Time Nick Message 03:27 mtj hmm, i think ive found the issue around my weird quoting problem, from yesterday 03:28 mtj i edited the MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl file, and removed some quotes 03:29 mtj from.. 03:29 mtj <a><xsl:attribute name="href">/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=se,phr:"<xsl:value-of select="marc:subfield[@code='a']"/>"</xsl:attribute> 03:29 mtj to.. 03:29 mtj <a><xsl:attribute name="href">/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=se,phr:<xsl:value-of select="marc:subfield[@code='a']/>"</xsl:attribute> 03:29 wizzyrea that's pretty weird, because the original fix added those quotes. 03:30 mtj lol, nice 03:30 wizzyrea (iirc) 03:30 wizzyrea maybe that's caught in a more recent version of one of the dependencies 03:30 wizzyrea < has no idea really 03:32 mtj removing the quotes fixed the issue, and doesnt seem to cause a problem?! 03:32 mtj i noticed some quoting inconsistencies in the xslt file 03:34 mtj like, no quotes for a title,phrase search... 03:34 mtj <a><xsl:attribute name="href">/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ti,phr:<xsl:value-of select="translate($f773, '()', '')"/></xsl:attribute> 03:35 mtj herm...or is that quoted, even? - i cant even tell 03:36 mtj ^ not such a hottt example 03:50 mtj bug 5369, is prolly the change yr thinking of wizzyrea ? 03:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, se queries with paranthesis fail 03:50 wizzyrea probably 03:52 mtj tho, its not adding any quotes - but removing a single unmatched " 03:54 mtj hmm, looks like its a legit fix for an old bug 03:59 mtj ah, this is the patch to add double quotes, bug 6553 03:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6553 major, P3, ---, liz, CLOSED FIXED, Parentheses in corporate author break tracings 04:12 mtj meh, i added a single " in my series, and it f*kd it 04:13 mtj so, its still a variation of the same general problem 04:54 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 05:56 * magnuse waves 06:43 reiveune hello 06:47 dojobo hello 06:47 wahanui privet, dojobo 06:48 dojobo can i just say, coming from an inferior ILS, i love koha's interface 06:48 dojobo the multi-function search bar on the staff main page is brilliant 06:49 dojobo (as well as in the modules, e.g. acquisitions has vendor search or orders search) 06:54 cait hm no kyle 06:54 cait someone ever seen a debarment comment from another borrower showing for another? 06:55 cait the patron in question has one entry in borrower_debarments without a comment... but we still see the comment from another in the account 06:58 magnuse ouch! 06:58 cait yeah super weird :( 06:59 cait borrower.debarred is correct and there is one entry in borrower_debarments, the debarments tab shows it all correct, but the message at the beginning of the table is wrong 07:00 alex_a bonjour 07:00 wahanui salut, alex_a 07:02 cait Joubu: around maybe? 07:02 Joubu hi 07:02 Joubu cait yep 07:03 cait I was wondering, could you take a quick look at soem code with me? 07:03 cait i have the strange penomenon that we see comments from the wrong debarment in an account :( 07:03 cait or many accounts 07:12 cait Joubu++ 07:13 cait it's coming from borrowers.debarredcomment, not from borrower_debarments table 07:29 Joubu So now we know how to improve Koha's speed! We just need to checkout the 2.x branch! 07:31 cait ssh 07:31 cait hehe 07:35 gaetan_B hello 07:54 cait Joubu++ saving my day 07:54 Joubu hehe, cool :) 07:55 cait ah - i am mostly done with testing the I18N patch 07:55 cait i failed it again, but most files so far looked good :) 07:55 cait so not much left 07:55 cait i am done with all the reports and most intranet files 07:55 cait Joubu ^ 07:56 Joubu cait: I am on it 07:59 magnuse cait++ Joubu++ 08:06 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 08:06 cait @wunder Tylösand 08:06 huginn cait: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 08:06 cait @wunder Halstad 08:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Climax, Climax, Minnesota is 6.6°C (3:00 AM CDT on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 08:24 cait @wunder CPH 08:24 huginn cait: The current temperature in Copenhagen, Denmark is 9.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 08:28 magnuse Halstad = Climax, Minnesota?!? 08:28 magnuse @wunder halmstad 08:28 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Vilsharad, Halmstad, Sweden is 9.0°C (10:28 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 08:28 magnuse @wunder Tylosand 08:28 huginn magnuse: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 08:28 * magnuse sets off in ~24 hours 08:29 cait my flight is tomorrow aound noon :) 08:29 cait ic an try to catch you were people come out - but if I don't give me a quick call or so when you have landed? 08:29 cait s/were/where 08:30 magnuse will do! 08:38 ashimema whats the latest on using memcached configuration guys? I got lost a while bakc when it kept swithcing between being configured in the vhost conf or configured in the koha-conf 08:39 cait we are not using it, sorry 08:40 ashimema @later tell pianohacker Always like signoffs ;).. was related to sessions being recreated with every refresh/page load 08:40 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 08:40 ashimema yeah.. nor are we in most places.. but we're wanting to take the leep again and try it 08:41 magnuse ashimema: the packages add the memcached config to the apache site configs 08:42 magnuse http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=debian/templates/apache-site.conf.in 08:42 magnuse so i assume that is the correct place :-) 08:51 cait @later tell atheia part of the presentations is linked now http://www.bsz-bw.de/bibliothekssysteme/vufind/2015.html 08:51 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 09:09 ashimema 'tis his day off today ;) 09:09 ashimema back tomorrow 09:09 ashimema cheers magnuse 09:09 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 09:09 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Stevenage, England, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 9.7°C (10:09 AM BST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 09:10 ashimema possitively tropical ;) 09:15 magnuse @wunder boo 09:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 9.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 09:15 * magnuse too 09:18 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:18 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 09:23 magnuse cait: it's warmer in the arctic ;-) 09:24 cait hmpf 09:24 cait i think even first snow in some parts of germany today 09:27 magnuse we have had snow on the peaks for a while now 09:38 cait Joubu++ 09:45 ashimema snow on the peaks.. that makes me want to go skiing again.. it's been too long :( 09:47 Joubu ashimema: Where do you go skiing in England? 09:48 ashimema I don't.. I head out to the alps ;) 09:48 ashimema though there is 'some' skiing in Scotland 09:48 Joubu ha :) 09:48 ashimema none in England as far as I'm aware.. except for the dry slopes and snow domes ;) 09:59 drojf hi #koha 10:30 cait hi drojf 10:30 magnuse moin drojf 10:46 Balvis is there any way to migrate the database from libsys 4 to koha?I have ubuntu 14.04 with Koha installed in it. 10:59 drojf Balvis: google shows several good hits for libsys and koha. i don't know libsys myself 11:18 * cait waves 11:24 * magnuse waves too 11:26 magnuse andreashm: will we meet you tomorrow, or do you arrive early on friday? 11:28 andreashm magnuse: I arrive early(ish) friday. 11:29 magnuse ah, cool 11:29 * magnuse wonders how many will be staying at the hotel from thursday to friday 11:43 cait me me me 11:43 cait :) 11:46 magnuse me me me too 11:46 magnuse where's Viktor when you need him :-) 12:40 Joubu tcohen: around? 12:42 Joubu tcohen: I have sent you a pull request on kohadevbox:ansible 12:42 Joubu and I have spent last hour with Laurent (sysop's biblibre) to try and fix the cgi->url issue (using Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxyPath) 12:43 Joubu but we failed, it should work, but it does not 12:43 Joubu Do you remember why we use unix socket for Plack? 12:45 jcamins Joubu: ports can't be named. 12:46 jcamins (so multiple instances is harder) 12:46 Joubu jcamins: to support several instances, that's it? 12:46 Joubu yes ok, thanks 12:47 jcamins That's why I did it, at least. 12:56 Joubu tcohen: have a look at last note of bug 15005, SCRIPT_NAME works :) 12:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs 13:11 tcohen morning everyoen 13:11 tcohen Joubu: I didn't manage to make Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxyPath work as expected 13:11 tcohen I suspect a bug in Apache's mod_proxy (on UDS) but I'm not sure 13:12 tcohen and jcamins is right 13:12 tcohen about why to use UDS 13:12 tcohen hi andreashm 13:12 andreashm hi tcohen 13:13 andreashm is anyone actually using kohadevbox on windows? we are having trouble setting that up. 13:13 tcohen andreashm: which branch? 13:13 wahanui it has been said that which branch is HEAD in this statement? 13:14 andreashm (also with mac there is some new errors... something about the vagrant box having a different name than the one requested) 13:15 andreashm tcohen: are there several branches? 13:15 andreashm tcohen: cloned from the kohadevbox repo 13:15 andreashm digibib/kohadevbox 13:16 tcohen andreashm: there is a revamped kohadevbox 13:16 tcohen which was created so we can test the plack integration into the packages 13:16 tcohen for 3.22 13:16 andreashm ah, that might explain the errors. 13:16 andreashm where do we clone that from? 13:17 tcohen it is a general purpose kohadevbox, but it was started to make it easier to test plack for the 3.22 release 13:17 tcohen just checkout the 'ansible' branch 13:17 tcohen from the same repo instead of master :-D 13:17 andreashm ok 13:17 tcohen but let me apply a pull request from Joubu first 13:18 andreashm ok, part 2. =) 13:18 andreashm we're not working on it right now. but good to know. 13:18 tcohen check the README, as it needs ansible to be installed 13:20 andreashm ok thanks 13:47 nengard cait if you get a sec can you read our questions on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14377 13:47 huginn 04Bug 14377: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wsalesky, Failed QA , Indicate that a record is suppressed in staff client 13:49 cait done 13:49 cait nengard: i think we don't need a pref 13:49 cait as Koha knows the value - we just need to look it up 13:56 cait brendan-bag? 13:57 brendan-bag Hi 13:57 * brendan-bag on the bus 13:58 cait so it's bus-bag :) 13:58 brendan-bag Ha 14:02 barton morning all! 14:02 barton here for the dev meeting. 14:03 cait oh right that's now 14:03 cait tcohen: ? 14:03 cait do you want to chair? 14:05 cait tcohen: ping 14:06 tcohen hi 14:06 cait can you chair today? 14:06 * tcohen was preparing a big cup of coffee 14:06 tcohen cait: of course 14:06 cait i need to run around here a bit - and that would not work well with being chair :) 14:06 barton #info big cup of coffee sounds awesome. 14:07 * tcohen just found a bug :-/ 14:07 barton ^^ purposfully playing around with #info, just because I know we haven't started yet :-)\ 14:08 tcohen #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 October 2015 - part 1 14:08 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 14 14:08:29 2015 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:08 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:08 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_1' 14:08 tcohen #topic Introductions 14:08 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 14:08 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 14:08 nengard #info Nicole C Engard, ByWater Solutions 14:08 tcohen please introduce yourselves like that ^^^^ 14:09 jajm #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre 14:09 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe 14:09 khall #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:09 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 14:09 barton #info Barton Chittenden, ByWater Solutions 14:09 brendan-bag Brendan Gallagher ByWater 14:10 tcohen will wait one more minute 14:10 brendan-bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 14:10 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 14:11 tcohen time 14:11 tcohen #topic RM 3.22 comments 14:12 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:12 tcohen first of all, I want to apologize for the lag on the PQA queue 14:12 tcohen it has become more and more difficult to keep the pace on such big developments 14:13 cait tcohen++ looking better then the NQA ;) 14:13 tcohen testing them and making sure everything is ironed for the users worldwide 14:13 tcohen and having a life appart from that 14:13 tcohen heh 14:13 nengard tcohen I thought RMs weren't allowed to have lives? ;) 14:14 tcohen I'm happy with how things have been doing overall, but I know it is frustrating to see 14:14 nengard tcohen++ 14:14 tcohen your work lag even when it was perr-review by several people 14:14 tcohen i think that will happen, always 14:14 tcohen because the RM position is very demanding 14:15 tcohen and it should be (somehow) funded so people can do it full time 14:15 tcohen just my two cents for the project's future 14:15 brendan-bag Here hear 14:15 khall tcohen++ 14:15 brendan-bag Trying for that we are 14:15 nengard tcohen++ 14:16 tcohen by 'funded' I mean that support companies should bring someone from their team to do it on work-hours 14:16 tcohen or whatever suits the community's possibilities at some point 14:16 barton btw, agenda at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_October_2015 14:16 tcohen i'm not complaining at all, I really enjoyed this, but it got more difficult than I expecetd 14:16 tcohen so 14:17 tcohen that was the "RM" bit 14:17 tcohen now the "3.22 comments" part :-P 14:17 tcohen some big stuff has been pushed recently 14:18 tcohen file-upload capabilities and refactoring 14:18 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy 14:18 tcohen OAI implementation changes 14:18 Joubu bug 14321 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Merge UploadedFile and UploadedFiles into Koha::Upload 14:19 tcohen that one requires ironing the deployment: i.e. we need to set a default upload_path 14:19 marcelr bug 14893 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Separate temporary storage per instance in Upload.pm 14:19 tcohen overall things are pretty stable, even though jenkins is failing 14:20 tcohen #info tcohen asks patch authors to take care of things being broken on jenkins, might be your fault! 14:20 tcohen anyway 14:21 tcohen I repeat myself, but we need more teseting on koha-plack, that's the purpose of teh kohadevbox:ansible branch 14:21 tcohen Jonathan has been working on a couple problems we found 14:21 tcohen Joubu++ 14:21 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_October_2015 14:21 cait Joubu++ 14:21 tcohen but the fact is that we are a month and a half away from the release and there is no evidence 14:22 tcohen people have been testing the plack integration on the packages 14:22 Joubu bug 15005 14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs 14:22 bag back 14:23 tcohen #info bug 15005 is really tricky to solve, with possible integration issues, and requires expert eyes 14:24 tcohen we have enough time to iron things out, but we will need to focus on this things 14:24 tcohen #action tcohen volunteers to help people set a suitable test environment for anywant willing to spend a couple minutes testing plack 14:24 Joubu stress session? 14:25 tcohen ah, that 14:25 wahanui ah, that is just to say that everything should be on one line 14:25 tcohen #info ByWater has provided a VM with external access, in which we will set a Koha+plack install so we can do stress tests on it 14:25 tcohen bywater++ 14:26 tcohen questions? 14:26 wahanui questions are good :) 14:26 Joubu when? 14:26 tcohen i can set everything up tomorrow morning 14:27 tcohen #action tcohen will send an email to the devel list with data about the koha-common+plack server 14:27 Joubu we need as many people as possible, to simulate a normal circulation/search/etc. workflow 14:28 tcohen questions about 3.22? 14:28 Joubu It would be preferable to push 15005 before the stress session 14:28 Joubu yes, do you plan to push the ES work? 14:28 tcohen Joubu: I didn't realized you already provided the needed followups for ->url 14:29 Joubu and bug 11559? 14:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface 14:29 Joubu and the REST api "base" 14:29 nengard Would love to see ^^ in 3.22 14:29 andreashm us too 14:30 tcohen I tested it and it has issues, but it can be pushed as it is an opt-in, once it gets PQA 14:30 tcohen (rancor) 14:30 Joubu I need to know the priorities to focus my work for the next month 14:30 tcohen I don't think the ES work will make it 14:30 bag imo ES needs more testing, I’ve tested it and I’ve got it set up, 14:31 tcohen I think the REST work should be pushed if we generate the needed patches for integrating with the packages 14:31 tcohen that's my opinion 14:31 bag bug number for need patches? 14:31 bag bug 13799 14:31 wahanui it has been said that bug 13799 is ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it 14:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Add base for building RESTful API 14:31 Joubu I have not willing to see 13799 pushed without any guidelines 14:31 tcohen I welcomed ashimema's followups, I guess we just need to solve minor issues right now 14:32 ashimema :) 14:32 Joubu I thing we need to see discussion (yes again) on bug 14974 before 14:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities 14:32 ashimema ooh.. meeting.. 14:32 wahanui meeting is probably in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then 14:32 ashimema oops 14:32 tcohen ashimema++ 14:32 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe 14:33 ashimema agree with Joubu.. we're getting there with the rest stuff.. but I'd like to see some concrete examples and guidlines around implimenting controllers for it 14:33 tcohen I think ashimema's comment on 13799 should be the basis for those guidelines 14:33 ashimema so we get adoption going. 14:33 Joubu code please! 14:33 ashimema I know khall, joubu and I are all working on some examples 14:34 Joubu mine is submitted, I don't plan to do more 14:34 * ashimema goes off to remind himself of the comment 14:34 ashimema :) 14:34 ashimema I'm trying to find some time for my angualr guy to attack it 14:35 tcohen so you think we need guidelines on how the UI should use the REST api to accept it pushed? 14:35 Joubu (definitely) 14:35 tcohen or just guidelines on how to build the controllers? 14:35 ashimema not exactly.. I'd love to see some.. 14:36 ashimema but I do think we need some clear guidelines on how controllers should be coded.. or rather spec'd 14:36 tcohen i don't think we need more than guidelines on the controllers code 14:36 ashimema it's important to build good specs with swagger.. else allot of the 'win' from using it is lost.. 14:36 Joubu I'd like to see alternative patches suggested on 14974, to do exactly the same things as mine 14:36 tcohen becuase otherwise we should make a decision on the UI tools (angular?) before we can have a REST api 14:36 ashimema the current specs are too sparse in terms of the requests and responses are not schema'd up.. 14:37 Joubu what's the point to have a "rest api base" if we don't know how to use/improve it? 14:37 ashimema i.e there is currently no validation going on before and after the controller code runs to varify what you 'think' you are getting in is what you actually are.. 14:37 ashimema and vica versa 14:37 ashimema UI wise, i think that's the next step.. hopefulyl closely behind.. 14:38 Joubu Better than specs, I'd prefer some code 14:38 ashimema I think getting the server level into master sooner rather than later good.. but also think before full release we need the ui examples and documentation in too 14:38 ashimema does that make sense 14:39 tcohen if we had a technical comitee, with schedules to make decisions I'd say we should wait for that 14:40 tcohen but we don't, we make decisions in places like this meeting 14:40 tcohen and mostly with code, provided by people that actually work on the implementations 14:40 bag that’s so true 14:40 bag catch 22 14:41 tcohen i'm happy with extracting martin's comments on how we should split the swagger file, and his guidelines on the types we need to choose for things 14:41 tcohen and consider that, and Julian's implementation something close to a guideline 14:41 bag seems reasonable 14:41 tcohen but I accept that we might not agree on that 14:42 tcohen I read Jonathan's implementation, and if it complied with martin's recommendation, I'd push it too :-P 14:42 tcohen well, I'm not sure about the UI part 14:42 tcohen but the controller and backend, yes 14:43 Joubu Where is Julian's implementation? 14:43 tcohen I'll close this topic, as we moved to the next one (REST :-D) 14:44 tcohen but first, I'd like to set feature slush for 23rd October 14:45 tcohen questions about feature slush 14:45 tcohen ? 14:46 Joubu In the bug reports linked to the "api base" I don't see a guideline on how using the REST api from Koha scripts 14:46 Joubu it's pretty soon :) 14:47 marcelr how do you explicitly define feature slush ? 14:47 tcohen the point were things that things that are not PQA are not *elegible* for poshing 14:47 ashimema I'll post the promised followups ot the rest bug shortly 14:48 ashimema just writing them now 14:48 bag sweet thanks ashimema 14:48 ashimema (found a bug in swagger2 lib which i'm fixing first.. hense the slow down) 14:48 nengard So we need everything that is signed off passed qa by the 23rd or else it won't be in 3.22? 14:48 nengard Got it 14:48 marcelr no this is about new features only 14:48 * ashimema has been writing tests furiosly for the Mojo Swagger2 lib the past few weeks.. to make sure feature we are using don't go away ;) 14:49 ashimema feature slush good :) 14:49 nengard oh good to know marcelr 14:49 tcohen i'm moving it November 26th, because people tend to work hard before the feature slush, and no point setting it to a friday when I'm not going to have time to push things 14:49 marcelr tcohen: and enhancements? 14:49 khall ashimema++ 14:49 tcohen ashimema++ 14:50 marcelr October 26th i guess 14:50 tcohen ah, yes, thanks marcelr 14:50 tcohen #info feature slush is October 26th 14:51 tcohen marcelr: I'm not sure, I guess small enhancements are not a problem, those that look more like a feature are 14:51 marcelr clear enough 14:52 tcohen in the end, it will depend on how much time I can spend on this, because I will be focusing on ironing things 14:52 tcohen unless people start seriously testing and let me spend more time pushing :-P 14:53 tcohen the next topic is the REST api implementation 14:53 tcohen #topic RESTful API Implementation 14:54 Joubu tcohen: you can count me in #testing 14:54 tcohen about bug 13799, I expected that Julian and Martin explained us the implementation details/decisions, and then Martin's followups, with the aim to have a general idea of those guidelines 14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Add base for building RESTful API 14:54 tcohen thanks Joubu 14:55 tcohen is there any volunteer that could extract that information from the bug so we start a wiki for those "guidelines"? 14:55 Joubu and code? :) 14:55 khall what guidelines are we looking for? 14:55 khall to add new services to the api, using the api, or both 14:56 Joubu both 14:56 tcohen my opinion is that we need the first 14:56 tcohen as mandatory 14:56 khall agreed. 14:56 ashimema I can write some guidelines based around using the swagger stuff meaningfully 14:56 tcohen we don't even have angular pushed to master 14:56 ashimema and write some examples too 14:56 khall I'll create the wiki page if ashimema and Joubu can go through and tweak it 14:57 cait back... 14:57 ashimema the clientside I'm less up to speed on and am honestly not entirely sure of the best aproach as yet.. 14:57 Joubu khall: I have no idea on how to use it and I am not involved in the discussion from the beginning, so not me :) 14:57 khall agreed, the backend is far more important at this point 14:57 tcohen the guidelines should cover: 14:57 ashimema would like to see some angualr based stuff sooner rather than later.. and to see some non-blocking async calls going on.. we're really nto very good at async calls yet 14:57 khall Joubu: np! 14:58 tcohen - how to structure the controller scripts 14:58 tcohen - how to make decisions on the endpoint naming, etc 14:58 khall ashimema: a wiki page on that would be good 14:58 ashimema k.. khall and I will tag team writing that page :) 14:58 tcohen - how to organize the swagger files 14:58 khall with good and bad examples 14:58 ashimema certainly ;) 14:58 ashimema we have some nasty blocks in the few places (the patrons search page in the staff cleint is very blocky currently) 14:59 ashimema I'll do the controllers + swagger guidlines first.. 14:59 ashimema then move onto utilising them clientside (with help of my tame angular dev) 14:59 khall ashimema: that sounds most excellent 15:00 ashimema :) 15:00 tcohen #info Jonathan worked on his own REST implementation test-drive on bug 14974, please, Mojo/Swagger/REST experts take a look and provide feedback 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities 15:00 ashimema sorry guys.. my auth maintainer hat is beign put down for a while whilst this api stuff goes through the motions ;) 15:00 ashimema only so many hours in a day 15:01 bag :) 15:01 tcohen ashimema: we forgive you, if you help us have those guidelines :-D 15:01 pianohacker hallo 15:02 tcohen pianohacker: just in time, we said next one to login was the volunteer 15:02 pianohacker uh oh 15:02 khall lol 15:02 pianohacker volunteer for what? Finishing full port to dbic? 15:02 ashimema :) 15:02 * ashimema would love full dbic port.. (and a cleaner db schema to boot) 15:03 tcohen pianohacker: yes, but we need a full rewrite of all the things too, thanks for volunteering! 15:03 pianohacker oh, cool 15:03 pianohacker in perl 6 of course 15:04 tcohen pianohacker: yes, but needs to be backwards compatible 15:04 pianohacker with python? Can do! 15:04 tcohen back to perl 5.6 15:04 pianohacker man, I thought you were volunteering me for something HARD 15:04 tcohen ok, so can I put actions? 15:05 ashimema go for it 15:06 tcohen #action Kyle volunteers to start a wiki page for the REST guidelines 15:06 tcohen #action Martin volunteers to polish some Controller / Swagger guidelines for the REST implementation 15:07 Joubu and code/example, someone? 15:07 * Joubu has the impression that he is repeating himself 15:08 tcohen action pianohacker volunteers to take a look and comment on 14974 15:08 tcohen :-P 15:08 pianohacker good to know! 15:08 tcohen if you accept I'll add the dash 15:08 bag yes 15:08 pianohacker oh yeah can do 15:08 tcohen #action pianohacker volunteers to take a look and comment on 14974 15:08 bag excellent 15:08 tcohen pianohacker++ 15:09 tcohen ashimema: please comment on anything you need, or whatever I/we can help with regarding the docs 15:10 tcohen and thanks 15:10 tcohen moving on 15:11 ashimema will also try to do some code example Joubu.. to go with the docs 15:13 bag sweet 15:15 ashimema :) 15:16 tcohen ok, sorry, had my boss asking me about my work :-/ 15:17 tcohen (DSpace things) 15:17 tcohen #topic 'Big stuff we are working on' 15:17 Joubu tcohen: You don't do anything at work, just surfing on facebook, everybody knows that 15:17 tcohen yeah 15:17 * tcohen seriously things his boss belives so 15:18 ashimema so.. Bug stuffs? 15:18 ashimema s/Bug/Bug 15:19 pianohacker Working on rancor atm, but I think that's already been discussed 15:19 * tcohen suspects the guidelines will be full of typos 15:19 tcohen :-P 15:19 bag HA 15:20 tcohen pianohacker: yeap 15:20 tcohen ok, moving on 15:20 tcohen #topic Specific bugs that need feedback 15:21 tcohen #info please take a look at tests failing on jenkins, specially if your patches might be guilty 15:21 pianohacker tcohen: at least one of the jenkins build failures seemed to be due to DB connection issues 15:21 tcohen I'd also like to ask the QA team to give packages-related patches some priority 15:22 * ashimema is terrible at holding conversations in multiple windows and managing to stave off the typo's too 15:22 tcohen pianohacker: thanks, will check (on that free time I have heheh) 15:22 * Joubu missed the big bugs stuffs... 15:22 tcohen Joubu: only rancor was mentioned 15:22 Joubu we absolutely need to test 13618 15:22 tcohen would you like to add something? 15:22 Joubu because I won't rebase it for months! 15:22 pianohacker tcohen: you find any of that "free time" stuff, make sure to share your source 15:22 pianohacker bug 13618 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 15:22 barton tcohen: silly question, but where do I look to see if one of my patches has broken jenkins? is 'prove' enough? 15:23 Joubu and I have provided a quick patch on bug 14778, because it was blocker for everybody 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Get rid of DBIx::Connector 15:23 Joubu now there is a patch 15:23 Joubu and nobody cares 15:23 pianohacker barton: there's a link in the email that takes you to the jenkins site, and you can see the test output there 15:23 tcohen jenkins is sending emails to patch authors since it started failing 15:24 tcohen it doesn't know what patch broke things 15:24 tcohen (i.e. is not bisecting the git repo) 15:24 pianohacker Joubu: how sure are we that bug 13618 covers all the areas that output HTML? 15:25 pianohacker Joubu: and I think everyone very much cares but has no idea what is wrong 15:25 Joubu no way to know 15:25 reiveune bye 15:25 Joubu if we don't manage to make DBI::Mock works, since kick it out 15:26 Joubu s/since/then 15:26 tcohen Joubu: I agree 15:26 pianohacker does TestBuilder at least partially remove the need for it? 15:26 Joubu ye 15:26 Joubu yes 15:26 tcohen hmm 15:27 Joubu say yes 15:27 Joubu more or less 15:27 tcohen I think there is a conflict 15:27 Joubu but the tests using the DB Mock are not very useful 15:27 tcohen because TestBuilder is used for 'integration tests', in the sense that they need data on the DB, and things like that 15:27 tcohen Unit tests on t/ should actually mock everything+} 15:28 tcohen the fact that we are reaching DBIx::Class on some tests that are mocking DBI, is a symptom that we have mixed things too much 15:28 Joubu the tests using it could cover more use cases if they were DB dpes 15:28 Joubu deps 15:28 tcohen I'd say we shouldn't be using DBI::Mock on t/db_dependent 15:28 pianohacker there's only 6 tests that use DBD::Mock, but 4 of them (Koha, Biblio, Calendar and Members/cardnumber) are non-db-dependent 15:29 Joubu pianohacker: did you test the patchset on a customer's server? 15:29 * ashimema is catching back up 15:29 pianohacker Joubu: no, the site where we were experiencing issues has gone quiet for reasons we don't entirely understand :/ 15:29 Joubu pianohacker: I have much more occurrences 15:30 Joubu t/Acquisition/Invoice.t for instance 15:30 tcohen pianohacker: every test file that uses t::lib::Mocks 15:30 pianohacker ohhhh, shoot. 15:30 tcohen the problem is mixing things 15:32 John Johnster 15:32 tcohen ok 15:33 tcohen #info 14778 is very important and needs urgent feedback 15:33 Joubu Note that it's not important for me :) 15:33 ashimema also on my todo pile is that bug ;) 15:33 ashimema 'tis for me 15:33 John I'm just happy that I got an install up and running--with one notable exception! 15:34 ashimema but need to get the customers test server up to date before I can get them to test it 15:34 tcohen thanks ashimema 15:34 Brooke o/ 15:35 tcohen ok, I think it is time to move on 15:35 tcohen #topic Set time of next meeting 15:36 tcohen #info there will be at least one more dev meeting, tcohen might call for a topic-specific dev meeting if there is something urgent that needs feedback 15:36 tcohen #info please communicate fluently regarding bugs and things that might hit the next release 15:37 tcohen thanks everyone for attending and specially for volunteering, you all rock 15:38 nengard thanks tcohen 15:38 tcohen #endmeeting 15:38 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 15:38:05 2015 UTC. 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One less articulation. ;) 15:46 tcohen hi Brooke 15:46 Brooke what's up? 15:46 tcohen lunch time here 15:46 tcohen so pretty hungry 15:46 Brooke yeah, I just had a steak quesadilla. 15:47 Brooke if you are at home, I know that there are plenty of good places you could theoretically eat :D 15:47 Joubu so pretty thirsty 15:47 * Joubu heads to the pub 15:47 Joubu bye 15:49 Brooke see you! 15:55 ashimema where abouts in scouseland are you Joubu..? 15:55 * ashimema wonders if he knows the pub ;) 16:19 mveron Good evening / daytime #koha 16:26 drojf hi mveron 16:27 mveron hi drojf :-) 16:28 drojf how are things going in allschwil? 16:48 mveron drojf: Sorry, was diving into a bg... Hmm, it's getting colder: 16:48 mveron @wunder Alslchwil 16:48 huginn mveron: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 16:48 mveron @wunder Allschwil 16:49 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 7.0°C (6:30 PM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 16:51 mveron drojf: Loads of work and a little bit tired. I try to clean up some bugs from the C4::Dates series... 16:51 mveron drojf: And in Berlin? 16:58 mveron @wunder Berlin 16:58 huginn mveron: Error: No such location could be found. 16:58 mveron @wunder Berlin, GErmany 16:58 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 7.0°C (6:50 PM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 17:07 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 17:07 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 7.0°C (6:50 PM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 17:07 drojf mveron: got really cold here too 17:08 drojf and tired ;) hope to have time for some bugs next week. lots of other things coming in the way 17:09 mveron drojf: Tomorrow I'm invited to "Schreck am See", we will have to walk up the mountain, they expect snow there... 17:09 mveron www.schreckamsee.ch 17:11 drojf "Himmlische Genüsse und höllische Gefühle" sounds like fun :D 17:11 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 17:11 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 32.2°C (2:10 PM ART on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 17:11 tcohen @seen Joubu 17:11 huginn tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Joubu> bye 17:11 drojf @wunder thessaloniki 17:11 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 18.0°C (7:50 PM EEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 17:12 tcohen @seen marlcelr 17:12 huginn tcohen: I have not seen marlcelr. 17:12 tcohen huginn: you know what I meant 17:12 huginn tcohen: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 17:12 tcohen @seen marcelr 17:12 huginn tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 20 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <marcelr> clear enough 17:46 * cait waves 17:46 * pianohacker ckab sevaw 17:47 cait huh? 17:51 pianohacker ti tuoba kniht 17:51 liw hyvää syntymättömyyspäivää kohalle 17:52 pianohacker ilo Koha li pona 17:56 * magnuse waves in norwegian 17:56 magnuse is/was there a meeting today? 17:57 cait yes and yes i think 17:57 cait missed it too - too busy 17:58 cait ut there should be another in 3 hours i think 18:03 magnuse ok 18:04 magnuse yup, 3 hours until the next one: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_October_2015 18:20 tcohen magnuse: we volunteered you for package maintenance 18:20 tcohen and you even agreed! 19:04 * cait struggles packing for an overnight trip 19:09 tcohen bye #koha 19:09 rangi i heard whispers gmcharlt might do package stuff? 19:09 tcohen hehe, that'd be awesome! 19:09 gmcharlt rangi: eythian caught me in a weak moment 19:09 rangi heh 19:10 tcohen gmcharlt++ 19:15 cait gmcharlt: can you package my bag for tomorrow too? :) 19:19 liw cait, do you have a packing list? are you trying to stuff too much into the bag? are you filling a suitcase with salmiakki candy and have no space for clothes? 19:21 rangi heh 19:22 liw (http://liw.fi/travel/ is my checklist) 19:22 cait heh 19:22 cait I only have hand luggage and no idea what to wear - typical problems i guess :) 19:23 liw (http://files.liw.fi/temp/suitcase.jpg is my suitcase half-filled with salmiakki candy) 19:23 cait i am travelling to sweden... 19:23 cait wonder what is the typical thing there :) 19:24 rangi fish 19:24 liw http://www.onebag.com/ is one of the sites that turned me from a panic-attacky travel-hater to someone who just hates airlines and airplanes and airports 19:24 rangi swedish fish 19:24 cait liw: my suitcases to kohacon usually look somewhat like this - but with chocolates 19:24 cait heh 19:24 liw cait, the top right quadrant is salmiakki chocolate :) 19:24 cait interesting! 19:24 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:29 bag :) 19:29 cait not sure about this case wahanui 19:32 gmcharlt cait: bag tends to wriggle a lot whenever I try to package him 19:32 gmcharlt ;) 19:34 cait lol 19:34 bag ;) 19:34 cait i guess now we found out what the problem is 19:36 cait bag might be too heavy for hand luggage... only 8kg 19:36 bag I’m trying :) getting closer 19:37 cait liw: your electronics list is very telling :) 19:38 cait bag: i hope not :) 19:39 liw cait, I get really annoyed if I forget to bring, say, a charger with me :) 19:41 cait understandable :) 19:41 cait i have to leave my laptop behind - i thurts 19:42 cait it hurts 19:44 liw what's the point of travelling to faraway lands if I can't go hide in a hotel room and talk on irc all the time? 19:44 cait it's too heavy, i have a smaller one from work to take with me 19:44 cait but it's just not the same :) 19:45 cait and no koha on it to play with! 20:13 pianohacker brain is hurt, when is dev meeting part 2? 20:16 cait 45 mins 20:17 pianohacker thanks cait 20:17 Francesca @wunder wlg 20:17 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 15, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 20:17 rangi im gonna be in a meeting with clients 20:44 tcohen hi 21:05 wnickc meeting? 21:05 wahanui i think meeting is in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then 21:07 cait oh i tihnk so 21:07 cait tcohen: i haven't read back yet :( 21:08 tcohen hi everyone 21:09 eythian hi 21:09 wahanui hi, eythian 21:09 tcohen #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 October 2015 - part 2 21:09 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 14 21:09:44 2015 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:09 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:09 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_2' 21:09 tcohen #topic Introductions 21:09 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:10 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 21:10 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ 21:10 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 21:10 wnickc #info Nick Clemens, VOKAL Consortium 21:10 tcohen ok, a couple more minutes just in case anyone else is around 21:11 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 21:11 mtompset Who is the 3.20.x maintainer again? 21:11 tcohen his name is Chris Cormack 21:11 cait heh 21:11 tcohen heh 21:11 mtompset vi /t/db_dependent/Circulation.t 21:12 eythian never heard of him 21:12 mtompset -- /<<<<< 21:12 tcohen ah. merge conflict markers? 21:12 mtompset Yes 21:12 mtompset Is there a patch for that? 21:12 tcohen we are beginning a meeting 21:13 mtompset Oh, is this the second one? 21:13 tcohen mtompset: I think he can do a quick and dirty followup if you leave him a @later 21:13 cait meeting? :) 21:14 tcohen #topic RM 3.22 comments 21:14 mtompset @later tell rangi t/db_dependent/Circulation.t has merge conflict markers in it. Shall I put patch up on bugzilla? 21:14 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 21:14 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett 21:14 tcohen did you all read the logs? 21:15 * cait hides 21:15 tcohen (of course you did) 21:15 mtompset Not yet. 21:15 eythian http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_1.2015-10-14-14.08.log.html <-- in case you need to 21:15 tcohen ok, I apologized to people with patches on the PQA queue 21:15 pianohacker no wizzyrea? 21:15 wahanui i guess no wizzyrea is not. 21:15 tcohen read the logs for that, i apologize, that's it 21:15 eythian pianohacker: no, she's busy this morning 21:16 pianohacker curses :/ 21:16 tcohen I forgot (again) 21:16 eythian she'll be back in the arvo most likely 21:16 tcohen #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_October_2015 21:16 tcohen that's the agenda 21:16 pianohacker arvo? 21:16 pianohacker afternoon? 21:16 wahanui i heard afternoon was good 21:16 eythian yeah 21:16 eythian lrn2english ;) 21:16 tcohen ok, meeting 21:16 pianohacker wahanui: arvo is afternoon 21:16 wahanui OK, pianohacker. 21:17 mtj #info Mason James, NZ 21:17 mtj hi folks 21:17 tcohen 3.22 is in good shape, some minor issues are raised by jenkins (devs, please take a look just in case is your fault or just want to fix something to feel good) 21:18 tcohen my main concern is the lack of testing the plack integration into the packages has 21:18 tcohen we can always put a big note saying "try at your own risk", but I think it is worth investing time on this last sprint 21:19 tcohen we've even set a kohadevbox:ansible branch so people can test it out of the box 21:19 cait tcohen++ 21:19 eythian I'll see about giving it a review if I get the chance 21:19 eythian (I'll try to make the chance) 21:19 tcohen the main outstanding issues are integration issues 21:20 tcohen there seems to be a problem with headers, that ends with Koha generating wrong links 21:20 tcohen see bug 15005 21:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs 21:20 mtompset are you talking about a branch on Magnus' kohadev box git? 21:20 tcohen it is tricky to solve 21:20 tcohen mtompset: exactly 21:20 tcohen #link http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/12362 21:21 mtompset I do have Magnus' kohadevbox. I haven't touched it lately. :) 21:22 tcohen this kohadevbox branch just does things simpler (in some way) 21:22 tcohen and lets koha-plack handle the plack configuration/management 21:22 tcohen so it is more suitable for testing the plack integration on the packages 21:22 tcohen without breaking peoples' kohadevbox which everyone loves 21:22 tcohen ok? 21:23 * cait nods 21:23 tcohen i'm not pushing for this specific kohadevbox now, I'm just saying that it is the easiest way to test the plack integration 21:23 mtompset But isn't the kohadevbox meant for breaking? :) 21:24 tcohen they don't have feature-parity so in some scenarios it doesn't replace the original one, ok? 21:24 tcohen we could, eventually, who knows, do it, but is not the point right now 21:24 tcohen patches are accepted (jonathan already contributed fixes) 21:25 tcohen anyway, please test plack, and help us figure how to solve bug 15005 21:25 tcohen you will earns cookies from jcamins 21:25 tcohen which are the best 21:25 tcohen ever 21:25 tcohen questions? 21:25 wahanui questions are good :) 21:26 cait you mentioned a bywater server for testing plack in the other meeting? 21:26 tcohen ah, yes 21:26 bag yes 21:26 * cait was waiting for that heh 21:26 tcohen ByWater provided a server in which we will do some stress tests 21:27 tcohen i'll send an email to the list once it is set 21:27 tcohen (expect it for tomorrow morning) 21:27 tcohen if there aren't any more questions... 21:27 tcohen - please test master 21:28 tcohen - please test the plack integration 21:28 tcohen - please fix all the bugs 21:28 tcohen :-D 21:28 bag in reverse order 21:28 cait i might be able to do some stress testing while travelling, I iwll try 21:28 cait it's just... try all the things work right? 21:28 cait just... 21:28 eythian that's all, not hard :) 21:28 liz hi 21:28 wahanui kia ora, liz 21:28 cait hehe 21:28 tcohen yes, I already noticed a problem with the label batch creator 21:29 tcohen didn't fill a bug yet :-/ 21:29 cait something specific that needs testing still? or a certain area? 21:29 tcohen file upload received a major refactoring on this release 21:29 tcohen it should be tested 21:29 liz what was the problem with the batch creator? 21:29 tcohen also cataloguing plugins 21:29 tcohen liz: in plack 21:30 liz oh coolio 21:30 tcohen when you create a batch, you don't 21:30 tcohen heh 21:30 liz ouch. 21:30 bag I think if we have many different people trying to break it - we’ll find the spots 21:30 tcohen bag: agreed 21:30 bag once it’s ready I will help break 21:31 tcohen eythian: we might need Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxyPath 21:31 tcohen it will depend on how we solve that bug 21:31 tcohen ok, shall we? 21:32 tcohen #topic RESTful API Implementation 21:32 eythian tcohen: thought we had that already, but sure 21:32 tcohen during part 1 21:32 tcohen (eythian, will recheck) 21:32 tcohen we had a long discussion about the REST api implementation 21:33 tcohen jonathan was afraid (and several were) that people were not actually 21:33 tcohen trying to code new endpoints 21:33 tcohen and there wasn't a clear path on how to do it (guidelines 21:33 tcohen for controller scripts, for swagger files, etc) 21:33 * ashimema made lots of promises to add documentation, guidelines and code examples 21:33 mtompset I'm not touching REST, because I don't know Mojo or swagger. 21:34 tcohen it is all spreaded in the RFC, on BZ comments, etc 21:34 cait ashimema: so you did :) 21:34 ashimema mtompset... my aim in the guidlines is to make it as trivial as possible to code up a controller without having had prior experience with either swagger or mojo 21:34 tcohen jOnathan is actively working on figuring how to do things, and he even posted an implementation (backend and UI tweaks) for handling cities 21:34 ashimema aid in adoption 21:35 tcohen bug 14974 21:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities 21:35 tcohen mtompset: Jonathan's is a good example 21:35 tcohen the swagger files need to be splitted so they are maintainable, etc 21:36 * ashimema will be posting followups to showcase more on that bug ;) 21:36 tcohen that's what the guidelines are about: how to do things well and avoid (as much as possible) added technical debt 21:36 tcohen Kyle volunteered to create a wiki page, and Martin (ashimema) to solve all our problems 21:37 tcohen =D 21:37 cait ashimema++ kyleh++ 21:37 tcohen khall++ ashimema++ 21:37 tcohen Joubu++ 21:37 bag :) 21:37 pianohacker and I volunteered to rewrite Koha in Perl 6 21:37 tcohen ah, I forgot! 21:37 bag in twice the number of lines 21:38 pianohacker of course 21:38 tcohen rewrite it in Perl 6 making it backwards compatible with Perl 5.6 21:38 ashimema perl 6 prototypes are 'interesting' 21:38 ashimema anywho 21:38 tcohen pianohacker volunteered too, to work on this 21:38 pianohacker yup yup 21:38 mtompset I think the marking... sigils?... aren't backward compatible. 21:39 pianohacker but yeah, anywho 21:39 cait pianohacker++ 21:39 tcohen pianohacker++ 21:39 tcohen questions about this? issues? 21:39 cait khall++ # correcting my typo 21:40 pianohacker tcohen: looks good 21:40 tcohen ok 21:40 tcohen eythian? liz? mtompset? 21:40 eythian yes? 21:40 tcohen comments on the REST thing? 21:40 liz um, please feel free to add me to the CC on anything you think needs backporting to 3.18 and I'll give it a go. 21:40 liz nope 21:40 tcohen ok 21:40 eythian not really, haven't looked at it for a while. 21:41 mtompset Not really. Still don't have time to touch it. 21:41 tcohen eythian: we decided that it needed to be simplified 21:41 tcohen and Julian worked on that 21:41 eythian Yeah, I'm very very pro that idea. 21:41 liz start small, dream big 21:41 liz :) 21:41 tcohen we still didn't provide patches for integrating it to plack-on-packages 21:41 * cait is too 21:42 cait small steps are great steps 21:42 tcohen yes, we got rid of rewriting C4::Auth 21:42 tcohen and reinventing Oauth2 too 21:42 liz phew 21:42 liz thanks for that 21:42 tcohen so it is simple now, it shares authentication and authorization mechanisms 21:42 tcohen with the rest of the codebase 21:43 eythian good 21:43 tcohen and if someone dares to rewrite C4::Auth 21:43 tcohen he/she can, following our workflow, and should have good reasons to do it 21:44 eythian it is something I want to do, it's a bit of an ugly monster 21:44 mtompset It needs a rewrite so that things like authentication fallback order can be implemented. :) 21:44 tcohen it is not a bad idea, but we cannot rewrite the whole project to have something as simple as a REST api 21:44 eythian no 21:44 eythian it'd be its own thing 21:45 tcohen BTW: kivilathio already wrote the code, it is a separate bug and anyone can comment on that and even provide followups, etc 21:45 tcohen eythian: exactly 21:45 * cait nods 21:45 tcohen ok 21:46 tcohen i grab this from part 1 21:46 tcohen #info Jonathan worked on his own REST implementation test-drive on bug 14974, please, Mojo/Swagger/REST experts take a look and provide feedback 21:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities 21:47 tcohen I recall, pianohacker volunteered for implementing full port to dbic 21:47 tcohen #topic 'Big stuff we are working on' 21:48 tcohen eythian: something to say about ES? 21:48 eythian sure 21:48 eythian first, big ++ to Joubu for helping work on it 21:49 tcohen Joubu++ 21:49 liz joubu++ 21:49 cait Joubu++ 21:49 cait eythian++ too 21:49 eythian otherwise, it's in need of more testing, and more polish. I'm currently working on filing off the burrs, I think the bulk of the features are complete, though no doubt more will be found that were missed as people test. 21:49 tcohen eythian++ 21:50 eythian for the next day or two I'm going to be making sure that zebra still works so it can be merged in without risking anything breaking. 21:50 bag that sounds good 21:50 tcohen sounds great 21:51 bag something we could push that is OFF by default 21:51 eythian totallyu yeah 21:51 eythian -u 21:51 tcohen cool 21:51 cait eythian: is the demo up to date currently with the latest patches? 21:51 eythian cait: it's close, but not quite. 21:51 eythian I'll do that today 21:51 bag awesome 21:51 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, bag 21:51 bag awesome 21:52 tcohen eythian: one integration question 21:52 tcohen does it consider the multi-instance scenario? 21:52 eythian yes 21:52 tcohen (will it work on the packages?) 21:52 tcohen ok 21:52 tcohen single ES? 21:52 eythian yep 21:52 eythian the index base name is defined in koha-conf 21:53 eythian and will be generated from the instance name, like the database name is 21:53 tcohen ah, just like memcached namespaces 21:53 eythian yeah, exactly 21:53 tcohen perfect 21:53 cait eythian: are there some easy notes how to get it running yet somewhere? wiki? 21:53 cait or still too many things changing? 21:54 eythian I think there already are instructions on the wiki 21:54 eythian not much that would affect things is changing. 21:54 bag I’ve found it quite simple cait 21:54 cait ok 21:54 bag you can ping me if you have trouble 21:54 bag I will help 21:54 cait i am travelling a lot until feature slush... but will try to put in as much time as I can 21:54 cait hm a lot before... 21:54 eythian cool :) 21:54 bag sounds good 21:54 cait well, will have to do several things, but try to do as much as i can on each :) 21:55 eythian Reminds me, I do need to do a bit of work on the dependencies 21:55 tcohen #chair cait 21:55 huginn Current chairs: cait tcohen 21:56 tcohen :-D have to leave, urgently 21:56 tcohen sorry guys! 21:56 cait um 21:56 pianohacker :D 21:56 eythian surprise! 21:56 cait ok 21:56 pianohacker cait++ 21:56 tcohen please read the last logs and comment on those bugs 21:56 * mtompset laughs. 21:56 cait someone reminds me where we are in the agenda? :) 21:56 liz big things we are working on I think 21:56 eythian the "big things" stage 21:56 liz jinx 21:56 mtompset Elastic search. "big things" 21:57 cait one sec 21:57 cait ok 21:57 cait found the log 21:57 cait some big stuff has been pushed recently 21:57 pianohacker rancor is still a creature from star wars, still a cataloging editor, still getting bugs fixed and I'm still trying to get it ready for the slush 21:57 cait file-upload capabilities and refactoring 21:57 cait OAI implementation changes 21:58 bag pianohacker: talked about rancor - same kind of deal - pushed in as defaulted off 21:58 cait bug 14321 21:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Merge UploadedFile and UploadedFiles into Koha::Upload 21:58 cait bug 14893 21:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Separate temporary storage per instance in Upload.pm 21:58 bag pianohacker++ 21:58 pianohacker :) 21:58 mtompset Oh... that looks like a bug I should look at. 21:58 cait bag: pianohacker: i'd like osmeone to test if it doesn't break records/items 21:59 cait as a small thing out of a bit test plan that i think we need to make really sure of 21:59 bag we’ve got a library using it - so that’s totally possible cait 21:59 bag would that work for you? 21:59 cait of course 21:59 bag excellent that we can do 22:00 cait i think Joubu has also done some testing - there might be still problems with UNIMARC, but not sure 22:00 cait he left some comments on the bug 22:00 bag pianohacker any update on your work with Joubu on that? 22:00 pianohacker not yet, will be working on his and other comments on the bug today and tomorrow 22:00 cait :) 22:01 bag :) 22:01 cait there is another bug, mentioned in part 1 22:01 cait bug 15005 22:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs 22:01 cait 'is really tricky to solve, with possible integration issues, and requires expert eyes' 22:01 cait tomas also offered to help anyone willing to test plack with setting up a suitable test environment 22:02 eythian cait: we covered that 22:02 cait oops 22:02 cait went to the wrong place in the logs... 22:02 cait ok 22:02 cait anything else big someone wants to mention then? :) 22:03 cait some big plans for the next release? :) 22:03 cait ok, then i am moving on 22:03 cait #topic Specific bugs that need feedback 22:03 cait bug 13618 22:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 22:04 cait please test! 22:04 cait and help get rid of the xss problems once and for all (hopefully) 22:04 cait bug 14778 22:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Get rid of DBIx::Connector 22:05 cait and then there was some discussion about DBI::Mock that you should read up on in the logs about 22:05 cait other bugs? 22:05 cait echo? 22:05 wahanui echo? 22:06 pianohacker echo? 22:06 wahanui echo? 22:06 cait ok, someone is still here apart from wahanui :) 22:06 cait moving on then 22:06 cait #topic set date and time of next meeting 22:06 cait #info there will be at least one more dev meeting, tcohen might call for a topic-specific dev meeting if there is something urgent that needs feedback 22:06 cait #info please communicate fluently regarding bugs and things that might hit the next release 22:06 cait #endmeeting 22:06 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 22:06:54 2015 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 22:06 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_2.2015-10-14-21.09.html 22:06 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_2.2015-10-14-21.09.txt 22:06 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_2.2015-10-14-21.09.log.html 22:06 eythian hmm 22:07 eythian you missed an "anything else to add" stage :/ 22:07 cait oh 22:07 cait i asked fo an echo... 22:07 eythian yeah, about other bugs 22:07 cait (00:05:27) cait: other bugs? 22:07 mtompset echo? 22:07 wahanui echo? 22:07 mtompset Sorry... lots of screens are distracting. :) 22:08 cait i did - but maybe not clearly 22:08 eythian I was going to add that I had successfully blackmailed gmcharlt into being the new package maintainer. 22:08 eythian cait: very not clearly :) 22:08 cait oh! 22:08 liz nice 22:08 cait gmcharlt++ 22:08 liz gmcharlt++ 22:08 pianohacker gmcharlt++ 22:08 cait there is also somehting else we forgot 22:09 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.24 22:10 liz oh I'm happy to stay on RMaint for 3.18 22:10 eythian cait: http://youknowyouregermanwhen.com/ 22:10 eythian > You don’t see how “Streichholzschächtelchen†would be difficult to pronounce. 22:10 mtompset Will we lose 3.18.x as packages when 3.22 comes out (as we only had oldstable/stable)? 22:10 eythian yes 22:11 mtompset What's the ETA on 3.22? November? 22:11 bag I think november 26th or something 22:12 mtompset okay. 22:12 mtj peeps, i think i might step down from 3.16.x rmaint, when 3.22 is released 22:12 bag hiya mtj 22:12 mtompset So I have to finish my current problem before November 26. :) 22:12 bag makes sense mason 22:13 mtj hey, bag.. yeah 22:13 bag hey kathryn we just got a message from overdrive 22:13 bag but it’s useless 22:13 bag sigh 22:14 liz seems like overdrive's customers need to contact them and say "get off your butts and help these people or we'll cancel" 22:14 kathryn bag heya...yeah... 22:14 bag agreed 22:15 bag well we just scored the owners phone number yesterday - we did threaten calling him if they don’t respond 22:20 kathryn will be watching out for the next installment... 22:22 bag eythian++ 22:22 bag thanks man - I’m a little more encouraged about what you said about ES and some prospect of 3.22 inculsion 22:22 bag eythian++ 22:23 wnickc g'night all 22:23 eythian yeah, if we can be sure that it won't cause zebra breakage, but could be mostly functional, then it might be feasible. 22:47 drojf hi #koha 22:48 drojf did i miss the third meeting within a week? wow 22:51 eythian good work drojf :) 22:51 drojf eythian: thanks! 22:51 eythian http://youknowyouregermanwhen.com/ <-- drojf, I sent it to cait already :) 22:52 cait ... i think afer missing 3 meetings in a week... he might not be german after all :P 22:53 drojf "Your CV is not just a summary of your work experience, but rather a book depicting everything about your personal life, details about your children, your political interests, the names and professions of your parents and everything else you ever did in your entire life." 22:53 drojf as someone who just updated his CV, that is pretty accurate 22:54 drojf cait: i would have been pünktlich if i had noted it somewhere 22:54 cait so you were not organisiert! 22:54 pianohacker heh, where you get subtly and implicitly accused of being an egotistical bastard if you have a resume longer than a page in the states :) 22:54 pianohacker be back much later 22:54 pianohacker stay frosty 22:54 eythian here ~3 pages is normal 22:54 drojf eythian: is the catalyst ES demo gone? and the fancy NYTProf thingy too 22:54 eythian drojf: ...no? 22:55 drojf http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 22:55 eythian hmm 22:55 eythian oh 22:55 eythian I was messing with it yesterday 22:55 eythian I probably broke something 22:56 drojf that would not have happened with german engineering :D 22:57 eythian heh 22:57 drojf "You know you're German when... You understand Dutch just fine, but you pretend you don’t understand a single word of it." 22:57 drojf lol. nobody understands dutch 22:58 eythian so, I've found that the drunker you are, the easier it is to understand 22:58 drojf true for a lot of things 22:58 drojf maybe everything 22:58 drojf lol 22:59 eythian doesn't help with german. no one can understand that. 22:59 drojf you are just jealous because you are not a Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän 23:00 eythian it's true 23:00 wahanui I saw it on Digg! 23:01 eythian for some reason the virtual hosting has gone weird 23:01 tcohen ? 23:01 eythian and if anyone tells me to disable the default site, there will be a stabbing. 23:02 tcohen did i miss something? 23:02 eythian nothiong important 23:02 tcohen what is the vhost problem? 23:02 eythian that it's not working :) 23:02 drojf i was planning to print shirts with "i a2dissite default" 23:02 tcohen apache2ctl -D DUMP_VHOSTS 23:02 tcohen always helps 23:03 eythian oh, I didn't know that 23:03 eythian ahh 23:03 eythian so 23:03 eythian I changed the machine name to be fully qualified 23:03 eythian and so now that matches the default site. 23:04 eythian that seems like a flaw in the default config 23:04 eythian ironically, disabling the default site here is probably the best solution. 23:05 eythian drojf: back now 23:06 eythian that -D DUMP_VHOSTS is super handy, it should be the default thing people are asked to do when they get the wrong site or a "it works" page or whatever 23:07 drojf eythian: great, thanks 23:49 tcohen bye everyone, picking the wife at the football training site