Time Nick Message 02:04 rach we do it for a library customer who doesn't use Koha 02:04 rach and I wasn't sure how realistic having an actual item featured on the front page was going to be 02:03 rach I've based the book bag one on the NPL ones 02:03 rach etc 02:03 rach but what I would like to know is if I've missed anything off 02:03 rach about to get made into actual templates -richard is in for a busy week 02:02 rach they are currently in photoshop 02:02 rach you are such a card :-) 02:02 rach ha ha 01:56 kados that's a nice addition too (10 most recently acquired items) 01:56 kados are those templates available somewhere in cvs? 01:56 kados looks nice rach 01:18 rach http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/album103/opac_concept_home_review 00:34 kados it also uses taglib for meta data reading: http://ktown.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html 00:09 kados http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/14/2/ 00:09 kados chris if you do check out amarok best start here: 22:41 chris the one im playing at the moment is level 18 22:40 chris which character? ;) 22:40 kados chris: what level are you in WoW? 22:38 chris ill have to check that out 22:33 kados it also downloads recommended songs from AS, and if you have the songs on your hard drive you can drag them onto the playlist 22:33 kados it does audioscrobbler natively 22:32 kados http://amarok.kde.org/ 22:32 kados chris ... have you seem Amarok? 22:03 kados no local stores have it ... 21:59 tim Gotta go to a board meeting now. 21:58 tim Thanks for helping out the kids. And for helping me out. 21:58 chris ull have to play world of warcraft with the ssh session in the background :) 21:56 tim This computer runs XP and it's never held up running over night. 21:56 tim That's what I was thinking. 21:56 chris maybe ;) .. probably 21:55 tim If I close the ssh connection, will the script stop running? 21:51 tim Just about closing time today. 21:51 tim We'll probably scan and email tomorrow. 21:48 chris mail takes anywhere up to 3 or 4 weeks to get to nz .. so email would be a lot faster for me, unless u airmail it 21:47 chris i guess they could always print it out when we send it back 21:46 chris if they dont mind digital format, email is fine also 21:46 kados same here 21:46 chris if they want something back, that they can stick up on the wall, mail is fine 21:46 tim I guess it tepends on if they fit in the scanner too. 21:45 chris depends what the kids would like more 21:45 tim We could probably do that. Would you like it emailed too chris? 21:45 kados jferraro at athenscounty.lib.oh.us 21:44 kados yea 21:44 tim Email the flat stanley? 21:44 kados so ... can you email it to me? 21:44 tim That's what I thought. 21:44 kados I don't think you can background a running terminal 21:43 kados cool 21:42 tim We have a Flat Stanley for you if you want kados 21:41 tim I knew about that, but wasn't using screen when I started the import. 21:40 kados it will let you keep a terminal running on your server allowing you to disconnect and reconnect at will 21:40 kados http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ 21:40 kados multiplexer even 21:39 kados tim: take a look at "screen" a terminal multiplexor 21:22 tim Is there any way I can switch it to run in the background so I can log off the server and let it run over night? 21:20 tim Almost half-way there 21:20 chris excellent :-) 21:19 tim woohoo! I have over 10000 records imported. 21:18 tim She's out for supper. I think we'll have one, but I'll have to check later. 21:15 tim I'll check if any are left. 21:13 kados tim if you have any other kids I'd do the Flat Stanley thing too :-) 20:45 tim That would be cool. The kids'll like that. 20:45 chris ill try to do a blog, and take digital photos, so they can keep an eye on him 20:44 chris sure can 20:43 tim Could you email me if you do the blog so the kids can keep track of him while he's there? 20:38 chris cool 20:37 tim Thanks. It'll probably go in the mail tomorrow morning. 20:33 chris :) 20:33 chris thats me, spammer chris 20:25 tim Firefox flagged it as junk mail. 20:20 chris email on its way 20:19 chris cool 20:19 tim tmcmahon at wlpl.org 20:17 chris whats a good email addy to send it to? 20:17 chris cool ill email you my address 20:17 tim If you'd still like to do it, let me know. We can exchange contact info and we'll send it out right away. 20:16 tim You keep it for 5 days and write about what he's doing. Pictures would be nice too. 20:15 tim Hey chris! We mail a packet with Stanley and some info in it. 20:12 kados keychain will let your cron jobs 'source' your ~/.ssh-agent file to obtain access 20:11 kados yea ... I guess for the purposes of this documentation keychain may be a bit too complex ... but I'll include a link 20:10 chris which is the other way you could do an automated scp 20:09 chris which i cant see is any worse than coding a user name and a password into an expect or shell script 20:09 kados right ... 20:09 chris i think that means they are just stored unencrypted, not the connection is unencrypted 20:07 kados yikes! this article also says that passwordless keys are unencrypted 20:03 si it's a nice end run around th eproblems normally associated with running keys under screen 20:02 kados thanks si 20:02 si http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/keychain/index.xml 20:01 si keychain helps you to manage ssh keys in a convenient and secure manner. It acts as a frontend to ssh-agent, but allows you to easily have one long running ssh-agent process per system, rather than the norm of one ssh-agent per login session. This dramatically reduces the number of times you need to enter your passphrase. With keychain, you only need to enter a passphrase once every time your local machine is rebooted. keychain also makes it easy 20:01 si ohh my word yes 20:01 kados (writing up docs for backing up Koha to a remote server via scp) 20:00 kados si: so this would be a better choice than passwordless keys generated via ssh-keygen? 19:59 si it makes the keys available to multiple processes 19:58 chris cya 19:58 LLMark Thanks chris, et al. Bye 19:57 kados so that will start the ssh_agent for you on reboot right? 19:57 kados ahh yea I've heard about that 19:57 si sorry ssh-keychain 19:57 kados :-) 19:57 si breakfast of champions 19:57 si ssh-access 19:57 chris it was a while ago now 19:56 chris ahh right, i cant remember how i generated the keys 19:55 kados http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-backup/?ca=dgr-lnxw07Backup 19:55 kados chris: this guy might be bsing but he says " An interesting feature of ssh-keygen is that it will allow you to simply press enter when prompted for a passphrase. If you don't supply a passphrase, then ssh-keygen will generate keys which are not encrypted!" 19:54 chris then its all nice and seperate and to turn one off, i just comment out the include line 19:53 chris Include /etc/apache/koha-somethingelse-httpd.conf 19:53 LLMark OK! I'll go try and attempt to repor to the devel group when I get it all online and working! 19:53 chris include /etc/apache/koha-unido-httpd.conf 19:53 chris i have 19:52 LLMark WIll I have multiple SetEnv KOHA-CONF lines? 19:52 chris i do it that way i have one conf file for each install then in my main httpd.conf 19:52 chris koha-unido-httpd.conf for eg 19:52 kados LLMark: actually, two, one for the opac and one for the intranet 19:52 chris thats right 19:52 LLMark there must be a separate section in httpd.conf for each install, I take it? 19:51 chris joshua: i use passwordless keys 19:51 chris cool 19:51 LLMark yes! 19:50 chris does that make sense? 19:50 chris and you will have 2 koha's with 1 db each 19:50 chris then you do another install 19:50 chris you can see here that i set it to unidokoha.conf .. we have about 8 kohas running one box 19:49 chris set it to /etc/koha-1.conf 19:49 chris will say /etc/koha.conf 19:49 chris SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/etc/unidokoha.conf" 19:49 chris and edit the line in the httpd.conf that says 19:49 chris mv /etc/koha.conf to /etc/koha-1.conf (or some more senseable name) 19:48 chris then when that is finished 19:48 chris and put the stuff in /usr/local/koha1/ say when it asks you where to put the opac /usr/local/koha1/opac etc 19:47 chris you do one install 19:47 chris how you do that is 19:47 chris thats fine then :) 19:47 chris ahhh right 19:47 LLMark I want TWO separate databases on the same Linux Box 19:46 LLMark oops, I miscommunicated 19:46 kados chris: how do you do passwordless scp? 19:46 LLMark OK, at the beginnig of running installer.pl it says something about setting etcdir, but I didn't know when or where to do that. I take it this is to be done AFTER the installation? 19:45 chris and they each use their own database 19:45 chris one on each machine 19:45 chris then you just do 2 installs 19:44 chris ahh, right 19:44 LLMark no, two different collections, tho I will transfer records between the two occasionally, probably 19:44 chris in you /etc/koha.conf 19:44 chris if so, its not too hard 19:44 chris mark: sharing the same database? 19:43 chris hmm if the key is unencrypted that doesnt sound 2 nice kados 19:43 LLMark Yes, two installations of KOHA 19:43 LLMark sorry, I went away . . . 19:41 kados chris: I was going to add some documentation on setting that up for Koha (in the backups document) but I wanted to pass the idea by you first (to make sure it's the 'right' way to do it) 19:41 kados chris I may have asked you this before ... do you use ssh_keygen to create passwordless ssh keys for use in backup scripts (using scp)? ... /me recently read that if the keys are passwordless the key is unencrypted ... 19:32 chris so you want to have a central database somewhere, and have to machines serving the opac and librarian interface .. is that right? 19:32 chris hi mark 19:29 LLMark Need to set up a "dual" install, one for our local campus and one for our extensionin Romania. Seems like I need to be able to set the ETCDIR variable, but I need a little help, if possibel. Thanks, Mark 19:28 LLMark Anyone awake? 19:27 LLMark Hi 19:08 owen So the itemswaiting loop in circulation.pl has holdingbranch but not destination branch. Would I use FindReserves() to get reserves.branchcode? 18:51 chris and 2.2.2 and however many are made before 2.4.0 comes out 18:50 chris yes 18:50 kados so rel_2_2 will become 2.2.1 right? 18:50 owen I committed them to HEAD, though they probably could go in rel_2_2 as well 18:49 kados owen did you commit them to HEAD or 2.2.0? (how do we commit things to 2.2.1?) 18:47 owen Next on the list is circulation.pl :) 18:47 owen Okay, I've committed those changes to both opac-user.pl and request.pl. 18:46 tim We probably have more to send if you want to do one. 18:46 tim It does. 18:44 kados hehe that Flat Stanley looks like a lot of fun ;-) 18:42 chris sweet 18:42 tim I think I finally got the records and mapping set right on Koha. Been importing everything for a couple hours now. 18:40 tim That would be cool. We have a bunch of kids who made 'em. 18:38 owen Maybe Paul knows someone who'd take him in? 18:37 tim Thanks! She's been trying different places from a Flat Stanley mailing list without any luck. 18:37 chris thatd be cool 18:36 tim I can ask her for more detail when she gets out. 18:33 chris so that might be interesting 18:33 chris which is kinda like your guys independence day 18:33 chris waitangi day is feb 6 18:32 chris cool, ill take him to the nz vs australia cricket match later on then 18:32 tim She asked me before she went to start todays after-school programing. 18:32 tim I think they mail it. 18:32 chris :-) 18:32 chris ill even write a blog for him 18:31 chris right, well id be willing to look after stanley for a while 18:31 tim It doesn't matter if there are kids. 18:30 chris or do they want kids? i know someone who teaches at a primary school (u guys call it elementary i think) 18:29 tim I connected on the second try. 18:29 chris oh, and im going to australia for a week in february 18:28 chris if stanley was hanging out with me, he'd be in computer machine rooms, and in front of computer screens a lot :) 18:27 chris ohh yeah if you could fax it, and the journal 18:27 owen Can Stanley be faxed? ;) 18:27 chris shame it couldnt get here by monday, i could take it to the NZ vs the World 11 cricket match :) 18:26 chris so they mail me a flat stanley, and i take it places and write a journal and take photos of it? 18:26 chris i could do that 18:26 tim I couldn't connect. 18:25 owen http://www.enoreo.on.ca/flatstanley/ 18:25 chris righto 18:25 tim I'm trying to find a web site that would explain it better than I could. 18:24 chris what is flat stanley? 18:24 owen :) 18:24 chris ooh, i live there :-) 18:24 tim One of the kids even asked for NZ 18:23 chris doesnt ring any bells for me 18:23 tim She'd like to get someone from out of the US. 18:22 owen Can't remember if its something I heard about being done here or not. 18:22 owen I've heard of it. 18:21 tim She's looking for sponsors. 18:21 tim An off-topic question at the children's librarians request. 18:19 tim Anyone here know anything about Flat Stanley? 17:53 owen Hi rach 17:43 owen :) 17:42 kados better commit it right away :-) 17:42 kados cool! 17:42 owen Looks like it's working! 17:41 owen Yep 17:41 kados missing the ) ? 17:40 owen syntax error at /usr/local/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac-user.pl line 126, near "'';" 17:39 chris if it does, if you put that in around line 127, and then the if you should have the value available in the template 17:39 chris will fail 17:39 chris else my $item=getiteminformation('',$res->{'itemnumber'},''); 17:38 chris im assuming that $res contains the itemnumber 17:38 chris } 17:38 chris $res->{'atdestination'}=1; 17:38 chris if ($res->{'branchcode'} eq $item->{'holdingbranch'}){ 17:37 chris or 17:37 chris might do it 17:37 chris $res->{'holdingbranch'}=$item->{'holdingbranch'}; 17:36 chris my $item=getiteminformation('',$res->{'itemnumber'},''); 17:36 owen where 'wbrcode' is the destination branch for the reserve. I'd like to be able to do the same thing in opac-user.pl 17:36 owen } 17:36 owen $reserve{'atdestination'} = 1; 17:36 owen if($reserve{'holdingbranch'} eq $reserve{'wbrcode'}){ 17:36 owen Here's what I have in our copy of request.pl: 17:35 kados :) 17:35 chris :) 17:35 chris what script are u looking at joshua? 17:35 kados oops that won't work ... 17:34 kados so owen ... if you add $reserve{'holdingbranch'}=$item->{'holdingbranch'}; in the RESERVES loop that might work 17:33 chris how are u calling getiteminformation? 17:32 chris there is ItemInfo in Search.pm that might give you too much info tho 17:30 owen but that doesn't seem to work. 17:30 owen I thought we could use getiteminformation() inside the foreach at line 124 of opac-user.pl 17:29 chris yep 17:29 owen If not, then the item is still in transit 17:29 chris righto 17:29 owen If they match, then the items is really waiting. 17:28 owen I wanted to get both holdingbranch and pickup branch into that script so they could be compared 17:28 chris right 17:28 owen Here's the big picture: I was enlisting Joshua's help to get the holdingbranch information for waiting items output by opac-user.pl 17:28 kados looks like there's a npl customization for holdingbranch that was never committed 17:27 kados owen can fill you in on the details ;-) 17:27 kados sortof 17:27 chris found it? 17:27 kados chris: nevermind ... 17:26 kados owen and I are trying to figure out where the holdingbranch value (available in the template) is hidden in request.pl 17:26 chris yep 17:25 kados chris around? 14:01 paul :) 14:00 owen That's not a bad idea... Then you could use that cookie to change the template to one that was all red and black with skull-and-crossbones :) 14:00 paul will be a less load for the server 14:00 paul (at login stage) 13:59 paul maybe another solution would be to store debarred information in a cooki 13:58 owen That doesn't sound too bad. 13:57 paul and add a <!-- TMPL_UNLESS name="debarred" --> <!-- /TMPL_UNLESS --> in the templates 13:56 paul use C4::Members.pm::getmember to get member informations 13:56 paul mmm... it's probably easy 13:55 owen We're talking here at NPL about the possibility of blocking patrons from placing reserves if they are debarred. I wonder how difficult that would be? 13:36 paul when there is mistral : blue sky, but very very cold (for Marseille...) ! 13:36 paul (mistral is the wind we have in Marseille) 13:36 paul mistral here... 13:35 owen Snowy morning here today 13:35 owen Hi paul 13:34 paul good morning owen 13:26 ambrose hi paul 13:25 paul hi ambrose|w