Time Nick Message 12:44 owen indradg, are you around? 12:45 indradg owen: hi 12:45 owen Joshua asked me for help in writing a templating guide, but haven't gotten around to it. 12:46 indradg ok 12:46 owen Did you have some ideas? It sounded like you were interested in the topic. 12:47 indradg yes I was... simply reason... ppl (read lib) here think that the default themes and templates are all that can be 12:47 indradg I encountered 2 cases where things werent arranged like their current proprietory soln... so they simply wrote off Koha for that 12:48 owen So the best templating guide would be one that concentrated on the HTML aspect rather than Perl + HTML 12:48 indradg right! my idea too 12:49 indradg these ppl aren't developers (perl hackers) but some of them maintain web pages so familiar with HTML 12:49 indradg and Dreamweaver 12:49 indradg ;-) 12:49 owen A guide would probably have to start with a description of HTML::Template basics, like TMPL_VAR and TMPL_LOOP 12:50 owen Anyone who tries to use Dreamweaver on a tmpl file is in for trouble! 12:50 indradg yeah :P 12:51 owen I have a talk recently to a group of librarians on the subject of standards in web development and hardly any of them knew HTML. 12:52 indradg out here in india -- nearly all graduates do a "computer course" in which basic HTML is de-rigour 12:52 owen I think that's the case with American library schools right now, but not in the past, of course. And many of these people never went to library school. 12:54 indradg I was thinking that in the HOWTO to include a step-by-step example of modifying the tmpl files... most ppl are looking for example code to copy and try their own combinations on that 12:58 owen The hardest part of making changes to an existing template is understanding the structure of the existing one. The CSS-based templates will be even more difficult for folks who aren't used to that kind of markup. 13:11 owen I've created a heading on the wiki for a templating manual. 13:11 owen There's nothing there yet, though: http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?action=edit&page=TemplatingManaul 13:12 indradg gee thanks! I will start on the first structure this weekend 13:13 indradg right now busy on a few projects nearing closure 13:14 indradg or u can add some of ur thoughts and then maybe we both can keep adding to it 13:14 owen That sounds good. 13:45 owen paul, if you're around I have a question for you 14:15 owen Hi essemm 14:16 essemm owen: hi 15:28 indradg rach: hi 16:05 rach hi 18:32 kados owen this problem is only with 2.2 right? 18:32 owen Yes 18:34 kados I seem to recall that the loops that implemented that whole series of questions were pretty flakey 18:34 kados maybe paul's been working on them 18:35 owen A lot of bug-fixing had been done to correct those problems, and there was just one remaining glitch (and a non-intrusive one) 18:35 owen But now it's all been taken out. And circulation.pl hasn't been worked on in ages. 18:58 kados hmmm those switches in Circ2 look pretty much the same to me 19:30 kados owen your connection is pretty bad again today 19:30 kados (according to my logs :-)) 19:30 owen Yup. 19:30 owen You'd better believe it! 19:31 owen Kinda makes work difficult when it takes a whole minute to transfer a single file to the server. 19:34 chris hey guys 19:34 owen Hi chris 19:34 chris owen, ill try to look at the circ stuff soon as i get a chance 19:34 chris thats a show stopper for all our clients also 19:34 owen Thanks. 19:35 chris i know paul rewrote the circ code, he musta missed it out by accidenet 19:35 owen yeah, and it's not something that comes up without deliberate testing 19:36 chris right 19:38 chris heh 19:38 chris spam will always find a way 19:44 kados hey chris 20:43 tungsten hi 20:43 tungsten can I just do an upgrade with a 2.0.0 install to 2.2? 20:44 tungsten and does 2.2 support marc21? 20:44 tungsten can I just do an upgrade with a 2.0.1 install to 2.2? 21:31 tungsten when trying to upgrade from 2.0.1 to 2.2 I'm getting the correct error message /usr/local/koha/intranet/htdocs etc does not exist 21:32 tungsten when trying to upgrade from 2.0.1 to 2.2 I'm getting the correct error message /usr/local/koha/intranet/htdocs200411171909 and htdocs200411131511 do exist? 21:33 tungsten /usr/local/koha/intranet/htdocs200411171909 and htdocs200411131511 do exist? 21:33 tungsten scrips and cgi have the same prob date extensions on the directory anme 06:00 rach bonjour paul 06:00 paul hello rach 06:00 paul about the mail you send for bug in circ 06:01 rach yes - I just sent that to you 06:01 paul is it the problem owen reported as 858 . 06:01 paul http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=858 06:01 paul ? 06:01 rach if it is just that then it's probably not a blocker 06:01 paul i've found another one : you can reserve an item even if notforloan is checked for itemtype. 06:02 paul i'm hunting. Should be dead in some minuts. 06:02 rach oh that would be great 06:02 rach I just thought it best not to get any more folks reporting the same bugs :-) 06:02 paul (i'm speaking of notforloan problem. will hunt owen one just after) 06:02 rach ah great 06:03 paul i could release a 2.2.0RC1b today or next day 06:03 rach that would be really good - I could do a news bit, and then people would have the weekend for a bit of a play :-) 06:03 paul :-) 06:04 rach we have another long awaited project going live tomorrow which will make it a big news day :-) 06:05 paul pls tell me... 06:05 paul (I've another important news on Koha) 06:06 rach ah not a koha thing 06:06 rach it is a content management/website builder 06:06 rach - www.wcn.net.nz 06:06 paul mmm... another one or you get involved in an existing project ? 06:07 rach they give free webhosting for local community groups, and so we've done some work to make it easy for those groups to build sites 06:07 rach um it is Kea - the one we've had for a few years 06:08 rach so not a new one 06:08 paul ok, I know Kea. And like it except it's really sloowwww from france... 06:08 rach :-) 06:08 paul my news is on Koha : 60km far from me, there is a library like Nelsonville (250 000 items, 6 public branches...) that want to migrate on Koha. 06:08 rach yes I can imagine it would be 06:08 rach woo - that is cool 06:08 paul they will put 2 developpers at full time on Koha 06:08 rach that is great news 06:08 paul puls 1 project manager half time. 06:08 rach wow 06:08 paul (and a few money for me to help them) 06:09 paul they need a lot of things like RFID 06:09 rach that is great 06:09 paul (/me not sure RFID is english term) 06:09 paul what's really great is that they are 60km from my home ! 06:09 paul they want to go to Nelsonville in January/feb 06:10 paul and i'll go with them 06:10 rach oh cool 06:10 rach yay - road trip :-) 06:10 paul (if nelsonville accepts us, of course= 06:10 rach RFID I think is the same 06:10 rach it's the smart tags in books isn't it? 06:11 rach on = in 06:12 paul smart tags ? if you mean a small processor to identify it by electronic machines, to avoid thiefs and help circ, then yes, that's it 06:13 rach yep that's what I mean :-) 06:15 rach well that is all really good news paul 08:33 Genji hi all.