Time Nick Message 11:16 emiliano regards 11:16 paul bye 11:15 emiliano great 11:15 paul that's the beauty of free software 11:15 paul ok, i'll do. And maybe i'll modify the CVS myself ;-) 11:15 emiliano the ideas 11:15 emiliano ups 11:15 paul ok, unless you have something to add, i'll leave to be with my family. 11:15 emiliano for making more generic 11:15 emiliano what do you see 11:15 emiliano if you have a bit of time could you tell me by mail 11:14 paul to help coders being better 11:14 emiliano ok 11:14 paul that's the release manager role too. 11:14 paul and it would be bad/poor 11:14 emiliano ok 11:14 paul yes, but if I do this for MY library, i may ignore this. 11:13 emiliano yes 11:13 emiliano but could be configured from Syspar actually 11:13 paul and modify the code accordingly 11:13 paul so => need a systemparameter to set ON/OFF 11:13 paul but some libraries don't want to get suggestions from the borrowers. 11:13 paul it's written, OK. 11:13 paul for example => the "suggestion" module. 11:12 emiliano great for us 11:12 paul but maybe some modifs to improve versatility will be done 11:12 emiliano ok 11:12 paul i didn't saw anything that could not be included for instance. 11:12 emiliano must be included in official version or not 11:11 emiliano this "ideas" are implemented, we wish to know if 11:11 emiliano but there is a little difference 11:11 paul then you compile ideas to a roadmap on your site. 11:11 paul in this case, the best place is the wiki, to get a lot of ideas from a lot of people. 11:10 paul maybe we could speak of a "brainstorming". 11:10 paul will become a roadmap later. 11:10 emiliano could be features to potentially add 11:10 paul you're right. not yet. 11:10 emiliano that is not a Roadmap 11:10 emiliano paul: I'm looking for a title for that "Roadmap" 11:09 emiliano yes 11:09 paul volunteer => not yet 11:09 paul possible idea => not sure 11:09 paul good idea => yes. 11:09 paul for example, i've ideas to integrate a synonym dictionnary in Koha 11:08 emiliano I agree 11:08 paul and on the left things that are for later 11:08 emiliano is that they give the idea of closed 11:08 paul the release manager role is to put on the right what is a good idea, a possible idea, and has a volunteer 11:08 emiliano perhaps the problem as we shown the features 11:07 paul (mmm... no, my customers have some ;-) ) 11:07 emiliano jajaaja, excelent! 11:07 paul i already have some ;-) 11:07 paul and i'm sure there are dozens of other ideas that will appear. 11:07 emiliano great! 11:07 paul consider i'll do many tests for france ;-) 11:07 emiliano yes, no problem I think 11:06 paul and remember also that your features must be MARC21 / UNIMARC / other compatible. 11:06 emiliano to test if there is interest on its 11:06 paul good idea (to divide) 11:06 paul that's too much. I'll do just 1-2 for 2.2 11:06 emiliano we could divide in features that are in test/production locally 11:06 paul for 2.0, there was 7 versions before official 2.0.0 release 11:05 paul that's why it's a "long" process. 11:05 paul delivering a public version means a lot of packaging & testing 11:05 emiliano you're right 11:05 paul (intestest => wishes) 11:05 paul don't think just your case. Think community interest. 11:04 emiliano we could deliver now 11:04 emiliano the things that are done if there is interest 11:04 paul if it's far enough, then we could add other features. 11:04 emiliano ah ok 11:04 paul WHEN do you plan to release 2.4 ? 11:04 emiliano but we want know 11:04 paul ok, but go a little bit further. 11:04 emiliano because of this we include screenshots 11:03 paul not to "dream" ? 11:03 emiliano most part of the things are done 11:03 emiliano not! 11:03 paul or you consider that we are still dreaming and say "what would be nice in 2.4" ? 11:03 paul either you consider yourself as release manager. In this case, you say "will contain this, because i'll do it", and we add other features from ppl saying "ok, i'll do this myself" 11:02 emiliano as an imposition 11:02 paul in fact, there are 2 solutions : 11:02 emiliano it'll be discussed next week and now sounds 11:02 paul mmm... as you want. 11:01 emiliano dont you think? 11:01 emiliano perhaps is better to tell Koha 2.4 proposal for Roadmap 11:01 emiliano well paul, perhaps we could nt tell Koha 2.4 Roadmap 11:00 paul ;-) 11:00 emiliano jajajaja 11:00 paul in fact, they tell me they installed MacAfee. But in fact, they just installed a small MacAfee soft that cleans Netsky ! 10:59 emiliano what a headeache 10:59 paul so they were infected... 10:59 paul they didn't 10:59 paul telling they MUST install anti-virus on the 40 windows computers. 10:59 paul (i installed a firewall/mail server/web access 7 months ago 10:58 emiliano ooohhh 10:58 paul (a customer had problems with virus...) 10:58 emiliano don't worry 10:58 emiliano ups 10:58 paul no, i was out 10:58 emiliano could you read our proposal Paul? 10:57 emiliano yes! 10:57 emiliano jajajaja 10:57 paul you had a good night ? 10:57 paul g' morning emiliano 03:01 emiliano bye 03:01 emiliano ok, perhaps could be more generic and so on 03:01 paul good night 03:01 paul ok. 03:01 emiliano yes 03:01 paul your roadmap ? 03:01 paul think of what ? 03:00 emiliano I have to leave Paul, pls tell me what you think by email 02:57 emiliano where? 02:57 emiliano jajajaj, could be 02:57 paul i don't understand what you mean 02:55 emiliano add some OPAC features 02:55 emiliano I have forgotten to add in the last screen that should 02:54 emiliano send me an email 02:54 emiliano should but... 02:54 paul lol 02:54 paul your night is ended ? 02:54 emiliano ups 02:47 paul (altough a little bit slow) 02:47 paul ok, the address & login works fine 02:47 paul 10AM 02:46 emiliano what time is it in France? 02:46 paul good night 02:46 emiliano I'm going to sleep!!!! 02:45 emiliano ok 02:45 paul i'll check today 02:45 emiliano quick ;-) 02:45 paul ok, recieved. 02:45 emiliano pls tell me if it was received 02:44 emiliano has gone...the email 02:41 emiliano of course 02:41 paul ;-) 02:41 paul you must be here 02:41 emiliano finish it before 20 02:41 emiliano I was trying to 02:40 emiliano yep 02:40 paul do you see the IRC meeting ? 02:40 emiliano ok 02:40 paul please. 02:40 emiliano have assigned login pswd to modify contents also 02:40 emiliano send you the URL by mail? 02:40 emiliano a 2.4 roadmap 02:40 emiliano I've "finished" 02:39 paul hi emiliano 02:39 paul yep 02:39 emiliano paul are you here? 02:39 emiliano Hi everybody 02:08 paul good evening chris 02:06 chris morning paul 22:31 kados great article chris 17:11 chris http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,64945,00.html 17:06 kados np :) 17:04 chris thanks for that email to the list joshua 17:01 chris heh 17:01 ToyKeeper Wow. Politicians there must not be the pox-infested slime buckets that I'm used to around here... I wouldn't want one anywhere near my kids, if I had any. 16:59 chris :-) 16:59 chris its been a long time since we have had a meeting, there are quite a few new developers 16:58 chris and itd be time for a round of intro again i reckon 16:58 chris i think itd be a biggish discussion .. so last on the agenda might be good :-) be good to talk about roles etc first 16:57 ToyKeeper I don't have much experience with arch, but it does seem like a big improvement over cvs. 16:57 chris my thing is .. sourceforge for all its faults .. mostly does what we want 16:56 ToyKeeper svn is pretty nice too, and has good windows clients. 16:56 chris (current stable) 16:56 chris for the 2.0.x branch 16:55 chris we are trialing it 16:55 ToyKeeper Does koha use arch? 16:54 chris i think so owen 16:54 chris its much more fun breaking stuff in the development branch 16:54 owen I wonder if the whole arch vs. cvs issue should be discussed? 16:54 chris yep 16:54 ToyKeeper Hard and usually no fun. 16:54 chris more power to him, maintaining the stable release is hard work :) 16:52 chris yep 16:52 kados paul wan't the argentinians to be the 2.4 release managers and he want's to maintaine 2.2 last I heard 16:52 ToyKeeper I was happy I finally knew what one of the words meant. :) 16:52 chris heh? really 16:52 ToyKeeper The word "katipo" came up in balderdash last week during game night... 16:50 chris thats what we are missing i think .. that overall leadership 16:50 owen Yes 16:50 chris i think the kaitiaki role will come up at the meeting 16:50 owen Sure. 16:50 chris so he will have the say whats in or out of the release 16:49 chris hes the release manager 16:49 chris im not sure 16:49 owen Under Paul, though right? 16:49 chris but yep its mostly paul .. the argentinians are doing some work for 2.4 16:48 chris ahh there are other french developers working on it 16:48 chris yep it'll be good to catch up 16:48 owen I'm grateful that work is getting done, but I'd prefer to see more than one person doing it! 16:48 owen I'm looking forward to the IRC meeting. It's hard to tell these days what's going on on the development front. Paul seems to be dominating all the new work. 16:47 chris there is a lot of interest in koha at the moment, so we'd like to generate that into some work 16:46 chris rachel and russel are talking with lots of libraries around the place, and we have done lots of installs for people to evaluate .. hopefully it will lead to some live installations and development work 16:45 chris i hope so 16:44 owen chris, it sounds like you've been doing a lot of Koha installs recently. Will any of that lead to any Koha development work, do you think? 16:41 chris ahh right 16:40 ToyKeeper If I lived about an hour south (Denver), it'd be much easier to find work... but where I'm at now just isn't big enough to support the amount of open-source geeks living here. 16:40 chris colorado is the same size as nz (if u squish nz up) 16:40 chris at different times 16:39 chris both rach and I have been there 16:39 owen Right in the middle, and...over to the left a bit ;) 16:39 ToyKeeper A few hours north of that. 16:39 chris near grand junction? 16:39 chris ohh 16:39 ToyKeeper Right in the middle of the US... Colorado. 16:38 owen Where are you located, ToyKeeper? 16:37 ToyKeeper Oh, heh. I need to get enough money to fix up some things before selling it. Not much, but it's been difficult to get any income at all around here. 16:37 chris so thats the trick, a nice employer who is willing to help out with the visa 16:36 owen That's cool. 16:36 chris laurels employers wrote a nice letter say how she is perfect for the job, they couldnt find anyone else .. and how they wanted someone who had studied overseas ... which if you have the immmigration dept is pretty happy 16:35 owen Depending on how much one owes on one's house, a sale might not bring in much money! 16:34 ToyKeeper I'm hoping to save up enough to be able to sell my house and move in the next year or two. 16:33 chris yep owen, she can vote here, and in the us elections 16:33 chris but once she got that, residence was pretty easy 16:33 chris getting her work visa was a bit tricky, but thats cos ur not supposed to get it when ur already in nz 16:33 owen Can she vote by absentee ballot here? :) 16:32 chris laurel has permanent residence now 16:32 chris and depends on which country ur coming from too 16:32 ToyKeeper I heard it was easier for IT people and doctors to get visas... but otherwise pretty difficult. 16:32 chris on how nice ur employer is 16:31 chris depends 16:31 owen Someone told me it was really tough to get a visa 16:31 owen I wonder if that includes web designers 16:30 chris yep, just thinking it would be easyish to get a job :) 16:30 ToyKeeper That's not why I'm interested, though. :) It just seems like a much nicer place to live. 16:30 chris http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3591165&thesection=technology&thesubsection=comment 16:29 chris over here 16:29 chris shortage of IT workers they reckon 16:29 ToyKeeper I've been wanting to move to NZ for several years now... 16:28 chris well, one good thing, the nz$ is much stronger against the us$ now than it was 4 years ago, makes our wedding cheaper ... (looking for a silver lining :-)) 16:23 ToyKeeper I feel like I'm living in late 1930's germany. 16:22 ToyKeeper Yeah, that sounds like a good thing... it would hopefully avoid things like the past 4 years of US gov't. 16:21 chris seems to work quite well, makes for coalition governments .. which doesnt allow any one agenda to run roughshod over the others 16:20 chris thats how the greens got 5 seats, because they got 6% of the total vote .. but didnt actually win in any electorate 16:19 chris 1 for ur local representative, and 1 for a party 16:19 chris u get 2 votes 16:19 chris MMP = mixed member proportional .. for the general elections 16:19 chris thats how we vote for our mayor and councillors 16:18 chris ahh thats STV (well what they call it here) 16:18 ToyKeeper You just rank all the candidates in order, and may place more than one at the same rank if you have no preference between them. 16:17 ToyKeeper It's pretty simple from the voter's point of view, but has good properties. 16:17 ToyKeeper http://seehuhn.de/comp/vote.html 16:17 ToyKeeper Er, rather, I like the concorde system. :) 16:17 chris id like if they picked a system .. and stuck with it :-) MMP i like 16:16 chris for the wellington city council, its STV, and the wellington regional council its FPP 16:15 ToyKeeper I don't even care which multiple-vote system is used... I prefer condorcet, but approval is good too, as are others. 16:15 chris then for the local govt elections, there are about 4 systems in use 16:15 owen yeah, fixed like a broken clock, rather than fixed like a Vegas slot machine. 16:15 chris for the general elections (ie parliament) we use MMP 16:15 ToyKeeper If there were a multiple-vote system in place, I suspect the 3rd-party candidates would suddenly start winning. 16:15 chris dont get as confusing as nz toykeeper 16:14 ToyKeeper The voting system in the US really needs to be fixed. 16:14 chris somehow i doubt it :-) 16:14 owen Are there really 19 bored websurfers in Vatican City who are voting on this thing? :) 16:12 owen Well, Kerry gets another vote from me on behalf of the Czech Republic! 16:11 chris heh 16:11 owen I see Bush is doing very well in Liechtenstein 16:11 chris no .. not in ths slightest 16:11 owen Not very scientific, though, is it? :) 16:10 chris New Zealand 134 1477 8 % 91 % 16:10 ToyKeeper And that his friends are the ones who make the voting machines. :( 16:10 ToyKeeper ... yeah. 16:10 kados well it's hard to be optimistic when one remembers that bush actually lost last time 16:10 ToyKeeper I doubt that kerry is anywhere close to ideal, but it would be hard to be as bad. 16:10 chris pretty much the rest of the world hopes you do :-) 16:09 chris seen this ? http://betavote.com/ 16:09 kados hehe 16:09 ToyKeeper Hopefully *someone* will get rid of bush... 16:09 kados but I'm doubtful we'll beat bush 16:09 chris ohh right 16:09 kados so hopefully he'll be vice-prez 16:08 kados well actually it's Kerry/Edwards ... he's the fall guy 16:08 chris edwards was going for the democrat nomination eh? 16:07 chris ahh right 16:06 kados there's a rally tonight in athens featuring Edwards 16:06 kados but voting out bush for starters 16:06 kados we're discussing abolishing the nation state 16:05 kados our political discussion spilled over into #koha 16:05 kados hehe 16:05 chris u do? 16:05 kados we'd need to hire some contractors to maintain the interstates, etc... 15:57 kados morning chris 15:55 chris heya 15:55 owen hi chris 15:51 chris ata marie 15:48 owen That'd be fun! 15:48 kados well you can always pick on some of the state-wide sites OPLIN/OVAL/State library 15:47 kados hehe 15:47 owen Now if only I could finish that darn web standards speech... 15:46 kados yay! validated now ... thanks owen 15:32 owen You have to use escaped entities for < and >: < and > 15:29 kados I'd like to preserve the command for future generations :-) 15:28 kados is there some tag I can use to say 'ignore this next bit' 15:28 kados # ipcs -s | grep apache | perl -e 'while (<STDIN>) {<br /> 15:28 kados Line 370, column 49: element "STDIN" undefined 15:27 kados ok it's almost valid ... one problem left 15:25 kados blox handles all the tags for the actual blog 15:23 owen Then you can leave out the <br /> and the <b></b> and the initial <p> 15:23 owen Instead, wrap those titles in a div, and style the div to match what you want. So maybe div.title { font-weight : bold; margin-bottom : 10px; } . something like that. 15:20 kados I'll just change them to <br /><br /> hehe 15:20 kados well those <p>s are generated on the fly by a blosxom plugin 15:20 kados but it's not open cause mj hasn't released the repo (that I know of) 15:19 kados you can download it from sourceforge 15:19 owen Something in the template, maybe? 15:19 kados should be 15:19 kados must be a blox bug 15:19 tim Is there a 2.0.1 stable release yet? 15:18 kados hmmm 15:18 owen I see the problem: At line 356 (according the the validator output), you open a paragraph tag, and then open another one at line 359. You can't nest them. 15:15 kados <td valign="top"> 15:15 kados <tr> 15:14 owen What's the <p> nested inside of? (Can't look, helping a patron) 15:14 kados <p> 15:13 kados Line 355, column 2: document type does not allow element "p" here; missing one of "object", "applet", "map", "iframe", "button", "ins", "del" start-tag 15:12 kados yea ... what do you make of the xhtml errors? 15:11 owen But it looks like that's working correctly, judging from the source 15:11 owen <p> has to be closed with </p> It's a wrapper. 15:10 kados I can't figure out what the problem is with these <p> ... or does xhtml use <p /> ? 15:10 kados cool 15:08 owen re-subscribing to your feed just now looked like it worked--the latest stuff is showing up in Bloglines 15:05 kados but it's messing things up at the moment ... 15:05 kados so I don't need to specify any wrappers for br and p 15:04 kados it basically takes a plain text file and puts html wrappers around it 15:04 kados called blox 15:04 kados actually it's not blosxom that's screwing things up it's actually one of the plugins 15:04 kados yea I really like it 15:02 tim I looked into that. It's cool blog software. 13:06 kados if not can you give me the exact error and I'll try to track it down ... 12:52 kados hey owen