Time Nick Message 08:53 paul (note also that OPAC must work on any browser. IE compliance is important here. But it should work I think) 08:52 paul (of course, if someone modify Koha to have a librarian interface working under Mozilla AND IE, i'll accept it ;-) ) 08:52 paul and won't probably never work (at least, I won't do anything to make it work : there is no good reason for librarian to use IE) 08:51 paul Koha librarian interface DON'T work on IE. 08:49 paul back Genji 08:08 Genji And the new main page using javascript, doesnt work in opera. 08:06 Genji eh.. in IE.. the templating needs alot of work. 08:05 Genji and done. 08:04 Genji ahh.. second time lucky, all the updates are running. 08:03 Genji subscription table doesn't exist... 08:02 Genji deleted my koha database, restored previous version backup.... 08:01 paul_away good idea, not easy to do 08:01 Genji bye paul. 08:01 Genji there should be a version field somewhere in koha, in a "About this installation" table.. with the database version number. 07:59 Genji simple bug... wonder why it escaped. 07:59 Genji Global symbol "$context" requires explicit package name at /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/z3950daemon/processz3950queue line 110. 07:58 Genji mail is in... one moment. 07:58 Genji drat. should be more people up at this time to support those coding. 07:57 paul yep 07:57 Genji eh? leaving? 07:57 paul that's a possibility 07:57 Genji what i can do, is erase my koha db.. put my suspected 2.0.0 one in there, and check for those tables. 07:56 Genji that or its a big report.. 07:55 Genji of course the net is being crap so it may take a minute to get it. 07:54 Genji got a bug report in my mail from koha list. 07:54 paul it should have, 07:54 Genji well.. i just did the update script... it may of added it without showing up. 07:53 paul 1000% sure ! 07:53 paul subscription table appeared in 2.1.0 or 2.1.1 NOT before 07:53 Genji ? 07:53 Genji 1.9.2/ 07:53 Genji hmmm.. then what was it? 07:53 paul so, your DB was not a 2.0.0 one ! 07:52 Genji wierd. 07:52 Genji ya. i do. 07:51 paul (subscription and subscriptionhistory) 07:51 paul do you have subscriptions tables ? 07:51 paul mmm... really strange, you're right 07:50 Genji and is it completely certain that all the code from 2.1.x that relates to those other fields were removed? i mean.. i had a whole screen of changes on the 2.1.x update.. 2.0.0pre2 to 2.2.0... only 8 lines of changes. 07:48 paul ?? 07:48 Genji so how come alot of database changes were done in 2.1.3? 07:48 Genji i went back to my backup of 2.0.0pre2 data.. and updatedatabased it. 07:48 paul nothing iirc. that's why I think 2.2RC1 is stable enough 07:47 Genji -blinks- 2.1.3 saw heaps of things changed in the database... 2.2.0rc1 .... very little changed, according to updatedatabase 07:37 paul should work 07:37 Genji hmm.. koha.upgrade doesn't work on win32 soo .. im doing a straight copy, and run the updatedatabase script. 07:12 Genji eh crap. koha.update doesn't work on win32 machines.. because POSIX::termios is not implemented for win32. 07:05 Genji with quotes? 07:05 paul yep (with quotes) 07:05 Genji right? 07:05 Genji Hmm.. i could do a test..... update lastseen value 2004-11-09 where biblionumber=1 07:04 Genji aye. looked in the mysql.. the field type is DATE 07:04 paul if i'm right : YYYY-MM-DD should work fine 07:03 paul mmm... dates are always a pain... 07:03 Genji cool. Okay, I have dates all in excel's serial number based format.. i can convert them to anything easy enough using a Date::Manip statement.. but my question is, what format does koha want me to put the lastseen date in, in newitems()? 07:01 paul france 07:01 Genji of course, England huh? 07:01 paul yes, it's 11AM for me :-D Not a time to go to bed ! 07:01 Genji you still awake? 07:01 Genji hiya paul 05:59 paul ok, have sweet dreams. 05:59 rach ah well - time for me to go for a shower and bed I think 05:56 rach chris managed it for UNIDO tho - although maybe that was marc already, I forget 05:56 rach yep and that's what's gone wrong I believe 05:56 paul the biggest pain with 1.2 => 2.0 upgrade is MARC mapping & rebuilding 05:55 rach ah ok 05:55 paul I think it's exactly the same 05:55 rach rather than try and work out whats gone wrong with their DIY attempts 05:52 rach so she has mapping problems with their marc etc - so that should get sorted out before an upgrade? 05:52 paul the 1.2 => 2.2 upgrade does NOT work (it's in capitals in release notes) 05:52 paul ok. They MUST get a 2.0 working then upgrade to 2.2 05:52 rach and I specifically told her not to 05:51 rach No they went to 2.0 05:51 rach do you think it's better to go forward to 2.2 and try and not try and get 2.0 going 05:51 paul he upgraded to 2.2RC1 ? 05:51 rach Paul someone who upgraded from 1.2.3 (against our advice I might add), has got into a world of hurt 05:48 rach I'll put out something tommorrow 05:48 rach :-) 05:48 paul (3PM for me :-D ) 05:48 paul yes 05:48 paul http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=283087 05:48 rach ahh at 3am 05:47 paul didn't you see the announces on koha & koha-dev ? 05:47 rach ah then I am just dim 05:47 paul yes, of course. 05:47 rach Yes - is it out? 05:46 paul rach, could you take care of making noise on Koha 2.2RC1 ? 05:46 paul only 1 weakness : their machine is old and SIP compliant, not SIP2 05:45 rach that is excellent 05:45 rach cool 05:45 paul Koha will work with a 3M self-borrowing bot 05:45 rach great 05:45 paul funds an interface for a new nice feature... 05:45 paul one of them (CMI) 05:44 paul (lot of job on Koha :-) ) 05:44 paul (for 2 i've answered & it's OK, for 3 others, i've answered and it should be OK soon...) 05:44 paul i've more than 10 RFP for instance... 05:44 paul working on 3 RFPs 05:44 paul fine, thanks 05:43 rach how are you today? 05:43 rach hi paul 05:42 paul hello rach 03:43 rach and then rearranged the text 03:43 rach so I took the existing template - took a screen shot 03:43 rach I made the mockups in photoshop 03:38 Genji So, where do the gallery mock ups come from? 03:38 rach they are higgledy piggledy 03:37 rach they are just not arranged in this way 03:37 rach all the actual admin options are currently in the template 03:37 rach nope 03:35 Genji eh... then this admin page is fully functional? 03:14 rach chris tells me it's the "katipo" ones for the intranet 03:14 rach or possibley the "katipo" ones 03:14 rach I think those templates are the "vanilla" ones 03:13 rach ah yes probably 02:04 Genji eh, before im going to do the admin screen, i have to install 2.2.RC1. 01:56 Genji wheres the html files these pics are based on? 01:53 rach but the general idea was to group them in some sort of saner way 01:53 rach there have been some good suggestions as to how to break some of them up differently 01:52 rach http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/koha-admin 01:50 Genji wheres this mock up of this admin page, rach? 01:48 rach sure 01:48 Genji why i am doing this, is because i can't use the smtp server on ezysurf anymore. 01:48 rach done 01:47 Genji yup. 01:47 rach genji you want the old one unsubbed? 01:46 rach culater 01:46 indradg rach genji bye for now! got a meeting coming up at the office... time to earn my living :) 01:46 Genji genji18@yahoo.co.nz is the one that it needs to change to. 01:45 rach is the one I have 01:45 rach genjimoto@ezysurf.co.nz 01:44 rach OK genji what's your mail addy? 01:43 rach that is 3 in a row :-) 01:43 rach yep, yep 01:43 rach yep 01:42 Genji rach: can you check on my subscription email addy? I may need it changed. 01:40 indradg rach: probably u can help correct my mistakes 01:40 indradg ok... I'll start work on the HOWTO and post abt it on the devel list 01:39 rach ta 01:38 rach :-) 01:38 indradg right! thats my only consolation :) 01:38 rach mostly people want to just comment out fields, or change their order etc 01:38 rach you hopefully don't need much perl to make big changes to how things look 01:37 rach that would be great 01:37 indradg not that I understand it all too well myself (perl isn't exactly my cup of tea).. but I've been making changes in the templates... and can prolly start out by getting my work notes together 01:37 rach but people are a bit intimidated by it 01:37 rach yeah that's what I think 01:37 Genji templating is fun and easy. 01:36 indradg ok 01:35 rach no there isn't one already 01:35 rach that would be really good 01:35 indradg methinks time for a Templating Koha HOWTO (or is there one already???) 01:34 indradg rach: and what I find is that most dont have a clue as to how simple it actually is to create a new template for Koha... thinking that what-you-got-is-all-that-can-be 01:33 rach that is great 01:33 rach awesome 01:33 indradg rach: I have been talking to librarians here in India who are either using Koha or just testing the waters 01:32 rach I have no prob with importing marc records, is v good, like it a lot, and editing etc - sweet 01:32 indradg lol@rach's comment 01:31 rach need one borrower category if you're going to have patrons 01:30 rach and simple acquisitions - and then ignore the rest of the budget stuff 01:30 rach for the simplest running of Koha you should choose "marc off" and then you can ignore all the rest of the marc stuff :-) 01:29 rach you must have at least one branch 01:29 rach and if you are importing from another system, your itemtypes must match the incoming ones 01:29 rach you must have at least one itemtype 01:29 Genji what are these 4 things? 01:29 indradg i agree 01:29 rach which makes a simple setup more of a chore/hunting expidition than it really needs to be 01:28 rach and not identified in any way 01:28 rach but they are scattered throughout the admin stuff, in no particular order 01:28 rach ah just that there are only about 4 things that you absoloutely have to do to get Koha going - particularly if you're just in for a play 01:27 Genji What do you want help with, rach? admin screen? 01:27 rach no prob 01:27 rach will try and get somone onto it - the admin stuff was driving me nuts the other day :-) 01:27 rach cheers 01:27 indradg hey rach.. was looking at the admin screen mockups u posted... looked nice 01:26 rach and I'm the figure head for the Koha project at the moment 01:26 rach I run Katipo here in NZ 01:25 Genji i remember you, rach, but not what you do. What do you do? 01:25 Genji can be here all day. just want to keep this motivation buzz i seem to have at the moment. 01:24 rach our time - which is 1 hr 30 mins 01:24 rach chris who could probably best answer that question is out at the moment, but I think will be back around 7pm 01:24 rach hi - how long are you here for? 01:13 Genji Greetings all! Haven't been here in ages.. but little time for chitchat, im feeling motivated today. I want to put a lastseen date, formatted in excel style serial number, converted into anything using Date::Manip, into the lastseen field of Mysql. My question is, what is the format that Mysql, and koha, are expecting in the Lastseen field? 23:46 kados chris around? 16:28 kados yea that happens sometimes 16:26 owen All I can think to do is kill it. 16:26 owen Sometimes I have a screen window that just stops responding. 16:25 kados nope ... I'm screening from home now 16:23 owen Alma? 16:21 kados arg ... looks like I need to reboot my screen server 16:15 kados file structure 16:15 kados I mostly use the symlinks as a central way to backup Koha 16:14 kados something we haven't really done lately 16:14 kados it's only used when working with CVS 16:14 kados or move it 16:14 kados well I guess we could just delete the CVS directory 16:10 owen So it's probably not worth fixing. 16:10 kados only if it's symlinked to a CVS repo 16:09 kados no 16:08 owen Would an average Koha install have the CVS directories? 16:00 owen I think the script that looks for different language versions is simply scanning that directory for /en or /fr or whatever. It sees /CVS and thinks its another language. 16:00 kados maybe we should have "gutenberg e-text" as an item type eh? 16:00 kados ahh 16:00 owen :) I was just trying out adding an item type a while back. 15:59 kados why is CVS listed as a language? 15:59 owen Yes. There are only English-language version of the NPL template 15:59 kados also, what's up with the "American Barking Association" under Recent Acquisitions? 15:57 kados owen I noticed that the "change language" feature isn't working on the opac -- is that because we don't have any other languages to choose from? 14:50 owen That's a great idea 14:46 indradg also at KIG India we are planning to collaborate and create MARC records for Indian Books and other materials published in india... export individual biblio data... weed out the duplicates and merge it -> ready for bulkmarcimport.pl and the reservoir 14:45 indradg sure can do... I'm using a 1200 biblio dump for demostration purpose... can share it 14:44 owen If you try it, another good thing to do is provide some sample data for them to put into their database. That helps a lot when you're trying to understand how Koha works. 14:41 indradg we can do that too! 14:41 indradg thats an idea!!! sending them home with just the CDs of s/w dont work out 14:40 indradg ppl (librarians) ask is mysql free? and AACR2 doesnt mean anything to the techs... guess problems are same in most place... maybe differing only in degrees 14:40 owen It was a great way to send folks home with a Koha test machine to play around with. 14:40 owen The following day they held a "Koha Install-fest" and installed Koha on all those machines. 14:39 owen My co-workers did something interesting recently at a library conference: A "Linux Install-fest" where they told participants to bring in a computer to get Linux installed on it for them. 14:38 indradg we are planning to have a training session for the participants 14:38 owen We face the same barriers here as well. 14:37 owen Yeah, that's a tough one. 14:37 indradg and Linux geeks are either to impatient or dont want to spend time to learn the nuances of Lib/Info Sci :P 14:36 indradg but the main problem here is india is that Lib & Info Sci ppl aren't quite comfortable with FLOSS tech yet 14:36 indradg seems like there are quite a few 14:36 owen That's great! 14:35 indradg at KIG-India we are planning a first-ever physical meeting of Koha users in India 14:35 owen It has been pretty quiet here. 14:35 indradg had got two more Koha installation / migration coming my way :) 14:34 indradg been busy in betwn.. logged in here after couple of weeks 14:33 indradg hi owen 14:33 owen Hi indradg and JYL57. 14:19 JYL57 Ok ! à plus tard Paul 14:18 paul_away pas de bol jyl57, je dois partir sans délai. 13:37 paul so diacritics are a little strange... 13:37 paul i get a pdf file in iso8859-1, with an original file in utf8... 13:36 owen Hi paul 13:36 paul hello owen