Time  Nick    Message
11:27 kados   hi all
11:27 paul    hi kados
11:27 kados   paul RFID is english too :-)
11:27 kados   someday we might be able to afford it
11:28 kados   that's great!
11:29 paul    just to be sure : who should I ask for this travel ? Stephen ?
11:29 kados   it'll be nice to finally meet in real person :-)
11:29 paul    yep
11:29 kados   I think Stephen would be the one yes
11:29 kados   But I'm sure he will encourage it
11:29 paul    ok, i'll send him a mail.
11:29 paul    i'm not afraid ;-)
11:30 paul    we will probably be 3.
11:30 paul    me, 1 librarian, 1 developper
11:30 paul    Ouest Provence "gives" 2 dev (full time) & 1 project leader (half time) to their migration project
11:31 kados   paul where is koha 2.2 on sourceforge? (I don't see it on the main page)
11:31 paul    the link was in the mail :
11:31 kados   wow two more developers that's great
11:32 paul    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=283087
11:32 kados   why not on the main page?
11:32 paul    note they will work on MIGRATION first.
11:32 kados   makes sense
11:34 paul    should be here, i don't know why it is not...
11:34 kados   should I bug it?
11:34 paul    at least ask on koha-dev if anybody has an idea ?
11:54 kados   paul ... quick question
11:54 kados   I just deleted an install of Koha on a test machine and reinstalled
11:54 kados   I get this error:
11:54 kados   0ERROR 1062 at line 1: Duplicate entry '%-Koha-kohaadmin' for key 1
11:54 kados   my fault for not deleting
11:54 kados   is it a fatal error?
11:55 paul    not a problem
11:55 kados   ok thanks
11:55 paul    it's mysql security
11:55 paul    just 1 thing :
11:55 paul    the user in the reinstall has NOT been stored.
11:55 paul    you have the user of the 1st install
11:55 paul    (i mean for the password)
11:55 kados   ok same password :-)
11:57 kados   two minor installation bugs sofar
11:57 kados   860, 861
11:58 kados   paul what is the select sql directory feature?
11:58 paul    phone ring
11:58 kados   who's there (sorry, bad american joke :0)
12:00 paul    it was Jacqueline ;-)
12:00 paul    it's a way to import sql datas during install stage
12:00 paul    for example, in french you have :
12:00 paul    * a lot of pre defined frameworks (6 iirc)
12:01 paul    for various type of material
12:01 paul    i'll add soon :
12:01 paul    * authorities for the 215-210 editor finder for christian editors
12:01 paul    * subjects from EMN
12:01 paul    ...
12:02 kados   I see ... neat
12:02 kados   I'm thinking of writing a short script to make symlinks to a Koha CVS repository for right after a default install ...
12:25 jmlongo hi there !
12:25 paul    hello
12:26 jmlongo congrats on the 2.2RC1 release  :)
12:26 paul    thanks
12:27 jmlongo I have it working on two libraries simultaneously... and I have a little problem with issues...
12:28 jmlongo every time I issue a book... I get a message asking me to 'confirm' it
12:28 paul    without other informations ?
12:28 paul    this happends when there is a reason to ask for a confirm
12:29 paul    (it's empty when you issue a book that is requested. see previous mail on ml today)
12:29 paul    (bug on Koha 2.2.0RC1)
12:29 jmlongo it says Too many issues (already issued / max : g 0 / 0)
12:30 jmlongo it's like the max number of issues for every book is set to 0
12:30 paul    ah, ok, i undersand :
12:30 paul    you MUST fill the issuingrules table
12:31 paul    it's a new table, that replace previous ones
12:31 paul    it's empty
12:31 jmlongo but in my issuing rules table is set to 7,4
12:32 paul    i've the solution too :
12:32 paul    it's the "g" that tells me ;-)
12:32 jmlongo for each itemtype and each user's category
12:32 paul    yes, but the "g" means
12:32 paul    that for a given borrower category, but * itemtype, you've let the 0 value
12:32 jmlongo great!  :)
12:33 paul    so, the "children" can issue "10 book", but "0 anything"
12:35 jmlongo sometimes is "g".. but sometimes it's a "c"
12:36 paul    the c is for "any borrowertype"
12:36 paul    so you've say "any one can issue up to 0 books"
12:36 jmlongo ahhh....  so I have to fill in the "*" columns and rows!
12:36 paul    yep
12:36 paul    needs some doc on release notes...
12:38 jmlongo ok.. I'll try it ...
12:40 jmlongo and... of course... the message is gone!
12:40 jmlongo thank you very much!
12:42 jmlongo by the way...   I'm half way translating the intranet to spanish...
12:42 paul    great !
12:42 jmlongo but I'm leaving all the unimarc stuff untranslated
12:42 jmlongo partly because it's en french  :)
12:43 paul    you're right
12:43 paul    you can delete all thos strings during tmpl_process3.pl update
12:43 paul    just exclude :
12:43 jmlongo would it still be usefull?
12:43 paul    .*unimarc_.* files
12:43 paul    it's useful, but only for UNIMARC.
12:44 paul    ./tmpl_process3.pl update -i xxx -o xxx -s xxx -x .*unimarc_field_1.*
12:44 paul    and the french strings are gone ;-)
12:44 jmlongo great!
13:48 paul    chris ?
14:07 jmlongo Paul... still there?
14:07 paul    yes
14:07 paul    (but it's 6PM in France)
14:07 paul    (so i'll leave soon)
14:07 kados   paul are permissions fixed in 2.2 yet?
14:07 paul    not sure kados
14:08 jmlongo I've one more question.... (I'lll make it fast!)
14:08 paul    no modifs in permissions
14:08 jmlongo where can I set the expiry date for members?
14:08 paul    (except a few bugs in what is required to acces a page)
14:08 paul    jmlongo : i don't know
14:09 jmlongo ouch!  :)
14:10 slef    hi
14:11 slef    paul: can we have RCs in another category to avoid hiding full releases, please?
14:11 paul    why do you think it's required ?
14:12 paul    it's "almost stable" and it's written everywhere (in version name, in release notes, during install)
14:15 kados   slef I just emailed the list about this (koha-devel)
14:15 kados   SF is a bit slow today though :-/
14:30 slef    because 2.0 is supposed to be available at least until 2.2's release and probably a little bit after
14:31 slef    having 2.2 prereleases hiding 2.0 releases is not nice
14:31 slef    I don't know how stable 2.2 is yet, as I've not tested it myself yet (been busy on 2.0 and other work) and the bug reports suggests it's not
14:32 paul    it's stable slef, it's not bugfree
14:35 slef    Do all 11 major bugs have good reason for not being fixed yet?
14:35 paul    11 major bugs ?
14:38 paul    mmm... some of them where already here in 2.0.0
14:38 indradg hi all
14:38 paul    others have to be confirmed &/or explained a little bit more
14:38 paul    i have to leave
14:38 slef    yes, 2.0.0 released with too many major bugs
14:39 slef    I've got it down to 1 critical (waiting more info), and 2 majors (1 wontfix, 1 awaiting more info, 1 needs help) but it's difficult to squash big bugs during a stable series
14:39 slef    hi indradg
14:39 indradg hi MJ
14:44 slef    kados: sorry, I think you need to rethink what stability is. New features don't necessarily affect stability.
15:53 rach    hi
15:57 slef    hi rach
16:08 rach    hey slef, how's life in the big smoke treating you?
16:13 slef    rach: you been reading my blog?
16:14 rach    nope - but happy to :-)
16:14 slef    I'm confused by the comment "the big smoke" then
16:14 rach    where is your blog?
16:14 rach    ah - you're in london aren't you?
16:14 slef    No, 120 miles north
16:15 slef    fens
16:15 slef    midlands start about 40 miles west or south-west
16:15 slef    well, you know the rough shape of England?
16:15 rach    yup
16:15 rach    and I was in birmingham last year
16:15 slef    as you go up the east coast from London, there's a large round bulge
16:16 indradg hi all... perhaps a way-out off-topic question to ask here... but have any of u used DSpace from MIT Libararies and HP?
16:16 slef    I'm roughly on the southern point of the notch where the top of it joins the rest of England
16:16 slef    120 miles east of Birmingham
16:17 slef    Nearest cities are Peterborough (30 miles WSW), Cambridge (35 miles S) and Norwich (45 miles E)
16:18 rach    so have you been having fires?
16:18 rach    cause that doesn't sound smokey :-)
16:19 slef    nah, was at a gig last night and nearly floored by cigarette smoke
16:19 chris   not me indradg
16:20 indradg chris: went to have a look-see on a DSpace implementation today at an University nearby... HP tech staff was making a merry mess of it ;)
16:23 chris   ahh its a digital library .. like greenstone
16:23 indradg chris: http://dspace.org/faqs/index.html#hardware
16:24 chris   cripes .. thems some fairly steep requirements
16:24 indradg the aforementioned University is spending nearly USD 250,000 in Indian rupees
16:24 chris   wow
16:24 indradg for the whole jing-bang!
16:24 chris   i wonder if they have heard of greenstone?
16:25 indradg ohh... they have indeed
16:25 chris   cool :) i see its in use in india
16:26 indradg i initially got all muddled up when I tried to look into GSDL code :P
16:26 indradg then slowly found my feet :)
16:26 chris   yeah its kinda scary in there :)
16:26 chris   templating is quite tricky
16:28 indradg recently got into an argument with someone here... why Koha why not greenstone?
16:28 chris   ahh they didnt realise they are 2 different tools, for 2 different problems?
16:29 indradg chris: this was the chief librarian of the university which is doing the DSpace implementation ;-)
16:30 si      always useful to ask a digital library proponent if they have any concept of circulation in their system
16:30 si      chances are they'll look at you like you're mental
16:30 indradg ROFL
16:31 chris   koha + greenstone .. now that would be pretty cool
16:32 indradg yeah u bet :)
16:37 chris   id just like to not lose to aussie :)
16:38 indradg dunno if this is being done elsewhere... but at my university... I have put together stuff like a CD image server (on-demand loading using apache, autofs and loopback) and linked to electronic content thru Koha... plus stuff like Streaming Media servers (delivering pre-recorded lectures) URLs exposed thru MARC URL tags
16:38 chris   hmmm
16:39 chris   nope i dont htink ive heard of anyone else doing that ... some screenshots or a url would be great .. rach could maybe do a little news item on it for koha.org
16:39 indradg ok
16:39 rach    yeah would be great
16:40 indradg rach: thats how I was "push"ed in templating biz ;-)
16:41 indradg we even wrote a libbonobo component calling on gstreamer that could be embedded in mozilla built with gtk2 as the default widget set
16:42 rach    it's all just words to me, but sounds good :-)
16:44 indradg simple english -> embedded a native streaming or otherwise media player into mozilla.. so like the user clicks the URL link... new window pops up and it like "hey presto!"
16:44 rach    ah now that I understand :-)
16:45 rach    and it really does sound good :-)
17:08 slef    indradg: didn't plugger already do that?
17:08 slef    and without gnome's overhead
17:08 indradg slef: it does! we wanted to show off ;-P
17:16 indradg gnome just happens to be the primary platform at my university
17:30 indradg chris: I am wondering that using a setup like I have at my installation (the CD image server, Media server etc) and using the "Virtual BookShelves" we can create "proxy" collections like a Digital Library... wat do u think?
17:31 chris   hmm yep i reckon you could
18:40 slef    rach: http://uk2.multimap.com/clients/browse.cgi?X=562000&Y=320500&gride=562078&gridn=320484&width=700&height=400&client=M6&db=ap&scale=10000&scale=4000000
18:40 slef    forgot I had that bookmarked
19:33 rach    ah cool thanks
19:33 rach    that is a pretty cool map system
19:36 slef    I prefer streetmap.co.uk, but I had multimap bookmarked
19:38 rach    so is your town near the sea?, or more on the river
19:39 rach    ah I see it is not really on the sea
19:48 slef    on the river, about 5 miles or so inland at the closest point
19:48 slef    it's a port town... I can see some of the docks from the house
22:49 slef    Have to love imdb reviews: "Happy Gilmore is unusual because it is one of the few bad films I've actually sat through until the end. I am unreliably informed that the US dropped copies of the DVD on Falluja to destroy the spirit of the rebels there."
05:49 Genji   hiya. i just invented the idea of using object orientated virtual shelves.
05:50 Genji   at least, for koha. gets done in libraries all the time. Section, bookshelf, subject type of thing.
05:53 Genji   Thinking that it comes from nested lists... Or prehaps its easier to create a new table, where theres two fields, parentshelf and childshelf. of course, there has to be , first entry, the mainshelf.. or the superparent or something... that has a list of all the first level shelves.
05:57 Genji   hmm.. challenge is implementing this in with the current virtual shelve system... including permissions.... Prehaps i have this type of structure only available to the main shelf list.
09:35 Genji   hey paul!
09:35 Genji   im alive here.
09:35 Genji   you
09:35 Genji   ?
09:36 paul    hello
09:36 paul    i'm alive too.
09:36 paul    i'm not sure to undestand well your virtual shefves suggestion...
09:36 Genji   ack.. yahoo email server's not resolving.
09:36 paul    (seems very exciting to you, however ;-) )
09:37 Genji   okay, in my library, i have sections. main hall, meditation room.
09:38 paul    they are logic sections of physical ?
09:38 Genji   within those sections are sections... main hall.theosophy main hall.general meditation room.theosophy meditation room.general meditation room.personal subjects ... and within those, you have more branches.
09:39 Genji   the point of it is, its like navigating a tree, rather than having a huge list of virtual shelves.
09:39 paul    right.
09:40 Genji   make take time to get somewhere.. but it would be entirely easier with a libary with LOTS of virtual shelves.
09:43 Genji   ah.. so the real problem, is C4::Catalogue::Branches needs to be moved somewhere?
09:44 paul    yes. And it probably already exist
09:44 paul    do a grep -R "Branches" *
09:45 paul    C4/Acquisition.pm:sub branches {
09:51 Genji   router dropped.
09:51 Genji   hmm... did a search with windows.. couldn't find C4::Catalog::Branches. weird.
09:52 Genji   know of a good windows file search tool?
09:53 Genji   OHHHH.. found a grep for windows.. how do you search for "Branches" again?
09:54 Genji   alive, paul?
10:18 Genji   wow, ive done alot a bugs today.
10:19 paul    i'm back
10:19 paul    about Branches :
10:19 paul    C4/Acquisition.pm:sub branches {
10:19 paul    (with b, not B)
10:19 paul     grep -R "Branches" *
10:22 paul    i'll commit immediatly all your bug reports into Koha.
10:23 paul    are you sure for bnotes => notes ?
10:23 paul    because we had a problem with notes : it's defined in Biblio & biblioitems
10:24 paul    so we had to find a trick to identify them
10:24 paul    the trick was to use bnote when speaking of biblioitems notes
10:24 paul    and notes when speaking of biblio notes
10:27 Genji   im sure, cause they are always referenced with $biblio->{'notes'} and $biblioitems->{'notes'}.. they don't seem to ever go into a variable $notes.
10:28 paul    you tested this ?
10:28 paul    i'll ask slef, to have it's opinion, as he is the dev who played with notes & bnotes.
10:29 Genji   read the code, and changed my files, did some acquisitions... and looked at results. all good.
10:30 paul    biblio.notes & biblioitems.notes were both filled ?
10:30 Genji   Yup.
10:30 paul    with different values ?
10:30 Genji   yup
10:30 paul    ok, i ask slef just for confirm
10:31 Genji   saveitems.pl needs a new use line. use C4::Acquisition.pm;
10:31 paul    for sub branches ?
10:32 Genji   whoa.. hold on...
10:32 Genji   i saved... yet i got no error message... and C4::Acquisition nore c4::catalogue were use'd.. prehaps C4::Biblio loads C4::Acqusition?
10:33 Genji   Ahhh.. not saveitem... but additem-nomarc...
10:34 Genji   additem-nomarc.pl definately needs 'use c4::acquisitions.pm' to get branches.
10:35 Genji   err.. C4::Acquisition.pm
10:35 paul    yes. I fix it.
10:36 paul    so, it's needed in saveitem.pl, additem-nomarc.pl and somewhere else ?
10:36 Genji   not needed in saveitem.pl.
10:36 Genji   Im thinking its also needed in systempreferences -> branch add/delete/edit....
10:36 paul    ok, just in additem-nomarc.pl so.
10:36 Genji   but haven't actually tested.
10:37 paul    ??? works fine for me
10:38 Genji   cool then. slef is on the koha list?
10:38 paul    yes, i think
10:38 Genji   whats his full name?
10:39 Genji   oh.. i c.
10:39 paul    i c ?
10:39 paul    it's MJ Ray
10:39 Genji   yup, he'll get my full bnote patch message.. cool.
10:40 Genji   im also creating a IE compatable template (en) as i find the layout problems.
10:41 paul    for OPAC or librarian interface ?
10:41 Genji   intranet.
10:41 paul    you modify the default template or create a new one ?
10:41 Genji   modify.. inside a new directory named IE.
10:42 paul    ok, i'll see if it works under mozilla/Firefox/Opera...
10:42 Genji   cool. ummmm...
10:45 Genji   http://222-152-211-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz
10:45 paul    login/pass ?
10:46 Genji   pages to look at - catalog-home and acquisitions-additem-nomarc.
10:46 Genji   koha/koha
10:47 Genji   its only a test database, so feel free to add test items.
10:47 paul    (remember this chat is logged, so your login/pass are now public)
10:48 Genji   "Its only a test database" .... as in ill get a proper login/pass done after it goes production.
10:49 Genji   besides, thats the default koha password anyway.. one would need to be a newbie to leave the default password on any production software.
10:51 Genji   now, time to look into creating that object orientated virtual shelf tree.....
10:53 Genji   comments?
10:53 paul    on what ?
10:54 Genji   eh, the compablity of the IE template with IE, and Opera? all i did was add a table that encompassed the two sections of the page. <td>'s really.
10:55 paul    but tables are bad.
10:56 paul    that's why i dropped them almost everywhere (except when need to present a table of datas)
10:56 Genji   tables are bad?
10:56 Genji   why are tables bad/
10:56 Genji   ?
10:56 paul    they are poor HTML. with css they should be useless
10:56 paul    i've many links on this,but in french ;-)
10:56 paul    (www.openweb.eu.org at first, in french despite the name)
10:57 Genji   okay... but the default template is not ccs, so catalog spreads out, making you maximise the whole page to use it, ummm... you have used the default template with ie, yourself?
10:59 paul    having no windows, i would have some difficulties to test IE ;-)
10:59 paul    but ... i realize it's 3AM for you ? don't you never sleep ?
10:59 paul    (easy, it's 3PM for me !)
10:59 Genji   right... hey, im hyped on pepsi!