Time Nick Message 10:59 Genji right... hey, im hyped on pepsi! 10:59 paul (easy, it's 3PM for me !) 10:59 paul but ... i realize it's 3AM for you ? don't you never sleep ? 10:59 paul having no windows, i would have some difficulties to test IE ;-) 10:57 Genji okay... but the default template is not ccs, so catalog spreads out, making you maximise the whole page to use it, ummm... you have used the default template with ie, yourself? 10:56 paul (www.openweb.eu.org at first, in french despite the name) 10:56 paul i've many links on this,but in french ;-) 10:56 paul they are poor HTML. with css they should be useless 10:56 Genji ? 10:56 Genji why are tables bad/ 10:56 Genji tables are bad? 10:56 paul that's why i dropped them almost everywhere (except when need to present a table of datas) 10:55 paul but tables are bad. 10:54 Genji eh, the compablity of the IE template with IE, and Opera? all i did was add a table that encompassed the two sections of the page. <td>'s really. 10:53 paul on what ? 10:53 Genji comments? 10:51 Genji now, time to look into creating that object orientated virtual shelf tree..... 10:49 Genji besides, thats the default koha password anyway.. one would need to be a newbie to leave the default password on any production software. 10:48 Genji "Its only a test database" .... as in ill get a proper login/pass done after it goes production. 10:47 paul (remember this chat is logged, so your login/pass are now public) 10:47 Genji its only a test database, so feel free to add test items. 10:46 Genji koha/koha 10:46 Genji pages to look at - catalog-home and acquisitions-additem-nomarc. 10:45 paul login/pass ? 10:45 Genji http://222-152-211-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz 10:42 Genji cool. ummmm... 10:42 paul ok, i'll see if it works under mozilla/Firefox/Opera... 10:41 Genji modify.. inside a new directory named IE. 10:41 paul you modify the default template or create a new one ? 10:41 Genji intranet. 10:41 paul for OPAC or librarian interface ? 10:40 Genji im also creating a IE compatable template (en) as i find the layout problems. 10:39 Genji yup, he'll get my full bnote patch message.. cool. 10:39 paul it's MJ Ray 10:39 paul i c ? 10:39 Genji oh.. i c. 10:38 Genji whats his full name? 10:38 paul yes, i think 10:38 Genji cool then. slef is on the koha list? 10:37 paul ??? works fine for me 10:36 Genji but haven't actually tested. 10:36 paul ok, just in additem-nomarc.pl so. 10:36 Genji Im thinking its also needed in systempreferences -> branch add/delete/edit.... 10:36 Genji not needed in saveitem.pl. 10:36 paul so, it's needed in saveitem.pl, additem-nomarc.pl and somewhere else ? 10:35 paul yes. I fix it. 10:35 Genji err.. C4::Acquisition.pm 10:34 Genji additem-nomarc.pl definately needs 'use c4::acquisitions.pm' to get branches. 10:33 Genji Ahhh.. not saveitem... but additem-nomarc... 10:32 Genji i saved... yet i got no error message... and C4::Acquisition nore c4::catalogue were use'd.. prehaps C4::Biblio loads C4::Acqusition? 10:32 Genji whoa.. hold on... 10:31 paul for sub branches ? 10:31 Genji saveitems.pl needs a new use line. use C4::Acquisition.pm; 10:30 paul ok, i ask slef just for confirm 10:30 Genji yup 10:30 paul with different values ? 10:30 Genji Yup. 10:30 paul biblio.notes & biblioitems.notes were both filled ? 10:29 Genji read the code, and changed my files, did some acquisitions... and looked at results. all good. 10:28 paul i'll ask slef, to have it's opinion, as he is the dev who played with notes & bnotes. 10:28 paul you tested this ? 10:27 Genji im sure, cause they are always referenced with $biblio->{'notes'} and $biblioitems->{'notes'}.. they don't seem to ever go into a variable $notes. 10:24 paul and notes when speaking of biblio notes 10:24 paul the trick was to use bnote when speaking of biblioitems notes 10:24 paul so we had to find a trick to identify them 10:23 paul because we had a problem with notes : it's defined in Biblio & biblioitems 10:23 paul are you sure for bnotes => notes ? 10:22 paul i'll commit immediatly all your bug reports into Koha. 10:19 paul grep -R "Branches" * 10:19 paul (with b, not B) 10:19 paul C4/Acquisition.pm:sub branches { 10:19 paul about Branches : 10:19 paul i'm back 10:18 Genji wow, ive done alot a bugs today. 09:54 Genji alive, paul? 09:53 Genji OHHHH.. found a grep for windows.. how do you search for "Branches" again? 09:52 Genji know of a good windows file search tool? 09:51 Genji hmm... did a search with windows.. couldn't find C4::Catalog::Branches. weird. 09:51 Genji router dropped. 09:45 paul C4/Acquisition.pm:sub branches { 09:44 paul do a grep -R "Branches" * 09:44 paul yes. And it probably already exist 09:43 Genji ah.. so the real problem, is C4::Catalogue::Branches needs to be moved somewhere? 09:40 Genji make take time to get somewhere.. but it would be entirely easier with a libary with LOTS of virtual shelves. 09:39 paul right. 09:39 Genji the point of it is, its like navigating a tree, rather than having a huge list of virtual shelves. 09:38 Genji within those sections are sections... main hall.theosophy main hall.general meditation room.theosophy meditation room.general meditation room.personal subjects ... and within those, you have more branches. 09:38 paul they are logic sections of physical ? 09:37 Genji okay, in my library, i have sections. main hall, meditation room. 09:36 paul (seems very exciting to you, however ;-) ) 09:36 Genji ack.. yahoo email server's not resolving. 09:36 paul i'm not sure to undestand well your virtual shefves suggestion... 09:36 paul i'm alive too. 09:36 paul hello 09:35 Genji ? 09:35 Genji you 09:35 Genji im alive here. 09:35 Genji hey paul! 05:57 Genji hmm.. challenge is implementing this in with the current virtual shelve system... including permissions.... Prehaps i have this type of structure only available to the main shelf list. 05:53 Genji Thinking that it comes from nested lists... Or prehaps its easier to create a new table, where theres two fields, parentshelf and childshelf. of course, there has to be , first entry, the mainshelf.. or the superparent or something... that has a list of all the first level shelves. 05:50 Genji at least, for koha. gets done in libraries all the time. Section, bookshelf, subject type of thing. 05:49 Genji hiya. i just invented the idea of using object orientated virtual shelves. 22:49 slef Have to love imdb reviews: "Happy Gilmore is unusual because it is one of the few bad films I've actually sat through until the end. I am unreliably informed that the US dropped copies of the DVD on Falluja to destroy the spirit of the rebels there." 19:48 slef it's a port town... I can see some of the docks from the house 19:48 slef on the river, about 5 miles or so inland at the closest point 19:39 rach ah I see it is not really on the sea 19:38 rach so is your town near the sea?, or more on the river 19:36 slef I prefer streetmap.co.uk, but I had multimap bookmarked 19:33 rach that is a pretty cool map system 19:33 rach ah cool thanks 18:40 slef forgot I had that bookmarked 18:40 slef rach: http://uk2.multimap.com/clients/browse.cgi?X=562000&Y=320500&gride=562078&gridn=320484&width=700&height=400&client=M6&db=ap&scale=10000&scale=4000000 17:31 chris hmm yep i reckon you could 17:30 indradg chris: I am wondering that using a setup like I have at my installation (the CD image server, Media server etc) and using the "Virtual BookShelves" we can create "proxy" collections like a Digital Library... wat do u think? 17:16 indradg gnome just happens to be the primary platform at my university 17:08 indradg slef: it does! we wanted to show off ;-P 17:08 slef and without gnome's overhead 17:08 slef indradg: didn't plugger already do that? 16:45 rach and it really does sound good :-) 16:44 rach ah now that I understand :-) 16:44 indradg simple english -> embedded a native streaming or otherwise media player into mozilla.. so like the user clicks the URL link... new window pops up and it like "hey presto!" 16:42 rach it's all just words to me, but sounds good :-) 16:41 indradg we even wrote a libbonobo component calling on gstreamer that could be embedded in mozilla built with gtk2 as the default widget set 16:40 indradg rach: thats how I was "push"ed in templating biz ;-) 16:39 rach yeah would be great 16:39 indradg ok 16:39 chris nope i dont htink ive heard of anyone else doing that ... some screenshots or a url would be great .. rach could maybe do a little news item on it for koha.org 16:38 chris hmmm 16:38 indradg dunno if this is being done elsewhere... but at my university... I have put together stuff like a CD image server (on-demand loading using apache, autofs and loopback) and linked to electronic content thru Koha... plus stuff like Streaming Media servers (delivering pre-recorded lectures) URLs exposed thru MARC URL tags 16:37 chris id just like to not lose to aussie :) 16:32 indradg yeah u bet :) 16:31 chris koha + greenstone .. now that would be pretty cool 16:30 indradg ROFL 16:30 si chances are they'll look at you like you're mental 16:30 si always useful to ask a digital library proponent if they have any concept of circulation in their system 16:29 indradg chris: this was the chief librarian of the university which is doing the DSpace implementation ;-) 16:28 chris ahh they didnt realise they are 2 different tools, for 2 different problems? 16:28 indradg recently got into an argument with someone here... why Koha why not greenstone? 16:26 chris templating is quite tricky 16:26 chris yeah its kinda scary in there :) 16:26 indradg then slowly found my feet :) 16:26 indradg i initially got all muddled up when I tried to look into GSDL code :P 16:25 chris cool :) i see its in use in india 16:25 indradg ohh... they have indeed 16:24 chris i wonder if they have heard of greenstone? 16:24 indradg for the whole jing-bang! 16:24 chris wow 16:24 indradg the aforementioned University is spending nearly USD 250,000 in Indian rupees 16:24 chris cripes .. thems some fairly steep requirements 16:23 indradg chris: http://dspace.org/faqs/index.html#hardware 16:23 chris ahh its a digital library .. like greenstone 16:20 indradg chris: went to have a look-see on a DSpace implementation today at an University nearby... HP tech staff was making a merry mess of it ;) 16:19 chris not me indradg 16:19 slef nah, was at a gig last night and nearly floored by cigarette smoke 16:18 rach cause that doesn't sound smokey :-) 16:18 rach so have you been having fires? 16:17 slef Nearest cities are Peterborough (30 miles WSW), Cambridge (35 miles S) and Norwich (45 miles E) 16:16 slef 120 miles east of Birmingham 16:16 slef I'm roughly on the southern point of the notch where the top of it joins the rest of England 16:16 indradg hi all... perhaps a way-out off-topic question to ask here... but have any of u used DSpace from MIT Libararies and HP? 16:15 slef as you go up the east coast from London, there's a large round bulge 16:15 rach and I was in birmingham last year 16:15 rach yup 16:15 slef well, you know the rough shape of England? 16:15 slef midlands start about 40 miles west or south-west 16:15 slef fens 16:14 slef No, 120 miles north 16:14 rach ah - you're in london aren't you? 16:14 rach where is your blog? 16:14 slef I'm confused by the comment "the big smoke" then 16:14 rach nope - but happy to :-) 16:13 slef rach: you been reading my blog? 16:08 rach hey slef, how's life in the big smoke treating you? 15:57 slef hi rach 15:53 rach hi 14:44 slef kados: sorry, I think you need to rethink what stability is. New features don't necessarily affect stability. 14:39 indradg hi MJ 14:39 slef hi indradg 14:39 slef I've got it down to 1 critical (waiting more info), and 2 majors (1 wontfix, 1 awaiting more info, 1 needs help) but it's difficult to squash big bugs during a stable series 14:38 slef yes, 2.0.0 released with too many major bugs 14:38 paul i have to leave 14:38 paul others have to be confirmed &/or explained a little bit more 14:38 indradg hi all 14:38 paul mmm... some of them where already here in 2.0.0 14:35 paul 11 major bugs ? 14:35 slef Do all 11 major bugs have good reason for not being fixed yet? 14:32 paul it's stable slef, it's not bugfree 14:31 slef I don't know how stable 2.2 is yet, as I've not tested it myself yet (been busy on 2.0 and other work) and the bug reports suggests it's not 14:31 slef having 2.2 prereleases hiding 2.0 releases is not nice 14:30 slef because 2.0 is supposed to be available at least until 2.2's release and probably a little bit after 14:15 kados SF is a bit slow today though :-/ 14:15 kados slef I just emailed the list about this (koha-devel) 14:12 paul it's "almost stable" and it's written everywhere (in version name, in release notes, during install) 14:11 paul why do you think it's required ? 14:11 slef paul: can we have RCs in another category to avoid hiding full releases, please? 14:10 slef hi 14:09 jmlongo ouch! :) 14:08 paul jmlongo : i don't know 14:08 paul (except a few bugs in what is required to acces a page) 14:08 jmlongo where can I set the expiry date for members? 14:08 paul no modifs in permissions 14:08 jmlongo I've one more question.... (I'lll make it fast!) 14:07 paul not sure kados 14:07 kados paul are permissions fixed in 2.2 yet? 14:07 paul (so i'll leave soon) 14:07 paul (but it's 6PM in France) 14:07 paul yes 14:07 jmlongo Paul... still there? 13:48 paul chris ? 12:44 jmlongo great! 12:44 paul and the french strings are gone ;-) 12:44 paul ./tmpl_process3.pl update -i xxx -o xxx -s xxx -x .*unimarc_field_1.* 12:43 paul it's useful, but only for UNIMARC. 12:43 paul .*unimarc_.* files 12:43 jmlongo would it still be usefull? 12:43 paul just exclude : 12:43 paul you can delete all thos strings during tmpl_process3.pl update 12:43 paul you're right 12:42 jmlongo partly because it's en french :) 12:42 jmlongo but I'm leaving all the unimarc stuff untranslated 12:42 paul great ! 12:42 jmlongo by the way... I'm half way translating the intranet to spanish... 12:40 jmlongo thank you very much! 12:40 jmlongo and... of course... the message is gone! 12:38 jmlongo ok.. I'll try it ... 12:36 paul needs some doc on release notes... 12:36 paul yep 12:36 jmlongo ahhh.... so I have to fill in the "*" columns and rows! 12:36 paul so you've say "any one can issue up to 0 books" 12:36 paul the c is for "any borrowertype" 12:35 jmlongo sometimes is "g".. but sometimes it's a "c" 12:33 paul so, the "children" can issue "10 book", but "0 anything" 12:32 jmlongo great! :) 12:32 paul that for a given borrower category, but * itemtype, you've let the 0 value 12:32 paul yes, but the "g" means 12:32 jmlongo for each itemtype and each user's category 12:32 paul it's the "g" that tells me ;-) 12:32 paul i've the solution too : 12:31 jmlongo but in my issuing rules table is set to 7,4 12:31 paul it's empty 12:31 paul it's a new table, that replace previous ones 12:30 paul you MUST fill the issuingrules table 12:30 paul ah, ok, i undersand : 12:30 jmlongo it's like the max number of issues for every book is set to 0 12:29 jmlongo it says Too many issues (already issued / max : g 0 / 0) 12:29 paul (bug on Koha 2.2.0RC1) 12:29 paul (it's empty when you issue a book that is requested. see previous mail on ml today) 12:28 paul this happends when there is a reason to ask for a confirm 12:28 paul without other informations ? 12:28 jmlongo every time I issue a book... I get a message asking me to 'confirm' it 12:27 jmlongo I have it working on two libraries simultaneously... and I have a little problem with issues... 12:26 paul thanks 12:26 jmlongo congrats on the 2.2RC1 release :) 12:25 paul hello 12:25 jmlongo hi there ! 12:02 kados I'm thinking of writing a short script to make symlinks to a Koha CVS repository for right after a default install ... 12:02 kados I see ... neat 12:01 paul ... 12:01 paul * subjects from EMN 12:01 paul * authorities for the 215-210 editor finder for christian editors 12:01 paul i'll add soon : 12:01 paul for various type of material 12:00 paul * a lot of pre defined frameworks (6 iirc) 12:00 paul for example, in french you have : 12:00 paul it's a way to import sql datas during install stage 12:00 paul it was Jacqueline ;-) 11:58 kados who's there (sorry, bad american joke :0) 11:58 paul phone ring 11:58 kados paul what is the select sql directory feature? 11:57 kados 860, 861 11:57 kados two minor installation bugs sofar 11:55 kados ok same password :-) 11:55 paul (i mean for the password) 11:55 paul you have the user of the 1st install 11:55 paul the user in the reinstall has NOT been stored. 11:55 paul just 1 thing : 11:55 paul it's mysql security 11:55 kados ok thanks 11:55 paul not a problem 11:54 kados is it a fatal error? 11:54 kados my fault for not deleting 11:54 kados 0ERROR 1062 at line 1: Duplicate entry '%-Koha-kohaadmin' for key 1 11:54 kados I get this error: 11:54 kados I just deleted an install of Koha on a test machine and reinstalled 11:54 kados paul ... quick question 11:34 paul at least ask on koha-dev if anybody has an idea ? 11:34 kados should I bug it? 11:34 paul should be here, i don't know why it is not... 11:32 kados makes sense 11:32 paul note they will work on MIGRATION first. 11:32 kados why not on the main page? 11:32 paul http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=283087 11:31 kados wow two more developers that's great 11:31 paul the link was in the mail : 11:31 kados paul where is koha 2.2 on sourceforge? (I don't see it on the main page) 11:30 paul Ouest Provence "gives" 2 dev (full time) & 1 project leader (half time) to their migration project 11:30 paul me, 1 librarian, 1 developper 11:30 paul we will probably be 3. 11:29 paul i'm not afraid ;-) 11:29 paul ok, i'll send him a mail. 11:29 kados But I'm sure he will encourage it 11:29 kados I think Stephen would be the one yes 11:29 paul yep 11:29 kados it'll be nice to finally meet in real person :-) 11:29 paul just to be sure : who should I ask for this travel ? Stephen ? 11:28 kados that's great! 11:27 kados someday we might be able to afford it 11:27 kados paul RFID is english too :-) 11:27 paul hi kados 11:27 kados hi all