Time Nick Message 23:54 indradg rach: r u online? 00:05 rach yes 00:05 indradg hi 00:05 rach hi :-) 00:05 indradg got a question for u... is the websites table linked to the Koha interface? 00:06 rach I think so yes 00:06 indradg ok 00:06 rach it's if you want to use the current koha templates that you would need to use it 00:06 rach whereas if you are just going to display the marc using that interface, you wouldn't 00:06 rach does that make sense? 00:06 indradg aah... i'm afraid u lost me there :( 00:07 rach Hokay - now I should confess that I am not a programmer 00:07 rach so I have been known to get a bit confused myself 00:07 indradg i'm not a librarian... just the resident linux tech at our place 00:07 rach but as I understand it 00:07 indradg lol 00:08 rach there are essentially 2 databases and interfaces running at the same time 00:08 rach the simplest is the original "koha" database and interface 00:08 indradg right... i understand that 00:08 rach which has the "nice" displays 00:08 indradg :) 00:08 rach then Paul has given people the ability to actually see the MARC directly as well 00:09 rach and to search it 00:09 indradg and we are using MARC here 00:09 rach so if you were happy to do everything in "MARC mode" (on the catalogue display side of things), you might not need to populate that table 00:09 rach but basically it's pretty ugly to actually display everything that way 00:10 rach does that make more sense? 00:10 rach using MARC is something that everyone does 00:11 rach but not everyone chooses to actually *look* at the MARC 00:11 rach other than to get the data into the system 00:12 rach It doesn't help that the MARC view templates are broken in our version here 00:13 indradg i get u... believe me after from the head lib here and me no one else even wants to know abt MARC :-) 00:13 rach lol 00:13 indradg s/after/apart/ 00:13 rach http://library.katipo.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=135 00:14 chris im pretty sure the websties table is not for cataloguing websites, its for adding links to other 00:14 chris a website is just an itemtype 00:14 indradg u r using the vanilla template there? 00:15 chris but the websites table allows u to associate 1 or many urls with a biblio 00:15 chris ie u can have a book 00:15 chris and then 5 links to reviews 00:15 chris of that book 00:16 indradg ok 00:16 chris its a separate table so that it can handle the 1 to n relationship 00:16 rach urg 00:17 indradg essentially what we are looking for is not just an ILS/OPAC for books, rather we want is catalogue electronic materials we are generating as well as links to online resources 00:17 chris right 00:17 chris those are just different itemtypes 00:18 chris so dont need that table 00:18 chris that table is for linking material about an item 00:18 indradg chris: howdy?? 00:18 rach chris - on our site - http://koha.katipo.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/detail.pl?type=intra&bib=135 00:18 rach then it's the additional web links? 00:19 chris thats right 00:19 chris its urls "about" the item 00:19 chris rather than the url of the item 00:19 rach all righty 00:19 chris thats the difference 00:19 chris does that make sense indradg? 00:19 chris and howdy :) 00:20 rach so indradg do you know if the MARC tags you mentioned make that distinction? 00:20 rach or is that a useful distinction to you? 00:20 rach I guess it;s like a built in "see also" 00:20 chris thats it rach 00:21 indradg chris: I believe that 856u in repeatable mode cud do the same perhaps 00:22 indradg but I haven't tried it yet with multiple entries 00:23 chris yeah im sure there will be a repeatable field that could do it 00:23 chris i dont know which one tho:-) 00:23 indradg and the marc_subfield_table can prolly hold it 00:23 indradg let me just check it out right now 00:29 indradg urgh... it concats the URLs... 00:29 chris darn 00:29 indradg http://www.wrox.com/%20|%20http://www.wrox1.com/%20|%20http://www.wrox2.com/ 00:38 chris russ: i reran the htdig indexer and apart from it refusing to index pdfs 00:39 chris it worked fine 00:39 chris i dont know why its not running nightly, and i dont know why it wont do pdfs anymore 00:39 indradg ok... apparently the Koha.marc_subfield_table is storing all the three URLs separately, *but* the Koha.biblioitems table stores it in the concated fashion :( 00:40 chris woops wrong # :) 00:40 indradg i was wondering :) 00:41 chris ahh it will be because its not storing them in the right table, biblioitem only has one field for url 00:42 chris so if you had 3 urls (that were items) u should have 3 biblioitems 00:42 chris attached to one biblio 00:42 indradg right-o! 00:42 indradg but there is only one field Koha.biblioitems.url 00:43 chris yep 00:43 chris so say u were cataloguing a website that had 3 urls 00:43 chris u should have 1 biblio "chris's website" and three biblioitems 00:43 chris one for each url 00:44 indradg yep! 00:44 chris u might also have some addiotional urls that are about the website, which would go in the other table 00:44 indradg basically we need a 1:n relation to another table 00:44 chris so i think the marc->koha conversion is doing it wrong 00:44 indradg or can we just use the websites table :) 00:44 chris yep 00:45 indradg its designed for 1:n :D 00:45 chris yep 00:46 chris :) 00:47 indradg been around PHP much of the time 00:47 indradg so reading perl code is OK... but seriously hacking it is another matter :P 00:48 chris i feel the same about php :) 00:48 indradg hahaha 00:51 indradg gotta go 00:52 indradg rachel + chris... thanks :) 00:52 indradg ciao! 03:25 rach evening paul 03:25 paul hi rachel 03:27 rach have you heard any more from Pat? 03:27 paul no. 03:27 paul except one 03:28 rach that one seeing if you want to be Kaitiaki 03:28 paul he sended me a mail to give me the kaitiaki role 03:28 rach yep 03:28 paul but I don't want 03:28 rach :-) 03:28 rach yep 03:28 paul (we already spoke of this didn't we ?) 03:28 rach yes - but it was before you went on holiday :-) 03:28 rach so your mind has been wiped clean, by fresh air 03:29 paul lol 03:29 paul (i remembered speaking of this, but didn't remember with who...) 03:29 rach yes it was me 03:29 rach we are busy planning our talk and stand for the library association conference next month 03:30 rach it is going to feature orange fake fur - we'll make sure we take pictures :-) 03:30 paul (/me remembers better when he saw someone in real life... maybe we would organize a real meeting somewhere in the world ;-) ) 03:30 paul feature orange fake fur ?? 03:32 rach yep 03:32 paul (what does it mean ??) 03:32 rach yes - oh it is Koha's 5th birthday on the 5th of january 2005! 03:32 rach the anniversary of the first day it went into production in a real library 03:33 paul why orange fake fur ? (i don't understand this term at all...) 03:33 rach sorry a disconnected thought 03:33 rach umm - it actually is what you are imagining 03:33 rach orange 03:33 rach material, that looks like fur 03:33 rach it is to draw people into the stand to touch it 03:34 rach and all women like to touch fabric 03:34 rach and then we have a story about Koha being a "small furry mamal - unlike the big dinnosour IILs systems" 03:34 rach it is just something very different, to make Koha "real" - tactile 03:35 rach we have been running tests here, and everyone does indeed come in to touch it 03:35 rach and then you get to talk to them 03:35 rach cheeper than one of those flash back drop print out things 03:37 rach http://www.katipo.co.nz/solutions/products/lianza/index.html 03:43 paul GREAT rach 03:43 paul Just 1 suggestion : Koha don't work well on a machine less that 800MHz 03:43 paul (due to lot of packages to compile at run time : MARC::Record & others 03:44 paul ) 03:44 paul so saying "486 & +" is ... a little optimistic imho 03:51 rach ah good call 11:09 indradg paul: around? 11:09 paul yes 11:10 indradg hi 11:10 paul hi 11:10 paul you have a question ? 11:10 indradg i wonder if u can help me out with subject based searching 11:11 paul ask your question. 11:12 indradg when I try to search on subject.. shud it list all the subjects which meet the criteria from the OPAC interface... right? 11:14 indradg or am I assuming wrongly? 11:14 paul 1st question : 2.0 or 2.1 ? 11:15 indradg oops! :-P 11:15 indradg 2.0 11:16 paul in the 2.1, i've rewritten a lot of things for subject search. 11:16 paul are you able to look inside mySQL table ? 11:17 indradg yes 11:17 paul is bibliosubject filled ? 11:17 indradg yes 11:17 paul can I access your opac ? 11:18 indradg aah.. no not yet... i am still on internal IP 11:20 paul what do you see when looking at a biblio detail ? 11:20 paul is there some subject ? 11:25 indradg yes.. I can see the subject when I click on a biblio detail 11:25 paul (stay on private chanel) 11:27 indradg ok