Time  Nick      Message
11:16 emiliano  regards
11:16 paul      bye
11:15 emiliano  great
11:15 paul      that's the beauty of free software
11:15 paul      ok, i'll do. And maybe i'll modify the CVS myself ;-)
11:15 emiliano  the ideas
11:15 emiliano  ups
11:15 paul      ok, unless you have something to add, i'll leave to be with my family.
11:15 emiliano  for making more generic
11:15 emiliano  what do you see
11:15 emiliano  if you have a bit of time could you tell me by mail
11:14 paul      to help coders being better
11:14 emiliano  ok
11:14 paul      that's the release manager role too.
11:14 paul      and it would be bad/poor
11:14 emiliano  ok
11:14 paul      yes, but if I do this for MY library, i may ignore this.
11:13 emiliano  yes
11:13 emiliano  but could be configured from Syspar actually
11:13 paul      and modify the code accordingly
11:13 paul      so => need a systemparameter to set ON/OFF
11:13 paul      but some libraries don't want to get suggestions from the borrowers.
11:13 paul      it's written, OK.
11:13 paul      for example => the "suggestion" module.
11:12 emiliano  great for us
11:12 paul      but maybe some modifs to improve versatility will be done
11:12 emiliano  ok
11:12 paul      i didn't saw anything that could not be included for instance.
11:12 emiliano  must be included in official version or not
11:11 emiliano  this "ideas" are implemented, we wish to know if
11:11 emiliano  but there is a little difference
11:11 paul      then you compile ideas to a roadmap on your site.
11:11 paul      in this case, the best place is the wiki, to get a lot of ideas from a lot of people.
11:10 paul      maybe we could speak of a "brainstorming".
11:10 paul      will become a roadmap later.
11:10 emiliano  could be features to potentially add
11:10 paul      you're right. not yet.
11:10 emiliano  that is not a Roadmap
11:10 emiliano  paul: I'm looking for a title for that "Roadmap"
11:09 emiliano  yes
11:09 paul      volunteer => not yet
11:09 paul      possible idea => not sure
11:09 paul      good idea => yes.
11:09 paul      for example, i've ideas to integrate a synonym dictionnary in Koha
11:08 emiliano  I agree
11:08 paul      and on the left things that are for later
11:08 emiliano  is that they give the idea of closed
11:08 paul      the release manager role is to put on the right what is a good idea, a possible idea, and has a volunteer
11:08 emiliano  perhaps the problem as we shown the features
11:07 paul      (mmm... no, my customers have some ;-) )
11:07 emiliano  jajaaja, excelent!
11:07 paul      i already have some ;-)
11:07 paul      and i'm sure there are dozens of other ideas that will appear.
11:07 emiliano  great!
11:07 paul      consider i'll do many tests for france ;-)
11:07 emiliano  yes, no problem I think
11:06 paul      and remember also that your features must be MARC21 / UNIMARC / other compatible.
11:06 emiliano  to test if there is interest on its
11:06 paul      good idea (to divide)
11:06 paul      that's too much. I'll do just 1-2 for 2.2
11:06 emiliano  we could divide in features that are in test/production locally
11:06 paul      for 2.0, there was 7 versions before official 2.0.0 release
11:05 paul      that's why it's a "long" process.
11:05 paul      delivering a public version means a lot of packaging & testing
11:05 emiliano  you're right
11:05 paul      (intestest => wishes)
11:05 paul      don't think just your case. Think community interest.
11:04 emiliano  we could deliver now
11:04 emiliano  the things that are done if there is interest
11:04 paul      if it's far enough, then we could add other features.
11:04 emiliano  ah ok
11:04 paul      WHEN do you plan to release 2.4 ?
11:04 emiliano  but we want know
11:04 paul      ok, but go a little bit further.
11:04 emiliano  because of this we include screenshots
11:03 paul      not to "dream" ?
11:03 emiliano  most part of the things are done
11:03 emiliano  not!
11:03 paul      or you consider that we are still dreaming and say "what would be nice in 2.4" ?
11:03 paul      either you consider yourself as release manager. In this case, you say "will contain this, because i'll do it", and we add other features from ppl saying "ok, i'll do this myself"
11:02 emiliano  as an imposition
11:02 paul      in fact, there are 2 solutions :
11:02 emiliano  it'll be discussed next week and now sounds
11:02 paul      mmm... as you want.
11:01 emiliano  dont you think?
11:01 emiliano  perhaps is better to tell Koha 2.4 proposal for Roadmap
11:01 emiliano  well paul, perhaps we could nt tell Koha 2.4 Roadmap
11:00 paul      ;-)
11:00 emiliano  jajajaja
11:00 paul      in fact, they tell me they installed MacAfee. But in fact, they just installed a small MacAfee soft that cleans Netsky !
10:59 emiliano  what a headeache
10:59 paul      so they were infected...
10:59 paul      they didn't
10:59 paul      telling they MUST install anti-virus on the 40 windows computers.
10:59 paul      (i installed a firewall/mail server/web access 7 months ago
10:58 emiliano  ooohhh
10:58 paul      (a customer had problems with virus...)
10:58 emiliano  don't worry
10:58 emiliano  ups
10:58 paul      no, i was out
10:58 emiliano  could you read our proposal Paul?
10:57 emiliano  yes!
10:57 emiliano  jajajaja
10:57 paul      you had a good night ?
10:57 paul      g' morning emiliano
03:01 emiliano  bye
03:01 emiliano  ok, perhaps could be more generic and so on
03:01 paul      good night
03:01 paul      ok.
03:01 emiliano  yes
03:01 paul      your roadmap ?
03:01 paul      think of what ?
03:00 emiliano  I have to leave Paul, pls tell me what you think by email
02:57 emiliano  where?
02:57 emiliano  jajajaj, could be
02:57 paul      i don't understand what you mean
02:55 emiliano  add some OPAC features
02:55 emiliano  I have forgotten to add in the last screen that should
02:54 emiliano  send me an email
02:54 emiliano  should but...
02:54 paul      lol
02:54 paul      your night is ended ?
02:54 emiliano  ups
02:47 paul      (altough a little bit slow)
02:47 paul      ok, the address & login works fine
02:47 paul      10AM
02:46 emiliano  what time is it in France?
02:46 paul      good night
02:46 emiliano  I'm going to sleep!!!!
02:45 emiliano  ok
02:45 paul      i'll check today
02:45 emiliano  quick ;-)
02:45 paul      ok, recieved.
02:45 emiliano  pls tell me if it was received
02:44 emiliano  has gone...the email
02:41 emiliano  of course
02:41 paul      ;-)
02:41 paul      you must be here
02:41 emiliano  finish it before 20
02:41 emiliano  I was trying to
02:40 emiliano  yep
02:40 paul      do you see the IRC meeting ?
02:40 emiliano  ok
02:40 paul      please.
02:40 emiliano  have assigned login pswd to modify contents also
02:40 emiliano  send you the URL by mail?
02:40 emiliano  a 2.4 roadmap
02:40 emiliano  I've "finished"
02:39 paul      hi emiliano
02:39 paul      yep
02:39 emiliano  paul are you here?
02:39 emiliano  Hi everybody
02:08 paul      good evening chris
02:06 chris     morning paul
22:31 kados     great article chris
17:11 chris     http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,64945,00.html
17:06 kados     np :)
17:04 chris     thanks for that email to the list joshua
17:01 chris     heh
17:01 ToyKeeper Wow.  Politicians there must not be the pox-infested slime buckets that I'm used to around here...  I wouldn't want one anywhere near my kids, if I had any.
16:59 chris     :-)
16:59 chris     its been a long time since we have had a meeting, there are quite a few new developers
16:58 chris     and itd be time for a round of intro again i reckon
16:58 chris     i think itd be a biggish discussion .. so last on the agenda might be good :-) be good to talk about roles etc first
16:57 ToyKeeper I don't have much experience with arch, but it does seem like a big improvement over cvs.
16:57 chris     my thing is .. sourceforge for all its faults .. mostly does what we want
16:56 ToyKeeper svn is pretty nice too, and has good windows clients.
16:56 chris     (current stable)
16:56 chris     for the 2.0.x branch
16:55 chris     we are trialing it
16:55 ToyKeeper Does koha use arch?
16:54 chris     i think so owen
16:54 chris     its much more fun breaking stuff in the development branch
16:54 owen      I wonder if the whole arch vs. cvs issue should be discussed?
16:54 chris     yep
16:54 ToyKeeper Hard and usually no fun.
16:54 chris     more power to him, maintaining the stable release is hard work :)
16:52 chris     yep
16:52 kados     paul wan't the argentinians to be the 2.4 release managers and he want's to maintaine 2.2 last I heard
16:52 ToyKeeper I was happy I finally knew what one of the words meant.  :)
16:52 chris     heh? really
16:52 ToyKeeper The word "katipo" came up in balderdash last week during game night...
16:50 chris     thats what we are missing i think .. that overall leadership
16:50 owen      Yes
16:50 chris     i think the kaitiaki role will come up at the meeting
16:50 owen      Sure.
16:50 chris     so he will have the say whats in or out of the release
16:49 chris     hes the release manager
16:49 chris     im not sure
16:49 owen      Under Paul, though right?
16:49 chris     but yep its mostly paul .. the argentinians are doing some work for 2.4
16:48 chris     ahh there are other french developers working on it
16:48 chris     yep it'll be good to catch up
16:48 owen      I'm grateful that work is getting done, but I'd prefer to see more than one person doing it!
16:48 owen      I'm looking forward to the IRC meeting.  It's hard to tell these days what's going on on the development front.  Paul seems to be dominating all the new work.
16:47 chris     there is a lot of interest in koha at the moment, so we'd like to generate that into some work
16:46 chris     rachel and russel are talking with lots of libraries around the place, and we have done lots of installs for people to evaluate .. hopefully it will lead to some live installations and development work
16:45 chris     i hope so
16:44 owen      chris, it sounds like you've been doing a lot of Koha installs recently.  Will any of that lead to any Koha development work, do you think?
16:41 chris     ahh right
16:40 ToyKeeper If I lived about an hour south (Denver), it'd be much easier to find work...  but where I'm at now just isn't big enough to support the amount of open-source geeks living here.
16:40 chris     colorado is the same size as nz (if u squish nz up)
16:40 chris     at different times
16:39 chris     both rach and I have been there
16:39 owen      Right in the middle, and...over to the left a bit ;)
16:39 ToyKeeper A few hours north of that.
16:39 chris     near grand junction?
16:39 chris     ohh
16:39 ToyKeeper Right in the middle of the US...  Colorado.
16:38 owen      Where are you located, ToyKeeper?
16:37 ToyKeeper Oh, heh.  I need to get enough money to fix up some things before selling it.  Not much, but it's been difficult to get any income at all around here.
16:37 chris     so thats the trick, a nice employer who is willing to help out with the visa
16:36 owen      That's cool.
16:36 chris     laurels employers wrote a nice letter say how she is perfect for the job, they couldnt find anyone else .. and how they wanted someone who had studied overseas ... which if you have the immmigration dept is pretty happy
16:35 owen      Depending on how much one owes on one's house, a sale might not bring in much money!
16:34 ToyKeeper I'm hoping to save up enough to be able to sell my house and move in the next year or two.
16:33 chris     yep owen, she can vote here, and in the us elections
16:33 chris     but once she got that, residence was pretty easy
16:33 chris     getting her work visa was a bit tricky, but thats cos ur not supposed to get it when ur already in nz
16:33 owen      Can she vote by absentee ballot here? :)
16:32 chris     laurel has permanent residence now
16:32 chris     and depends on which country ur coming from too
16:32 ToyKeeper I heard it was easier for IT people and doctors to get visas...  but otherwise pretty difficult.
16:32 chris     on how nice ur employer is
16:31 chris     depends
16:31 owen      Someone told me it was really tough to get a visa
16:31 owen      I wonder if that includes web designers
16:30 chris     yep, just thinking it would be easyish to get a job :)
16:30 ToyKeeper That's not why I'm interested, though.  :)  It just seems like a much nicer place to live.
16:30 chris     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3591165&thesection=technology&thesubsection=comment
16:29 chris     over here
16:29 chris     shortage of IT workers they reckon
16:29 ToyKeeper I've been wanting to move to NZ for several years now...
16:28 chris     well, one good thing, the nz$ is much stronger against the us$ now than it was 4 years ago, makes our wedding cheaper ... (looking for a silver lining :-))
16:23 ToyKeeper I feel like I'm living in late 1930's germany.
16:22 ToyKeeper Yeah, that sounds like a good thing...  it would hopefully avoid things like the past 4 years of US gov't.
16:21 chris     seems to work quite well, makes for coalition governments .. which doesnt allow any one agenda to run roughshod over the others
16:20 chris     thats how the greens got 5 seats, because they got 6% of the total vote .. but didnt actually win in any electorate
16:19 chris     1 for ur local representative, and 1 for a party
16:19 chris     u get 2 votes
16:19 chris     MMP = mixed member proportional .. for the general elections
16:19 chris     thats how we vote for our mayor and councillors
16:18 chris     ahh thats STV (well what they call it here)
16:18 ToyKeeper You just rank all the candidates in order, and may place more than one at the same rank if you have no preference between them.
16:17 ToyKeeper It's pretty simple from the voter's point of view, but has good properties.
16:17 ToyKeeper http://seehuhn.de/comp/vote.html
16:17 ToyKeeper Er, rather, I like the concorde system.  :)
16:17 chris     id like if they picked a system .. and stuck with it :-) MMP i like
16:16 chris     for the wellington city council, its STV, and the wellington regional council its FPP
16:15 ToyKeeper I don't even care which multiple-vote system is used...  I prefer condorcet, but approval is good too, as are others.
16:15 chris     then for the local govt elections, there are about 4 systems in use
16:15 owen      yeah, fixed like a broken clock, rather than fixed like a Vegas slot machine.
16:15 chris     for the general elections (ie parliament) we use MMP
16:15 ToyKeeper If there were a multiple-vote system in place, I suspect the 3rd-party candidates would suddenly start winning.
16:15 chris     dont get as confusing as nz toykeeper
16:14 ToyKeeper The voting system in the US really needs to be fixed.
16:14 chris     somehow i doubt it :-)
16:14 owen      Are there really 19 bored websurfers in Vatican City who are voting on this thing? :)
16:12 owen      Well, Kerry gets another vote from me on behalf of the Czech Republic!
16:11 chris     heh
16:11 owen      I see Bush is doing very well in Liechtenstein
16:11 chris     no .. not in ths slightest
16:11 owen      Not very scientific, though, is it? :)
16:10 chris     New Zealand  134  1477  8 %  91 %
16:10 ToyKeeper And that his friends are the ones who make the voting machines.  :(
16:10 ToyKeeper ... yeah.
16:10 kados     well it's hard to be optimistic when one remembers that bush actually lost last time
16:10 ToyKeeper I doubt that kerry is anywhere close to ideal, but it would be hard to be as bad.
16:10 chris     pretty much the rest of the world hopes you do :-)
16:09 chris     seen this ? http://betavote.com/
16:09 kados     hehe
16:09 ToyKeeper Hopefully *someone* will get rid of bush...
16:09 kados     but I'm doubtful we'll beat bush
16:09 chris     ohh right
16:09 kados     so hopefully he'll be vice-prez
16:08 kados     well actually it's Kerry/Edwards ... he's the fall guy
16:08 chris     edwards was going for the democrat nomination eh?
16:07 chris     ahh right
16:06 kados     there's a rally tonight in athens featuring Edwards
16:06 kados     but voting out bush for starters
16:06 kados     we're discussing abolishing the nation state
16:05 kados     our political discussion spilled over into #koha
16:05 kados     hehe
16:05 chris     u do?
16:05 kados     we'd need to hire some contractors to maintain the interstates, etc...
15:57 kados     morning chris
15:55 chris     heya
15:55 owen      hi chris
15:51 chris     ata marie
15:48 owen      That'd be fun!
15:48 kados     well you can always pick on some of the state-wide sites OPLIN/OVAL/State library
15:47 kados     hehe
15:47 owen      Now if only I could finish that darn web standards speech...
15:46 kados     yay! validated now ... thanks owen
15:32 owen      You have to use escaped entities for < and >:  &lt; and &gt;
15:29 kados     I'd like to preserve the command for future generations :-)
15:28 kados     is there some tag I can use to say 'ignore this next bit'
15:28 kados     # ipcs -s | grep apache | perl -e 'while (<STDIN>) {<br />
15:28 kados     Line 370, column 49: element "STDIN" undefined
15:27 kados     ok it's almost valid ... one problem left
15:25 kados     blox handles all the tags for the actual blog
15:23 owen      Then you can leave out the <br /> and the <b></b> and the initial <p>
15:23 owen      Instead, wrap those titles in a div, and style the div to match what you want.  So maybe div.title { font-weight : bold; margin-bottom : 10px; } . something like that.
15:20 kados     I'll just change them to <br /><br /> hehe
15:20 kados     well those <p>s are generated on the fly by a blosxom plugin
15:20 kados     but it's not open cause mj hasn't released the repo (that I know of)
15:19 kados     you can download it from sourceforge
15:19 owen      Something in the template, maybe?
15:19 kados     should be
15:19 kados     must be a blox bug
15:19 tim       Is there a 2.0.1 stable release yet?
15:18 kados     hmmm
15:18 owen      I see the problem: At line 356 (according the the validator output), you open a paragraph tag, and then open another one at line 359.  You can't nest them.
15:15 kados                             <td valign="top">
15:15 kados     <tr>
15:14 owen      What's the <p> nested inside of?  (Can't look, helping a patron)
15:14 kados     <p>
15:13 kados     Line 355, column 2: document type does not allow element "p" here; missing one of "object", "applet", "map", "iframe", "button", "ins", "del" start-tag
15:12 kados     yea ... what do you make of the xhtml errors?
15:11 owen      But it looks like that's working correctly, judging from the source
15:11 owen      <p> has to be closed with </p>  It's a wrapper.
15:10 kados     I can't figure out what the problem is with these <p> ... or does xhtml use <p /> ?
15:10 kados     cool
15:08 owen      re-subscribing to your feed just now looked like it worked--the latest stuff is showing up in Bloglines
15:05 kados     but it's messing things up at the moment ...
15:05 kados     so I don't need to specify any wrappers for br and p
15:04 kados     it basically takes a plain text file and puts html wrappers around it
15:04 kados     called blox
15:04 kados     actually it's not blosxom that's screwing things up it's actually one of the plugins
15:04 kados     yea I really like it
15:02 tim       I looked into that.  It's cool blog software.
13:06 kados     if not can you give me the exact error and I'll try to track it down ...
12:52 kados     hey owen