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02:29 rach http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/album103/intranet_home?full=1
02:29 rach hi
20:21 kados :-)
20:21 si who's the typhoid mary of IT
20:20 si and I suspect it might get it's first trial on my sister in law
20:20 si although I did download it the other day
20:20 si I've not used it
20:18 kados I take it you like it si?
20:18 kados no...it was on the list tho
20:18 kados I'd sooner quit computer science than go back to windoes
20:18 si joshua: have you tried ubuntu?
20:17 kados yep
20:17 chris (switch distros that is)
20:17 chris isnt great to be able to do that tho kados
20:17 kados :-)
20:17 kados and dream about having time to do LFS
20:17 slef could always help fix debian RC bugs if you want a challenge ;-)
20:17 kados naw ... every so often I just get fed up with the distro I'm using and look for another
20:17 slef depends what you want to do with it
20:17 slef I'd suggest trying a d-i/testing install or finding a young distribution with helpful maintainers
20:16 slef if it's important, I'll go find the exact details, but bleah!
20:16 kados hehe good one
20:15 slef they shipped patched mpg123 binaries on CDs for shops IIRC
20:15 slef yeah
20:15 kados this is gentoo? hehe
20:15 slef "and what's more, we will illegally distribute some stuff on our CDs because we can't be bothered checking properly"
20:14 kados :-)
20:14 slef "all our stuff is free but our free stuff might install evil stuff without warning"
20:14 kados I like FC3 but things are done stupidly sometimes (like networking)
20:14 kados I like debian but things are so old it's hard to use
20:13 slef also, the difficulty of checking licences on gentoo is not nice
20:13 kados yea ... finding a good distro is tough
20:13 kados ahh
20:13 slef Currently I have debian and gobo systems.
20:13 slef I did, but it crashed and burned a bit easily.
20:12 kados slef do you use gentoo?
20:09 slef useful for testing local disk files on gecko-based browsers, though
20:09 slef http-equiv meta tags are a bit of an ugly hack anyway
20:07 kados ahh ... I didn't know about them ... thanks
20:06 slef no, HTTP headers
20:06 kados slef: assuming you're refering to the meta tags
20:04 kados slef: yep tried both
19:46 slef kados: have you tried both Expires and Cache-control headers?
19:45 slef google--
18:10 kados pretty interesting
18:10 kados yea heard about that this morning
18:09 kados thats quite a thing
18:09 owen To add fuel to the fire, the number-1 Firefox developer just took a job with Google
18:09 owen yeah, there's been speculation about that for a while....a Google-branded browser?
18:09 kados Google Inc.
18:09 kados Registrant:
18:08 kados Google Inc.
18:08 kados Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
18:08 kados whois gbrowser.com
18:08 kados hmmm this is suspicious:
17:59 kados or at least that's a bit counterintuitive
17:59 kados huh ... that subroutine breedingsearch shouldn't be called by the z39.50 search
17:50 kados huh ... loc is in there ... m
17:48 kados maybe we need to add some z-servers
17:47 kados yea ...
17:47 owen ...something to do with z3950, at least?
17:46 owen my ($title,$isbn,$z3950random) = @_;
17:46 owen sub breedingsearch {
17:46 owen Yes
17:45 owen No idea
17:45 kados that's not related is it?
17:45 kados DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '' at line 1 at /usr/local/koha/intranet/modules//C4/Search.pm line 2464.
17:45 kados what's this:
17:44 kados hmmm
17:44 owen <!-- /TMPL_IF -->
17:44 owen <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2; url=<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="refresh" -->">
17:44 owen <!-- TMPL_IF name="refresh" -->
17:44 owen Yeah, that's automatic under certain conditions:
17:43 kados it looks to me like it's reloading every couple of seconds
17:37 kados it might not be an error per say ... I can't get the pages to load from 101 (must be something going on between me and npl today)
17:37 kados hmmm ... that sounds like yaz language to me
17:36 owen It was a template error on the z3950 page--it was asking for an include file that wasn't there. So that's fixed, but it's still saying "Still ?? requests to go"
17:35 kados yea ...
17:35 owen that'll be about as fun as trying to convince Greg that he needs a computer on the bookmobile
17:34 kados maybe after we figure out how it works we oughta get a meeting together between us and the catalogers to go over their current process and how best to make the transition
17:34 owen It used to be that their cataloging software kept track of anything they had cataloged, so it knew whether or not the record had gone on to be added to our system.
17:33 kados ahh ... I wonder how our catalogers handle that currently
17:33 owen That's the search you're expected to do to determine if a newly acquired book is in your collection already
17:32 kados so this is to search within the Koha database?
17:32 kados http://66.213.78.101:8080/cgi-bin/koha/acqui.simple/addbooks.pl
17:32 kados yea it's about time I did too ... I know next to nothing about acquisitions in Koha
17:32 owen (and failing, btw)
17:32 kados ahh
17:31 owen Nothing, just trying to figure out how stuff works.
17:31 owen I'm switching now
17:31 kados looks like default is loaded now
17:30 kados one of the loops wasn't closed iirc
17:30 kados looked like a template error ... but I didn't save it
17:30 owen Was it a template error, or something else?
17:29 kados so owen last time I tried to access the Koha z3950 client on 101 it gave me an internal server error
17:24 kados or else mine is
17:24 kados looks like apls network is lagging
17:16 kados yea ... that's ok ... I need a break from it anyway
17:15 owen It's hard for me to picture it
17:14 kados I think it's because IE caches the page but I could be wrong
17:13 kados so when they authenticate I redirect them to the referring url ... in mozilla that's sex.com ... in IE it's the authentication page
17:13 kados so say I type in sex.com ... I'm taken to the override page ... but the browser _should_ think that it is actually sex.com
17:12 kados yea
17:12 kados I still can't find a good way of forcing IE not to cache when it redirects
17:12 owen I take it that was what your long conversations with si were about?
17:12 kados there's still a few things to be done ... but it works now which is the important thing
17:11 kados good :-)
17:10 owen Yeah, Stephen said you whipped it together quick. He sounded impressed :)
17:09 kados not too hard to do either
17:09 kados that'd be swell :-)
17:07 owen ...just to steal more ideas from Amazon ;)
17:07 owen kados: I wonder if the boss would go for a list in the opac of the top 10 most-reserved items in the collection?
17:01 owen I think the blame lies more with the patent office for granting it, but Amazon still shares the blame.
17:01 kados (and it's not just 'one click' anyway)
17:00 kados slef: BTW: I'm right there with you against that silly patent
16:59 owen In case it's not already clear, Joshua's setup assumes the library has created an Amazon Associates account and is getting a cut from each purchase at Amazon resulting from a link from the catalog.
16:56 kados slef: from my perspective, it's more rational to allow your patrons to 'pay' for the extended services via purchases than using limited library funds to buy that content ... but I'm also aware that my opinion is not shared by all (including my director)
16:54 kados slef: syndetic solutions for instance
16:54 kados slef: the only other alternatives I'm aware of are 'for pay'
16:43 owen well, I'm stumped about why marcnotes isn't showing up in opac-detail.pl. It must be getting lost somewhere in the getMARCnotes subroutine.
15:43 owen I think many libraries use Amazon for reference purposes without ever spending a dime there
15:42 owen The module is not intended specifically to drive business to Amazon (although that certainly could happen)
15:42 owen For what it's worth, Amazon is used partly because of the wealth of information they provide, and the extent of their collection
15:41 slef For those of us who would like to avoid supporting the one-click patenters if possible ;-)
15:41 slef ?
15:41 slef kados: I like the look of the amazon stuff, but are there similar alternatives
15:07 kados :-)
15:06 owen Along with that one, my required extensions are chatzilla, foxytunes, ieview, paste and go, and the bloglines toolkit
15:04 kados it's like discovering css ;-)
15:04 kados I just discovered it
15:03 owen the web developer toolbar? I couldn't live without it!
15:02 kados owen have you discovered this: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/extensions/web_developer/web_developer-0.8-fx.xpi
14:54 owen $marcnote is coming up empty?
14:53 owen Okay, so now the related links are showing but still not the marcnotes loop...
14:47 owen something about the way the installer sets up the database?
14:47 owen ...but it's working in tungsten's new installation?
14:46 owen Hmmm... but using the system pref interface to change that value only changes it from 1 to 0 and back.
14:45 owen Yeah...not a change in database structure, but a change in the way the database stores the data
14:44 kados that sounds like a bit of a bug
14:44 kados ahh
14:44 owen But we have $marc = 1. It must have changed in a later release and we never updated the database
14:44 kados so we don't have that set/
14:43 owen It was checking for $marc = "yes" from parameters.
14:43 kados what was it?
14:43 owen Heh... I got it.
14:42 kados strange
14:42 kados hmm ... looks right
14:41 owen ...that's from the default template
14:41 owen <!-- /TMPL_LOOP -->
14:41 owen <i>- <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="marcnote" --></i><br>
14:41 owen <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="MARCNOTES" -->
14:41 kados how are you attempting to display it in the template?
14:39 owen No, because it was working on the OPAC page that tungsten showed me
14:36 owen I wonder if it's a problem with the getMARCnotes subroutine
14:36 kados huh
14:36 owen Plugging the query into mysql gets the right results
14:35 owen The example I'm looking at has notes in the 520 tag.
14:34 owen ...which should work.
14:34 kados ahh ... so the entire 500s
14:34 owen "AND tag BETWEEN ? AND ? "
14:33 owen Between 500 and 599, I thought
14:33 kados for our data?
14:33 kados are those the right tags?
14:33 kados they assume that the marc notes are in 500 and 599
14:27 owen Strange, the getMARCnotes subroutine should be pulling notes information from the MARC record and outputting them for opac-detail.pl, but nothing shows.
14:23 kados yea noticed that ... thanks slef
14:21 slef debian security advisory on libdbi-perl
14:15 kados morning owen :-)
14:14 owen 'morning kados
14:13 tungsten thanks
14:10 paul (baby ill...)
14:09 paul ok, i mus leave now.
14:09 paul between amazon commented code
14:09 kados paul: ok ... sounds good
14:09 paul and #AMAZON stop
14:09 paul with something like #AMAZON start
14:09 kados paul: ok
14:09 paul put it in comments.
14:09 paul (about 2.4 RM : ask stephen for the mails Emiliano & me exchanged yesterday)
14:08 kados paul: ok ... so I should take it out of opac-detail.pl then ... or just put it in comments?
14:08 paul we will see with 2.4 release manager how to integrate it into official koha
14:08 paul pls, do it, that should be enough for instance.
14:07 kados paul: but I can add documentation on how to enable it in the templates (i.e., what variables are now available)
14:07 kados paul: not well
14:07 kados paul: and made some additions to opac-details.pl
14:07 paul Amazon.pm is documented ?
14:07 kados paul: just added Amazon.pm
14:06 paul so I think it's a good thing to have it, with some doc, but not in official templates.
14:06 kados paul: I didn't make any changes to any templates
14:06 paul however, this requires specific modifs, as for ldap server.
14:06 paul or in default ?
14:06 paul your modifs are in npl theme ?
14:05 kados paul: also, since I'm sure that "most" libraries may not want the amazon features I wasn't sure whether to commit it as a comment or as actual code ... I did it as actual code but if you want me to change it that's fine with me
14:05 tungsten ok
14:05 owen Change AF.gif to BK.gif, and Fiction.gif to book.gif
14:05 tungsten thanks I get it now
14:04 kados paul: I didn't commit any template changes ... not sure what the best way to do that is
14:04 kados paul: so I committed some Amazon stuff a few minutes ago
14:04 owen So there are two copies of the plain book image: One is called AF.gif, and one is called Fiction.gif. AF is the item type code, and Fiction is the item type description.
14:04 tungsten should I use a different name than "BK" to see them?
14:03 owen Yes. Paul's working on a way to make this easier, but right now you have to manually change the name of the image file
14:03 paul yes (for few minuts)
14:03 kados paul still around?
14:02 tungsten is it because I'm using "BK" as an item type that the icons don't show up?
14:02 owen Yes.
14:02 tungsten I noticed on npl you use icons for you item types
14:01 tungsten one more question I know you are busy
14:01 owen You'll be much better off. The version of the NPL templates you're using have an embarassing number of mistakes in them :(
14:00 tungsten great
14:00 owen Sure. Let me make sure the subjects are working correctly now, and I'll send the files to you.
13:59 tungsten thanks
13:59 tungsten mrmrmr50@rediffmail.com
13:59 tungsten the latter please I'm not fam with using CVS
13:58 owen Grab and updated copy of the templates from CVS, or I could email them to you
13:58 tungsten what do you recommend? I do
13:57 owen NPL is currently running a strange mix of 2.0 and 2.2. The subject search links on our OPAC page point back to a 2.0 machine which uses the old-style search syntax. It's a long story!
13:56 tungsten on the return which comes from /usr/local/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/npl/en/opac-detail.tmpl line 60
13:56 tungsten it's line 60 of the above file which refers to the related link
13:55 paul <input type="text" size="12" name="value" id="value" /> <input type="submit" class="submit" name="Go" value="Search" /></form></div>
13:55 paul <input type="hidden" name="operator" value="contains" />
13:55 paul <input type="hidden" name="excluding" value="" />
13:55 paul <input type="hidden" name="and_or" value="and" />
13:55 paul <input type="hidden" name="marclist" value="" />
13:55 paul <input type="hidden" name="type" value="opac" />
13:55 paul <input type="hidden" name="op" value="do_search" />
13:55 paul right, because the templates are OK here :
13:55 tungsten I noticed the same thing on npl site
13:54 owen Those got left in from the previous version. In fact, I may have updated that just yesterday. I'll have to check.
13:54 tungsten yet if I put pollution in the search term in the box on top of the page it works
13:54 paul it's a NPL template problem
13:54 paul they should use the new API for searches.
13:54 paul right (hello owen & tungsten)
13:54 owen Yes they are.
13:53 tungsten the related link polution et.al are boken
13:53 owen Okay, I've got the "case of poison" record up.
13:53 tungsten ver 2.2
13:53 tungsten on the return which comes from /usr/local/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/npl/en/opac-detail.tmpl
13:52 owen What version is this?
13:51 tungsten "a case of poison"
13:51 tungsten take the first hit
13:50 tungsten do an opac search mystery
13:50 tungsten http://mreavey.homeip.net:8001
13:48 tungsten I need to change machines and log back on 2 minutes.
13:48 owen Can you describe what you mean?
13:47 tungsten I'm still having a problem with a search within a search
13:47 tungsten Okay
13:44 owen kados: are you around? Maybe you know the details?
13:44 owen I think what we do is run a query directly on the database, and output the results into a text file that gets sent to a printer.
13:43 owen We have a set-up that generates overdue letters, but it's not built into Koha
13:35 tungsten is this a librarian interface option?
13:34 tungsten wherun overdue report on 2.2 and I select an indivdual it goes into my email client. I suppose I would then email the overdue notice to the patron. Can this be changed to produce a snail mail letter?
13:32 tungsten hi
12:48 owen ...in the get_subscription_list_from_biblionumber subroutine
12:47 owen Bull.pm didn't properly format subscription start date according to system preference
12:47 owen I don't know. I dealt with two files: opac-serial-issues.pl and Bull.pm
12:47 paul maybe
12:47 paul mmm... did i forgot something ?
12:46 paul for instance no head-specific code.
12:46 owen But the subscription files I changed yesterday were different in each
12:46 paul yep
12:46 owen Many things right now are the same in HEAD and rel_2_2, so it's easier.
12:45 paul that would not be a problem, as head is supposed to be unstable anyway !
12:45 paul how did you your previous commits to head ? blindly ?
12:45 owen I found that opac-serial-issues.pl didn't have a biblionumber variable passed to it, so the link back to opac-detail.pl was broken.
12:44 owen I made a couple of commits yesterday that might be good to put in HEAD, but I don't have a HEAD installation to test them in.
12:43 paul good morning owen
12:43 owen Hi paul