Time Nick Message 06:20 Joubu hi #koha 06:32 magnuse caroline++ 06:32 magnuse hiya Joubu 06:32 * dcook waves too 07:12 Joubu ok, so, where do I start?... 07:17 cait at the beginning? :) 07:17 cait welcome back Joubu 07:17 cait and good morning #koha 07:19 Joubu there are several beginnings 07:22 cait many loose ends? yes... 07:30 Joubu RudyHinojosa[m]: Hi! Some days ago you posted a video to lightwavelibrary where I saw references to lrms. When I google it I found a website about G4/G5. Do you know what is this about? 07:30 Joubu RudyHinojosa[m]: "Because LRMS has always led the way in Library Automation, we are happy to announce our Collaborative working support of this Open Source G5 Lightwave Library/Koha ILS. Designed by the Koha world-wide collective this software is free to Libraries[...]" 07:30 Joubu RudyHinojosa[m]: This sentence on their website is really confusing.. 08:36 mtj hey folks 08:37 davewood im looking for a custom shortcut combination that works on all major browser. a customer wants to switch the navigationtabs on cataloguing/addbiblio.pl using 0-9, left arrow, right arrow ... this is easily done adding custom js code to IntranetUserJS ... but no matter which meta keys i pick there is always one browser that does some other thing. 08:37 mtj hi cait, i think download.kc.org is running on the bugzilla server, so chris 08:38 MatthewBlenkinsop[m] o/ 08:38 davewood alt+num switches tabs on FF, ctrl+num switches tab on edge, ctrl+alt+num doesnt work on FF, ... 08:39 davewood mabe if i require the user to press ALL the buttons at once 08:39 Joubu davewood: super? 08:39 mtj Joubu: i think 'G5' is their rebranded koha... poss. G4 is a closed-source ILS that they are abandoning? 08:39 Joubu well forget that, not on windows :D 08:39 cait davewood: it's annyoing,b ut access keys are different in all browsers 08:40 cait I looked into it a while ago 08:40 * Joubu forgot not everybody is on linux already 08:40 cait mtj: I came to a similar conclusion 08:44 Joubu mtj: so, source should be somewhere? 08:44 davewood Joubu: meta does weird stuff with me window layout. 08:45 Zahid[m] hi every one, suggestion required in cataloguing module 08:45 davewood and i cant seem to prevent the event from bubbling up 08:45 mtj davewood: tell your customer to use just firefox 08:46 davewood mtj: I will also tell them to use linux exclusively, i'll report back if it was a success. 08:46 PedroAmorim[m] morning o/ 08:46 davewood im sure that particular close-to-government-institution will have no issue with my request. 08:47 Joubu if you are hacking in IntranetUserJS you can still adjust the shortcut depending on the client 08:47 mtj Joubu: hmm yeah, good point 08:53 Zahid[m] morning, is there any system preference value to restrict the staff/user in editing/adding books in cataloguing/addbiblio.pl page for disabling the tags a,b,c etc and the boxes/indicators example 100 indicator [1][2] a c d etc;. i want disable/readonly that indicator and abcd so the user cannot type and change the indicator and (a) (b) (c) etc 09:00 cait the problem I think with not using access keys is that you will probably always overwrite soem browser feature shortcut 09:00 cait you can use overlay rules 09:01 cait administration > overlay rules 09:01 cait but beware: it will still look like the ycan edit, but it won't save any changes 09:03 mtj davewood: https://github.com/jaywcjlove/hotkeys-js ... looks quite nice 09:05 mtj https://learn.jquery.com/code-organization/feature-browser-detection/ 09:23 Joubu if you mistype ctrl+w too often and hit ctrl+q instead - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1279145 09:23 Joubu might happen less often with qwerty layout however 09:38 davewood cait: browser shortcuts are apparently not always overridable 09:38 davewood Joubu: didnt think of browser detection, good point 09:45 cait davewood: makes sense, but doesn't make your life easier I guess :( 09:57 cait I am trying to join accountlines and account_offsets because I need the offsets with the borrowernumber 09:58 cait but I am failing currently... witht he debit_id credit_id links 10:00 cait hm I think i foudn a way... but it's a little ugly 10:01 cait https://paste.koha-community.org/25460 10:08 tcohen[m] Hola #koha o/ 10:38 oleonard o/ 10:53 cait hi tcohen hi oleonard 11:19 tcohen[m] has anyone looked at the failing tests? 11:20 Joubu What's the point of tests if they are always failing? Shouldn't we simply remove them? 11:20 tcohen[m] is it a rethorical question? 11:23 Joubu trying to be funny, sorry :D 11:25 tcohen[m] haha 12:13 EvaldoSantos[m] Hi there 12:14 EvaldoSantos[m] I am facing a very weird behaviour with SMTP: sometimes it sends e-mail and sometimes not. 12:21 oleonard EvaldoSantos[m]: That sounds like it might not be a Koha-specific question. Do you have reason to believe it is Koha? 12:21 Joubu yes, the S stands for that: Sometimes Mail Transfer Protocol 12:21 oleonard :D 12:23 EvaldoSantos[m] oleonard: Yes I do. Because it is our company e-mail service and we dont have any user complaining. 12:24 tcohen[m] Koha emails are sent through the configured SMTP 12:24 tcohen[m] do you see no activity in the SMTP server? 12:25 EvaldoSantos[m] I have sent a welcome e-mail to a user 10 minutes ago and it still pending. 2 hours ago it was working well. 12:25 tcohen[m] right 12:25 tcohen[m] when you say 'pending' 12:26 tcohen[m] you mean it is displayed as 'pending' in the Koha UI 12:26 EvaldoSantos[m] tcohen[m]: Yes I do, the configuration matches in both SMTP Server in SMTP Server and koha-conf.xml 12:26 EvaldoSantos[m] tcohen[m]: Exactly 12:26 tcohen[m] messages in the message queue 12:26 tcohen[m] are picked by the process_message_queue.pl cronjob 12:27 tcohen[m] you should go check the script is configured to be run with the desired frecquency 12:27 tcohen[m] and you could try to run it manually within a koha-shell 12:28 tcohen[m] the cronjob most likely runs by using 12:28 tcohen[m] koha-foreach --email 12:28 tcohen[m] it means only instances with email enabled will be picked 12:28 tcohen[m] koha-enable-email <instance> 12:28 tcohen[m] I didnt' mention it first, because you said some messages went out and others didn't 12:28 EvaldoSantos[m] tcohen[m]: This has been done. 12:29 tcohen[m] so you have homework 12:29 tcohen[m] happy to continue the chat once you checked those things I mentioned 12:33 EvaldoSantos[m] <tcohen[m]> "and you could try to run it..." <- Let me try it, i will let you know in a few moments. 12:56 EvaldoSantos[m] <tcohen[m]> "you should go check the script..." <- Well, it is solved, just adjusted the script to run every (1) minute and the mails are flowing 12:56 EvaldoSantos[m] sudo nano /etc/cron.d/koha-common 12:56 EvaldoSantos[m] */1 * * * * root koha-foreach --chdir --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl 12:57 EvaldoSantos[m] Thanks for the help, mostly for the quick reply. 12:57 tcohen[m] congrats 13:33 EvaldoSantos[m] Can someone help me understand a doubt about the permissions of Patron: It is not possible to create a Patron Category and define permissions to that category instead so that any new patron created within that category inherits the permission, instead of applying permission directly to a single patron. I think that only way is to create a Patron (template with permission) and then Duplicate. 13:34 oleonard EvaldoSantos[m]: Permissions are set on patrons. They can't be applied by patron category. 13:34 caroline EvaldoSantos[m], as far as I know, the permissions are per patron only. I think I saw a plugin to copy permissions somewhere... 13:35 caroline I have never tried it, but you can look at https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-batch-permissions-modifier 13:36 EvaldoSantos[m] oleonard: It is a pitty. I think I will have sticky with the "Duplicate" option. 13:36 oleonard And hopefully the QA team is discussing 30623 13:36 oleonard Bug 30623 13:36 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Copy permissions from one user to another 13:40 emlam EvaldoSantos[m] - we use the patron batch permissions modifier plugin that caroline posted, and it has worked really nicely for us 13:41 emlam if you're interested in looking into it, Koha-US has a pair of videos that are very thorough in explaining the ins and outs of it 13:41 jalway EvaldoSantos[m]: Our circulation supervisor tried using the plugin some, but just resorted to manually setting permissions. They then forgot about it and were confused with some permission issues later. My suggestion is use it/don't use it. Just make sure you don't leave stumbling blocks for yourself later. 13:43 oleonard PedroAmorim[m] around? 13:43 PedroAmorim[m] aye 13:43 oleonard I just saw Bug 34654 13:43 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Submit button doesn't look right in staff forms 13:43 oleonard I thought this was fixed by Bug 34341 13:43 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34341 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to stable , Revert Bug 34072: Holds queue search interface hidden on small screens 13:43 EvaldoSantos[m] <huginn> "Bug https://bugs.koha-community..." <- I was reading the discussion, and i think comment #8 is the solution: permission profiles 13:44 oleonard PedroAmorim[m]: Have you run yarn build to get the latest CSS? 13:45 oleonard EvaldoSantos[m]: Permission profiles is a great idea but no one has sponsored it 13:45 oleonard ...despite lots of talk about people wanting it :( 13:46 jalway Permission profiles would be nice indeed. 13:46 PedroAmorim[m] oleonard: I did, but I did not have master up to date, that bug was pushed yesterday. Can confirm it's fixed. Thanks! 13:47 oleonard 👍🏻 13:48 EvaldoSantos[m] <caroline> "Evaldo Santos, as far as I know,..." <- The library i am working on it at moment is small, not more than 8 persons, but within the group there are teams with different tasks. For now i can just create some Patron Template according to the needs, but it would be fine in a near future to be able to create a permission profile (that you can import/export). 13:54 Joubu PedroAmorim[m]: still not interesting in fixing bug 34276? 13:54 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34276 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , upgrading 23.05 to 23.05.002 13:54 Joubu looks like a critical problem, impacting stable for weeks 13:55 PedroAmorim[m] hey 13:55 PedroAmorim[m] I've spent over a day trying to reproduce that, I can't 13:55 Joubu you don't need to 13:55 Joubu just provide the fix :D 13:55 PedroAmorim[m] can't fix something I can't reproduce 13:55 Joubu comment 18 13:56 Joubu yes you can, I have done that for years :D 13:56 Joubu think as a computer 13:56 Joubu better to write than to sign off! 13:57 PedroAmorim[m] I'm very interested as to what is the cause of that, I've tried many upgrades from and to different versions 13:57 PedroAmorim[m] with and without data 13:58 Joubu did you see what Fridolin posted? 13:58 PedroAmorim[m] I have, I am and was aware of that change 13:58 PedroAmorim[m] Tomas did a fix between releases, I tried upgrading with and without that 13:59 Joubu changing DBMS? 13:59 PedroAmorim[m] i have not tried that, no 13:59 tcohen[m] I reproduced with DB_IMAGE=mysql:8.0 13:59 tcohen[m] soltar 13:59 PedroAmorim[m] nice 14:10 oleonard jajm around? 14:12 * oleonard is wondering why unimarc_field_123d.pl, unimarc_field_123e.pl, and unimarc_field_123f.pl all create a link to unimarc_field_123g.pl 14:12 oleonard Looks like it's been that way forever but it doesn't look right 14:12 jajm oleonard: i'm here but i don't have any answers for that unfortunately :) 14:14 oleonard jajm: Who do you think would be good to CC in a bug report about UNIMARC plugins? 14:14 tcohen[m] sounds like a bug 14:14 tcohen[m] firdolin? 14:19 jajm not sure if it's really a bug, as all 4 plugins are extremely similar (to not say identical), so they should work correctly, but we only need one plugin, not 4 14:21 oleonard jajm: So we need one 123d/e/f/g plugin 14:23 jajm yes 14:23 tcohen[m] we need a 123 plugin, that can be linked on each subfield 14:41 caroline Speaking of plugins... If I change something in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/data/marc21_field_008.xml do I need to change it elsewhere to see the change? 14:42 caroline I see the change in my master installation, but not in KTD and am confused 14:44 oleonard caroline: You see the change in the 008 plugin popup? 14:45 caroline in my master installation, yes 14:46 oleonard I wonder if it's a cache somewhere not getting updated 14:47 caroline i did restart_all, is there another one for cache? 14:47 caroline I'm new to ktd, so I know like... two commands total 14:47 oleonard I would think that was all you needed, unless it's the browser cache 14:47 caroline I'll try Ctrl+F5 maybe 14:48 caroline no luck... I'll put it in Needs signoff, and maybe someone else can try 15:05 Joubu tcohen[m]: bug 34276 comment 24, cuidado! 'ADD CONSTRAINT fk_name FOREIGN KEY' vs 'ADD FOREIGN KEY fk_name' !! 15:05 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34276 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , upgrading 23.05 to 23.05.002 15:09 Joubu bug 34276 has a patch now 15:09 PedroAmorim[m] I'll look into to test and SO 15:31 oleonard Bug 34657 15:31 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34657 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Merge cataloging plugins for UNIMARC 123d, e, f, and g 16:16 oleonard caroline still around? 16:16 caroline oleonard, yes 16:17 oleonard Do you know what the marc21_field_008_classifications plugin is for? 16:17 caroline ooh... no 16:17 caroline I didn't know we supported the classifications format 16:18 oleonard I don't even know what that means :D 16:18 caroline There are different marc21 formats: bibliographic, authority, holdings and classification 16:19 caroline https://www.loc.gov/marc/classification/ 16:20 oleonard So the existence of that plugin implies the existence of a classifications module and framework which we don't have 16:20 caroline Maybe someone started something and it didn't go anywhere? 16:22 caroline bug 17233 16:22 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, abl, CLOSED FIXED, Add 008 value builder plugin for MARC21 classifications 16:22 caroline "This is a starting point for supporting classification records in Koha." 16:22 oleonard Whoops :) 16:24 caroline yeah so it never got anywhere I think... 16:40 oleonard I wonder if people would be interested in seeing a tooltip in the MARC editor showing which cataloging plugin is used for the field 16:41 caroline are there many that are interchangeable? Most are for a specific field no? 16:42 oleonard Yeah I guess that's true 17:45 oleonard This is old, but still... I'm surprised by the number of UNIMARC countries https://snipboard.io/O6iEwB.jpg 17:49 caroline wow! I thought it was France and a couple of other countries, but this is a lot more! 17:50 oleonard I wondered because of the .ru email address on that recent UNIMARC framework bug reporter 20:53 caroline MARC updates are ready for signoff! bug 34648 and dependents 20:53 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, Needs Signoff , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update 31 (December 2020) 22:21 davidnind caroline++ 22:22 davidnind I've put some comments on 34648, will work on the others over the next few days (unless someone beats me to it!) 23:43 tuxayo hi :) does anyone know how to simply see with perltidy what stuff should be changed? 23:43 tuxayo When the qa script complains about of a change, I run `perltidy the_file.pl` and open a diff between the original and the new .pl.tdy file. 23:44 tuxayo And then go the placed the patch touched to see what is the diff there. 23:44 tuxayo I wonder how other people do.