Time  Nick      Message
18:42 slef      http://www.kyfieithu.co.uk/manual.html
18:04 slef      kados: just replying to your old email. Sorry for the lag.
17:47 rach      is that the right number
17:47 rach      have got 20 pages
17:47 rach      ok
17:47 Jo        i will email down my questions to si - they cover the handwriting
17:46 Jo        my scribble
17:46 Jo        nope
17:40 rach      because we can't really read that
17:40 rach      Jo is the handwriting important?
17:29 rach      no prob
17:27 Jo        thanks
17:27 Jo        cool
17:22 rach      he is here
17:22 rach      04-934 1286
17:22 rach      yes do it now
17:20 Jo        rach: can i fax something to katipo for si to get sometime before Thursday?
17:16 rach      ok ta
17:16 Jo        Si: can I send a fax to you (telstra proposal for branches) for a quick squizz before I meet him?
17:15 mikem     rach ... nsr would probably have his addy
17:15 Jo        Good morning
17:14 slef      no idea whose
17:14 slef      whois eylerfamily.org has an address
17:11 kados     ahh
17:11 rach      true - although I don't think that site had his addy on it
17:10 kados     http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://pate.eylerfamily.org/
17:10 kados     rach: you could always use the wayback machine:
17:10 rach      yeah I noticed that
17:08 kados     dunno ... his website appears down: http://pate.eylerfamily.org/
17:03 rach      ciao emiliano
17:03 kados     cao
17:03 emiliano  regards to all
17:03 emiliano  well, I'm also leaving
17:02 paul      no, the librarian doc
17:02 kados     or librarian docs?
17:02 slef      Also, moving to arch would let 2.4RMs ask developers for code docs before accepting work... not sure if that would work or not
17:02 kados     which docs do you mean? the sysadmin manual?
17:01 emiliano  I could obtain but for spanish only
17:01 paul      mmm... kados, remember the doc is not written by developpers (librarian doc i mean)
17:01 emiliano  I think we need volunteers
17:00 kados     I think all we need is vi and some time :-)
17:00 kados     pretty expensive ...
17:00 kados     I'm skeptical of the neodoc thing ...
16:58 emiliano  bye Martin
16:58 emiliano  I'll try to put in a entire document
16:58 slef      jmlongo: bye
16:58 jmlongo   bye!
16:58 emiliano  sure
16:58 jmlongo   thanks for all
16:58 owen      Too bad you didn't calculate an hour early like I did.  It worked out better.
16:58 slef      kados: date --utc
16:57 slef      Can that be made more obvious, please? I mistook it for part of the text.
16:57 emiliano  ?
16:57 emiliano  slef, do you see
16:57 jmlongo   ok guys.. I'll have to leave now...
16:57 emiliano  less for 2.4
16:57 emiliano  and barcodes is included in 2.1.2
16:56 emiliano  that says Next
16:56 emiliano  down
16:56 emiliano  there is a little botton
16:56 slef      I am looking at http://biblio.fisica.unlp.edu.ar/sitio/librarian/kohapf/
16:56 slef      I only see Barcodes generator.
16:56 emiliano  and more for doing (?)
16:56 emiliano  5 items
16:56 paul      ok, bye bye.
16:56 emiliano  nooo
16:56 jmlongo   well...   have nice dreams Paul!
16:56 slef      Does the koha 2.4 proposed features only have one item in it at the moment?
16:55 emiliano  regards and thanx a lot
16:55 jmlongo   haha... I'll have to waut then...  :)
16:55 emiliano  for me it's ok Paul
16:55 slef      jmlongo: I need to educate them in the ways of debian before apt-get will work ;-)
16:55 paul      ok, do you let me go to bed ?
16:54 jmlongo   If we can work it out... maybe we can host po translations for othere  :*)
16:54 jmlongo   I tried to apt-get it...  but no luck...  :P
16:53 emiliano  ok
16:53 jmlongo   we'll see
16:53 jmlongo   ok... I'm downbloading it now...
16:52 jmlongo   yessss...
16:52 emiliano  Kartouche
16:52 paul      http://www.kyfieithu.co.uk/downloads/kartouche-v0.2.tar.gz
16:52 emiliano  Martin, perhaps must start translating
16:52 emiliano  jajajaja
16:51 paul      no.
16:51 paul      yep jmlongo
16:51 slef      ah, have you let Kevin know?
16:51 jmlongo   does kartouche have an english interface?
16:51 paul      freshmeat points to 0.0.2
16:51 slef      my fingers don't speak welsh
16:51 paul      no, it's 0.0.1 it seems.
16:50 slef      kyfieithu damnit
16:50 slef      yes, www.kyfieithy.co.uk -> Downloads
16:50 slef      paul: not on www.kyfieithu.co.uk?
16:49 emiliano  ok
16:49 jmlongo   we'll work on it
16:49 paul      www.freshmeat.net was my friend here
16:49 paul      the biggest difficulty is to find where to download it
16:49 paul      kartouche is quite easy to set up
16:49 paul      slef=> nothing to say about this. I've no libraries using spanish koha, so i'm OK
16:49 emiliano  Well, I will speak with Martin
16:48 paul      (i'll have a new 24/7 webserver in a few months)
16:48 slef      (librarian interface and existing users can continue anyway)
16:48 jmlongo   eeks
16:47 slef      paul: they didn't answer a request for help with spanish, so I'm dropping it from the suggested list in 2.0.2
16:47 emiliano  mmmm
16:47 paul      and may be switched off
16:47 paul      just note that bureau.paulpoulain.com is my local computer.
16:47 jmlongo   well... we could give it a try..
16:47 emiliano  I have opac.po translated
16:47 paul      we cuold begin by opac.po
16:47 paul      emiliano => just send your almost-translated .po file, & i'll take care of it.
16:47 emiliano  what do you think Martin?
16:46 kados     sweet
16:46 chris     www.koha.org/irc
16:46 paul      emiliano => i'm ok to add your .po file to bureau.paulpoulain.com
16:46 paul      slef => probably on translation mailing list.
16:45 emiliano  inside your Kartouche
16:45 slef      How am I supposed to ask translators for updated templates?
16:45 emiliano  a new project
16:45 slef      I guess it's up to emiliano to discuss.
16:45 emiliano  or opening
16:45 emiliano  I think we could test Kartouche, installing here
16:45 paul      (midnight in 15 minuts here... want to go to bed ;-) )
16:44 paul      a conclusion on .po subject ?
16:43 emiliano  yes
16:42 jmlongo   I guees emiliano like things 'on the fly'  ;)
16:42 paul      mmm... yes & no.
16:42 slef      Might it make the "select language" feature easier to support?
16:42 paul      what is wonderful ?
16:42 emiliano  wondefull!!!
16:41 jmlongo   (I see)
16:41 paul      (but in fact they will be generated on the fly)
16:41 paul      yep
16:41 jmlongo   so we wouldn't have to 'generate' templates?
16:41 paul      (a lot of things are good ideas in fact... the problem being to do them ;-) )
16:40 paul      but it's a good idea
16:40 paul      not for instance.
16:40 slef      Are there plans to use the .po files directly from koha?
16:39 slef      context is everything, but I think the kyfieithu developers know that
16:39 paul      right
16:39 emiliano  for example
16:39 emiliano  in translation for a distributed group
16:38 emiliano  but it seems to be nice for seeing the advances
16:38 emiliano  I'm worried about reusing translations
16:37 slef      me neither... I translate files with a text editor atm
16:37 paul      but i don't know how to use omnivore.
16:37 slef      another web system
16:37 jmlongo   ???
16:37 emiliano  omnivore?
16:36 paul      right too
16:36 slef      and has omnivore as a translation memory
16:36 paul      right
16:36 slef      kartouche is originally welsh
16:36 kados     hehe
16:36 paul      no, you arrive after the battle ;-)
16:36 jmlongo   does kartouche offers something similar?
16:36 kados     sorry I'm late
16:36 paul      hi kados.
16:36 paul      a little bit hacked by me
16:36 kados     hi all
16:36 emiliano  is there a way to "remember" terms or phrases?
16:36 jmlongo   we were planning to use kbabel... because of it's database facilities
16:36 paul      (for hungarian or something like that)
16:35 paul      (used by a kde translation team)
16:35 paul      yep.
16:35 emiliano  is OSS?
16:35 emiliano  it seems to be very nice
16:35 paul      * tmpl_process3.pl generate
16:35 paul      * export .po file again
16:35 paul      * translate
16:35 paul      * import into kartouche
16:35 paul      * tmpl_process3.pl create/update
16:34 paul      so, the process is :
16:34 paul      kartouche "eats" the .po file & can regenerate it after translations.
16:34 jmlongo   that would be grat..
16:34 paul      and to generate the translated templates
16:34 paul      misc/translator/tmpl_process3.pl to generate/update the .po
16:33 slef      How do we use .po files at the minute?
16:33 paul      slef => i don't know. i haven't dig
16:33 paul      (if you need some help, of course)
16:33 slef      what about utf-8?
16:33 paul      and generate the official .po file from there
16:33 paul      so I could set up a .po file for spanish translation too
16:32 mikem     chris: just for when you get back, I have updated bugs.koha.org to make myself the initial contact for the website related bugs/issues
16:32 paul      it works fine for any iso5589-1 language i think
16:32 paul      (without the space)
16:32 paul      (look at bureau.paulpoulain.com/ kartouche)
16:32 emiliano  paul seems to be solar
16:32 paul      it uses kartouche.
16:32 paul      I've set up a webserver for french translation.
16:32 jmlongo   or are your battteries too low?  :)
16:31 paul      (it's almost midnight here. i was forgotting...)
16:31 paul      right.
16:31 jmlongo   Paul: you wanted to talk about po files?
16:31 shedges   bye all, i'm gone, too
16:31 shedges   bye paul
16:31 shedges   bye jean yves
16:30 JYL       slef, take a look at where I live and you will understand that I love my neighbours !
16:30 MattH     it's a stereotype, not xenophobia
16:30 paul      bye JYL
16:30 JYL       Ok, still need to test a few things, bye and have a good night
16:29 slef      JYL: xenophobe
16:29 JYL       yeah, we probably need more german co-workers to stress timing issues... lol
16:28 russ      bye all
16:28 paul      jyl : the problem is that it's rarely short ;-)
16:27 JYL       2 short meetings a month is fine for me
16:27 rach      yes I agree slef
16:27 emiliano  bad time to question :-)
16:27 slef      Plan meeting on list, else we make it hard for people not here now.
16:26 shedges   2 weeks?
16:26 paul      ok
16:26 paul      JYL => 1000% right !
16:26 russ      paul i will send you and email about the qa stuff
16:26 slef      emiliano: they just broadened  the exception a bit, didn't they?
16:26 JYL       Rach, should be a good idea to plan the next meeting maybe ?!
16:26 rach      thanks for coming everyone, a bit of a marathon meeting
16:25 mikem     thanks Rach
16:25 JYL       Bye ! and Paul tell me about your installer tests...
16:25 rach      back on the 18th of October
16:25 shedges   thanks!
16:25 JYL       Stephen don't hesitate to ask for help
16:25 paul      have a good night
16:25 paul      bye jean yves
16:24 emiliano  and Koha relation with it?
16:24 JYL       Ok, thanks for this interesting discussion folks !
16:24 emiliano  changes
16:24 emiliano  comments about mysql license
16:24 mikem     russ ... no worries ... rach: when are you back from the US?
16:24 emiliano  didn't you receive
16:24 emiliano  a little out of topic
16:24 rach      or yes rest for you :-)
16:23 rach      or to thrash out anything else, if people are keen to hang about
16:23 JYL       or a little rest for us maybe ?!
16:23 russ      mike give me a call on the Katipo number when you are ready to come in about the website
16:23 rach      it is now time for drinks and nibbles :-)
16:23 matias    see you...
16:23 matias    bye Paul...bye all...
16:22 rach      OK i think that is the end of the formal part of the meeting?
16:22 paul      bye matias
16:22 rach      thanks matias
16:22 matias    people...I´m leaving...gotta go...
16:22 rach      that would be great thanks slef
16:21 slef      I'll hang on for a few in case here are questions here, then summarise in the first email.
16:21 slef      http://wiki.gnuarch.org/moin.cgi/SubVersionAndCvsComparison
16:21 rach      I *know* you are all capable of learning a new thing, as long as you see that it is worthwhile
16:21 paul      slef, you initiate the thread ?
16:20 rach      because to me, this is hearts and minds stuff for developers
16:20 rach      and what some potential problems with a change might be
16:20 russ      i would say a email to the dev list would be the go
16:20 rach      what problems ARCH solves
16:20 paul      now ?
16:20 rach      what is bad or difficult in CVS
16:20 rach      is for a quick run down on what is good about CVS
16:19 rach      OK - what I would like so that we can make a sensible choice
16:19 paul      look here : http://better-scm.berlios.de/comparison/comparison.html for various nice GUI for arch
16:19 rach      (not yet :-)
16:19 MattH     please forgive my intrusion
16:18 MattH     but then i'm not what you'd call and active koha developer
16:18 JYL       is only linked with future 2.4 release ?!
16:18 MattH     as someone with years of cvs experience, i'd be backing staying with cvs
16:18 slef      owen: yes, windows support is somewhat lacking for arch, that's true. You'll need a CVS gateway or cygwin IIRC.
16:18 paul      owen => there are some GUI on arch
16:18 JYL       Am I right saying that this source management choice
16:18 shedges   yep
16:18 rach      is that a sensible approach?
16:17 owen      I'm worried about the transition to arch because I'm used to a Windows GUI.  But I'm definitely in the minority there.  I'll go with whatever is agreed upon.
16:17 rach      so that it doesn't interfere with the release of 2.1/2.2
16:17 shedges   i'll keep trying (with slef's help)
16:17 russ      i am sure he has an opinion
16:17 rach      to give our opinion
16:17 russ      it is a shame chris had to leave
16:17 emiliano  but don't think it will restrict access to others
16:16 paul      katipo & Nelsonville => your opinion ?
16:16 paul      ok, so if everybody is ready to switch to arch, i agree
16:16 emiliano  and very time-consuming
16:16 emiliano  cvs very difficult
16:16 paul      slef => right ;-)
16:16 emiliano  I think no, i find
16:15 paul      (emiliano or matias)
16:15 paul      (= choice to get involved in Koha)
16:15 paul      would it have changed something to your choice ?
16:15 slef      paul: so, yes. User numbers aren't that relevant, as long as it's about as easy, otherwise we'd all be using Microsoft and Penlib or something, wouldn't we?
16:15 paul      but, for example, Emiliano => if koha had been with arch
16:14 paul      from a tech point of view, you're completly right.
16:14 slef      paul: at present, new developers have a hard time using revision control until they are given commit access to the main tree. arch solves that and also makes merging branches easier.
16:13 paul      slef => you really think it will be easier to ge new developers ? because ppl uses often CVS, but who uses arch ?
16:13 slef      email me questions about it and I'll try to answer swiftly
16:13 shedges   yep
16:13 slef      shedges: have you seen http://www.mjr.dsl.pipex.com/uzu-arkon.html ?
16:12 paul      (i even have found a complete tutorial in french ;-) )
16:12 slef      I think it's essential for maintenance, but would help make it easier to get new developers.
16:12 shedges   i still haven't figured arch out :-(
16:12 paul      but if everybody want to switch, i'll switch too.
16:12 rach      or for development too?
16:12 paul      i know the weaknesses of CVS, & deals with them
16:12 rach      but slef for maintenance you think that aarch is good?
16:12 slef      owen: as far as I can remember, no-one raised the issue of the CVS mailing list until 2 hours ago. I can probably configure that.
16:11 shedges   yeah, i think the reasons to switch have to be pretty strong.
16:11 paul      this means having a learning curve
16:11 slef      rach: I think it's a more general communication problem. When I ask 2.2 developers for patches, most ignore them.
16:11 paul      my question about arch is : is every developper ready to switch to this new platform ?
16:10 owen      Well, there's the issue of the CVS mailing list.  And there's the Web view available through Sourceforge--even though it's not updated often enough, it can be useful at times
16:10 slef      owen: I hope putting troublesome bugs in the topic is enough attention that people will look at it when the meeting finishes ;-)
16:09 rach      but happy to be corrected
16:09 slef      rach: yes, but it would be best if we can offer arch hosting if there are developers who need it.
16:09 paul      owen => why are end users concened by cvs/arch ?
16:09 rach      is there generally a problem with different releases using different systems (I'm assuming there is)
16:09 emiliano  nice!!
16:09 emiliano  ok
16:09 paul      yes
16:09 emiliano  are there in updatedatabase?
16:09 owen      The issue of CVS vs. Arch doesn't hing solely on the ease of use for developers.  There are also the /end users/ to think about
16:09 rach      So Slef would you advocate eveyone moving ot it?
16:08 paul      they introduce 3 tables.
16:08 slef      It's just a shame that no other public archives for 2.0 were posted, but I guess 2.2 has all the appeal for developers now.
16:08 emiliano  ok
16:08 paul      yes.
16:08 emiliano  Serials didn't introduce new tables?
16:08 mikem     bugs.koha.org works fine for me ;-)
16:08 slef      paul: What do you want to know? Managing 2.0 became very easy after the move, as I can make prerelease tarballs with a single command (no extra download space) and the buildrelease.pl goes away
16:08 paul      yes emiliano
16:08 paul      (denis battery has ended...)
16:08 emiliano  paul, another little question
16:07 rach      oh yes - I can do a summary of the bugs if anyone still can't get to bugs.koha.org
16:07 owen      slef, did you want to bring up specific bugs?
16:07 paul      slef ? something to say about CVS vs ARCH ?
16:07 mikem     l8r chris
16:07 paul      bye chris
16:06 chris     ive gotta go, ill be back in a little while
16:06 rach      otherwise we can lapse into general discussion
16:06 paul      yep.
16:06 rach      So is there anything else on the agenda for today? CVS v's ARCH was mentioned
16:06 paul      & we could say "if you have a 1.2 version, update to 2.0, THEN to 2.4"
16:06 paul      I think it could be modified to update from 2.0 to 2.4
16:05 emiliano  ok
16:05 paul      but it has to be cleaned, because it's from 1.0.0 DB...
16:05 paul      emiliano => all updates of DB must be done through updater/updatedatabase script.
16:04 Denis     oki slef
16:04 slef      Denis: 2.0 is getting sysadmin documentation as I find it, but will probably not get librarian or end-user docs.
16:04 Denis     thank you Paul
16:04 paul      (saying this in case your battery is ended)
16:04 paul      denis => you can see irc logs on koha.org/irc
16:04 chris     there is an updatedabase script, so usually just editing that, and then writing some documentation about what the new tables are for
16:03 Denis     documetion wil be only for 2.2 and 2.4 not for 2.0?
16:03 slef      Can bugs.koha.org defaults be updated, please? Lots of stuff still gets assigned to Steve.
16:03 emiliano  ok could be posted in misc scripts from cvs
16:03 chris     and a way to upgrade from the old db
16:03 chris     documentation about why/how they are used emiliano
16:02 paul      we need more testing of the installer/updater.
16:02 rach      way to go slef
16:02 chris     cool slef
16:02 paul      i think it needs too many attention to be able to release it publicly.
16:02 emiliano  in the database I mean
16:02 emiliano  what are the criterias for introducing new tables in a release
16:02 paul      yep.
16:02 jmlongo   :)
16:02 slef      There will be 2.0.2 this week, too. Biblio fix, removal of spanish suggestion and whatever other bugs are squashed in the next 24 hours.
16:01 jmlongo   bu the disclaimer says that we should NEVER NEVER NEVER use it production!
16:01 JYL       good remark Stephen
16:01 shedges   but probably the online docs can be pretty well done
16:01 paul      yep emiliano ?
16:01 paul      :-(
16:01 emiliano  A question..
16:01 shedges   we won't have complete docs for 2.2 in one month.
16:01 rach      woo exciting
16:01 paul      as I think there are no more blocking bugs.
16:01 paul      (1 week or so)
16:01 paul      Ecole des Mines de Nantes will begin with 2.1.2 in real life soon
16:00 paul      today is 2.1.2
16:00 Denis     ;-)
16:00 Denis     tomorrow Paul?
16:00 rach      great
16:00 paul      1 month
16:00 slef      Is there a release target date for 2.2?
15:59 rach      and then ACTION :-)
15:59 rach      yes
15:59 chris     and from those discussions will come roadmaps
15:59 rach      yes - that;s what I meant
15:59 chris     well 3 discussions
15:59 rach      I think
15:59 rach      and one for the website/online stuff
15:59 rach      one for the documentation
15:59 rach      one for the 2.4 release
15:58 rach      So out of this meeting we are going to get 3 "roadmaps" basically
15:58 mikem     no worries Rach
15:58 JYL       yeah, probably on website too...
15:58 rach      if that works for you
15:58 rach      Mike you gather the ideas, and then let me know what you need for the Koha site, and come in and we can talk with the techs here about how to achieve it
15:58 paul      on website too
15:58 paul      not just on wiki.
15:57 JYL       yes we need to add an archive section on the wiki for older releases.
15:57 rach      ok that is a good idea
15:57 Denis     In the web site the documentation should be ordrered by version
15:57 paul      for both koha.org & koha-fr.org.
15:57 slef      Information should be clearly versioned or dated.
15:57 slef      OK. Why not use the koha webring idea?
15:57 rach      yes denis that is a problem
15:57 chris     yes you are right denis, there is old information that shold dissapear
15:56 paul      slef : see mikem line
15:56 rach      www.koha.org/wiki
15:56 Denis     A problem is the mix of informations concerning different versions of KOHA
15:56 chris     he can start reassigning bugs, pestering people
15:56 slef      paul: what common wiki page?
15:55 paul      good solution.
15:55 chris     well now we have russ as QA
15:55 paul      so, we could add a link from www.koha.org, www.koha-fr.org, slef site & kados & other to this common wiki page.
15:55 rach      SO I think the last thing is bugs?
15:55 rach      Excellent
15:55 mikem     Slef ... yes I have ... and I will hit that shortly
15:54 chris     yep, and yep
15:54 russ      rach - i can do that
15:54 slef      mikem: have you a bugs.koha.org account and will chris reassign web bugs to you?
15:54 rach      you can come in here and get a training session on koha website
15:54 rach      Cool - and as you're just up the road
15:53 rach      and it all makes a bit more sense
15:53 rach      and working out how to make the koha.org site the "hub" so that people find things
15:53 slef      sorry, mispasted a mo ago
15:53 mikem     rach: that is the plan ... will start with a page on the Wiki, so that people can add links that they know off
15:53 slef      paul: it's linked from AnglKohao.
15:53 paul      ??? slef ???
15:52 rach      how do you feel about turning into super sleuth, and finding all the useful Koha stuff
15:52 paul      and wiki too.
15:52 slef      paul: it's linked from Kohao so, webhosting ?
15:52 paul      and slef site too.
15:52 mikem     yep still here
15:52 rach      right Mike - you still here?
15:52 rach      True
15:52 chris     yep
15:52 jmlongo   that's true
15:52 paul      (it's just an example)
15:52 paul      afaik, www.koha.org/irc is announced nowhere !
15:52 indradg   hi all... sorry for being late... :)
15:52 russ      that is confusing
15:51 rach      Yes
15:51 paul      and it's not easy for a newbie to find all informations.
15:51 paul      i think there are a lot of web sites related to koha
15:51 rach      yes- rather than changing the hostings
15:51 paul      yep.
15:51 rach      umm I think it was about finding all the koha websites
15:51 paul      it was related to the various web hostings we have i suspect
15:51 jmlongo   webhosting of what?
15:50 slef      so, webhosting ?
15:50 chris     what was koha hosting about rach?
15:48 shedges   (let's the list lurkers know we're working on it)
15:48 paul      so, webhosting ?
15:48 shedges   OK
15:48 slef      JYL: wait for traffic to be high enough. shedges: I suspect koha.
15:48 JYL       Or do we continue on the Wiki only ?!
15:47 JYL       Could we have a sourceforge mailing list dedicated to documentation ?
15:47 paul      lol
15:47 shedges   on koha?  or koha-devel?
15:47 jmlongo   it depends on what world u live  :)
15:47 slef      Will shedges chair the list discussion?
15:47 rach      I'm hoping that Mike will sort out the whole sitemap/how to find stuff, bit
15:46 paul      what ? slef ? you are really sure Koha is not the center of this world ? i'm very disappointed :-D
15:46 Denis     U can use RoboDemo to make some films
15:46 rach      Right - I think that Koha hosting is next?
15:46 chris     sounds good
15:46 slef      shedges++
15:46 rach      rather than right now :-)
15:46 chris     give us time slef :-)
15:46 rach      we can have a more focused indepth one on documentation on list
15:46 paul      & i'll bug french mailing list too...
15:45 slef      end user of the library uses the OPAC. koha is not yet the center of this world ;-)
15:45 rach      He will send the list an e-mail about that and like the 2.4 release conversation
15:45 owen      patron is the end user of the opac, librarians are the end users of the intranet
15:45 slef      OPAC is end user, please don't confuse that.
15:45 rach      Stephen has agreed to be the "project manager" for documentation, to organise the various documentation efforts, encourage developers to write the tech stuff, and some other people to translate that for librarians, and into other languages
15:44 JYL       I'm still using that silly IT langage...
15:44 shedges   the admin help and the opac help are the most important
15:44 paul      no, i think jyl speaks of librarian (vs developper)
15:44 JYL       yes, sorry emiliano
15:44 Denis     OPAC?
15:44 jmlongo   End USER!!... yeah!!  :)
15:44 shedges   yes indeed!
15:44 emiliano  librarian?
15:44 emiliano  end user
15:44 JYL       Stephen, what do you think, we focus on 'end user manual'  ?!
15:43 chris     heh
15:43 paul      but no more than 2 weeks ;-)
15:43 shedges   ok, chris, you're excused for a while!
15:43 jmlongo   I'll look up too...
15:43 chris     :)
15:43 paul      chris goes for honeymoon, paul goes for baby...
15:43 Denis     could we summarize about documentation?
15:43 chris     stephen: yep ill do a look, but it probably wont be until after the honeymoon, so others could look as well
15:43 paul      wow, the koha team will be very long & worldwide ;-)
15:43 rach      Next...
15:42 rach      great
15:42 jmlongo   :)
15:42 shedges   yep
15:42 rach      yep I think so, stephen up for that?
15:42 chris     and how
15:42 chris     and then decide what to focus on
15:42 JYL       yes, just requires for our help
15:42 shedges   chris will look for good tools?
15:42 chris     so the next step is a call for doc writers .. to try and build a team?
15:42 rach      OK it is now officially stephens problem :-)
15:42 owen      Stephen doesn't need any encouragement to be a tyrant! ;)
15:41 rach      Yep
15:41 chris     ud think not :-)
15:41 shedges   (can that be done??)
15:41 chris     back to documentation... i think stephen has been bullied into be a tyrant
15:41 paul      (it's now on opac-main.pl, with CSS template. appears only when you're logged)
15:40 chris     it will need to be added to whatever templates you want it on
15:40 paul      i've included it in official OPAC
15:40 JYL       BRAVO !
15:40 chris     sample too
15:40 chris     i commited it jyl, and a smaple template
15:40 Denis     Paul : this is a G. W. Bush action
15:40 JYL       Paul, do we get the needed "change langage" button in the 2.2 release ?!
15:40 paul      no, but that may be a good idea slef.
15:39 slef      Do we have a 2.2 test server with "Help" links going to the wiki?
15:39 rach      SO we need a voulunteer to do that?
15:39 paul      (koha.org still inaccessible from france)
15:39 JYL       right !
15:39 Denis     I agree
15:39 paul      yep.
15:39 shedges   finish the online help for 2.2
15:38 slef      shedges: need to figure out what is most important, first
15:38 rach      and we don't have tools that are well liked to do it
15:38 Denis     Online help is very important for me
15:38 paul      mmm... maybe JYL did the suggestion we need to leave this forever lasting question of the chicken & the egg
15:38 rach      We currently do very patchy documentation and help
15:37 rach      OK here is a quick summary of where I think we are at with this
15:37 JYL       Could we agree on simple approach, 0) release new functions 1) online help 2) end user manual and so on ,!
15:37 shedges   how do we build the content?
15:37 rach      but could we start with getting the actual information on the wiki?
15:37 shedges   format comes after content
15:37 rach      yes
15:37 jmlongo   that's true...
15:37 paul      for librarians we need a nice PDF printable document
15:37 rach      Yes
15:36 paul      but wiki is OK only for developpers.
15:36 paul      ok
15:36 shedges   wiki stuff
15:36 paul      paul's doc ? which one ?
15:36 emiliano  ok we'll publish
15:36 shedges   i learn a lot from paul's docs
15:36 shedges   doing docs in other languages is OK, as long as we share.
15:36 Denis     emiliano in dutch ;-)
15:35 paul      yes rach, but HOW to explain what & how to write ?
15:35 chris     work too
15:35 chris     step 2, then find out out what tools would ork
15:35 emiliano  I think we'll do documentation for librarians but in spanish ;-)
15:35 paul      ok, but i was speaking of them because of stephen writing.
15:35 rach      yep - but we need some people to actually do the writing
15:35 shedges   yep
15:35 chris     try to gather together some doc writers
15:35 shedges   OK, but the bullying people to make the effort would be my task.
15:35 chris     so step 1
15:34 rach      yep
15:34 owen      Yes
15:34 slef      emiliano++
15:34 emiliano  sorry but I think we're discussing about tools when the real problem is effort-people isn't it?
15:34 slef      We can probably forget about my customers using web-based systems, as they have slow lines.
15:34 chris     i wonder, could we send someone off on a mission to find that out
15:34 shedges   what else is out there?
15:33 rach      yes it is
15:33 chris     wow is right
15:33 slef      Is it web-based?
15:33 jmlongo   wow!
15:33 paul      (after the 700 set up fee)
15:33 paul      they propose 300E for each document structure to set.
15:32 paul      they also provide proof reading.
15:32 paul      and helping organising the work
15:32 paul      and it's only help for setting up Borges
15:32 paul      NO, it's only free software based
15:31 shedges   would everyone who wrotes docs have to have a neodoc license?
15:31 paul      something like 700Euros for setting up the site.
15:31 jmlongo   yep..
15:31 shedges   yep, that's basic
15:31 chris     good point
15:30 slef      To be honest, I think the first stage is for the RM to start refusing undocumented commits. My attempts to understand and describe koha have been hindered by undocumented code.
15:30 Denis     Paul?
15:30 rach      Paul/Denis what does NeoDoc cost?
15:30 JYL       be the tyrant of our common documentation !
15:30 rach      if we can't bully stephen into doing it :-)
15:30 shedges   hmmm.  if you guys decide on the right doc tools, i do a pretty good tyrant act!
15:29 JYL       be the tyrant of our common documentation !
15:29 rach      So I think we need to attract some people interested in this to the project
15:29 JYL       Stephen I'm your servitor !
15:29 Denis     i am back
15:29 rach      yes
15:29 paul      & who should release often/release soon documentation to be able to translate into various languages.
15:29 Denis     excuse me my cat is asking me to open the door
15:29 rach      so we should have a "documentor" who works with the release manager
15:28 chris     no new release without accompanying documentation
15:28 chris     who should work close with a release manager and we should make it our policy for the future
15:28 paul      shedges => do you want to be doc dictator ?
15:27 Denis     but it is very...helpful to build an help
15:27 rach      well good tools can help - if people *like* using it then they might do more
15:27 paul      but that's technology denis loves ;-)
15:27 chris     i think we need people, i like stephens answer we need a documentation tyrant
15:27 Denis     no
15:27 paul      slef => no
15:27 paul      rach => i don't know.
15:27 slef      Denis: is it free software?
15:27 JYL       Stephen you're a master of documentation until now
15:27 paul      I got only 2 answers.
15:27 Denis     do you know the Macromedia e-Help software?
15:26 rach      that's why I asked really - is it a problem that technology can solve? or is it a "people problem" that we need some people to actuallly do it
15:26 paul      a few months ago, I asked for help on french ML
15:26 slef      Put neodoc in the maybe/later stack for now.
15:26 paul      everybody agrees I think.
15:26 chris     yep
15:26 shedges   Someone needs to be the "documentation" tyrant and dictate what is done -- and where
15:26 jmlongo   exactly... :)
15:26 JYL       Soory guys, but in my opinion we need manuals to reassure our librarians
15:26 slef      So we need to find librarians who will write, or learn enough library to write it ourselves, and give those doing the writing whatever they want.
15:26 rach      yes
15:26 paul      the question of the chicken & the egg... (frenchism ?)
15:25 rach      yep it looks like a good tool, but we don't have much to publish yet :-)
15:25 chris     yeah that sysadmin manual is comig along nicely
15:25 slef      jferraro has a draft of a sysadmin manual, which I will help with
15:25 paul      so can produce PDF & HTML versions as well as anything else
15:25 Denis     ok
15:24 paul      for neodoc, it's XML technology
15:24 Denis     Would the manual on-line or a printed-one?
15:24 slef      Yes, the problem is writing.
15:24 emiliano  but need volunteers for writing
15:24 rach      or is that not right?
15:24 slef      I am worried by www.neodoc.org as it seems bigger on process and technology than writing.
15:24 paul      I think that's what we really lack today.
15:24 paul      on a web based interface.
15:23 emiliano  ok
15:23 paul      they provide tools to write common documentation.
15:23 rach      OK
15:23 paul      NO.
15:23 rach      do they write the documentation?
15:23 JYL       Let's concentrate on one good english manual first (Proposal!)
15:23 paul      one question after another...
15:23 shedges   are we like to find any funds?
15:23 JYL       JYL is looking for an english manual first !
15:23 paul      does anyone have something to say or are you waiting for more infos from me ?
15:23 slef      Do we know jferraro's opinion of this?
15:22 rach       Documentation. For this, i've some news. I've met neodoc company (http://www.neodoc.org/index.php?show=&lang=en) and have a financial proposal for hosting & helping doc organizing. We just have to find funds & define strategy (ie : do we want to have 1 common doc in english with various translation ? how to manage the diffs between MARC21 & UNIMARC ? ...)
15:22 jmlongo   no prob from me
15:21 paul      (about .po translation tool)
15:21 slef      Can we add .po files to the end of the meeting?
15:21 jmlongo   Hi  :)
15:21 Denis     lol
15:21 paul      ;-)
15:20 rach      before you all fall asleep
15:20 rach      OK quickly then ... Documentation
15:20 paul      ok. hi martin.
15:20 emiliano  he's working enhacing .po files
15:20 rach      oh hi Martin
15:20 Denis     Denis more tired than Paul ;-)
15:20 slef      Are we onto documentation or website now?
15:20 emiliano  Martin is our official translator
15:20 matias    hi Martin
15:20 emiliano  Hi Martin
15:19 rach      something I am *very* happy to hear
15:19 paul      good news, good news...
15:19 jmlongo   Hi everybody... sorry I'm late!
15:19 rach      so that we get a bit more coherance going
15:19 chris     yay mike
15:19 rach      and Mike has volunteered to be in charge of sorting out the website stuff
15:19 emiliano  ok
15:19 owen      Great news.  Thanks Russ!
15:19 slef      emiliano: will you take charge of summarising the discussion?
15:18 paul      (denis, stay here, pls, we will speak of doc project soon. You should be interested)
15:18 russ      yep sure
15:18 rach      Russ has kindly volunteered to do some QA for the new release
15:18 chris     yep paul
15:18 chris     yep, a discusion on the lists might be the easiest to start with
15:18 paul      so a koha-dev discussion is better, with a "wiki" summary
15:18 rach      so a couple more volunteer positions
15:17 rach      yep
15:17 paul      an IRC meeting is quite complex because of worldwide koha spread
15:17 rach      yes that is a good idea - there are a few more things to sort out before we all get sucked into the fun of planning the next version :-)
15:17 emiliano  I'll be happy
15:17 slef      chris++
15:17 chris     perhaps we should organise a 2.4 meetin at some point? or at least a 2.4 discussion on the devel list?
15:16 rach      that's what we have done with 1.2 basically
15:16 rach      Slef I would think realistically until you've converted your customers to the new version is a good "rule of thumb"
15:16 slef      OK, as there's a couple of things I'd like to hack into 2.4
15:15 rach      shouldn't be a life sentance :-)
15:15 rach      not indefinitly
15:15 slef      (sorry, realised that didn't make sense)
15:15 Denis     big "bravo" to Paul for 2.2
15:15 slef      Until 2.2.1's release date or beyond?
15:15 rach      2.2.1 I would hope
15:15 slef      Until 2.2.1 or beyond?
15:15 Denis     all right
15:14 rach      And we expect 2.0 to need to keep going for a while yet
15:14 rach      erg - sorry slef
15:14 chris     -t
15:14 rach      2.4 = Emiliano
15:14 rach      2.2 = Paul
15:14 rach      2.0 = Sleft
15:13 paul      rach, i let you summarize
15:13 owen      I'm pleased to introduce Stephen Hedges, director of the Nelsonville Public Library in Ohio
15:13 slef      So, who is each RM?
15:13 paul      hi stephen
15:13 paul      user of Koha 2.0.0 in it's library (research)
15:13 shedges   hi all
15:13 rach      hi stephen
15:13 paul      i'm please to introduce Denis Lieppe, from Sorbonne university.
15:13 Denis     hi rach
15:13 rach      bonjour denis
15:13 Denis     hi Paul
15:13 paul      another frenchy...
15:12 Denis     hello all
15:12 emiliano  ok
15:12 rach      I can send a letter as a PDF for you
15:12 emiliano  no paul one only in the same Ministry
15:12 rach      and let me know to whom I should address the mail and any other details it needs to have
15:11 emiliano  ok
15:11 rach      ok - emiliano, can you please e-mail me at rachel@katipo.co.nz
15:11 paul      in france, we have 2 ministries concerned by ILS : the culture & the education. Is it the same in Argentina ?
15:10 emiliano  because of this I need the mail
15:10 emiliano  our actual efforts
15:10 emiliano  of Education could help to enforce
15:10 emiliano  I hope that the National Ministry
15:09 emiliano  2 projects related with Koha
15:09 emiliano  In Argentina is there
15:09 emiliano  I wish to clear one thing
15:09 rach      yes I can do that :-)
15:09 chris     :)
15:09 paul      so, ask rachel ;-)
15:09 emiliano  I think so
15:09 emiliano  yes
15:09 paul      yes, you asked for a mail for your boss.
15:08 paul      if yes => rach, as kaitiaki, you should take care of it.
15:08 emiliano  official mail?
15:08 paul      emiliano : do you still think an official mail cuold be a good thing ?
15:08 chris     as 2.2 hasnt been released yet, so like paul says 2.4 isnt urgent .. then when you have done the things u need urgently can work more on the release manager role
15:07 rach      Excellent
15:07 emiliano  ok in this case I agree
15:07 chris     the way id do it, is concentrate on doing the urgent things you need first
15:07 paul      but i'm sure you will be a good release manager.
15:07 emiliano  jajaja
15:07 rach      sounds good to me
15:07 paul      and even if you feel too bad release manager, i can take the role.
15:06 emiliano  ok
15:06 chris     emiliano: yep that is the question, but thats something we can all discuss i think ur roadmap is a good start
15:06 owen      How about this: emiliano and his team are named release managers, and ask Paul for help when they have questions?
15:06 paul      yes, you're right. But that's a question we have 2 months or something like that to define.
15:05 paul      so, a good news : before being release manager for Koha, i never had beenr release manager ;-)
15:05 emiliano  what must include
15:05 emiliano  what is 2.4?
15:05 emiliano  but the real question is
15:05 matias    :-)
15:05 emiliano  could be
15:05 emiliano  jajaja
15:05 paul      and that may be frightening no ?
15:04 paul      so, the main problem is that you will be release manager for the 1st time.
15:04 emiliano  but could start
15:04 emiliano  we need it urgently
15:04 emiliano  ok I agree
15:04 paul      for me, the 2.4 official release does not have to be released urgently
15:03 paul      emiliano, I think that the good question is the timing one.
15:03 rach      yes I agree too :-)
15:03 chris     slef even :)
15:03 chris     yep, i agree that 2.0 should continue for a while self
15:02 emiliano  I mean that we can distribute the tasks
15:02 slef      I would volunteer, but I think that 2.0 should continue into 2.2's early life and I now think that other developers are cross with me about the arch move (but didn't say before).
15:02 paul      what do you mean exactly by "help" ?
15:02 matias    yeap
15:02 paul      right ;-)
15:02 emiliano  we can help you
15:02 paul      i'm ok to be release manager OR rleease maintainer
15:02 rach      he can't be 2.2 maintainer *and* 2.4 release manager
15:01 paul      I can't do everything
15:01 paul      mmm...
15:01 emiliano  Paul?
15:01 chris     if anyone else wants to volunteer :-)
15:00 chris     the release manager doesnt have to be a developer
15:00 emiliano  very urgent
15:00 emiliano  to accomplish
15:00 emiliano  and we have some requeriments
15:00 matias    exactly... ;-)
14:59 emiliano  is a very responsable position
14:59 emiliano  I think Matias wants to say that being release manager
14:59 matias    and to contribute with new ideas...
14:58 matias    we are open to work on bug fixing...
14:58 matias    we are open to contribute...
14:58 matias    as I was saying...
14:56 paul      so why do you think it would be a better idea to propose someone else ?
14:56 matias    no...I am happy... :)
14:55 paul      am i missing something ?
14:55 paul      matias seems not so happy with this idea
14:55 paul      I was suggesting you as 2.4 release manager.
14:55 slef      rach: fairly difficult until the arch move, then fairly easy, but certain 2.2 developers don't answer bugs emails.
14:55 matias    hello...
14:55 paul      we were speaking of 2.4 release manager.
14:54 paul      welcome emiliano.
14:54 emiliano  Hi everybody
14:54 matias    I think it would be a better idea to propose another release manager..
14:54 slef      paul: I would continue 2.0.x until 2.2.1
14:54 paul      * dealing with multi-marc & multi-countries questions.
14:53 matias    yeah...that´s why I´m telling you this...
14:53 paul      * building & testing releases
14:53 paul      * accepting/rejecting new ideas
14:53 paul      I think he is aware that being release manager means commiting code, but also a lot of other things :
14:53 paul      emiliano & I had a long IRC discussion a few days ago.
14:52 matias    of course, all those things that people like... :-)
14:52 matias    we are open to contribute with all that we´ve made...
14:51 matias    I think...
14:51 paul      s/suggestion/suggesting
14:50 paul      I already have said to rachel I was suggestion to be 2.2 release maintainer & let emiliano & argentina team (matias) be 2.4 release manager.
14:50 rach      Sleft how hard has it been to be 2.0 release maintainer?
14:49 paul      slef, any opinion on 1st questiion ?
14:49 paul      * who will be 2.2 release maintainer ?
14:49 paul      * when do we swap to 2.2 release manager to 2.2 release maintainer ?
14:49 paul      * what do we do with the 2.0 branch ?
14:48 paul      the question now is :
14:48 paul      i'll have to migrate my customers too, so i'll have to do some tests too
14:48 JYL       Can only test it on my Sarge Debian install...
14:48 paul      (iirc)
14:48 paul      (it's written in 2.1.2 release notes in fact ;-) )
14:47 paul      i'll let you know how to do this from a 2.0.0 install
14:47 paul      ok, thanks JYL
14:47 JYL       I'm volunteer to test the updater script Paul !
14:47 paul      ??? rach ???
14:47 paul      (thanks. It's my 3rd little guy...)
14:47 rach      so best to get things done before hand?
14:46 matias    congratulations :-)
14:46 paul      (so i'll be a little less here in the next 3-4 weeks)
14:46 rach      yup :-)
14:46 rach      excellent :-)
14:45 paul      ok.
14:45 rach      Slef and Paul can you work that out between yourselves, when you've both got a bit more time ?
14:44 paul      the updater tool is untested, but the updatedatabase script has been updated on every DB change
14:44 rach      yes that sounds fair
14:44 slef      Enough to see that you need a 2.2 testbed library to design this, or a really safe upgrade script.
14:44 rach      Slef you think one of your customers might be able to help, if Paul does a good guide so that the data can be migrated from 2.0 to 2.2?
14:43 paul      are those minor explanations enough ?
14:42 paul      i'll modify the DB structure schema ASAP
14:42 paul      there are no technical description of the diffs
14:42 paul      for MARC authorities, it's a copy of MARC biblio with frameworks
14:41 paul      otherwise, it's the same DB for MARC
14:41 paul      in MARC biblio, the difference is in the "framework" column
14:41 slef      Is there a guide to differences?
14:41 paul      not exactly
14:41 slef      Are the tables the same as 2.0?
14:40 paul      so what i'm hoping is a library that could help building nice MARC21 files.
14:40 paul      & complete "sample DB"
14:39 paul      * unimarc parameters for various authorities types (like NC for Common Names, NP for Propers Names)...
14:39 paul      * UNIMARC default authority structure
14:39 paul      * systmeprefs in french & for france
14:39 paul      * UNIMARC parameters for multimedia framework
14:38 paul      * UNIMARC default biblio structure
14:38 paul      something like (for france)
14:38 rach      Do we have any MARC21 libraries here now?
14:38 paul      in the 2.2 installer, the user can select various files for installing, to have a well working DB
14:38 paul      this last * needs help from MARC21 libraries.
14:38 paul      * MARC21 SQL files.
14:37 paul      * some changes in plugins to find editor from ISBN & collection selector
14:37 paul      (i'll, sorry)
14:37 slef      What will?
14:36 paul      * LDAP connections fixes. It'll take care of this
14:36 paul      I need 3 things to rlease 2.2 :
14:36 chris     slef: its in debian, at least in testing and unstable it is
14:36 paul      So I think it's better to release soon, & produce bugfixes more often.
14:35 owen      slef: a version of the koha-cvs list?  Not that I know of.
14:35 paul      in France, many libraries were waiting for 2.0.0 even when 2.0.0RC4 was released.
14:35 paul      it's really useable, & I think I was too slow to release official 2.0.0
14:34 paul      the next one should be a 2.2RC1, in stable tree.
14:34 paul      the 2.1.2 will probably be the last one in unstable tree
14:34 paul      however, the 2.2 status :
14:34 slef      owen: is there a version without the diffs?
14:34 paul      can't answer for others distros
14:34 paul      PDF::API2 is not on mandrake distrib.
14:33 paul      maybe, it's a very common perlpackage
14:33 paul      i don't know.
14:32 slef      like packaged for debian, fedora, mandrake and so on?
14:32 owen      https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/koha-cvs
14:32 paul      distributions ?
14:32 slef      paul: is that in distributions?
14:32 paul      wow ! you didn't know this list exists. Too bad we never spoke of it before.
14:31 slef      owen: I didn't know it existed.
14:31 paul      PDF::API2
14:31 paul      it's in 2.1.2 release notes ;-)
14:31 paul      yes owen, but slef uses arch, not the sourceforge cvs.
14:31 slef      paul: what does the barcode printer require?
14:31 rosa      sounds cool to me, slef
14:31 paul      i hadn't the time to ask slef. I admit.
14:31 owen      Are you signed up for the Koha-CVS list slef?
14:30 slef      So don't you go all :-( here now over stuff you never said before.
14:30 matias    :-)
14:30 paul      with continuous barcode, or selected inventory.
14:30 slef      I can render 2.0 bugfixes in whatever format you want, but no-one has asked for anything until now.
14:30 paul      it generates nice PDF page with barcodes on it.
14:30 owen      I think many of us don't know what's going on with 2.0
14:29 paul      so i can't merge your 2.0 bugfixes on 2.2 branch :-(
14:29 slef      barcodes on the fly helper
14:29 paul      slef : my problem with what you do with the 2.0 branch is that i've no mail like with sourceforge cvs.
14:29 slef      Is that botf or another one?
14:28 paul      in 2.1.2
14:28 slef      Should I be marking 2.0 bugs FIXED, or reversioning 2.2 so you can check they're fixed for that too?
14:28 paul      the barcode generator is included.
14:28 chris     right
14:28 paul      none of them are blocking, but most are really annoying.
14:28 paul      (coming from 3days tests with Ecole des Mines de Nantes)
14:28 paul      it's still in unstable branch. I've something like 15 bugs to squash.
14:27 paul      i've released a 2.1.2 today.
14:27 paul      the 2.2 status :
14:27 paul      ok slef
14:27 slef      paul: I'm here, but intermittently able to look at the screen.
14:27 paul      I think I must write some things here & now
14:27 rach      all righty - 2.2 release date and maintainer....
14:26 rach      ah ok sure paul
14:26 paul      slef are you still here ? if yes, it may be better to speak 1st of release managers/maintainers ?
14:26 rach      who doesn't need to do HTML if they don't want
14:25 rach      which is website editor
14:25 paul      yep
14:25 rach      which brings us quickly to the other volunteer position I think we need
14:24 paul      Rachel Hamilton, Koha kaitiaki. Sounds nice...
14:24 chris     the same paul
14:24 rach      cool - thanks :-)
14:24 paul      how do you say kaitiaki for a girl in maori ?
14:24 paul      kudos rach
14:23 JYL       congratulations rach !
14:23 russ      owen, i'll sort one out for her today
14:23 rach      and a wand :-)
14:23 owen      If only we had a tiara for rach...
14:23 JYL       NO !
14:23 rach      does anyone object to it being me?
14:22 rach      sorry - anyone else other than me :-)
14:22 paul      yes : you ;-)
14:21 rach      So is there anyone else who would like to be the Kaitiaki?
14:21 rach      How long do you have?
14:20 rach      AH yes certainly - sorry slef
14:20 rach      and I think his work policy might have changed, so hasn't been able to keep it up unfortunatly
14:20 slef      Small point of order: if the meeting details change, can it be a new post rather than a reply, please?
14:20 rach      The first is Kaitiaki, which has been done well by Pat Eyler over the last few years, but he's got busy with work
14:19 rach      First shall we do the volunteer "positions" ?
14:18 rach      Yep we have a short agenda
14:18 chris     i think that is everyone?
14:18 rach      cool
14:17 paul      skoba => logbot is here for irc logging : www.koha.org/irc
14:17 tim       Yes I am chris
14:16 rach      you said something very helpful the other day = we always need newbies to point out where we've been captured by our own cleverness :-)
14:16 skoba     sorry, i wont't be here that night cos' of family afair (i say hello to all (poor english) but i log the chan tonight) bonne nuit les enfants......
14:16 chris     ur from west liberty public library right tim?
14:16 tim       would like to help, but don't know enough yet.
14:16 matias    ja ja...by the way...sorry my english..I´ll improve it...I promise... :-)
14:15 JYL       It shouldn't be a problem !
14:15 rach      me to
14:15 matias    I think I´m gonna have to learn some french... ;-)
14:15 owen      kados is Joshua Ferraro, also from the Nelsonville Public Library, but it doesn't look like he's around
14:15 rach      can you do your intro :-)
14:14 tim       I'm here.
14:14 paul      another ppl speaking french ;-)
14:14 rach      tim are you about?
14:14 rach      skoba looks to be away
14:13 rach      despite my best efforts to wake him up
14:13 rach      Si is Simon Blake who is the one who was playing with the server late last night, so he's still asleep
14:13 paul      JYL means Jean Yves Lemaire
14:13 JYL       sounds good for me rach !
14:12 rach      and JYL - which in my head I'm pronouncing Jill by the way
14:12 paul      what I find interesting with this meeting is that there are more and more europeans.
14:12 paul      hello matti.
14:12 rach      nice to meet you Matti
14:11 JYL       YYYEEEAAHHH !! Bravo
14:11 sad-hu_   hello, sad-hu is Matti Lassila, I did the finnish translation
14:11 paul      don't forget to say you're french JYL  :D
14:11 rach      one of our servers got swapped last night
14:11 rach      paul we're having trouble this morning
14:11 slef      Apologies first of all. Because I thought this meeting was at 1800Z, I'm elsewhere too now (1900Z)
14:11 paul          type=MX: Host not found, try again
14:11 paul      <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>: Name service error for name=lists.katipo.co.nz
14:11 paul      mmm... i tried to announce 2.1.2 public release on koha mailing list :
14:11 JYL       JYL is a newbie interested in documentation and translation, testing 2.0 & 2.2
14:10 matias    ;-)
14:10 matias    for that
14:10 matias    thanks Paul or that...
14:09 rosa      rosa is Rosalie Blake, librarian from Horowhenua, NZ
14:09 matias    ja ja...ok...thank you so much...!!!
14:08 rach      Great work Matias
14:08 paul      it's matias
14:08 paul      ladies & gentlemen, let me introduce the guy that commited that so nice label printing module in 2.1.2 !!!
14:07 rach      Chris you're at the top of the list :-)
14:07 chris     sounds good
14:07 rach      we might get a few more straglers - but shall we start with introductions
14:07 rach      but it's good to know where you are from
14:07 rach      :-)
14:07 UNLP-Phys yeah...I was thinking that...
14:05 rach      Matias - it might have been easier to "say" your name :-)
14:04 UNLP-Phys ok...thanks...
14:04 chris     without the space at the front
14:04 chris      /nick newnickname
14:03 matias-UN I didn´t know there was a string limit...
14:03 matias-UN paul..how can I change my nickname...?
14:03 paul      hi matias
14:02 matias-UN hi people...
14:01 paul      hi logbot ;-)