Time  Nick      Message
13:36 paul      hello owen
13:36 owen      Hi paul
13:37 paul      i get a pdf file in iso8859-1, with an original file in utf8...
13:37 paul      so diacritics are a little strange...
14:18 paul_away pas de bol jyl57, je dois partir sans délai.
14:19 JYL57     Ok ! à plus tard Paul
14:33 owen      Hi indradg and JYL57.
14:33 indradg   hi owen
14:34 indradg   been busy in betwn.. logged in here after couple of weeks
14:35 indradg   had got two more Koha installation / migration coming my way :)
14:35 owen      It has been pretty quiet here.
14:35 indradg   at KIG-India we are planning a first-ever physical meeting of Koha users in India
14:36 owen      That's great!
14:36 indradg   seems like there are quite a few
14:36 indradg   but the main problem here is india is that Lib & Info Sci ppl aren't quite comfortable with FLOSS tech yet
14:37 indradg   and Linux geeks are either to impatient or dont want to spend time to learn the nuances of Lib/Info Sci :P
14:37 owen      Yeah, that's a tough one.
14:38 owen      We face the same barriers here as well.
14:38 indradg   we are planning to have a training session for the participants
14:39 owen      My co-workers did something interesting recently at a library conference:  A "Linux Install-fest" where they told participants to bring in a computer to get Linux installed on it for them.
14:40 owen      The following day they held a "Koha Install-fest" and installed Koha on all those machines.
14:40 owen      It was a great way to send folks home with a Koha test machine to play around with.
14:40 indradg   ppl (librarians) ask is mysql free? and AACR2 doesnt mean anything to the techs... guess problems are same in most place... maybe differing only in degrees
14:41 indradg   thats an idea!!! sending them home with just the CDs of s/w dont work out
14:41 indradg   we can do that too!
14:44 owen      If you try it, another good thing to do is provide some sample data for them to put into their database.  That helps a lot when you're trying to understand how Koha works.
14:45 indradg   sure can do... I'm using a 1200 biblio dump for demostration purpose... can share it
14:46 indradg   also at KIG India we are planning to collaborate and create MARC records for Indian Books and other materials published in india... export individual biblio data... weed out the duplicates and merge it -> ready for bulkmarcimport.pl and the reservoir
14:50 owen      That's  a great idea
15:57 kados     owen I noticed that the "change language" feature isn't working on the opac -- is that because we don't have any other languages to choose from?
15:59 kados     also, what's up with the "American Barking Association" under Recent Acquisitions?
15:59 owen      Yes.  There are only English-language version of the NPL template
15:59 kados     why is CVS listed as a language?
16:00 owen      :) I was just trying out adding an item type a while back.
16:00 kados     ahh
16:00 kados     maybe we should have "gutenberg e-text" as an item type eh?
16:00 owen      I think the script that looks for different language versions is simply scanning that directory for /en or /fr or whatever.  It sees /CVS and thinks its another language.
16:08 owen      Would an average Koha install have the CVS directories?
16:09 kados     no
16:10 kados     only if it's symlinked to a CVS repo
16:10 owen      So it's probably not worth fixing.
16:14 kados     well I guess we could just delete the CVS directory
16:14 kados     or move it
16:14 kados     it's only used when working with CVS
16:14 kados     something we haven't really done lately
16:15 kados     I mostly use the symlinks as a central way to backup Koha
16:15 kados     file structure
16:21 kados     arg ... looks like I need to reboot my screen server
16:23 owen      Alma?
16:25 kados     nope ... I'm screening from home now
16:26 owen      Sometimes I have a screen window that just stops responding.
16:26 owen      All I can think to do is kill it.
16:28 kados     yea that happens sometimes
23:46 kados     chris around?
01:13 Genji     Greetings all! Haven't been here in ages.. but little time for chitchat, im feeling motivated today. I want to put a lastseen date, formatted in excel style serial number, converted into anything using Date::Manip, into the lastseen field of Mysql. My question is, what is the format that Mysql, and koha, are expecting in the Lastseen field?
01:24 rach      hi - how long are you here for?
01:24 rach      chris who could probably best answer that question is out at the moment, but I think will be back around 7pm
01:24 rach      our time - which is 1 hr 30 mins
01:25 Genji     can be here all day. just want to keep this motivation buzz i seem to have at the moment.
01:25 Genji     i remember you, rach, but not what you do. What do you do?
01:26 rach      I run Katipo here in NZ
01:26 rach      and I'm the figure head for the Koha project at the moment
01:27 indradg   hey rach.. was looking at the admin screen mockups u posted... looked nice
01:27 rach      cheers
01:27 rach      will try and get somone onto it - the admin stuff was driving me nuts the other day :-)
01:27 rach      no prob
01:27 Genji     What do you want help with, rach? admin screen?
01:28 rach      ah just that there are only about 4 things that you absoloutely have to do to get Koha going - particularly if you're just in for a play
01:28 rach      but they are scattered throughout the admin stuff, in no particular order
01:28 rach      and not identified in any way
01:29 rach      which makes a simple setup more of a chore/hunting expidition than it really needs to be
01:29 indradg   i agree
01:29 Genji     what are these 4 things?
01:29 rach      you must have at least one itemtype
01:29 rach      and if you are importing from another system, your itemtypes must match the incoming ones
01:29 rach      you must have at least one branch
01:30 rach      for the simplest running of Koha you should choose "marc off" and then you can ignore all the rest of the marc stuff :-)
01:30 rach      and simple acquisitions - and then ignore the rest of the budget stuff
01:31 rach      need one borrower category if you're going to have patrons
01:32 indradg   lol@rach's comment
01:32 rach      I have no prob with importing marc records, is v good, like it a lot, and editing etc - sweet
01:33 indradg   rach: I have been talking to librarians here in India who are either using Koha or just testing the waters
01:33 rach      awesome
01:33 rach      that is great
01:34 indradg   rach: and what I find is that most dont have a clue as to how simple it actually is to create a new template for Koha... thinking that what-you-got-is-all-that-can-be
01:35 indradg   methinks time for a Templating Koha HOWTO (or is there one already???)
01:35 rach      that would be really good
01:35 rach      no there isn't one already
01:36 indradg   ok
01:37 Genji     templating is fun and easy.
01:37 rach      yeah that's what I think
01:37 rach      but people are a bit intimidated by it
01:37 indradg   not that I understand it all too well myself (perl isn't exactly my cup of tea).. but I've been making changes in the templates... and can prolly start out by getting my work notes together
01:37 rach      that would be great
01:38 rach      you hopefully don't need much perl to make big changes to how things look
01:38 rach      mostly people want to just comment out fields, or change their order etc
01:38 indradg   right! thats my only consolation :)
01:38 rach      :-)
01:39 rach      ta
01:40 indradg   ok... I'll start work on the HOWTO and post abt it on the devel list
01:40 indradg   rach: probably u can help correct my mistakes
01:42 Genji     rach: can you check on my subscription email addy? I may need it changed.
01:43 rach      yep
01:43 rach      yep, yep
01:43 rach      that is 3 in a row :-)
01:44 rach      OK genji what's your mail addy?
01:45 rach      genjimoto@ezysurf.co.nz
01:45 rach      is the one I have
01:46 Genji     genji18@yahoo.co.nz is the one that it needs to change to.
01:46 indradg   rach genji bye for now! got a meeting coming up at the office... time to earn my living :)
01:46 rach      culater
01:47 rach      genji you want the old one unsubbed?
01:47 Genji     yup.
01:48 rach      done
01:48 Genji     why i am doing this, is because i can't use the smtp server on ezysurf anymore.
01:48 rach      sure
01:50 Genji     wheres this mock up of this admin page, rach?
01:52 rach      http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/koha-admin
01:53 rach      there have been some good suggestions as to how to break some of them up differently
01:53 rach      but the general idea was to group them in some sort of saner way
01:56 Genji     wheres the html files these pics are based on?
02:04 Genji     eh, before im going to do the admin screen, i have to install 2.2.RC1.
03:13 rach      ah yes probably
03:14 rach      I think those templates are the "vanilla" ones
03:14 rach      or possibley the "katipo" ones
03:14 rach      chris tells me it's the "katipo" ones for the intranet
03:35 Genji     eh... then this admin page is fully functional?
03:37 rach      nope
03:37 rach      all the actual admin options are currently in the template
03:37 rach      they are just not arranged in this way
03:38 rach      they are higgledy piggledy
03:38 Genji     So, where do the gallery mock ups come from?
03:43 rach      I made the mockups in photoshop
03:43 rach      so I took the existing template - took a screen shot
03:43 rach      and then rearranged the text
05:42 paul      hello rach
05:43 rach      hi paul
05:43 rach      how are you today?
05:44 paul      fine, thanks
05:44 paul      working on 3 RFPs
05:44 paul      i've more than 10 RFP for instance...
05:44 paul      (for 2 i've answered & it's OK, for 3 others, i've answered and it should be OK soon...)
05:44 paul      (lot of job on Koha :-) )
05:45 paul      one of them (CMI)
05:45 paul      funds an interface for a new nice feature...
05:45 rach      great
05:45 paul      Koha will work with a 3M self-borrowing bot
05:45 rach      cool
05:45 rach      that is excellent
05:46 paul      only 1 weakness : their machine is old and SIP compliant, not SIP2
05:46 paul      rach, could you take care of making noise on Koha 2.2RC1 ?
05:47 rach      Yes - is it out?
05:47 paul      yes, of course.
05:47 rach      ah then I am just dim
05:47 paul      didn't you see the announces on koha & koha-dev ?
05:48 rach      ahh at 3am
05:48 paul      http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=283087
05:48 paul      yes
05:48 paul      (3PM for me :-D )
05:48 rach      :-)
05:48 rach      I'll put out something tommorrow
05:51 rach      Paul someone who upgraded from 1.2.3 (against our advice I might add), has got into a world of hurt
05:51 paul      he upgraded to 2.2RC1 ?
05:51 rach      do you think it's better to go forward to 2.2 and try and not try and get 2.0 going
05:51 rach      No they went to 2.0
05:52 rach      and I specifically told her not to
05:52 paul      ok. They MUST get a 2.0 working then upgrade to 2.2
05:52 paul      the 1.2 => 2.2 upgrade does NOT work (it's in capitals in release notes)
05:52 rach      so she has mapping problems with their marc etc - so that should get sorted out before an upgrade?
05:55 rach      rather than try and work out whats gone wrong with their DIY attempts
05:55 paul      I think it's exactly the same
05:55 rach      ah ok
05:56 paul      the biggest pain with 1.2 => 2.0 upgrade is MARC mapping & rebuilding
05:56 rach      yep and that's what's gone wrong I believe
05:56 rach      chris managed it for UNIDO tho - although maybe that was marc already, I forget
05:59 rach      ah well - time for me to go for a shower and bed I think
05:59 paul      ok, have sweet dreams.
07:01 Genji     hiya paul
07:01 Genji     you still awake?
07:01 paul      yes, it's 11AM for me :-D Not a time to go to bed !
07:01 Genji     of course, England huh?
07:01 paul      france
07:03 Genji     cool. Okay, I have dates all in excel's serial number based format.. i can convert them to anything easy enough using a Date::Manip statement.. but my question is, what format does koha want me to put the lastseen date in, in newitems()?
07:03 paul      mmm... dates are always a pain...
07:04 paul      if i'm right : YYYY-MM-DD should work fine
07:04 Genji     aye. looked in the mysql.. the field type is DATE
07:05 Genji     Hmm.. i could do a test..... update lastseen value 2004-11-09 where biblionumber=1
07:05 Genji     right?
07:05 paul      yep (with quotes)
07:05 Genji     with quotes?
07:12 Genji     eh crap. koha.update doesn't work on win32 machines.. because POSIX::termios is not implemented for win32.
07:37 Genji     hmm.. koha.upgrade doesn't work on win32 soo .. im doing a straight copy, and run the updatedatabase script.
07:37 paul      should work
07:47 Genji     -blinks- 2.1.3 saw heaps of things changed in the database... 2.2.0rc1 .... very little changed, according to updatedatabase
07:48 paul      nothing iirc. that's why I think 2.2RC1 is stable enough
07:48 Genji     i went back to my backup of 2.0.0pre2 data.. and updatedatabased it.
07:48 Genji     so how come alot of database changes were done in 2.1.3?
07:48 paul      ??
07:50 Genji     and is it completely certain that all the code from 2.1.x that relates to those other fields were removed? i mean.. i had a whole screen of changes on the 2.1.x update.. 2.0.0pre2 to 2.2.0... only 8 lines of changes.
07:51 paul      mmm... really strange, you're right
07:51 paul      do you have subscriptions tables ?
07:51 paul      (subscription and subscriptionhistory)
07:52 Genji     ya. i do.
07:52 Genji     wierd.
07:53 paul      so, your DB was not a 2.0.0 one !
07:53 Genji     hmmm.. then what was it?
07:53 Genji     1.9.2/
07:53 Genji     ?
07:53 paul      subscription table appeared in 2.1.0 or 2.1.1 NOT before
07:53 paul      1000% sure !
07:54 Genji     well.. i just did the update script... it may of added it without showing up.
07:54 paul      it should have,
07:54 Genji     got a bug report in my mail from koha list.
07:55 Genji     of course the net is being crap so it may take a minute to get it.
07:56 Genji     that or its a big report..
07:57 Genji     what i can do, is erase my koha db.. put my suspected 2.0.0 one in there, and check for those tables.
07:57 paul      that's a possibility
07:57 Genji     eh? leaving?
07:57 paul      yep
07:58 Genji     drat. should be more people up at this time to support those coding.
07:58 Genji     mail is in... one moment.
07:59 Genji     Global symbol "$context" requires explicit package name at /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/z3950daemon/processz3950queue line 110.
07:59 Genji     simple bug... wonder why it escaped.
08:01 Genji     there should be a version field somewhere in koha, in a "About this installation" table.. with the database version number.
08:01 Genji     bye paul.
08:01 paul_away good idea, not easy to do
08:02 Genji     deleted my koha database, restored previous version backup....
08:03 Genji     subscription table doesn't exist...
08:04 Genji     ahh.. second time lucky, all the updates are running.
08:05 Genji     and done.
08:06 Genji     eh.. in IE.. the templating needs alot of work.
08:08 Genji     And the new main page using javascript, doesnt work in opera.
08:49 paul      back Genji
08:51 paul      Koha librarian interface DON'T work on IE.
08:52 paul      and won't probably never work (at least, I won't do anything to make it work : there is no good reason for librarian to use IE)
08:52 paul      (of course, if someone modify Koha to have a librarian interface working under Mozilla AND IE, i'll accept it ;-) )
08:53 paul      (note also that OPAC must work on any browser. IE compliance is important here. But it should work I think)