Time  Nick     Message
18:03 kados    chris around yet?
18:03 chris    staff meeting joshua, be with ya later tho
18:04 kados    cool ...
18:04 rach     yep
18:05 kados    sweet
20:14 kados    any particular reason this form won't work:
20:14 kados    <form method="Post" action="/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="biblionumber" -->">
20:14 kados    <input type="submit" value="Details" /></form>
20:15 kados    it spits me back to the opac-search.pl page
20:18 chris    got a </form> ?
20:18 chris    and its not inside another form?
20:28 kados    hmmm ... this is really strange.  it works for some items but those items don't have any item information when they display ... and no holdings information either
20:29 kados    http://66.213.78.101/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl
20:29 kados    search on "a series of unfortunate"
20:29 kados    click on "Details"
20:29 kados    http://66.213.78.101/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=48240
20:30 kados    maybe I'm missing my tmpl_loop somewhere along the line (using incs can be confusing)
20:33 chris    hmm no its somehting more weird
20:33 chris    ie if i click details
20:33 chris    i get to the right page
20:33 chris    stuff doesnt show
20:33 chris    but if i hit reload, it does
20:33 chris    you're not doing something fancy with javascript or something are u?
20:34 kados    yep
20:34 kados    oh ... no I don't think so
20:34 chris    ie if i type in http://66.213.78.101/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=48240 the page shows fine
20:34 kados    right
20:34 chris    but if i get there from the search it doesnt
20:34 kados    weird eh?
20:41 chris    ohhhh
20:41 chris    perfectly simple
20:41 chris    ur doing a post right
20:41 kados    right
20:42 chris    but ur crafting the url like it was a get
20:42 kados    ahh ... so what's the right syntax?
20:42 chris    so ur not actually passing the biblio number through at all
20:42 chris    <form method=post action=/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl>
20:42 kados    I don't think it works at all as a get
20:43 chris    <input type=hidden name=bib value=something>
20:43 chris    ie, actually pass the info thru :)
20:44 chris    or you could go <a href=/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=something>Details</a>
20:44 chris    but you dont put the ?variable=something in the action of a form
20:46 chris    that make sense?
20:46 kados    yep
20:46 kados    thanks
21:06 kados    ok ... it's working ... only complaint is that the "value" field is also the field that's displayed ... instead of "Details" it now has the biblionumber
21:07 chris    thats why i suggested a hidden input
21:07 chris    and keep ur submit as it was :)
21:08 kados    ahh :-)
21:10 kados    hmmm it is hidden
21:10 kados    <form method="POST" action="/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?">
21:10 kados    <input type="submit" type=hidden name=bib value=<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="biblionumber" --> title="details" />
21:10 kados    </form>
21:12 chris    type="submit" type=hidden
21:13 chris    id do
21:13 chris    <form method="POST" action="/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl">
21:13 chris    no ?
21:13 chris    and <input type=hidden name=bib value=<!-- TMPL_VAR
21:13 chris                    NAME="biblionumber" --> title="details" />
21:13 chris    then <input type=submit value=Details>
21:13 chris    </form>
21:14 kados    ahh
21:15 kados    hmmm now I get two buttons
21:15 kados    ahh ive got an extra type
21:15 chris    yep
21:15 kados    thanks chris!
21:15 chris    no worries
21:16 kados    (what do you think of the templates ?)
21:16 chris    its nice
21:16 chris    not gonna get in trouble with cincinatti?
21:16 kados    well I'm mostly doing it to learn the templating
21:16 chris    right
21:16 kados    I"m thinking of releasing them annonomously tho as a proof of concept for Koha
21:17 kados    (the're paying $70 annual license for sirci)
21:17 kados    $70K that is :-)
21:17 chris    eeek
21:17 chris    thats madness
21:17 kados    yup
21:17 chris    u could hire me twice fulltime for that hehe
21:17 kados    hehe
21:18 chris    well one and a half anyway
21:18 chris    id go mental
21:18 kados    hehe
21:18 chris    id give it a month
21:18 chris    :)
21:18 kados    :-)
21:18 chris    70k a year is a lot of books
21:19 chris    cool
21:19 kados    as a subscription service or annual support service
21:19 chris    right
21:20 chris    i think selling ppl an annual support contract, would actually make koha more attractive
21:20 chris    in a weird way
21:20 chris    ie, ppl still have the idea that if its free its gonna be crap
21:20 rosa     I agree with you (having missed the rest of the conversation
21:20 chris    joshua was saying he was investigating the possibility of marketing koha professionally
21:21 chris    support contracts = piece of mind
21:21 chris    peace even :)
21:21 kados    yea that's what I'm thinking
21:21 chris    a koha appliance
21:21 kados    I'm really sick of library admins saying Koha isn't viable cause it's free
21:21 kados    so might as well charge for it :-)_
21:22 chris    ie, you rock in with a box, koha installed, plug it in and they pay you to maintain said box
21:22 kados    yep
21:22 kados    or just have lots of bandwidth and a server farm using ssl
21:22 chris    could even do fancy case mods and make it look pretty :)
21:22 chris    theres something comforting about a machine in your machine room though :)
21:23 chris    but yep, you could offer lots of options
21:23 kados    yea ... though for me it's much easier to troubleshoot from my living room :-)
21:23 chris    well, u make them make a ssh tunnel thru the firewall for you ;)
21:24 chris    i havent had to drive to levin to mess with HLT's koha ... hmm in a long long time
21:24 kados    hehe
21:25 chris    we (katipo) host a couple of Koha installs for people
21:25 kados    does opening a ssh tunnel generally meet with resistance?
21:25 chris    depends on the clue of the network/sys admin
21:25 kados    I guess it does open things up for a man-in-the-middle
21:25 chris    if they are knowledgeable, not usually
21:25 kados    but I'd think spoofing a thrid-party ssl would be pretty tough
21:26 chris    its a tradeoff
21:26 chris    like all security is
21:27 chris    certainly we couldnt do what we do without ssh
21:27 chris    well not for the price's we charge
21:28 chris    ie if i had to physically be in front of clients machines .. id spend all day driving
21:28 kados    right
21:28 kados    that'd really suck
21:29 chris    most ppl are pretty calm about ssh from a certain ip
21:29 kados    I'm really bad with directions so half the time I get lost
21:29 chris    heh
21:30 kados    what kind of bandwidth do you think a remote Koha install would require on my end ... think 512K would do?
21:30 chris    it'll depend entirely on how many ppl want to use it at once
21:31 chris    512K could get eaten quite fast if you had a few opac users and a few librarians at once
22:18 kados    sweet
22:18 kados    so that's the CGI module, right?
22:18 kados    or is it HTML::Template?
22:19 chris    i think HTML::Template
22:32 kados    chris I've been wondering this for years ... I thought I saw you (when you visited) purge your mutt account of deleted messages without exiting ... was that a brain fart?
22:32 kados    I've searched high and low with no results :-)
22:35 chris    nope
22:35 chris    $
22:35 chris    shift-4
22:35 chris    try that
22:36 chris    its good to do it occasionally even if you dont have deleted messages
22:37 chris    cos it will commit changes, ie the messages u already read, wont show up as new when u restart if it crashes or ur screen crashes or something
22:37 kados    ahh
22:37 kados    cool thanks
22:37 chris    no worries
22:38 kados    :-)
22:39 chris    nice
22:39 chris    this isnt koha stuff, i think 8 mins is my record for a remote koha install
06:18 JYL57    Hello !
06:18 JYL57    Paul available ?!
08:09 GenjiBed hiya paul.. how do i get into koha's cvs? i got a cvs client now, and i feel motivated.
08:46 JYL57    paul ?!
09:54 JYL57    Paul, chris, Genji, someone ?!
09:54 paul     oui, je suis là
09:54 paul     bonjour jean yves
09:54 JYL57    Ok Paul
09:54 JYL57    t'as 5 mn
09:55 paul     zyva, pose ta question, on verra
09:55 JYL57    fines2.pl bug chez moi
09:55 paul     je l'ai pas testé depuis longtemps.
09:55 paul     possible qu'il soit incompatible avec la v2.2
09:56 paul     mets un bug sur bugs.koha.org, je regarderai dès quepossible
09:56 JYL57    C'est dommage ! Comment je fais avec mes amendes ?!
09:56 paul     mmm... en fait, c'est même plus que possible
09:56 JYL57    Il y en a déjà 1 : 756 de mémoire
09:56 paul     les amendes sont dans issuingrules maintenant, plus dans jesaisplusou
09:57 paul     regarde dans le code et remplace jesaisplusou par issuingrules
09:57 JYL57    Oui, mais quel job dois-je mettre dans la cron table ?!
09:57 JYL57    Ok, je modifie chez moi le fines.pl alors !
09:57 paul     par exemple
09:57 paul     et si ca marche, tu me l'envoies je le commiterai
09:58 JYL57    ok, mais comment font les autres ?! pas d'amendes en cours pour personne alors...
10:40 paul     JYL57, ceux qui sont en 2.2 en france ne font pas d'amende, effectivement
10:41 paul     (l'EMN en fait, puisque les 2 autres, Dombes et Sorbonne ne font pas de prêt, donc pas d'amende ;-) )
10:45 JYL57    Ok, je joue avec fines & fines2 et t'envoie quelque chose...
10:46 JYL57    Il n'y a donc personne qui utilise 2.2 avec amendes, même hors france ?!
10:57 paul     (mais sur ce point, il y a pas mal de bibs qui ont développé des "trucs locaux")