Time Nick Message 18:42 slef http://www.kyfieithu.co.uk/manual.html 18:04 slef kados: just replying to your old email. Sorry for the lag. 17:47 rach is that the right number 17:47 rach have got 20 pages 17:47 rach ok 17:47 Jo i will email down my questions to si - they cover the handwriting 17:46 Jo my scribble 17:46 Jo nope 17:40 rach because we can't really read that 17:40 rach Jo is the handwriting important? 17:29 rach no prob 17:27 Jo thanks 17:27 Jo cool 17:22 rach he is here 17:22 rach 04-934 1286 17:22 rach yes do it now 17:20 Jo rach: can i fax something to katipo for si to get sometime before Thursday? 17:16 rach ok ta 17:16 Jo Si: can I send a fax to you (telstra proposal for branches) for a quick squizz before I meet him? 17:15 mikem rach ... nsr would probably have his addy 17:15 Jo Good morning 17:14 slef no idea whose 17:14 slef whois eylerfamily.org has an address 17:11 kados ahh 17:11 rach true - although I don't think that site had his addy on it 17:10 kados http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://pate.eylerfamily.org/ 17:10 kados rach: you could always use the wayback machine: 17:10 rach yeah I noticed that 17:08 kados dunno ... his website appears down: http://pate.eylerfamily.org/ 17:03 rach ciao emiliano 17:03 kados cao 17:03 emiliano regards to all 17:03 emiliano well, I'm also leaving 17:02 paul no, the librarian doc 17:02 kados or librarian docs? 17:02 slef Also, moving to arch would let 2.4RMs ask developers for code docs before accepting work... not sure if that would work or not 17:02 kados which docs do you mean? the sysadmin manual? 17:01 emiliano I could obtain but for spanish only 17:01 paul mmm... kados, remember the doc is not written by developpers (librarian doc i mean) 17:01 emiliano I think we need volunteers 17:00 kados I think all we need is vi and some time :-) 17:00 kados pretty expensive ... 17:00 kados I'm skeptical of the neodoc thing ... 16:58 emiliano bye Martin 16:58 emiliano I'll try to put in a entire document 16:58 slef jmlongo: bye 16:58 jmlongo bye! 16:58 emiliano sure 16:58 jmlongo thanks for all 16:58 owen Too bad you didn't calculate an hour early like I did. It worked out better. 16:58 slef kados: date --utc 16:57 slef Can that be made more obvious, please? I mistook it for part of the text. 16:57 emiliano ? 16:57 emiliano slef, do you see 16:57 jmlongo ok guys.. I'll have to leave now... 16:57 emiliano less for 2.4 16:57 emiliano and barcodes is included in 2.1.2 16:56 emiliano that says Next 16:56 emiliano down 16:56 emiliano there is a little botton 16:56 slef I am looking at http://biblio.fisica.unlp.edu.ar/sitio/librarian/kohapf/ 16:56 slef I only see Barcodes generator. 16:56 emiliano and more for doing (?) 16:56 emiliano 5 items 16:56 paul ok, bye bye. 16:56 emiliano nooo 16:56 jmlongo well... have nice dreams Paul! 16:56 slef Does the koha 2.4 proposed features only have one item in it at the moment? 16:55 emiliano regards and thanx a lot 16:55 jmlongo haha... I'll have to waut then... :) 16:55 emiliano for me it's ok Paul 16:55 slef jmlongo: I need to educate them in the ways of debian before apt-get will work ;-) 16:55 paul ok, do you let me go to bed ? 16:54 jmlongo If we can work it out... maybe we can host po translations for othere :*) 16:54 jmlongo I tried to apt-get it... but no luck... :P 16:53 emiliano ok 16:53 jmlongo we'll see 16:53 jmlongo ok... I'm downbloading it now... 16:52 jmlongo yessss... 16:52 emiliano Kartouche 16:52 paul http://www.kyfieithu.co.uk/downloads/kartouche-v0.2.tar.gz 16:52 emiliano Martin, perhaps must start translating 16:52 emiliano jajajaja 16:51 paul no. 16:51 paul yep jmlongo 16:51 slef ah, have you let Kevin know? 16:51 jmlongo does kartouche have an english interface? 16:51 paul freshmeat points to 0.0.2 16:51 slef my fingers don't speak welsh 16:51 paul no, it's 0.0.1 it seems. 16:50 slef kyfieithu damnit 16:50 slef yes, www.kyfieithy.co.uk -> Downloads 16:50 slef paul: not on www.kyfieithu.co.uk? 16:49 emiliano ok 16:49 jmlongo we'll work on it 16:49 paul www.freshmeat.net was my friend here 16:49 paul the biggest difficulty is to find where to download it 16:49 paul kartouche is quite easy to set up 16:49 paul slef=> nothing to say about this. I've no libraries using spanish koha, so i'm OK 16:49 emiliano Well, I will speak with Martin 16:48 paul (i'll have a new 24/7 webserver in a few months) 16:48 slef (librarian interface and existing users can continue anyway) 16:48 jmlongo eeks 16:47 slef paul: they didn't answer a request for help with spanish, so I'm dropping it from the suggested list in 2.0.2 16:47 emiliano mmmm 16:47 paul and may be switched off 16:47 paul just note that bureau.paulpoulain.com is my local computer. 16:47 jmlongo well... we could give it a try.. 16:47 emiliano I have opac.po translated 16:47 paul we cuold begin by opac.po 16:47 paul emiliano => just send your almost-translated .po file, & i'll take care of it. 16:47 emiliano what do you think Martin? 16:46 kados sweet 16:46 chris www.koha.org/irc 16:46 paul emiliano => i'm ok to add your .po file to bureau.paulpoulain.com 16:46 paul slef => probably on translation mailing list. 16:45 emiliano inside your Kartouche 16:45 slef How am I supposed to ask translators for updated templates? 16:45 emiliano a new project 16:45 slef I guess it's up to emiliano to discuss. 16:45 emiliano or opening 16:45 emiliano I think we could test Kartouche, installing here 16:45 paul (midnight in 15 minuts here... want to go to bed ;-) ) 16:44 paul a conclusion on .po subject ? 16:43 emiliano yes 16:42 jmlongo I guees emiliano like things 'on the fly' ;) 16:42 paul mmm... yes & no. 16:42 slef Might it make the "select language" feature easier to support? 16:42 paul what is wonderful ? 16:42 emiliano wondefull!!! 16:41 jmlongo (I see) 16:41 paul (but in fact they will be generated on the fly) 16:41 paul yep 16:41 jmlongo so we wouldn't have to 'generate' templates? 16:41 paul (a lot of things are good ideas in fact... the problem being to do them ;-) ) 16:40 paul but it's a good idea 16:40 paul not for instance. 16:40 slef Are there plans to use the .po files directly from koha? 16:39 slef context is everything, but I think the kyfieithu developers know that 16:39 paul right 16:39 emiliano for example 16:39 emiliano in translation for a distributed group 16:38 emiliano but it seems to be nice for seeing the advances 16:38 emiliano I'm worried about reusing translations 16:37 slef me neither... I translate files with a text editor atm 16:37 paul but i don't know how to use omnivore. 16:37 slef another web system 16:37 jmlongo ??? 16:37 emiliano omnivore? 16:36 paul right too 16:36 slef and has omnivore as a translation memory 16:36 paul right 16:36 slef kartouche is originally welsh 16:36 kados hehe 16:36 paul no, you arrive after the battle ;-) 16:36 jmlongo does kartouche offers something similar? 16:36 kados sorry I'm late 16:36 paul hi kados. 16:36 paul a little bit hacked by me 16:36 kados hi all 16:36 emiliano is there a way to "remember" terms or phrases? 16:36 jmlongo we were planning to use kbabel... because of it's database facilities 16:36 paul (for hungarian or something like that) 16:35 paul (used by a kde translation team) 16:35 paul yep. 16:35 emiliano is OSS? 16:35 emiliano it seems to be very nice 16:35 paul * tmpl_process3.pl generate 16:35 paul * export .po file again 16:35 paul * translate 16:35 paul * import into kartouche 16:35 paul * tmpl_process3.pl create/update 16:34 paul so, the process is : 16:34 paul kartouche "eats" the .po file & can regenerate it after translations. 16:34 jmlongo that would be grat.. 16:34 paul and to generate the translated templates 16:34 paul misc/translator/tmpl_process3.pl to generate/update the .po 16:33 slef How do we use .po files at the minute? 16:33 paul slef => i don't know. i haven't dig 16:33 paul (if you need some help, of course) 16:33 slef what about utf-8? 16:33 paul and generate the official .po file from there 16:33 paul so I could set up a .po file for spanish translation too 16:32 mikem chris: just for when you get back, I have updated bugs.koha.org to make myself the initial contact for the website related bugs/issues 16:32 paul it works fine for any iso5589-1 language i think 16:32 paul (without the space) 16:32 paul (look at bureau.paulpoulain.com/ kartouche) 16:32 emiliano paul seems to be solar 16:32 paul it uses kartouche. 16:32 paul I've set up a webserver for french translation. 16:32 jmlongo or are your battteries too low? :) 16:31 paul (it's almost midnight here. i was forgotting...) 16:31 paul right. 16:31 jmlongo Paul: you wanted to talk about po files? 16:31 shedges bye all, i'm gone, too 16:31 shedges bye paul 16:31 shedges bye jean yves 16:30 JYL slef, take a look at where I live and you will understand that I love my neighbours ! 16:30 MattH it's a stereotype, not xenophobia 16:30 paul bye JYL 16:30 JYL Ok, still need to test a few things, bye and have a good night 16:29 slef JYL: xenophobe 16:29 JYL yeah, we probably need more german co-workers to stress timing issues... lol 16:28 russ bye all 16:28 paul jyl : the problem is that it's rarely short ;-) 16:27 JYL 2 short meetings a month is fine for me 16:27 rach yes I agree slef 16:27 emiliano bad time to question :-) 16:27 slef Plan meeting on list, else we make it hard for people not here now. 16:26 shedges 2 weeks? 16:26 paul ok 16:26 paul JYL => 1000% right ! 16:26 russ paul i will send you and email about the qa stuff 16:26 slef emiliano: they just broadened the exception a bit, didn't they? 16:26 JYL Rach, should be a good idea to plan the next meeting maybe ?! 16:26 rach thanks for coming everyone, a bit of a marathon meeting 16:25 mikem thanks Rach 16:25 JYL Bye ! and Paul tell me about your installer tests... 16:25 rach back on the 18th of October 16:25 shedges thanks! 16:25 JYL Stephen don't hesitate to ask for help 16:25 paul have a good night 16:25 paul bye jean yves 16:24 emiliano and Koha relation with it? 16:24 JYL Ok, thanks for this interesting discussion folks ! 16:24 emiliano changes 16:24 emiliano comments about mysql license 16:24 mikem russ ... no worries ... rach: when are you back from the US? 16:24 emiliano didn't you receive 16:24 emiliano a little out of topic 16:24 rach or yes rest for you :-) 16:23 rach or to thrash out anything else, if people are keen to hang about 16:23 JYL or a little rest for us maybe ?! 16:23 russ mike give me a call on the Katipo number when you are ready to come in about the website 16:23 rach it is now time for drinks and nibbles :-) 16:23 matias see you... 16:23 matias bye Paul...bye all... 16:22 rach OK i think that is the end of the formal part of the meeting? 16:22 paul bye matias 16:22 rach thanks matias 16:22 matias people...I´m leaving...gotta go... 16:22 rach that would be great thanks slef 16:21 slef I'll hang on for a few in case here are questions here, then summarise in the first email. 16:21 slef http://wiki.gnuarch.org/moin.cgi/SubVersionAndCvsComparison 16:21 rach I *know* you are all capable of learning a new thing, as long as you see that it is worthwhile 16:21 paul slef, you initiate the thread ? 16:20 rach because to me, this is hearts and minds stuff for developers 16:20 rach and what some potential problems with a change might be 16:20 russ i would say a email to the dev list would be the go 16:20 rach what problems ARCH solves 16:20 paul now ? 16:20 rach what is bad or difficult in CVS 16:20 rach is for a quick run down on what is good about CVS 16:19 rach OK - what I would like so that we can make a sensible choice 16:19 paul look here : http://better-scm.berlios.de/comparison/comparison.html for various nice GUI for arch 16:19 rach (not yet :-) 16:19 MattH please forgive my intrusion 16:18 MattH but then i'm not what you'd call and active koha developer 16:18 JYL is only linked with future 2.4 release ?! 16:18 MattH as someone with years of cvs experience, i'd be backing staying with cvs 16:18 slef owen: yes, windows support is somewhat lacking for arch, that's true. You'll need a CVS gateway or cygwin IIRC. 16:18 paul owen => there are some GUI on arch 16:18 JYL Am I right saying that this source management choice 16:18 shedges yep 16:18 rach is that a sensible approach? 16:17 owen I'm worried about the transition to arch because I'm used to a Windows GUI. But I'm definitely in the minority there. I'll go with whatever is agreed upon. 16:17 rach so that it doesn't interfere with the release of 2.1/2.2 16:17 shedges i'll keep trying (with slef's help) 16:17 russ i am sure he has an opinion 16:17 rach to give our opinion 16:17 russ it is a shame chris had to leave 16:17 emiliano but don't think it will restrict access to others 16:16 paul katipo & Nelsonville => your opinion ? 16:16 paul ok, so if everybody is ready to switch to arch, i agree 16:16 emiliano and very time-consuming 16:16 emiliano cvs very difficult 16:16 paul slef => right ;-) 16:16 emiliano I think no, i find 16:15 paul (emiliano or matias) 16:15 paul (= choice to get involved in Koha) 16:15 paul would it have changed something to your choice ? 16:15 slef paul: so, yes. User numbers aren't that relevant, as long as it's about as easy, otherwise we'd all be using Microsoft and Penlib or something, wouldn't we? 16:15 paul but, for example, Emiliano => if koha had been with arch 16:14 paul from a tech point of view, you're completly right. 16:14 slef paul: at present, new developers have a hard time using revision control until they are given commit access to the main tree. arch solves that and also makes merging branches easier. 16:13 paul slef => you really think it will be easier to ge new developers ? because ppl uses often CVS, but who uses arch ? 16:13 slef email me questions about it and I'll try to answer swiftly 16:13 shedges yep 16:13 slef shedges: have you seen http://www.mjr.dsl.pipex.com/uzu-arkon.html ? 16:12 paul (i even have found a complete tutorial in french ;-) ) 16:12 slef I think it's essential for maintenance, but would help make it easier to get new developers. 16:12 shedges i still haven't figured arch out :-( 16:12 paul but if everybody want to switch, i'll switch too. 16:12 rach or for development too? 16:12 paul i know the weaknesses of CVS, & deals with them 16:12 rach but slef for maintenance you think that aarch is good? 16:12 slef owen: as far as I can remember, no-one raised the issue of the CVS mailing list until 2 hours ago. I can probably configure that. 16:11 shedges yeah, i think the reasons to switch have to be pretty strong. 16:11 paul this means having a learning curve 16:11 slef rach: I think it's a more general communication problem. When I ask 2.2 developers for patches, most ignore them. 16:11 paul my question about arch is : is every developper ready to switch to this new platform ? 16:10 owen Well, there's the issue of the CVS mailing list. And there's the Web view available through Sourceforge--even though it's not updated often enough, it can be useful at times 16:10 slef owen: I hope putting troublesome bugs in the topic is enough attention that people will look at it when the meeting finishes ;-) 16:09 rach but happy to be corrected 16:09 slef rach: yes, but it would be best if we can offer arch hosting if there are developers who need it. 16:09 paul owen => why are end users concened by cvs/arch ? 16:09 rach is there generally a problem with different releases using different systems (I'm assuming there is) 16:09 emiliano nice!! 16:09 emiliano ok 16:09 paul yes 16:09 emiliano are there in updatedatabase? 16:09 owen The issue of CVS vs. Arch doesn't hing solely on the ease of use for developers. There are also the /end users/ to think about 16:09 rach So Slef would you advocate eveyone moving ot it? 16:08 paul they introduce 3 tables. 16:08 slef It's just a shame that no other public archives for 2.0 were posted, but I guess 2.2 has all the appeal for developers now. 16:08 emiliano ok 16:08 paul yes. 16:08 emiliano Serials didn't introduce new tables? 16:08 mikem bugs.koha.org works fine for me ;-) 16:08 slef paul: What do you want to know? Managing 2.0 became very easy after the move, as I can make prerelease tarballs with a single command (no extra download space) and the buildrelease.pl goes away 16:08 paul yes emiliano 16:08 paul (denis battery has ended...) 16:08 emiliano paul, another little question 16:07 rach oh yes - I can do a summary of the bugs if anyone still can't get to bugs.koha.org 16:07 owen slef, did you want to bring up specific bugs? 16:07 paul slef ? something to say about CVS vs ARCH ? 16:07 mikem l8r chris 16:07 paul bye chris 16:06 chris ive gotta go, ill be back in a little while 16:06 rach otherwise we can lapse into general discussion 16:06 paul yep. 16:06 rach So is there anything else on the agenda for today? CVS v's ARCH was mentioned 16:06 paul & we could say "if you have a 1.2 version, update to 2.0, THEN to 2.4" 16:06 paul I think it could be modified to update from 2.0 to 2.4 16:05 emiliano ok 16:05 paul but it has to be cleaned, because it's from 1.0.0 DB... 16:05 paul emiliano => all updates of DB must be done through updater/updatedatabase script. 16:04 Denis oki slef 16:04 slef Denis: 2.0 is getting sysadmin documentation as I find it, but will probably not get librarian or end-user docs. 16:04 Denis thank you Paul 16:04 paul (saying this in case your battery is ended) 16:04 paul denis => you can see irc logs on koha.org/irc 16:04 chris there is an updatedabase script, so usually just editing that, and then writing some documentation about what the new tables are for 16:03 Denis documetion wil be only for 2.2 and 2.4 not for 2.0? 16:03 slef Can bugs.koha.org defaults be updated, please? Lots of stuff still gets assigned to Steve. 16:03 emiliano ok could be posted in misc scripts from cvs 16:03 chris and a way to upgrade from the old db 16:03 chris documentation about why/how they are used emiliano 16:02 paul we need more testing of the installer/updater. 16:02 rach way to go slef 16:02 chris cool slef 16:02 paul i think it needs too many attention to be able to release it publicly. 16:02 emiliano in the database I mean 16:02 emiliano what are the criterias for introducing new tables in a release 16:02 paul yep. 16:02 jmlongo :) 16:02 slef There will be 2.0.2 this week, too. Biblio fix, removal of spanish suggestion and whatever other bugs are squashed in the next 24 hours. 16:01 jmlongo bu the disclaimer says that we should NEVER NEVER NEVER use it production! 16:01 JYL good remark Stephen 16:01 shedges but probably the online docs can be pretty well done 16:01 paul yep emiliano ? 16:01 paul :-( 16:01 emiliano A question.. 16:01 shedges we won't have complete docs for 2.2 in one month. 16:01 rach woo exciting 16:01 paul as I think there are no more blocking bugs. 16:01 paul (1 week or so) 16:01 paul Ecole des Mines de Nantes will begin with 2.1.2 in real life soon 16:00 paul today is 2.1.2 16:00 Denis ;-) 16:00 Denis tomorrow Paul? 16:00 rach great 16:00 paul 1 month 16:00 slef Is there a release target date for 2.2? 15:59 rach and then ACTION :-) 15:59 rach yes 15:59 chris and from those discussions will come roadmaps 15:59 rach yes - that;s what I meant 15:59 chris well 3 discussions 15:59 rach I think 15:59 rach and one for the website/online stuff 15:59 rach one for the documentation 15:59 rach one for the 2.4 release 15:58 rach So out of this meeting we are going to get 3 "roadmaps" basically 15:58 mikem no worries Rach 15:58 JYL yeah, probably on website too... 15:58 rach if that works for you 15:58 rach Mike you gather the ideas, and then let me know what you need for the Koha site, and come in and we can talk with the techs here about how to achieve it 15:58 paul on website too 15:58 paul not just on wiki. 15:57 JYL yes we need to add an archive section on the wiki for older releases. 15:57 rach ok that is a good idea 15:57 Denis In the web site the documentation should be ordrered by version 15:57 paul for both koha.org & koha-fr.org. 15:57 slef Information should be clearly versioned or dated. 15:57 slef OK. Why not use the koha webring idea? 15:57 rach yes denis that is a problem 15:57 chris yes you are right denis, there is old information that shold dissapear 15:56 paul slef : see mikem line 15:56 rach www.koha.org/wiki 15:56 Denis A problem is the mix of informations concerning different versions of KOHA 15:56 chris he can start reassigning bugs, pestering people 15:56 slef paul: what common wiki page? 15:55 paul good solution. 15:55 chris well now we have russ as QA 15:55 paul so, we could add a link from www.koha.org, www.koha-fr.org, slef site & kados & other to this common wiki page. 15:55 rach SO I think the last thing is bugs? 15:55 rach Excellent 15:55 mikem Slef ... yes I have ... and I will hit that shortly 15:54 chris yep, and yep 15:54 russ rach - i can do that 15:54 slef mikem: have you a bugs.koha.org account and will chris reassign web bugs to you? 15:54 rach you can come in here and get a training session on koha website 15:54 rach Cool - and as you're just up the road 15:53 rach and it all makes a bit more sense 15:53 rach and working out how to make the koha.org site the "hub" so that people find things 15:53 slef sorry, mispasted a mo ago 15:53 mikem rach: that is the plan ... will start with a page on the Wiki, so that people can add links that they know off 15:53 slef paul: it's linked from AnglKohao. 15:53 paul ??? slef ??? 15:52 rach how do you feel about turning into super sleuth, and finding all the useful Koha stuff 15:52 paul and wiki too. 15:52 slef paul: it's linked from Kohao so, webhosting ? 15:52 paul and slef site too. 15:52 mikem yep still here 15:52 rach right Mike - you still here? 15:52 rach True 15:52 chris yep 15:52 jmlongo that's true 15:52 paul (it's just an example) 15:52 paul afaik, www.koha.org/irc is announced nowhere ! 15:52 indradg hi all... sorry for being late... :) 15:52 russ that is confusing 15:51 rach Yes 15:51 paul and it's not easy for a newbie to find all informations. 15:51 paul i think there are a lot of web sites related to koha 15:51 rach yes- rather than changing the hostings 15:51 paul yep. 15:51 rach umm I think it was about finding all the koha websites 15:51 paul it was related to the various web hostings we have i suspect 15:51 jmlongo webhosting of what? 15:50 slef so, webhosting ? 15:50 chris what was koha hosting about rach? 15:48 shedges (let's the list lurkers know we're working on it) 15:48 paul so, webhosting ? 15:48 shedges OK 15:48 slef JYL: wait for traffic to be high enough. shedges: I suspect koha. 15:48 JYL Or do we continue on the Wiki only ?! 15:47 JYL Could we have a sourceforge mailing list dedicated to documentation ? 15:47 paul lol 15:47 shedges on koha? or koha-devel? 15:47 jmlongo it depends on what world u live :) 15:47 slef Will shedges chair the list discussion? 15:47 rach I'm hoping that Mike will sort out the whole sitemap/how to find stuff, bit 15:46 paul what ? slef ? you are really sure Koha is not the center of this world ? i'm very disappointed :-D 15:46 Denis U can use RoboDemo to make some films 15:46 rach Right - I think that Koha hosting is next? 15:46 chris sounds good 15:46 slef shedges++ 15:46 rach rather than right now :-) 15:46 chris give us time slef :-) 15:46 rach we can have a more focused indepth one on documentation on list 15:46 paul & i'll bug french mailing list too... 15:45 slef end user of the library uses the OPAC. koha is not yet the center of this world ;-) 15:45 rach He will send the list an e-mail about that and like the 2.4 release conversation 15:45 owen patron is the end user of the opac, librarians are the end users of the intranet 15:45 slef OPAC is end user, please don't confuse that. 15:45 rach Stephen has agreed to be the "project manager" for documentation, to organise the various documentation efforts, encourage developers to write the tech stuff, and some other people to translate that for librarians, and into other languages 15:44 JYL I'm still using that silly IT langage... 15:44 shedges the admin help and the opac help are the most important 15:44 paul no, i think jyl speaks of librarian (vs developper) 15:44 JYL yes, sorry emiliano 15:44 Denis OPAC? 15:44 jmlongo End USER!!... yeah!! :) 15:44 shedges yes indeed! 15:44 emiliano librarian? 15:44 emiliano end user 15:44 JYL Stephen, what do you think, we focus on 'end user manual' ?! 15:43 chris heh 15:43 paul but no more than 2 weeks ;-) 15:43 shedges ok, chris, you're excused for a while! 15:43 jmlongo I'll look up too... 15:43 chris :) 15:43 paul chris goes for honeymoon, paul goes for baby... 15:43 Denis could we summarize about documentation? 15:43 chris stephen: yep ill do a look, but it probably wont be until after the honeymoon, so others could look as well 15:43 paul wow, the koha team will be very long & worldwide ;-) 15:43 rach Next... 15:42 rach great 15:42 jmlongo :) 15:42 shedges yep 15:42 rach yep I think so, stephen up for that? 15:42 chris and how 15:42 chris and then decide what to focus on 15:42 JYL yes, just requires for our help 15:42 shedges chris will look for good tools? 15:42 chris so the next step is a call for doc writers .. to try and build a team? 15:42 rach OK it is now officially stephens problem :-) 15:42 owen Stephen doesn't need any encouragement to be a tyrant! ;) 15:41 rach Yep 15:41 chris ud think not :-) 15:41 shedges (can that be done??) 15:41 chris back to documentation... i think stephen has been bullied into be a tyrant 15:41 paul (it's now on opac-main.pl, with CSS template. appears only when you're logged) 15:40 chris it will need to be added to whatever templates you want it on 15:40 paul i've included it in official OPAC 15:40 JYL BRAVO ! 15:40 chris sample too 15:40 chris i commited it jyl, and a smaple template 15:40 Denis Paul : this is a G. W. Bush action 15:40 JYL Paul, do we get the needed "change langage" button in the 2.2 release ?! 15:40 paul no, but that may be a good idea slef. 15:39 slef Do we have a 2.2 test server with "Help" links going to the wiki? 15:39 rach SO we need a voulunteer to do that? 15:39 paul (koha.org still inaccessible from france) 15:39 JYL right ! 15:39 Denis I agree 15:39 paul yep. 15:39 shedges finish the online help for 2.2 15:38 slef shedges: need to figure out what is most important, first 15:38 rach and we don't have tools that are well liked to do it 15:38 Denis Online help is very important for me 15:38 paul mmm... maybe JYL did the suggestion we need to leave this forever lasting question of the chicken & the egg 15:38 rach We currently do very patchy documentation and help 15:37 rach OK here is a quick summary of where I think we are at with this 15:37 JYL Could we agree on simple approach, 0) release new functions 1) online help 2) end user manual and so on ,! 15:37 shedges how do we build the content? 15:37 rach but could we start with getting the actual information on the wiki? 15:37 shedges format comes after content 15:37 rach yes 15:37 jmlongo that's true... 15:37 paul for librarians we need a nice PDF printable document 15:37 rach Yes 15:36 paul but wiki is OK only for developpers. 15:36 paul ok 15:36 shedges wiki stuff 15:36 paul paul's doc ? which one ? 15:36 emiliano ok we'll publish 15:36 shedges i learn a lot from paul's docs 15:36 shedges doing docs in other languages is OK, as long as we share. 15:36 Denis emiliano in dutch ;-) 15:35 paul yes rach, but HOW to explain what & how to write ? 15:35 chris work too 15:35 chris step 2, then find out out what tools would ork 15:35 emiliano I think we'll do documentation for librarians but in spanish ;-) 15:35 paul ok, but i was speaking of them because of stephen writing. 15:35 rach yep - but we need some people to actually do the writing 15:35 shedges yep 15:35 chris try to gather together some doc writers 15:35 shedges OK, but the bullying people to make the effort would be my task. 15:35 chris so step 1 15:34 rach yep 15:34 owen Yes 15:34 slef emiliano++ 15:34 emiliano sorry but I think we're discussing about tools when the real problem is effort-people isn't it? 15:34 slef We can probably forget about my customers using web-based systems, as they have slow lines. 15:34 chris i wonder, could we send someone off on a mission to find that out 15:34 shedges what else is out there? 15:33 rach yes it is 15:33 chris wow is right 15:33 slef Is it web-based? 15:33 jmlongo wow! 15:33 paul (after the 700 set up fee) 15:33 paul they propose 300E for each document structure to set. 15:32 paul they also provide proof reading. 15:32 paul and helping organising the work 15:32 paul and it's only help for setting up Borges 15:32 paul NO, it's only free software based 15:31 shedges would everyone who wrotes docs have to have a neodoc license? 15:31 paul something like 700Euros for setting up the site. 15:31 jmlongo yep.. 15:31 shedges yep, that's basic 15:31 chris good point 15:30 slef To be honest, I think the first stage is for the RM to start refusing undocumented commits. My attempts to understand and describe koha have been hindered by undocumented code. 15:30 Denis Paul? 15:30 rach Paul/Denis what does NeoDoc cost? 15:30 JYL be the tyrant of our common documentation ! 15:30 rach if we can't bully stephen into doing it :-) 15:30 shedges hmmm. if you guys decide on the right doc tools, i do a pretty good tyrant act! 15:29 JYL be the tyrant of our common documentation ! 15:29 rach So I think we need to attract some people interested in this to the project 15:29 JYL Stephen I'm your servitor ! 15:29 Denis i am back 15:29 rach yes 15:29 paul & who should release often/release soon documentation to be able to translate into various languages. 15:29 Denis excuse me my cat is asking me to open the door 15:29 rach so we should have a "documentor" who works with the release manager 15:28 chris no new release without accompanying documentation 15:28 chris who should work close with a release manager and we should make it our policy for the future 15:28 paul shedges => do you want to be doc dictator ? 15:27 Denis but it is very...helpful to build an help 15:27 rach well good tools can help - if people *like* using it then they might do more 15:27 paul but that's technology denis loves ;-) 15:27 chris i think we need people, i like stephens answer we need a documentation tyrant 15:27 Denis no 15:27 paul slef => no 15:27 paul rach => i don't know. 15:27 slef Denis: is it free software? 15:27 JYL Stephen you're a master of documentation until now 15:27 paul I got only 2 answers. 15:27 Denis do you know the Macromedia e-Help software? 15:26 rach that's why I asked really - is it a problem that technology can solve? or is it a "people problem" that we need some people to actuallly do it 15:26 paul a few months ago, I asked for help on french ML 15:26 slef Put neodoc in the maybe/later stack for now. 15:26 paul everybody agrees I think. 15:26 chris yep 15:26 shedges Someone needs to be the "documentation" tyrant and dictate what is done -- and where 15:26 jmlongo exactly... :) 15:26 JYL Soory guys, but in my opinion we need manuals to reassure our librarians 15:26 slef So we need to find librarians who will write, or learn enough library to write it ourselves, and give those doing the writing whatever they want. 15:26 rach yes 15:26 paul the question of the chicken & the egg... (frenchism ?) 15:25 rach yep it looks like a good tool, but we don't have much to publish yet :-) 15:25 chris yeah that sysadmin manual is comig along nicely 15:25 slef jferraro has a draft of a sysadmin manual, which I will help with 15:25 paul so can produce PDF & HTML versions as well as anything else 15:25 Denis ok 15:24 paul for neodoc, it's XML technology 15:24 Denis Would the manual on-line or a printed-one? 15:24 slef Yes, the problem is writing. 15:24 emiliano but need volunteers for writing 15:24 rach or is that not right? 15:24 slef I am worried by www.neodoc.org as it seems bigger on process and technology than writing. 15:24 paul I think that's what we really lack today. 15:24 paul on a web based interface. 15:23 emiliano ok 15:23 paul they provide tools to write common documentation. 15:23 rach OK 15:23 paul NO. 15:23 rach do they write the documentation? 15:23 JYL Let's concentrate on one good english manual first (Proposal!) 15:23 paul one question after another... 15:23 shedges are we like to find any funds? 15:23 JYL JYL is looking for an english manual first ! 15:23 paul does anyone have something to say or are you waiting for more infos from me ? 15:23 slef Do we know jferraro's opinion of this? 15:22 rach Documentation. For this, i've some news. I've met neodoc company (http://www.neodoc.org/index.php?show=&lang=en) and have a financial proposal for hosting & helping doc organizing. We just have to find funds & define strategy (ie : do we want to have 1 common doc in english with various translation ? how to manage the diffs between MARC21 & UNIMARC ? ...) 15:22 jmlongo no prob from me 15:21 paul (about .po translation tool) 15:21 slef Can we add .po files to the end of the meeting? 15:21 jmlongo Hi :) 15:21 Denis lol 15:21 paul ;-) 15:20 rach before you all fall asleep 15:20 rach OK quickly then ... Documentation 15:20 paul ok. hi martin. 15:20 emiliano he's working enhacing .po files 15:20 rach oh hi Martin 15:20 Denis Denis more tired than Paul ;-) 15:20 slef Are we onto documentation or website now? 15:20 emiliano Martin is our official translator 15:20 matias hi Martin 15:20 emiliano Hi Martin 15:19 rach something I am *very* happy to hear 15:19 paul good news, good news... 15:19 jmlongo Hi everybody... sorry I'm late! 15:19 rach so that we get a bit more coherance going 15:19 chris yay mike 15:19 rach and Mike has volunteered to be in charge of sorting out the website stuff 15:19 emiliano ok 15:19 owen Great news. Thanks Russ! 15:19 slef emiliano: will you take charge of summarising the discussion? 15:18 paul (denis, stay here, pls, we will speak of doc project soon. You should be interested) 15:18 russ yep sure 15:18 rach Russ has kindly volunteered to do some QA for the new release 15:18 chris yep paul 15:18 chris yep, a discusion on the lists might be the easiest to start with 15:18 paul so a koha-dev discussion is better, with a "wiki" summary 15:18 rach so a couple more volunteer positions 15:17 rach yep 15:17 paul an IRC meeting is quite complex because of worldwide koha spread 15:17 rach yes that is a good idea - there are a few more things to sort out before we all get sucked into the fun of planning the next version :-) 15:17 emiliano I'll be happy 15:17 slef chris++ 15:17 chris perhaps we should organise a 2.4 meetin at some point? or at least a 2.4 discussion on the devel list? 15:16 rach that's what we have done with 1.2 basically 15:16 rach Slef I would think realistically until you've converted your customers to the new version is a good "rule of thumb" 15:16 slef OK, as there's a couple of things I'd like to hack into 2.4 15:15 rach shouldn't be a life sentance :-) 15:15 rach not indefinitly 15:15 slef (sorry, realised that didn't make sense) 15:15 Denis big "bravo" to Paul for 2.2 15:15 slef Until 2.2.1's release date or beyond? 15:15 rach 2.2.1 I would hope 15:15 slef Until 2.2.1 or beyond? 15:15 Denis all right 15:14 rach And we expect 2.0 to need to keep going for a while yet 15:14 rach erg - sorry slef 15:14 chris -t 15:14 rach 2.4 = Emiliano 15:14 rach 2.2 = Paul 15:14 rach 2.0 = Sleft 15:13 paul rach, i let you summarize 15:13 owen I'm pleased to introduce Stephen Hedges, director of the Nelsonville Public Library in Ohio 15:13 slef So, who is each RM? 15:13 paul hi stephen 15:13 paul user of Koha 2.0.0 in it's library (research) 15:13 shedges hi all 15:13 rach hi stephen 15:13 paul i'm please to introduce Denis Lieppe, from Sorbonne university. 15:13 Denis hi rach 15:13 rach bonjour denis 15:13 Denis hi Paul 15:13 paul another frenchy... 15:12 Denis hello all 15:12 emiliano ok 15:12 rach I can send a letter as a PDF for you 15:12 emiliano no paul one only in the same Ministry 15:12 rach and let me know to whom I should address the mail and any other details it needs to have 15:11 emiliano ok 15:11 rach ok - emiliano, can you please e-mail me at rachel@katipo.co.nz 15:11 paul in france, we have 2 ministries concerned by ILS : the culture & the education. Is it the same in Argentina ? 15:10 emiliano because of this I need the mail 15:10 emiliano our actual efforts 15:10 emiliano of Education could help to enforce 15:10 emiliano I hope that the National Ministry 15:09 emiliano 2 projects related with Koha 15:09 emiliano In Argentina is there 15:09 emiliano I wish to clear one thing 15:09 rach yes I can do that :-) 15:09 chris :) 15:09 paul so, ask rachel ;-) 15:09 emiliano I think so 15:09 emiliano yes 15:09 paul yes, you asked for a mail for your boss. 15:08 paul if yes => rach, as kaitiaki, you should take care of it. 15:08 emiliano official mail? 15:08 paul emiliano : do you still think an official mail cuold be a good thing ? 15:08 chris as 2.2 hasnt been released yet, so like paul says 2.4 isnt urgent .. then when you have done the things u need urgently can work more on the release manager role 15:07 rach Excellent 15:07 emiliano ok in this case I agree 15:07 chris the way id do it, is concentrate on doing the urgent things you need first 15:07 paul but i'm sure you will be a good release manager. 15:07 emiliano jajaja 15:07 rach sounds good to me 15:07 paul and even if you feel too bad release manager, i can take the role. 15:06 emiliano ok 15:06 chris emiliano: yep that is the question, but thats something we can all discuss i think ur roadmap is a good start 15:06 owen How about this: emiliano and his team are named release managers, and ask Paul for help when they have questions? 15:06 paul yes, you're right. But that's a question we have 2 months or something like that to define. 15:05 paul so, a good news : before being release manager for Koha, i never had beenr release manager ;-) 15:05 emiliano what must include 15:05 emiliano what is 2.4? 15:05 emiliano but the real question is 15:05 matias :-) 15:05 emiliano could be 15:05 emiliano jajaja 15:05 paul and that may be frightening no ? 15:04 paul so, the main problem is that you will be release manager for the 1st time. 15:04 emiliano but could start 15:04 emiliano we need it urgently 15:04 emiliano ok I agree 15:04 paul for me, the 2.4 official release does not have to be released urgently 15:03 paul emiliano, I think that the good question is the timing one. 15:03 rach yes I agree too :-) 15:03 chris slef even :) 15:03 chris yep, i agree that 2.0 should continue for a while self 15:02 emiliano I mean that we can distribute the tasks 15:02 slef I would volunteer, but I think that 2.0 should continue into 2.2's early life and I now think that other developers are cross with me about the arch move (but didn't say before). 15:02 paul what do you mean exactly by "help" ? 15:02 matias yeap 15:02 paul right ;-) 15:02 emiliano we can help you 15:02 paul i'm ok to be release manager OR rleease maintainer 15:02 rach he can't be 2.2 maintainer *and* 2.4 release manager 15:01 paul I can't do everything 15:01 paul mmm... 15:01 emiliano Paul? 15:01 chris if anyone else wants to volunteer :-) 15:00 chris the release manager doesnt have to be a developer 15:00 emiliano very urgent 15:00 emiliano to accomplish 15:00 emiliano and we have some requeriments 15:00 matias exactly... ;-) 14:59 emiliano is a very responsable position 14:59 emiliano I think Matias wants to say that being release manager 14:59 matias and to contribute with new ideas... 14:58 matias we are open to work on bug fixing... 14:58 matias we are open to contribute... 14:58 matias as I was saying... 14:56 paul so why do you think it would be a better idea to propose someone else ? 14:56 matias no...I am happy... :) 14:55 paul am i missing something ? 14:55 paul matias seems not so happy with this idea 14:55 paul I was suggesting you as 2.4 release manager. 14:55 slef rach: fairly difficult until the arch move, then fairly easy, but certain 2.2 developers don't answer bugs emails. 14:55 matias hello... 14:55 paul we were speaking of 2.4 release manager. 14:54 paul welcome emiliano. 14:54 emiliano Hi everybody 14:54 matias I think it would be a better idea to propose another release manager.. 14:54 slef paul: I would continue 2.0.x until 2.2.1 14:54 paul * dealing with multi-marc & multi-countries questions. 14:53 matias yeah...that´s why I´m telling you this... 14:53 paul * building & testing releases 14:53 paul * accepting/rejecting new ideas 14:53 paul I think he is aware that being release manager means commiting code, but also a lot of other things : 14:53 paul emiliano & I had a long IRC discussion a few days ago. 14:52 matias of course, all those things that people like... :-) 14:52 matias we are open to contribute with all that we´ve made... 14:51 matias I think... 14:51 paul s/suggestion/suggesting 14:50 paul I already have said to rachel I was suggestion to be 2.2 release maintainer & let emiliano & argentina team (matias) be 2.4 release manager. 14:50 rach Sleft how hard has it been to be 2.0 release maintainer? 14:49 paul slef, any opinion on 1st questiion ? 14:49 paul * who will be 2.2 release maintainer ? 14:49 paul * when do we swap to 2.2 release manager to 2.2 release maintainer ? 14:49 paul * what do we do with the 2.0 branch ? 14:48 paul the question now is : 14:48 paul i'll have to migrate my customers too, so i'll have to do some tests too 14:48 JYL Can only test it on my Sarge Debian install... 14:48 paul (iirc) 14:48 paul (it's written in 2.1.2 release notes in fact ;-) ) 14:47 paul i'll let you know how to do this from a 2.0.0 install 14:47 paul ok, thanks JYL 14:47 JYL I'm volunteer to test the updater script Paul ! 14:47 paul ??? rach ??? 14:47 paul (thanks. It's my 3rd little guy...) 14:47 rach so best to get things done before hand? 14:46 matias congratulations :-) 14:46 paul (so i'll be a little less here in the next 3-4 weeks) 14:46 rach yup :-) 14:46 rach excellent :-) 14:45 paul ok. 14:45 rach Slef and Paul can you work that out between yourselves, when you've both got a bit more time ? 14:44 paul the updater tool is untested, but the updatedatabase script has been updated on every DB change 14:44 rach yes that sounds fair 14:44 slef Enough to see that you need a 2.2 testbed library to design this, or a really safe upgrade script. 14:44 rach Slef you think one of your customers might be able to help, if Paul does a good guide so that the data can be migrated from 2.0 to 2.2? 14:43 paul are those minor explanations enough ? 14:42 paul i'll modify the DB structure schema ASAP 14:42 paul there are no technical description of the diffs 14:42 paul for MARC authorities, it's a copy of MARC biblio with frameworks 14:41 paul otherwise, it's the same DB for MARC 14:41 paul in MARC biblio, the difference is in the "framework" column 14:41 slef Is there a guide to differences? 14:41 paul not exactly 14:41 slef Are the tables the same as 2.0? 14:40 paul so what i'm hoping is a library that could help building nice MARC21 files. 14:40 paul & complete "sample DB" 14:39 paul * unimarc parameters for various authorities types (like NC for Common Names, NP for Propers Names)... 14:39 paul * UNIMARC default authority structure 14:39 paul * systmeprefs in french & for france 14:39 paul * UNIMARC parameters for multimedia framework 14:38 paul * UNIMARC default biblio structure 14:38 paul something like (for france) 14:38 rach Do we have any MARC21 libraries here now? 14:38 paul in the 2.2 installer, the user can select various files for installing, to have a well working DB 14:38 paul this last * needs help from MARC21 libraries. 14:38 paul * MARC21 SQL files. 14:37 paul * some changes in plugins to find editor from ISBN & collection selector 14:37 paul (i'll, sorry) 14:37 slef What will? 14:36 paul * LDAP connections fixes. It'll take care of this 14:36 paul I need 3 things to rlease 2.2 : 14:36 chris slef: its in debian, at least in testing and unstable it is 14:36 paul So I think it's better to release soon, & produce bugfixes more often. 14:35 owen slef: a version of the koha-cvs list? Not that I know of. 14:35 paul in France, many libraries were waiting for 2.0.0 even when 2.0.0RC4 was released. 14:35 paul it's really useable, & I think I was too slow to release official 2.0.0 14:34 paul the next one should be a 2.2RC1, in stable tree. 14:34 paul the 2.1.2 will probably be the last one in unstable tree 14:34 paul however, the 2.2 status : 14:34 slef owen: is there a version without the diffs? 14:34 paul can't answer for others distros 14:34 paul PDF::API2 is not on mandrake distrib. 14:33 paul maybe, it's a very common perlpackage 14:33 paul i don't know. 14:32 slef like packaged for debian, fedora, mandrake and so on? 14:32 owen https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/koha-cvs 14:32 paul distributions ? 14:32 slef paul: is that in distributions? 14:32 paul wow ! you didn't know this list exists. Too bad we never spoke of it before. 14:31 slef owen: I didn't know it existed. 14:31 paul PDF::API2 14:31 paul it's in 2.1.2 release notes ;-) 14:31 paul yes owen, but slef uses arch, not the sourceforge cvs. 14:31 slef paul: what does the barcode printer require? 14:31 rosa sounds cool to me, slef 14:31 paul i hadn't the time to ask slef. I admit. 14:31 owen Are you signed up for the Koha-CVS list slef? 14:30 slef So don't you go all :-( here now over stuff you never said before. 14:30 matias :-) 14:30 paul with continuous barcode, or selected inventory. 14:30 slef I can render 2.0 bugfixes in whatever format you want, but no-one has asked for anything until now. 14:30 paul it generates nice PDF page with barcodes on it. 14:30 owen I think many of us don't know what's going on with 2.0 14:29 paul so i can't merge your 2.0 bugfixes on 2.2 branch :-( 14:29 slef barcodes on the fly helper 14:29 paul slef : my problem with what you do with the 2.0 branch is that i've no mail like with sourceforge cvs. 14:29 slef Is that botf or another one? 14:28 paul in 2.1.2 14:28 slef Should I be marking 2.0 bugs FIXED, or reversioning 2.2 so you can check they're fixed for that too? 14:28 paul the barcode generator is included. 14:28 chris right 14:28 paul none of them are blocking, but most are really annoying. 14:28 paul (coming from 3days tests with Ecole des Mines de Nantes) 14:28 paul it's still in unstable branch. I've something like 15 bugs to squash. 14:27 paul i've released a 2.1.2 today. 14:27 paul the 2.2 status : 14:27 paul ok slef 14:27 slef paul: I'm here, but intermittently able to look at the screen. 14:27 paul I think I must write some things here & now 14:27 rach all righty - 2.2 release date and maintainer.... 14:26 rach ah ok sure paul 14:26 paul slef are you still here ? if yes, it may be better to speak 1st of release managers/maintainers ? 14:26 rach who doesn't need to do HTML if they don't want 14:25 rach which is website editor 14:25 paul yep 14:25 rach which brings us quickly to the other volunteer position I think we need 14:24 paul Rachel Hamilton, Koha kaitiaki. Sounds nice... 14:24 chris the same paul 14:24 rach cool - thanks :-) 14:24 paul how do you say kaitiaki for a girl in maori ? 14:24 paul kudos rach 14:23 JYL congratulations rach ! 14:23 russ owen, i'll sort one out for her today 14:23 rach and a wand :-) 14:23 owen If only we had a tiara for rach... 14:23 JYL NO ! 14:23 rach does anyone object to it being me? 14:22 rach sorry - anyone else other than me :-) 14:22 paul yes : you ;-) 14:21 rach So is there anyone else who would like to be the Kaitiaki? 14:21 rach How long do you have? 14:20 rach AH yes certainly - sorry slef 14:20 rach and I think his work policy might have changed, so hasn't been able to keep it up unfortunatly 14:20 slef Small point of order: if the meeting details change, can it be a new post rather than a reply, please? 14:20 rach The first is Kaitiaki, which has been done well by Pat Eyler over the last few years, but he's got busy with work 14:19 rach First shall we do the volunteer "positions" ? 14:18 rach Yep we have a short agenda 14:18 chris i think that is everyone? 14:18 rach cool 14:17 paul skoba => logbot is here for irc logging : www.koha.org/irc 14:17 tim Yes I am chris 14:16 rach you said something very helpful the other day = we always need newbies to point out where we've been captured by our own cleverness :-) 14:16 skoba sorry, i wont't be here that night cos' of family afair (i say hello to all (poor english) but i log the chan tonight) bonne nuit les enfants...... 14:16 chris ur from west liberty public library right tim? 14:16 tim would like to help, but don't know enough yet. 14:16 matias ja ja...by the way...sorry my english..I´ll improve it...I promise... :-) 14:15 JYL It shouldn't be a problem ! 14:15 rach me to 14:15 matias I think I´m gonna have to learn some french... ;-) 14:15 owen kados is Joshua Ferraro, also from the Nelsonville Public Library, but it doesn't look like he's around 14:15 rach can you do your intro :-) 14:14 tim I'm here. 14:14 paul another ppl speaking french ;-) 14:14 rach tim are you about? 14:14 rach skoba looks to be away 14:13 rach despite my best efforts to wake him up 14:13 rach Si is Simon Blake who is the one who was playing with the server late last night, so he's still asleep 14:13 paul JYL means Jean Yves Lemaire 14:13 JYL sounds good for me rach ! 14:12 rach and JYL - which in my head I'm pronouncing Jill by the way 14:12 paul what I find interesting with this meeting is that there are more and more europeans. 14:12 paul hello matti. 14:12 rach nice to meet you Matti 14:11 JYL YYYEEEAAHHH !! Bravo 14:11 sad-hu_ hello, sad-hu is Matti Lassila, I did the finnish translation 14:11 paul don't forget to say you're french JYL :D 14:11 rach one of our servers got swapped last night 14:11 rach paul we're having trouble this morning 14:11 slef Apologies first of all. Because I thought this meeting was at 1800Z, I'm elsewhere too now (1900Z) 14:11 paul type=MX: Host not found, try again 14:11 paul <koha@lists.katipo.co.nz>: Name service error for name=lists.katipo.co.nz 14:11 paul mmm... i tried to announce 2.1.2 public release on koha mailing list : 14:11 JYL JYL is a newbie interested in documentation and translation, testing 2.0 & 2.2 14:10 matias ;-) 14:10 matias for that 14:10 matias thanks Paul or that... 14:09 rosa rosa is Rosalie Blake, librarian from Horowhenua, NZ 14:09 matias ja ja...ok...thank you so much...!!! 14:08 rach Great work Matias 14:08 paul it's matias 14:08 paul ladies & gentlemen, let me introduce the guy that commited that so nice label printing module in 2.1.2 !!! 14:07 rach Chris you're at the top of the list :-) 14:07 chris sounds good 14:07 rach we might get a few more straglers - but shall we start with introductions 14:07 rach but it's good to know where you are from 14:07 rach :-) 14:07 UNLP-Phys yeah...I was thinking that... 14:05 rach Matias - it might have been easier to "say" your name :-) 14:04 UNLP-Phys ok...thanks... 14:04 chris without the space at the front 14:04 chris /nick newnickname 14:03 matias-UN I didn´t know there was a string limit... 14:03 matias-UN paul..how can I change my nickname...? 14:03 paul hi matias 14:02 matias-UN hi people... 14:01 paul hi logbot ;-)