39 shaun brb (rebooting) 15:47 shaun back 15:47 Ben hi shaun 15:47 shaun hi 15:47 shaun are there any admins around? 15:50 Ben typical american 15:58 chris *sigh* 16:00 shaun chris: do you have admin rights on the sourceforge project? 16:00 chris yep 16:00 chris and lets cut out the typical american stuff eh 16:01 shaun would you mind adding me (shaunevans) please? 16:01 chris can do 16:01 chris ur just going to work on the templates right? 16:02 Ben yes. 16:02 Ben mainly for our own library's purposes, though most of the changes we implement I feel should be adopted universally 16:03 Ben since, to put it crudely and bluntly, koha currently looks awful 16:03 chris your entitled to feel that 16:03 chris and if people think your right, theyll adopt them 16:03 Ben precisely 16:04 chris but there is no need to be nasty about it 16:04 Ben *mutter* whatever happened to equality.. 16:04 chris same thing as happened to politeness? 16:04 Ben that's not nasty, it's crude and blunt 16:04 Ben apparently so. 16:05 Ben lol - I have just been told to respect my elders by an american 16:05 chris shaun: u are added now 16:05 Ben anyway.... 16:05 chris what has the fact owen is american got to do with anything? 16:06 chris crude blunt and racist too? 16:07 Ben nope. 16:07 Ben I'll probably wake up tomorrow and wish I hadn't said any of this 16:07 shaun oops, havent been following this 16:08 shaun ben, please - for goodness sake, stop this 16:08 shaun thanks, chris 16:09 chris so take what i say with a grain of salt :-) 16:09 Ben but basically, I as a consciousness have equal rights to any other consciousness, e.g. owen, mr mitchell or anyone else 16:09 shaun "mr mitchell" - why mr mitchell ?! 16:10 Ben mr mitchell thinks he is superior to me because he is 35 years older, and he is not superior to me 16:11 chris i think the problem is .. you are perhaps a little forceful in espousing those principles 16:12 shaun why does mr mitchell think that and when has he conveyed that? I think that you are becoming unnecessarily arrogant about this. 16:12 Ben mr mitchell thinks that because he is an idiot; I am arrogant perhaps, but am mentally level or superior to him 16:13 shaun I object to that. 16:13 Ben I have spent much of my life struggling against the fact that people say '14 years old... immature, idiotic, hyperactive, stupid' 16:14 chris surely only 1 year *grin* 16:14 Ben replace 14 with my age at the time 16:14 chris so, i think this conversation is going nowhere 16:15 Ben so do I 16:15 chris i dont know you from a bar of soap 16:15 chris so lets just start over 16:15 Ben and I wish I could think of something to say that would stop me going on about this in such a stupid manner. 16:15 shaun I struggle with that too - the big difference is that I am responsible and polite, and make good use of my responsibility both in open source projects and in the outside world, you do not. 16:16 Ben I am polite when I want to be, and when I am in the mood to be polite. 16:16 shaun (sorry to draw it out, but...) 16:16 Ben currently I am in the mood for politeness, and so am being polite, including proper grammar 16:17 shaun you don't need to say that a website's or a product's design is shocking, pathetic, crap, or any other words that mean much the same thing. 16:18 shaun clearly you need to have a rethink about what "arrogant" is 16:18 shaun this is being logged, and i dont like it. 16:18 Ben me either. 16:19 shaun if you said this on an apache mailing list about their site (which i made a design proposal for), you would be kicked and beaten by now. 16:21 shaun chris: are you taking sides in this...? 16:21 chris none of my business 16:22 shaun o... maybe we should fight this out on IM. 16:22 Ben maybe we should just both shut up. 16:23 Ben I am not in a mood for fighting, least of all with you 16:27 chris anyway, i wish ya the best of luck hacking away at the templates, im going to make a coffee 17:02 shaun going to bed now - see you tomorrow... 18:33 rach and goes back to gardening 03:43 shaun Hi all 03:45 indradg hey shaun