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11:16 emiliano regards
11:16 paul bye
11:15 emiliano great
11:15 paul that's the beauty of free software
11:15 paul ok, i'll do. And maybe i'll modify the CVS myself ;-)
11:15 emiliano the ideas
11:15 emiliano ups
11:15 paul ok, unless you have something to add, i'll leave to be with my family.
11:15 emiliano for making more generic
11:15 emiliano what do you see
11:15 emiliano if you have a bit of time could you tell me by mail
11:14 paul to help coders being better
11:14 emiliano ok
11:14 paul that's the release manager role too.
11:14 paul and it would be bad/poor
11:14 emiliano ok
11:14 paul yes, but if I do this for MY library, i may ignore this.
11:13 emiliano yes
11:13 emiliano but could be configured from Syspar actually
11:13 paul and modify the code accordingly
11:13 paul so => need a systemparameter to set ON/OFF
11:13 paul but some libraries don't want to get suggestions from the borrowers.
11:13 paul it's written, OK.
11:13 paul for example => the "suggestion" module.
11:12 emiliano great for us
11:12 paul but maybe some modifs to improve versatility will be done
11:12 emiliano ok
11:12 paul i didn't saw anything that could not be included for instance.
11:12 emiliano must be included in official version or not
11:11 emiliano this "ideas" are implemented, we wish to know if
11:11 emiliano but there is a little difference
11:11 paul then you compile ideas to a roadmap on your site.
11:11 paul in this case, the best place is the wiki, to get a lot of ideas from a lot of people.
11:10 paul maybe we could speak of a "brainstorming".
11:10 paul will become a roadmap later.
11:10 emiliano could be features to potentially add
11:10 paul you're right. not yet.
11:10 emiliano that is not a Roadmap
11:10 emiliano paul: I'm looking for a title for that "Roadmap"
11:09 emiliano yes
11:09 paul volunteer => not yet
11:09 paul possible idea => not sure
11:09 paul good idea => yes.
11:09 paul for example, i've ideas to integrate a synonym dictionnary in Koha
11:08 emiliano I agree
11:08 paul and on the left things that are for later
11:08 emiliano is that they give the idea of closed
11:08 paul the release manager role is to put on the right what is a good idea, a possible idea, and has a volunteer
11:08 emiliano perhaps the problem as we shown the features
11:07 paul (mmm... no, my customers have some ;-) )
11:07 emiliano jajaaja, excelent!
11:07 paul i already have some ;-)
11:07 paul and i'm sure there are dozens of other ideas that will appear.
11:07 emiliano great!
11:07 paul consider i'll do many tests for france ;-)
11:07 emiliano yes, no problem I think
11:06 paul and remember also that your features must be MARC21 / UNIMARC / other compatible.
11:06 emiliano to test if there is interest on its
11:06 paul good idea (to divide)
11:06 paul that's too much. I'll do just 1-2 for 2.2
11:06 emiliano we could divide in features that are in test/production locally
11:06 paul for 2.0, there was 7 versions before official 2.0.0 release
11:05 paul that's why it's a "long" process.
11:05 paul delivering a public version means a lot of packaging & testing
11:05 emiliano you're right
11:05 paul (intestest => wishes)
11:05 paul don't think just your case. Think community interest.
11:04 emiliano we could deliver now
11:04 emiliano the things that are done if there is interest
11:04 paul if it's far enough, then we could add other features.
11:04 emiliano ah ok
11:04 paul WHEN do you plan to release 2.4 ?
11:04 emiliano but we want know
11:04 paul ok, but go a little bit further.
11:04 emiliano because of this we include screenshots
11:03 paul not to "dream" ?
11:03 emiliano most part of the things are done
11:03 emiliano not!
11:03 paul or you consider that we are still dreaming and say "what would be nice in 2.4" ?
11:03 paul either you consider yourself as release manager. In this case, you say "will contain this, because i'll do it", and we add other features from ppl saying "ok, i'll do this myself"
11:02 emiliano as an imposition
11:02 paul in fact, there are 2 solutions :
11:02 emiliano it'll be discussed next week and now sounds
11:02 paul mmm... as you want.
11:01 emiliano dont you think?
11:01 emiliano perhaps is better to tell Koha 2.4 proposal for Roadmap
11:01 emiliano well paul, perhaps we could nt tell Koha 2.4 Roadmap
11:00 paul ;-)
11:00 emiliano jajajaja
11:00 paul in fact, they tell me they installed MacAfee. But in fact, they just installed a small MacAfee soft that cleans Netsky !
10:59 emiliano what a headeache
10:59 paul so they were infected...
10:59 paul they didn't
10:59 paul telling they MUST install anti-virus on the 40 windows computers.
10:59 paul (i installed a firewall/mail server/web access 7 months ago
10:58 emiliano ooohhh
10:58 paul (a customer had problems with virus...)
10:58 emiliano don't worry
10:58 emiliano ups
10:58 paul no, i was out
10:58 emiliano could you read our proposal Paul?
10:57 emiliano yes!
10:57 emiliano jajajaja
10:57 paul you had a good night ?
10:57 paul g' morning emiliano
03:01 emiliano bye
03:01 emiliano ok, perhaps could be more generic and so on
03:01 paul good night
03:01 paul ok.
03:01 emiliano yes
03:01 paul your roadmap ?
03:01 paul think of what ?
03:00 emiliano I have to leave Paul, pls tell me what you think by email
02:57 emiliano where?
02:57 emiliano jajajaj, could be
02:57 paul i don't understand what you mean
02:55 emiliano add some OPAC features
02:55 emiliano I have forgotten to add in the last screen that should
02:54 emiliano send me an email
02:54 emiliano should but...
02:54 paul lol
02:54 paul your night is ended ?
02:54 emiliano ups
02:47 paul (altough a little bit slow)
02:47 paul ok, the address & login works fine
02:47 paul 10AM
02:46 emiliano what time is it in France?
02:46 paul good night
02:46 emiliano I'm going to sleep!!!!
02:45 emiliano ok
02:45 paul i'll check today
02:45 emiliano quick ;-)
02:45 paul ok, recieved.
02:45 emiliano pls tell me if it was received
02:44 emiliano has gone...the email
02:41 emiliano of course
02:41 paul ;-)
02:41 paul you must be here
02:41 emiliano finish it before 20
02:41 emiliano I was trying to
02:40 emiliano yep
02:40 paul do you see the IRC meeting ?
02:40 emiliano ok
02:40 paul please.
02:40 emiliano have assigned login pswd to modify contents also
02:40 emiliano send you the URL by mail?
02:40 emiliano a 2.4 roadmap
02:40 emiliano I've "finished"
02:39 paul hi emiliano
02:39 paul yep
02:39 emiliano paul are you here?
02:39 emiliano Hi everybody
02:08 paul good evening chris
02:06 chris morning paul
22:31 kados great article chris
17:11 chris http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,64945,00.html
17:06 kados np :)
17:04 chris thanks for that email to the list joshua
17:01 chris heh
17:01 ToyKeeper Wow. Politicians there must not be the pox-infested slime buckets that I'm used to around here... I wouldn't want one anywhere near my kids, if I had any.
16:59 chris :-)
16:59 chris its been a long time since we have had a meeting, there are quite a few new developers
16:58 chris and itd be time for a round of intro again i reckon
16:58 chris i think itd be a biggish discussion .. so last on the agenda might be good :-) be good to talk about roles etc first
16:57 ToyKeeper I don't have much experience with arch, but it does seem like a big improvement over cvs.
16:57 chris my thing is .. sourceforge for all its faults .. mostly does what we want
16:56 ToyKeeper svn is pretty nice too, and has good windows clients.
16:56 chris (current stable)
16:56 chris for the 2.0.x branch
16:55 chris we are trialing it
16:55 ToyKeeper Does koha use arch?
16:54 chris i think so owen
16:54 chris its much more fun breaking stuff in the development branch
16:54 owen I wonder if the whole arch vs. cvs issue should be discussed?
16:54 chris yep
16:54 ToyKeeper Hard and usually no fun.
16:54 chris more power to him, maintaining the stable release is hard work :)
16:52 chris yep
16:52 kados paul wan't the argentinians to be the 2.4 release managers and he want's to maintaine 2.2 last I heard
16:52 ToyKeeper I was happy I finally knew what one of the words meant. :)
16:52 chris heh? really
16:52 ToyKeeper The word "katipo" came up in balderdash last week during game night...
16:50 chris thats what we are missing i think .. that overall leadership
16:50 owen Yes
16:50 chris i think the kaitiaki role will come up at the meeting
16:50 owen Sure.
16:50 chris so he will have the say whats in or out of the release
16:49 chris hes the release manager
16:49 chris im not sure
16:49 owen Under Paul, though right?
16:49 chris but yep its mostly paul .. the argentinians are doing some work for 2.4
16:48 chris ahh there are other french developers working on it
16:48 chris yep it'll be good to catch up
16:48 owen I'm grateful that work is getting done, but I'd prefer to see more than one person doing it!
16:48 owen I'm looking forward to the IRC meeting. It's hard to tell these days what's going on on the development front. Paul seems to be dominating all the new work.
16:47 chris there is a lot of interest in koha at the moment, so we'd like to generate that into some work
16:46 chris rachel and russel are talking with lots of libraries around the place, and we have done lots of installs for people to evaluate .. hopefully it will lead to some live installations and development work
16:45 chris i hope so
16:44 owen chris, it sounds like you've been doing a lot of Koha installs recently. Will any of that lead to any Koha development work, do you think?
16:41 chris ahh right
16:40 ToyKeeper If I lived about an hour south (Denver), it'd be much easier to find work... but where I'm at now just isn't big enough to support the amount of open-source geeks living here.
16:40 chris colorado is the same size as nz (if u squish nz up)
16:40 chris at different times
16:39 chris both rach and I have been there
16:39 owen Right in the middle, and...over to the left a bit ;)
16:39 ToyKeeper A few hours north of that.
16:39 chris near grand junction?
16:39 chris ohh
16:39 ToyKeeper Right in the middle of the US... Colorado.
16:38 owen Where are you located, ToyKeeper?
16:37 ToyKeeper Oh, heh. I need to get enough money to fix up some things before selling it. Not much, but it's been difficult to get any income at all around here.
16:37 chris so thats the trick, a nice employer who is willing to help out with the visa
16:36 owen That's cool.
16:36 chris laurels employers wrote a nice letter say how she is perfect for the job, they couldnt find anyone else .. and how they wanted someone who had studied overseas ... which if you have the immmigration dept is pretty happy
16:35 owen Depending on how much one owes on one's house, a sale might not bring in much money!
16:34 ToyKeeper I'm hoping to save up enough to be able to sell my house and move in the next year or two.
16:33 chris yep owen, she can vote here, and in the us elections
16:33 chris but once she got that, residence was pretty easy
16:33 chris getting her work visa was a bit tricky, but thats cos ur not supposed to get it when ur already in nz
16:33 owen Can she vote by absentee ballot here? :)
16:32 chris laurel has permanent residence now
16:32 chris and depends on which country ur coming from too
16:32 ToyKeeper I heard it was easier for IT people and doctors to get visas... but otherwise pretty difficult.
16:32 chris on how nice ur employer is
16:31 chris depends
16:31 owen Someone told me it was really tough to get a visa
16:31 owen I wonder if that includes web designers
16:30 chris yep, just thinking it would be easyish to get a job :)
16:30 ToyKeeper That's not why I'm interested, though. :) It just seems like a much nicer place to live.
16:30 chris http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3591165&thesection=technology&thesubsection=comment
16:29 chris over here
16:29 chris shortage of IT workers they reckon
16:29 ToyKeeper I've been wanting to move to NZ for several years now...
16:28 chris well, one good thing, the nz$ is much stronger against the us$ now than it was 4 years ago, makes our wedding cheaper ... (looking for a silver lining :-))
16:23 ToyKeeper I feel like I'm living in late 1930's germany.
16:22 ToyKeeper Yeah, that sounds like a good thing... it would hopefully avoid things like the past 4 years of US gov't.
16:21 chris seems to work quite well, makes for coalition governments .. which doesnt allow any one agenda to run roughshod over the others
16:20 chris thats how the greens got 5 seats, because they got 6% of the total vote .. but didnt actually win in any electorate
16:19 chris 1 for ur local representative, and 1 for a party
16:19 chris u get 2 votes
16:19 chris MMP = mixed member proportional .. for the general elections
16:19 chris thats how we vote for our mayor and councillors
16:18 chris ahh thats STV (well what they call it here)
16:18 ToyKeeper You just rank all the candidates in order, and may place more than one at the same rank if you have no preference between them.
16:17 ToyKeeper It's pretty simple from the voter's point of view, but has good properties.
16:17 ToyKeeper http://seehuhn.de/comp/vote.html
16:17 ToyKeeper Er, rather, I like the concorde system. :)
16:17 chris id like if they picked a system .. and stuck with it :-) MMP i like
16:16 chris for the wellington city council, its STV, and the wellington regional council its FPP
16:15 ToyKeeper I don't even care which multiple-vote system is used... I prefer condorcet, but approval is good too, as are others.
16:15 chris then for the local govt elections, there are about 4 systems in use
16:15 owen yeah, fixed like a broken clock, rather than fixed like a Vegas slot machine.
16:15 chris for the general elections (ie parliament) we use MMP
16:15 ToyKeeper If there were a multiple-vote system in place, I suspect the 3rd-party candidates would suddenly start winning.
16:15 chris dont get as confusing as nz toykeeper
16:14 ToyKeeper The voting system in the US really needs to be fixed.
16:14 chris somehow i doubt it :-)
16:14 owen Are there really 19 bored websurfers in Vatican City who are voting on this thing? :)
16:12 owen Well, Kerry gets another vote from me on behalf of the Czech Republic!
16:11 chris heh
16:11 owen I see Bush is doing very well in Liechtenstein
16:11 chris no .. not in ths slightest
16:11 owen Not very scientific, though, is it? :)
16:10 chris New Zealand 134 1477 8 % 91 %
16:10 ToyKeeper And that his friends are the ones who make the voting machines. :(
16:10 ToyKeeper ... yeah.
16:10 kados well it's hard to be optimistic when one remembers that bush actually lost last time
16:10 ToyKeeper I doubt that kerry is anywhere close to ideal, but it would be hard to be as bad.
16:10 chris pretty much the rest of the world hopes you do :-)
16:09 chris seen this ? http://betavote.com/
16:09 kados hehe
16:09 ToyKeeper Hopefully *someone* will get rid of bush...
16:09 kados but I'm doubtful we'll beat bush
16:09 chris ohh right
16:09 kados so hopefully he'll be vice-prez
16:08 kados well actually it's Kerry/Edwards ... he's the fall guy
16:08 chris edwards was going for the democrat nomination eh?
16:07 chris ahh right
16:06 kados there's a rally tonight in athens featuring Edwards
16:06 kados but voting out bush for starters
16:06 kados we're discussing abolishing the nation state
16:05 kados our political discussion spilled over into #koha
16:05 kados hehe
16:05 chris u do?
16:05 kados we'd need to hire some contractors to maintain the interstates, etc...
15:57 kados morning chris
15:55 chris heya
15:55 owen hi chris
15:51 chris ata marie
15:48 owen That'd be fun!
15:48 kados well you can always pick on some of the state-wide sites OPLIN/OVAL/State library
15:47 kados hehe
15:47 owen Now if only I could finish that darn web standards speech...
15:46 kados yay! validated now ... thanks owen
15:32 owen You have to use escaped entities for < and >: < and >
15:29 kados I'd like to preserve the command for future generations :-)
15:28 kados is there some tag I can use to say 'ignore this next bit'
15:28 kados # ipcs -s | grep apache | perl -e 'while (<STDIN>) {<br />
15:28 kados Line 370, column 49: element "STDIN" undefined
15:27 kados ok it's almost valid ... one problem left
15:25 kados blox handles all the tags for the actual blog
15:23 owen Then you can leave out the <br /> and the <b></b> and the initial <p>
15:23 owen Instead, wrap those titles in a div, and style the div to match what you want. So maybe div.title { font-weight : bold; margin-bottom : 10px; } . something like that.
15:20 kados I'll just change them to <br /><br /> hehe
15:20 kados well those <p>s are generated on the fly by a blosxom plugin
15:20 kados but it's not open cause mj hasn't released the repo (that I know of)
15:19 kados you can download it from sourceforge
15:19 owen Something in the template, maybe?
15:19 kados should be
15:19 kados must be a blox bug
15:19 tim Is there a 2.0.1 stable release yet?
15:18 kados hmmm
15:18 owen I see the problem: At line 356 (according the the validator output), you open a paragraph tag, and then open another one at line 359. You can't nest them.
15:15 kados <td valign="top">
15:15 kados <tr>
15:14 owen What's the <p> nested inside of? (Can't look, helping a patron)
15:14 kados <p>
15:13 kados Line 355, column 2: document type does not allow element "p" here; missing one of "object", "applet", "map", "iframe", "button", "ins", "del" start-tag
15:12 kados yea ... what do you make of the xhtml errors?
15:11 owen But it looks like that's working correctly, judging from the source
15:11 owen <p> has to be closed with </p> It's a wrapper.
15:10 kados I can't figure out what the problem is with these <p> ... or does xhtml use <p /> ?
15:10 kados cool
15:08 owen re-subscribing to your feed just now looked like it worked--the latest stuff is showing up in Bloglines
15:05 kados but it's messing things up at the moment ...
15:05 kados so I don't need to specify any wrappers for br and p
15:04 kados it basically takes a plain text file and puts html wrappers around it
15:04 kados called blox
15:04 kados actually it's not blosxom that's screwing things up it's actually one of the plugins
15:04 kados yea I really like it
15:02 tim I looked into that. It's cool blog software.
13:06 kados if not can you give me the exact error and I'll try to track it down ...
12:52 kados hey owen