Time Nick Message 12:00 paul (& maybe i'll run to 2.4 if i get a customer that want a lot of new features. but Koha is really a complete tool) 12:00 paul (oups, it's 7PM in france...) 12:00 paul i must leave for dinner 12:00 paul (my wife arrives) 12:00 kados take care paul 14:01 JYL57 Hy everybody ! 14:02 JYL57 I'm looking for some advice about two points : 1) our barcode device 2) the breeding farm import functionnality 14:03 JYL57 Ok I'm starting with my first topic, the barcode 14:03 JYL57 the model we've got comes from Taïwan 14:04 JYL57 I've configured it to read ISBN codes and I do get the right digits 14:04 JYL57 But for an unknown reason we don't get the hyphens 14:05 JYL57 Did someone already experience such a problem ? 14:05 JYL57 I've neglected these hyphen at first, but it becomes a potential problem now 14:16 paul_away bonsoir jean yves 14:16 paul_away (JYL57) 14:17 JYL57 Salut Paul 14:17 paul puor les - dans les codes barres, je crois que c'est habituel 14:17 JYL57 As-tu reçu mon message de milieu de semaine ?! 14:17 paul en tous cas, tous les lecteurs que j'ai utilisé/vus font ca 14:17 paul mmm... fouille ses mails 14:18 paul oui, je l'ai, mais je ne l'ai aps encore traité 14:18 paul (absent toute la semaine dernière) 14:18 JYL57 "font ça quoi ?!" ils prennent en compte les tirets ou pas ?! 14:18 paul ils les éliminent 14:18 JYL57 Pour mon mail = pas d'urgence ! 14:18 paul et donc ils n'y sont pas 14:19 JYL57 OK, mon problème c'est la BDP ! 14:19 JYL57 Ils veulent des tirets pour à partir d'un fichier de codes barres aller rechercher les notices... 14:19 paul pour les mails de js joliez et s plaudeix : 14:19 paul je t'envoie un mail tout de suite 14:19 JYL57 Mon client Z3950 ne marche pas encore... 14:20 JYL57 Ok ! Mon challenge c'est ce vendredi ou je rencontre l'équipe pour faire un point sur l'informatisation de la bib 14:21 paul le daemon z3950 est bien en marche ? 14:21 paul pour les - dans les ISBN, quel est l'outil qui les impose ? tous ceux que je connais acceptent les isbn avec OU sans - 14:22 JYL57 Non ! because j'ai pas tous les packages PERL requis... 14:22 paul mmm... bizarre ca... tu as pu faire l'installq uand même ? 14:22 JYL57 Je crois qu'aucun outil ne les impose ! 14:22 paul on est d'accord, alors ou est le pb ? 14:22 JYL57 Yes ! j'ai eu un warning, mais il est passé ! en 2.0 14:23 paul c'est yaz ? 14:23 JYL57 oui, yaz ! 14:23 paul il suffit de le télécharger, de le compiler. Ca passe sans pb sur un linux standard 14:23 JYL57 Mon problème doit ressembler à ce que tu vis à longueur de journée = convaincre que ça fonctionne ! 14:23 paul (c'est du C, donc il faut un gcc) 14:24 JYL57 Je sais que ça va marcher, j'ai juste pas assez de temps... 14:24 JYL57 La bibliothécaire que nous avons recruté est novice et ne comprends pas bien l'anglais... 14:25 JYL57 Je dois trouver le temps de lui traduire l'essentiel et de la former 14:25 paul peut etre qu'elle devrait appeler s plaudeix 14:25 paul pour la formation, je mets, pour ce qui me concerne, 2 jours complets. 14:25 JYL57 Pour sûr !! 14:25 JYL57 Aie !! 14:25 paul pourquoi ? 14:25 paul aie ? 14:25 JYL57 J'espérais ne pas devoir prendre autant de temps... 14:26 JYL57 Pendant que tu es là, peut-on importer en masse sans rescanner l'ensemble des bouquins ?! 14:26 paul bien sûr. 14:26 paul misc/bulkmarcimport.pl est ton ami 14:26 JYL57 Yes ! 14:27 JYL57 Mais j'ai démarré "Learn PERL in 21 days" seulement il y a 3 jours !!LOL 14:27 paul :-D 14:28 paul si ton fichier est propre, ca marche sans modification particulière 14:28 JYL57 Bon où en êtes-vous sur la 2.2 ?! 14:28 paul le misc/dumpmarc.pl est aussi utile pour "analyser" un fichier iso2709 14:28 paul je suis en train de faire un mail avec tous les bugs recencés sur la 2.2 14:28 paul je corrige et on release. 14:28 paul j'ai installé l'EMN la semaine dernière, ils sont satisfaits 14:28 paul du niveau fonctionnel 14:29 JYL57 Oui ! j'ai trouvé un équivalent qui lit le fichier Unimarc et le rend lisible (MARC.EXE sous Windows) 14:29 paul il ne manque que les bugs à corriger 14:29 JYL57 Donc à ton avis, il vaut mieux avancer sur la 2.2 14:30 JYL57 Nous pensons ouvrir au public dans quelques semaines... 14:31 paul "quelques", ca fait combien ? 14:31 paul 2 => tro pcourt 14:31 paul 5 => ca devrait le faire 14:31 JYL57 OK ! Je vais essayer de gagner ce temps ! 14:31 paul je répète et rappelle que ma femme accouche d'ici 2 semaines, donc je serais moins présent pendant 2 ou 3 semaines 14:31 paul et inutile de me demander de me déplacer loin de Marseille... 14:31 JYL57 Ha super ! c'est ton premier ! 14:32 paul que nenni. 14:32 paul le 3 eme enfant 14:32 paul le 3eme garçon 14:32 JYL57 Comme moi ! 14:32 paul le 3eme accouchement en septembre ! 14:32 paul (c'est involontaire pour le mois ;-) ) 14:32 JYL57 mes moi, j'ai deux filles ! ;-) 14:32 paul (en + des 3 garçons ?) 14:33 JYL57 NON, trois en tout ! ça fait déjà pas mal... 14:33 paul certes, certes. 14:33 JYL57 Pour aller + loin, il faut que je change d'épouse ! 14:33 paul mais tout le monde dit que le 3eme s'élève tout seul ! 14:33 paul mmm... pas forcément une bonne idée... 14:33 paul (bientôt 10 ans de mariage pour moi. Maintenant que je suis habitué à ma femme, j'ai pas envie de changer :-D ) 14:33 JYL57 T'as raison ! Plus ça va, plus c'est facile (c'est toujours les mecs qui disent ça !) 14:34 JYL57 Moi non plus je ne veux pas changer ! 14:34 JYL57 Pour tes interventions, je pense qu'une assistance à distance nous suffirait ! 14:34 JYL57 Avec un accès OpenSSh sur notre serveur si besoin est ! 14:35 JYL57 J'en ai marre moi aussi des déplacements professionnels ! 14:35 paul probablement, surtout si tu es là en 1er déffrichage 14:35 paul pour le contrat, inutile de contacter doXulting, c'est pas leur métier 14:35 paul leur métier, c'est AVANT l'installation du logiciel 14:35 JYL57 Ouais, je suis là jusqu'aux prochaines élections, mais plus après si Koha merde ! :-D 14:36 paul inutile de contacter Linagora, ils sont hors de vos tarifs à priori 14:36 JYL57 Ok ! 14:36 paul pas de panique, Koha ne merdera pas ;-) 14:36 paul surtout si je jette un oeil avant mise en production.. 14:36 JYL57 Ok ! again 14:36 paul le vrai problème, c'est la documentation, je pense; 14:36 paul on n'a rien de décent en fait 14:37 paul ni en Fr ni en En 14:37 JYL57 Ouais, ça craint ! 14:37 JYL57 Il faut relancer une doc en anglais ! 14:37 paul héhé... ce n'est pas à moi d'écrire la doc 14:37 paul je ferais un truc illisible & pas utilisable 14:38 paul donc il faut un/des volontaires. 14:38 paul et ca ne court pas les rues. 14:38 JYL57 Etape 1 = un document avec l'arborescence des menus et des copies d'écran 14:38 JYL57 Est-ce que vous bougez encore beaucoup l'interface ?! 14:39 JYL57 Stephen Hedge fait du bon boulot avec l'aide en ligne !! 14:40 JYL57 Ok Paul, je retourne à mes occupations Serveur 14:41 paul a bientôt 14:41 JYL57 Merci pour les @ mails 14:41 paul pour l'interface, ca ne bougera plus 14:41 paul ou très peu 14:41 JYL57 A bientôt et bon courage pour la chasse aux bugs ! 14:41 paul merci 16:28 rach hello 16:52 rosa morning 02:20 chris hi paul 02:20 paul hi chris 02:21 chris hows things over there? the storm gone? 02:21 paul the storm ? which one ? 02:23 chris i think on saturday ur time 02:23 chris apparently it damaged the Team NZ yacht 02:23 paul ah, ok. I understand why you know we had a storm a few days ago ;-) 02:23 chris :) 02:23 paul in fact, it was not like Ivan in Cuba today 02:24 paul but it's true I was awaken by the ligthnings 02:24 chris yeah that was amazing 300+ kmph winds 02:30 chris i worked out i can install koha 2.0.1 in 8 minutes the other day 02:30 chris (did fifteen installs) 02:30 paul installing 2.2 will be faster : you have an option to get parameters from a file ;-) 02:30 chris ahh excellent 02:30 paul with uninstall.pl, it's highly easier to test releases ! 02:31 chris yeah 02:31 chris i think we might have a new QA person 02:31 chris which would be good 02:31 paul GOOD new 02:31 paul GREAT news in fact. 02:32 paul who is it? 02:32 chris one of the katipo project managers 02:32 chris russel 02:32 paul Great, really great. 02:32 paul I think our future will be : 02:32 paul * Argentina team 2.4 release manager (i didn't ask them yet) 02:32 paul * me release maintainer for 2.2 02:33 paul * Russel QA manager 02:33 chris yeah, they are doing some nea things 02:33 paul * ?? kaitiaki 02:33 chris neat 02:33 paul * ?? doc manager 02:33 chris rachel was talking about being kaitiaki 02:33 paul yes, i remember. 02:33 chris as i dont think anyone else wants to 02:33 chris (its too hard a job for me :-)) 02:33 paul so, we just lack a doc manager that can work really on the doc. 02:34 chris yeah 02:34 paul i'm trying to do something for french documentation. 02:34 chris cool 02:34 chris i wonder if regula might want to do it 02:34 chris she would be good because she speaks some german, i think is quite fluent in french, and is very fluent in english 02:35 chris plus is a librarian 02:35 paul i've met a company that sells doc platforms. it's the company that helps mandrake doing their doc 02:36 chris ahh 02:36 paul it would cost some money, but will be a professional help (tech & writing) 02:36 chris yeah 02:36 paul I'll speak of this soon. 02:36 chris that might be what we need 02:36 paul maybe we could organise an IRC meeting in a few days/weeks. 02:36 chris sounds like a good idea 02:36 paul could you ask for this pls ? 02:37 chris sometime before the 26th 02:37 chris yep, ill do that 02:37 paul (on sep, 29, my 3rd son is planned to birth) 02:37 chris congrats 02:37 chris october 10 im getting married 02:38 paul (so i'm always at home, i don't want to miss this event ;-) ) 02:38 paul yes, i remember. 02:38 chris so sep 26th we are off to the us 02:38 paul we spoke of this a few months ago 02:38 chris right 02:38 chris i hope to catch up with the npl ppl 02:38 chris again 02:38 paul could you remember me who is the wife ? 02:38 chris laurel 02:39 chris she is an art teacher here in new zealand, who emigrated from the usa 02:39 paul don't forget to put pictures of the wedding ceremony on the net ;-) 02:39 chris will do :-) 02:39 paul art teacher. With a computer scientist ! 02:39 paul wow ! 02:39 chris hehe 02:39 chris programming is art :-) 02:39 paul childrens may be very intelligent ;-) 02:40 chris i tease her, and say its all just mathematics 02:40 chris i was thinking next year might be time for a koha conference :-) 02:41 paul yes. just need to define in which country... 02:41 chris yeah, probably in europe i think 02:41 chris its quite inexpensive from the US to europe 02:42 chris or maybe south america we could all go to argentina :-) 02:42 chris i think nz would be nice, but too expensive to fly here for most people 02:42 paul yes, right for NZ 02:43 paul argentina may be possible. 02:43 chris i wonder if nz or france are touring argentina for rugby ? :-) 02:44 paul mmm... something like 1000Euros for france=> buenos aires 02:44 chris hmm thats quite expensive 02:45 paul (on phone) 02:45 chris maybe we can sponsored :-) 02:46 chris maybe we can get sponsored i mean 07:36 paul hi emiliano 07:36 emiliano Hi everybody 07:36 paul good morning 07:36 paul (i'm alone) 07:36 emiliano good morning! 07:37 paul (no, good evening for me ;-) ) 07:37 emiliano what time is it in France? 07:37 emiliano oh yes! 07:37 paul (mm... afternoon is better : 3PM here) 07:37 emiliano ok 07:37 emiliano did you receive my mail paul? 07:37 paul I think you should read IRC logs from yesterday & today 07:37 emiliano ups 07:37 emiliano something important? 07:38 paul yep. I didn't had time to give your a try to your code 07:38 paul but i still plan to include it for official release 07:38 emiliano ok 07:38 paul yes, something important. At least I think 07:38 paul (yesterday when I spoke with kados, today with chris) 07:39 emiliano URL of logs? 07:39 emiliano www.koha.org something 07:39 paul www.koha.org/irc iirc 07:39 emiliano ok 07:41 emiliano jajajajaj!!!! Argetina for a conference 07:41 emiliano is great!! 07:41 paul I was not speaking of this.. 07:41 paul continue reading ;-) 07:43 paul (what is "strange" is that Argentina may be the world center for Koha project => same distance for most of the ppl involved in the project) 07:43 paul (France / US / NZ / Australia) 07:43 emiliano ok 07:45 emiliano (I'm still reading...) 07:45 paul search for 2.4 release manager proposal 07:47 emiliano ok, I will propose to our authorities 07:47 emiliano purpose 07:47 emiliano could you send me an email? 07:47 paul what kind of email ? 07:48 emiliano the proposal is that our team could be the 2.4 manager? 07:49 paul could you explain what you would do with such a mail ? 07:49 emiliano to present to our authorities 07:50 emiliano our project has 14 month 07:50 paul but is it to ask for a "OK, I agree", or to say "hey, look, we are the best and you were right to fund us" ? 07:50 emiliano jajaja 07:50 paul the mail wouldn't be the same. 07:50 emiliano no, I work for the National Ministry of Education also 07:50 emiliano here in Argentina 07:51 paul (i'm not joking, i'm asking. political things are very important) 07:51 emiliano I will not "use" it 07:51 emiliano I will propose to take a major involvement 07:52 emiliano 3 babies 3 sons 3erd in Sept 07:52 emiliano jajajaja 07:52 emiliano ! 07:52 emiliano congratulations! 07:52 paul thanks 07:53 emiliano I have informed that you cannot to come to Argentina because you're waiting 07:53 emiliano for a child 07:53 emiliano my boss is a woman 07:53 emiliano and you wantos to help your wife 07:54 emiliano my boss has told: aaaaaahhhh, he's adorable! 07:57 emiliano ok. I've read it all 07:57 emiliano if you can send me an email I will purpose to be the R2.4 manager to my boss 08:22 emiliano paul are you there? 08:22 paul yes 08:22 emiliano here 08:22 emiliano ok 08:22 emiliano when will it be the irc meeting? 08:22 emiliano has been defined? 08:22 paul still to be decided. 08:22 emiliano ah ok 08:22 paul chris will send a mail about this 08:22 paul on koha-devel 08:22 emiliano ok ok 08:23 emiliano I leave. Regards paul 08:23 paul but should occur soon 08:23 paul (the irc meeting) 08:23 paul bye 08:23 emiliano If need something from matias write him 08:23 paul ko 08:23 paul ok 08:24 emiliano good bye 09:41 emiliano I'm again 09:41 emiliano paul are you here? 09:41 paul yep 09:41 emiliano should I download from R_2-1 09:41 emiliano or simply koha tag 09:42 emiliano from cvs 09:42 emiliano to remain updated? 09:42 paul simply from HEAD 09:42 emiliano ok 09:42 paul so, without any tags 09:45 emiliano in this week will try to merge our changes and upload to R_2-4 09:45 paul nice news 09:45 emiliano our add-ons 09:46 paul did you write a 2.4 roamap ? 09:46 paul on the wiki 09:46 emiliano no, my fault 09:46 emiliano could we post it in our site and link from wiki 09:46 paul if it's in english & can be modified by anyone, no problems 09:47 emiliano ok 09:47 paul i'll complete with my ideas, so anyone needs to be able to do modifs 09:48 emiliano ok 11:51 tim Hey owen 11:51 owen Hi tim 11:51 tim I was wondering how long it was between the time you started you Koha project to the time you started using it. 11:52 owen Well, it's hard to say, because when we started looking at Koha originally (at least two years ago), it wasn't really ready for use--it didn't have MARC support yet. 11:53 owen We probably spent a few months at least figuring out how to get our data out of our old system and into Koha. 11:54 tim I've spent more than that on it. 11:54 tim When it comes to this stuff there is no 'we' here. 11:55 owen We had two people working (although not full-time) on getting Koha's back end going, and one person (me) working on completely overhauling the front end. 11:56 tim It's just me working on it here and I'm learning along the way. 11:56 owen We'd still be waiting if it had just been me! 11:58 tim It's almost time to pay the yearly fee on our current system and they want results on this project. I think they'll need to go another year. 11:59 owen That's a tough choice--one that we faced as well. But we were determined to make the switch. Having gotten the data migrated was really the clincher. If we hadn't gotten that done, we would have been stuck.