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2019-07-10

14:01 ashimema #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 10 July 2019
14:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jul 10 14:01:38 2019 UTC.  The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
14:01 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_10_july_2019'
14:01 ashimema #topic Introductions
14:01 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
14:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:02 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
14:03 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre France
14:03 ashimema #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_10_July_2019 Agenda
14:04 ashimema I'm sure cait was here a minute ago
14:05 cait oh yes
14:05 ashimema coudl be a short one if that's all we've got
14:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:06 * cait pings random people
14:06 cait rmaints?
14:07 cait nothing fromme
14:07 fridolin I made a new plugin https://github.com/biblibre/ko[…]heme-intranet-lsd
14:07 ashimema #info The first set of maintanence releases have gone out since the last meeting.. Thanks to the RMaints :)
14:07 * tcohen is heading downtown, sorry
14:08 calire left #koha
14:11 ashimema rmaints?
14:11 wahanui rmaints is, like, fridolin, lucas and wizzyrea
14:11 * ashimema grr, forgot to info my update
14:11 cait heh
14:11 wizzyrea #info liz rea
14:12 wizzyrea things are going along from my point of view
14:12 ashimema any updates fridolin
14:13 ashimema no worries :)
14:13 ashimema ok.. moving onto QA then
14:13 cait #info maintenance releases are moving along nicely
14:13 ashimema #topic Updates from the QA team
14:13 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
14:13 cait we are a bit low on QA time right now is my general feeling
14:14 cait #info Number of bad bugs on the dashboard are too high - 3 blockers, 4 criticals, 22 majors
14:14 wizzyrea ohh that's gross
14:14 * wizzyrea makes a note
14:14 cait #info Please focus on bugs for now if time is low - we need to make sure they are taken care of
14:15 cait it's not only QA there, missing patches, SO.... a mix
14:15 cait so really everyone can help there  ;)
14:16 cait I've also inlcuded some new contributors in my weekly QA email, there are quite a few in NSO
14:16 cait please be nice
14:16 cait #info Be nice to people starting out - new contributors :)
14:16 ashimema there's a few in NSO and more in need of some code submitting
14:17 cait ashimema: that's correct - it's really an all-community-task
14:22 ashimema #topic Mana-KB Workflows
14:22 Topic for #koha is now Mana-KB Workflows (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
14:22 ashimema #info Looking for some guidance on how to progress ManaKB serverside bugs
14:22 ashimema perhaps best to postpone that one again then..
14:23 fridolin alex is on holidays
14:24 cait can we add a note?
14:24 cait https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]te_Administration is missing infromation for Hea and Mana
14:24 ashimema #info Postponed discussion as the key parties are not in attendance
14:24 cait I'd really like to have some information on the provider and who to talk
14:25 cait #info Note for later: Update/complate https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]te_Administration for Mana and Hea
14:25 cait complete...
14:25 ashimema thanks
14:25 Topic for #koha is now Road to Mojolicious (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
14:26 lukeG joined #koha
14:26 ashimema #info I'll be starting to look at bug 23161 in the next couple of weeks with a view to persuing pushing it early next month
14:26 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23161 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , We need to document the release process for this project?
14:26 inlibro joined #koha
14:26 ashimema #info Correction, that was meant to be bug 20582
14:26 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20582 enhancement, P5 - low, Future, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Turn Koha into a Mojolicious application
14:27 cait not only me today :)
14:29 Topic for #koha is now Git maintanence (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
14:29 ashimema ack, no Joubu.. he was meant to be leading the charge on this one.
14:29 ashimema #info The gitlab mirror is currently failing to mirror correctly as our main repository is so large.
14:29 cait oh
14:29 ashimema #info This really just highlights that the repository is still growing at an alarming rate and as such many of our tools are starting to struggle.
14:30 ashimema rangi has already proposed we move the translations into their own repository
14:30 thd It may also highlight potential problems with Gitlab overhead.
14:49 ashimema yeah, that's also a good idea cait
14:49 ashimema shall we move onto the next topic for now?
14:50 ashimema #info Martin will send something to the dev mailing list regarding git maintanence proposals
14:50 thd Given that the vast majority of the problem comes from translation history I presume that preserving translations monolithically would be liable to recreate the same problem for translations at a later point if not immediately.
14:50 ashimema #info Martin will try to clarify the existing git splitting page
14:50 ashimema #info We will keep this as a standing topic on the agenda whilst it's still in progress
14:51 ashimema perhaps thd.. but it's a problem that will affect fewer people
14:52 ashimema the main effects at this point in time are issues with devbox and things struggling to cope with the size of the main repo..
14:52 thd If a koha-legacy is created would it not be better to then also have separate repositories for each translation to constrain history size?
14:58 ashimema I propose to write such a guideline and take a vote on it next meeting (forgot to do a draft for this meeting)
14:59 cait +1
14:59 ashimema #info We introduced a base class for scripts in bug 22600 - We should add a guideline to facilitate it's maintanence.
14:59 ashimema :)
15:00 ashimema ok.. I'll write it up for next meeting.. apologies I'm bhind
15:05 cait maybe
15:05 cait not quite the topic i know a lot about :)
15:05 ashimema #info Further discussion postponed pending knowledable parties.
15:05 ashimema #topic Revise JS guideline JS8 to recomment ESLint
15:05 Topic for #koha is now Revise JS guideline JS8 to recomment ESLint (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
15:08 ashimema lets move onto the last topic
15:08 thd Well, if that is really correct and widely applicable for other contexts of Boolean use as well then great.  ... moving
15:08 ashimema #info Posponed discussion as oleonard is absent
15:09 ashimema #topic Set time of next meeting
15:09 Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
15:19 thd I like 19.30 ;)
15:19 cait keep people on their toes ;)
15:20 ashimema #info Next meeting: 24 July 2019, 19:30 UTC
15:20 ashimema done :)
15:20 thd People may need special notice to show up not too early and leave :)
20:04 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 10 July 2019
20:04 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jul 10 20:04:27 2019 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:04 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:04 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
20:04 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_10_july_2019'
20:04 cait #topic Introductions
20:04 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
20:04 cait Please introduce yourself using #info
20:04 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_10_July_2019 Today's agenda
20:04 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
20:05 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, NZ
20:05 Charles_Quain #info Charles Quain, Interleaf Technology
20:05 * ashimema tries to listen in
20:05 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-E
20:05 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
20:05 ashimema thanks for stepping into the breach cait
20:05 rangi can we add kohacon20 to the agenda cait ?
20:05 cait no worries
20:05 cait yep
20:05 cait do you want to add it to wiki?
20:05 rangi just at the end is fine
20:05 rangi will do
20:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
20:05 cait thx
20:06 Charles_Quain And add what to do with the KohaCon19 surplus?
20:06 cait moving on
20:06 cait ah, waiting for davidnind
20:06 cait last chance to #info everyone :)
20:07 davidnind #info David Nind, New Zealand
20:07 cait #topic Announcements
20:07 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
20:07 davidnind just...
20:08 cait has it ever been different? :)
20:08 rangi nope :)
20:08 cait #info Registration for koha-US conference is open https://koha-us.org/2019/07/01[…]egistration-open/
20:08 ashimema Caroline was going to update us as to how the education meeting went wasn't she
20:08 bag There is a kohaus conference in September
20:08 davidnind #info Hackfest 2019 30 September to 4th Octoberhttps://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]-July/053277.html
20:08 bag cait++
20:09 ashimema oh.. she's also in the apologies
20:09 cait i'll repeat from earlier today
20:09 wizzyrea joined #koha
20:10 cait #info Maintenance releases are moving along nicely
20:10 cait wizzyrea: want to add something?
20:10 cait ok, moving on :)
20:10 lukeG joined #koha
20:11 cait ah, rmaints dropping in
20:11 ashimema #info Moving into pushing small to medium sized enhancements on master now - out of bugfix only freeze period :)
20:11 cait cool :)
20:11 cait moving on now
20:12 cait #topic Wiki
20:12 Topic for #koha is now Wiki (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
20:12 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea
20:12 cait all eyes on agenda - reading quickly now :)
20:13 davidnind We discussed at the documentation meeting, but my memory has faded already...
20:15 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23073 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmc, NEW , wiki.koha-community.org needs updating to a later version
20:15 Nemo_bis it doesn't? O_o
20:15 cait #info current wiki version is 1.16, dating back to 2011
20:15 Nemo_bis history is only deleted if the purge archive maintenance script is run
20:15 cait hi Nemo_bis, thx for chiming in
20:23 thd It was an historical mistake when a test became the only wiki running.
20:23 ashimema what puts you off mediawiki gmcharlt ?
20:23 cait #info current Mediawiki is running on PostgreSQL
20:24 ashimema I've found the recent editors in mediawiki pretty straighforward
20:24 rangi its big, its heavy, its wood
20:36 ashimema gmcharlt: Agree entirely
20:36 gmcharlt cait: yep, we'd will willing to set up another VM and host $newwiki
20:36 cait #info Equinox willing to continue hosting the wiki
20:37 cait #info Consensus on starting fresh with a plan to keep things organized
20:37 cait #info Wiki software to be discussed (continue with new Mediawiki, use Dokuwiki, use $wiki)
20:37 thd We might do what was suddenly not done when the old wiki went down which was to test different possibilities and choose what seems to work best with actual testing.
20:37 cait #action add Wiki and requirements/wish list for future to next educator's meeting
20:38 cait maybe if we have a wiki page set up we could collect some ideas
20:38 cait ok, so far so good?
20:44 ashimema me too
20:44 gmcharlt speaking of isntallation, I think we must come up with a better use for old Apollo guidance computers than mining bitcoin
20:44 cait #info Package installation is the recommended installation method
20:44 gmcharlt obvious, I hope folks get inspired to work on a Koha port ;)
20:44 davidnind my tape machine no longer works...
20:46 cait #idea have one official installation guide for a package installation, variations for devs in the wiki
20:47 davidnind success will be the official guide is the first google/bing/duckduck go result :)
20:47 cait #info remember to change links in the release note scripts once in place
20:47 cait is someone willing to clean up the package install gude for the manual?
20:48 davidnind I'm working through that with a local vm
21:02 bag ;)
21:02 rangi we have a venue booked, the national library of NZ
21:02 cait #info KohaCon website will be officially launched in a week or 2
21:03 rangi shortly we will be asking for volunteers to be part of the programme committee
21:03 cait #info venue is the National Library of NZ
21:03 Charles_Quain We have the (strangely precise) amount of €2386 left over from KohaCon19. Looking for ideas on how to use it to best advantage
21:03 rangi we are going to do the 3+1+1+2 format this time
21:03 paul_p joined #koha
21:03 cait #info Asking volunteers on the programme committee soon
21:03 rangi 3 days talks, 1 day culture, 1 day workshops, 2 days working together
21:03 ashimema 3,1,1,2?
21:05 rangi we are trying to be tricky
21:05 rangi bag: thats exactly what i was going to suggest
21:05 cait #info format will be 3 + 1 + 1  + 2 = conference + excursion + workshops + hackfest
21:06 Charles_Quain Would it be enough?
21:06 rangi Charles_Quain: it could be part
21:13 kathryn yup!
21:13 ashimema +1
21:13 cait #info Discussion on how to use the money raised at KohaCon19 to be continued
21:13 ashimema meanwhile I'm sure that money is in a safe account ;)
21:14 rangi we are planning to try to get sponsorship from outside the koha support company world
21:15 bag but I’d still love some Guinness
21:15 ashimema :)
21:15 cait feel free to #info any of that :)
21:15 rangi if you send a person, you get a logo :)
21:15 rangi so can still have a nice list of logos on the sponsorship page :)
21:15 cait rangi: can I info that?
21:15 kathryn that's a cool idea rangi
21:16 cait or #idea it
21:18 Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 10 July 2019)
21:18 cait short chance for veto: August 14th (second Wednesday) 13 UTC
21:19 cait #info Next meeting: 14 August 2019, 13 UTC
21:19 cait #endmeeting
21:19 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org
21:20 ashimema cait++
21:20 ashimema thanks
21:20 kathryn yeah I wasn't sure about crashing the meeting after #info !
21:21 ashimema always say hi ;)
21:21 cait we don't mind

2019-07-04

13:02 davidnind #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 4 July 2019
13:02 huginn` Meeting started Thu Jul  4 13:02:07 2019 UTC.  The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:02 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:02 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 July 2019)
13:02 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_4_july_2019'
13:02 davidnind #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_4_July_2019
13:02 davidnind #topic Introductions
13:02 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 July 2019)
13:03 davidnind #info David Nind, New Zealand
13:03 caroline_catlady #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
13:04 sophie_m joined #koha
13:04 AndyBoze #info Andy Boze, University of Notre Dame, USA
13:05 davidnind That looks all of us for today I think!
13:05 davidnind #chair caroline_catlady, AndyBoze
13:05 huginn` Current chairs: AndyBoze caroline_catlady davidnind
13:06 ashimema sorry, in a company meeting (in person) today
13:06 ashimema have a good meeting
13:06 ashimema #info Apologies, Martin Renvoize PTFS-E
13:06 davidnind no worries ashimema - you can read the minutes later!
13:07 davidnind Nothing to report really on all my action points...
13:11 AndyBoze I've been looking them over. I'll try to tackle at least some easy ones.
13:11 caroline_catlady AndyBoze++
13:12 davidnind #info Initial attempt at easy, medium and hard tasks http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-July/000251.html
13:13 caroline_catlady cool! I like the use of tags
13:13 davidnind We can see if that helps, let me know AndyBoze
13:14 AndyBoze Will do, davidnind
13:14 davidnind But I guess it is a start
13:14 cait @info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
13:14 huginn` cait: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids and RSS plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
13:14 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
13:14 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
13:14 davidnind Hi cait!
13:15 davidnind If it doesn't work I can do a wiki page!
13:15 cait sorry for being late - I think this might be missing from the official calendar?
13:20 caroline_catlady but people didn't know how to go about it
13:20 caroline_catlady I think that's a recurring theme...
13:21 davidnind #info Education meeting highlights https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]-June/053227.html
13:21 caroline_catlady Other things non-education related that I noted : we need a how-to setup Koha for newbies
13:22 caroline_catlady ok, that was just one thing, I thought I had more hehe!
14:07 AndyBoze 1 August works best for me. I have a meeting at this time on the 8th.
14:08 davidnind does it work ok for you caroline_catlady?
14:09 davidnind #info Next meeting 1 August 2019 13:00 UTC
14:09 davidnind can change if we need to, will check with Lucy about the time
14:09 davidnind #endmeeting

2019-06-26

19:00 ashimema #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019
19:00 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jun 26 19:00:17 2019 UTC.  The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:00 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
19:00 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019)
19:00 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_june_2019'
19:00 ashimema #topic Introductions
19:00 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019)
19:00 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
19:00 ashimema #chair cait
19:00 huginn` Current chairs: ashimema cait
19:00 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
19:00 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater
19:00 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
19:01 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library
19:01 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT Wellington NZ
19:01 ashimema as much as I was enjoying the cocktail chatter ;)
19:01 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Czech Republic
19:01 hayley #info Hayley Mapley Catalyst IT Wellington NZ
19:01 ashimema Nice to have some representation from NZ :).. hope this time is a bit better for you guys :)?
19:02 cait 7 am if i am not imstaken
19:02 davidnind joined #koha
19:02 alexbuckley yes 7am is much better :)
19:02 hayley That's right! It's a decent hour :)
19:02 cait opinions on that being a decent hour may vary :)
19:02 alexbuckley heh
19:02 hayley haha, true
19:03 davidnind #info David Nind
19:03 ashimema #topic Announcements
19:03 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019)
19:04 ashimema #info We have a new leaderboard on the dashboard - 'Rescues', let's gamify getting bugs out of Failed QA/Patch doesn't apply :)
19:04 cait ah
19:04 ashimema #link https://dashboard.koha-community.org Dashboard
19:10 oleonard Oh yeah it's on the calendar. Was there an official announcement?
19:10 cait sec i can find the email link too
19:11 ashimema #info Next Hackfest in the diary is Marseille, 30th Sept - 4th Oct 2019
19:11 cait taking a little longer to find the non-nabble link
19:12 ashimema #topic Update from the Release Manager
19:12 Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release Manager (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019)
19:12 ashimema #info We've started pushing small enhancements now, having been concentrating mostly on bugs for the last month.
19:13 ashimema I intend to continue with small enhancements, nothing earth shattering for a couple more weeks whilst 19.05.x is still bedding in, but then I hope to have a more adventurous window of a couple of months for the bigger new features and enhancements.
19:15 ashimema I've been trying to touch base with various parties who I know have things in the pipeline so I can help spread out SO/QA resources so let me know if you have anything like that (beware though.. throwing bugs at me to ask for SO/QA's on means I'll likely throw a few back for SO/QA from others) :)
19:18 ashimema Well, having touched base with fridolin this morning I believe their aiming for 19.05.01 release tomorrow
19:18 ashimema with the other following in behind
19:18 ashimema #info 19.05.01 scheduled for release tomorrow
19:18 ashimema moving on again
19:18 ashimema #topic Update from the QA team
19:19 amoyano joined #koha
19:19 tcohen hi
19:19 cait #info QA queue is currently at around 50
19:20 cait some 'problem' areas are SIP2, Elastic and REST API
19:20 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
19:20 * ashimema thinks caits still doing a great job on the weekly emails and keeping things moving along
19:20 cait help from topic experts much appreciated
19:20 cait we have some big projects going on and some quite big patches waiting
19:20 amoyano #info Agustin Moyano, Theke Solutions
19:20 cait worried about the number of bad (blocker, critical and major) bugs we see right now
19:21 ashimema indeed.. we need eyes on those
19:21 cait #info Currently we face 1 blocker, 3 criticals and 21 majors, patch writers, testers and QA people needed
19:22 ashimema Thanks cait
19:22 cait #info additional testing/sign-offs on some of the long sitting patches in QA queue would be great to get more confidence in passing them along
19:22 cait nothing more from me
19:23 ashimema :)
19:26 cait ok :)
19:27 ashimema next topic
19:27 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
19:27 cait so we are going to do it, right?
19:27 ashimema I think so, yes
19:41 Topic for #koha is now Proposal to fork 'simple keyboard project' (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019)
19:41 tcohen This needs a better wording hehe
19:41 ashimema #info This is a proposal to maintain our own fork of the 'simple keyboard project' to allow community members to contribute new keyboard layouts.
19:42 amoyano actually it's Mottie Keyboard proyect
19:42 cait I am not sure I understood yet why the fork is needed
19:42 ashimema #info We will need to work on a process for keeping our fork up to date with upstream whilst maintaining our fork.
19:42 cait do we already have a demand for new layouts/is the project not open for those?
19:42 tcohen I think this went the wrong way
19:47 cait so maybe not quite a fork... but having it 'forked' in our repo to speed up changes in Koha while waiting for it to be accepted?
19:47 tcohen and maybe have our own layouts
19:47 ashimema #info it's Mottie Keyboard and not Simple Keyboard Project
19:47 wizzyrea that isn't something we think the upstream would take straight away?
19:47 tcohen the idea was to have a mirror of their repo in the gitlab/koha-community place
19:59 wizzyrea yep
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20:00 cait info?
20:00 wahanui info is largely out there.. just not especially well summarised
20:00 tcohen +1
20:00 cait or an agreed maybe
20:00 ashimema #info ashimema will write a summary of the above conversation and submit it to the bug..
20:00 ashimema moving on
20:00 davidnind +1
20:05 ashimema I'll bring this one back up as required next meeting no doubt
20:05 cait I'd love ot see this not limited to people from the company hosting, but like other services to include other people as well
20:05 ashimema #info Mana (and HEA) discussion shelved untill next meeting.
20:06 ashimema agreed.. but I think it needs to start with the original authors to help get more people onboard with it.
20:06 ashimema #topic Moving PayPal payments into a plugin
20:15 cait so what is the proposed timeline? to get discussion back on track :)
20:15 ashimema shall we jump on again
20:15 ashimema #info Theke (amoyano in particular) have build a Paypal online payments plugin
20:16 cait I think we could deprecate the core code with 19.11
20:16 tcohen cait: it only lacks all currently supported languages
20:16 cait having the plugin as option
20:16 cait and then have it removed in 20.05
20:16 ashimema #info We should look at deprecating the core PayPal code some time during the next couple of cycles
20:16 tcohen we can fix that with a script
20:16 ashimema #info We need to work on further plugin guidlines and infrestucture (a plugin store for example) to build a path ahead for this.
20:17 cait tcohen: if you could use existing translations to populate the plugin ones that would be awesome
20:17 ashimema I'd say we can aim for 19.11 but keep 20.05 as a backstop
20:20 cait maybe postpone that too?
20:20 ashimema Right..
20:21 ashimema #info remainder of General topic for discussion will be posponed to the next meeting
20:21 ashimema #topc Review of coding guidelines
20:21 ashimema #info We will postpone the review of the coding guidelines untill the next meetng when those invovled should be present.
20:21 ashimema #topic Set time of next meeting
20:21 Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019)
20:31 ashimema so..
20:31 ashimema does 10th Aug, 14:00 UTC sound reasonable for everyone else
20:32 ashimema #info Next meeting: 10 August 2019, 14:00:00 UTC
20:32 ashimema done
20:32 ashimema #endmeeting

2019-06-24

13:13 KotH hmm..
13:13 KotH on what does it depend?
13:13 ashimema https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]rt_Bibliographics has a bunch of info.. I think it's mostly up to date
13:13 ashimema well.. it's often down to an individual organisations catalogueing policy really
13:13 KotH cool... thanks. somehow missed that in my search
14:49 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22509: Add the --unless-exists option to the script <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]81d953ae1c4c12963>
14:49 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22509: Add new script to add MARC fields with date formatted stringsto bib records <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]23cce4419aee6314b>
14:49 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20292: Filter/censor info sent via SIP <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cc451662438114c12>
14:49 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 15704: Split up Zebra indexing of RDA 264 information <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bf07f07cb2c94e756>
14:49 oleonard next meeting?
16:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23158: Make the assignment statement more readable <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8bf393a20d1013458>
16:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23109: (follow-up) fix typo in upgrade script <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]565ef67ecd1babcb7>
16:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23158: keep on-site checkout info when using itemBarcodeFallbackSearch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]54b9572a855acf317>
16:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23109: Improve description of staffaccess permission <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]57191ef7855163c28>
16:15 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 5287: Add floating toolbar to search results in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c1c2c7db30d2686ff>
16:24 cait ah it only works for visible?
16:24 cait I didn't know that
16:24 cait good info :)
16:24 cait i am wondering if we should move it into the toolbar maybe then?
16:25 cait batch modify for the utton label doesn't seem to fit for so many actions
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18:54 mtompset @seen khall
18:54 huginn` mtompset: khall was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <khall> #info Kyle, ByWater Solutions
18:59 oleonard See you later #koha
19:06 tcohen next meeting?

2019-06-20

11:21 ashimema found it
11:21 paxed ashimema: so the package installs aren't automated?
11:22 tcohen ashimema: yeah, I put all the info there
11:22 ashimema automated in what sense?
11:22 paxed ashimema: meaning someone will have to make a decision on when to update and/or pick the packages?

2019-06-17

22:56 DaveR joined #koha
22:57 kattekrab Hello!
22:57 kattekrab @rangi - I found some info on Perl and RHEL8 - https://developers.redhat.com/[…]terprise-linux-8/
22:57 huginn` kattekrab: I suck
22:57 kattekrab huginn`: oh?
23:03 kattekrab mtompset: sorry, I don't understand?
23:20 rangi kattekrab: if you do @later tell rangi then when i next talk the bot will tell me what you said (even if it has scrolled back out of my scroll buffer)
23:21 rangi thats cool info about the RHEL8 though, thanks :)
23:21 rangi mtompset: ill sort the schema out too
23:22 kattekrab aaaaah cool - thanks!

2019-06-12

13:54 magnuse joined #koha
14:00 ashimema so.. are we nearly corate
14:01 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University
14:01 ashimema #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 12 June 2019
14:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jun 12 14:01:33 2019 UTC.  The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 12 June 2019)
14:01 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_12_june_2019'
14:01 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University
14:01 ashimema #chair cait
14:01 huginn` Current chairs: ashimema cait
14:02 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:02 ashimema #topic Introductions
14:02 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 12 June 2019)
14:02 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe
14:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
14:03 ashimema no rmaint?
14:03 khall #info Kyle, ByWater Solutions
14:03 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea
14:03 ashimema no rmaints?
14:04 cait wizzyrea:
14:04 cait is an rmaint :)
14:04 ashimema #topic Announcements
14:04 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 12 June 2019)
14:04 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:04 ashimema Has anyone got any anouncements?
14:05 ashimema #info Nick Clemens is working on testing the circulations rules rewrite
14:05 ashimema #info Nick Clemens is working through the 'In discussion' queue to bring things back to life
14:05 ashimema #info Nick Clemens sends his appologies, clash of meetings today
14:06 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize is getting back the the Accounts Rewrite bugs
14:06 ashimema any others
14:07 ashimema #info I will be starting to push enhancements again as of next week, but starting with the least impact ones, so please keep working through bugs as high priority
14:08 wizzyrea good plan ty
14:08 ashimema #topic Update from the release manager
14:08 Topic for #koha is now Update from the release manager (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 12 June 2019)
14:08 ashimema sort of just did it above.. oops
14:09 ashimema #topic Updates from the release maintainers
14:09 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the release maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 12 June 2019)
14:09 ashimema rmaints?
14:09 wahanui it has been said that rmaints is fridolin, lucas and wizzyrea
14:09 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
14:09 wizzyrea I'm just about ready to start pushing things for 18.05
14:09 wizzyrea probably will start seeing things today or tomorrow
14:10 ashimema :)
14:10 lukeG i started pushing to 18.11 yesterday, more to come today :)
14:10 cait #info wizzyrea to start pushing to 18.05 soon
14:10 fridolin yop, I'm warming up for 19.05, started pushing
14:11 fridolin and Jenkins job for D9 exists with blue color
14:11 ashimema shout if you have any issues wizzyrea.. I have the magic keys to the kingdom to sort most permissions now.
14:11 Joubu Two majors, that must be in 19.05.01:
14:11 cait #info lukeG and fridolin started pushing to 18.11 and 19.05
14:11 Joubu bug 23095 and bug 23104
14:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23095 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Circulation rules not displayed (empty vs null)
14:11 cait yes, also a shout out to the QA team there
14:11 cait please QA
14:12 ashimema #info We made jenkins happy again for the Ubuntu builds.. not the most elegant fix but it appears to work
14:12 wizzyrea thanks ashimema
14:12 ashimema #info Two majors need to be pushed for the 19.05.01 release still.
14:12 ashimema shall we move onto updates from qa then
14:12 ashimema #topic Updates from the QA team
14:12 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 12 June 2019)
14:13 ashimema #info bug 23095 is in dire need of SO and QA
14:13 ashimema #info bug 23104 is in dire need of SO and QA
14:14 greenjimll 23095 is already signed off
14:15 * ashimema misread
14:15 ashimema needs QA though :)
14:16 tuxayo :D
14:16 tuxayo kidclamp++
14:16 cait #info Please focus on bugs, 25 out of the 54 waiting, including majors
14:17 cait also... pay attention to weekly emails ;)
14:17 cait there are some patche related to Mana that I'd like to see pushed
14:19 oleonard Too big to post a patch to Bugzilla, unfortunately, which makes testing more difficult
14:19 oleonard it's an upgrade to Datatables which combines and minifies the various scripts we use
14:20 oleonard It includes a style update for the Datatables toolbar (info, pagination, buttons)
14:20 cait oleonard++
14:20 cait i did training recently and the datatables especiallywith the new export options were a big hit
14:21 cait #info bug 21013 waits for some attention - update to datatables, test with a remote branch
14:21 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21013 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Missing itemtype for checkut makes patron summary print explode
14:21 cait ugh
14:21 cait i can't be trusted with numbers
14:21 cait #info Correction: Bug 23013 - sorry!
14:21 cait moving on then?
14:22 cait #topic Review of coding guidelines
14:57 oleonard While you were gone we elected you permanent chair for all future meetings tcohen
14:57 tcohen oh noes!
14:57 ashimema #info Next meeting: 26 June 2019, 19:00 UTC
14:58 ashimema my irc client is stuffed
14:58 ashimema `
14:59 ashimema #info Next meeting: 26 Jun 2019, 19:00 UTC
14:59 ashimema #endmeeting
14:59 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org

2019-06-06

13:13 davidnind #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 6 June 2019
13:13 huginn` Meeting started Thu Jun  6 13:13:24 2019 UTC.  The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:13 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:13 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 6 June 2019)
13:13 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_6_june_2019'
13:13 davidnind #topic Introductions
13:13 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 6 June 2019)
13:13 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
13:14 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe
13:14 lucyvh #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS Europe
13:14 AndyBoze #info Andy Boze, University of Notre Dame, USA
13:14 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
13:16 davidnind Hi everyone, thanks for coming along, and apologies for the late start!
13:16 davidnind #topic Action points
13:16 Topic for #koha is now Action points (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 6 June 2019)
13:17 davidnind #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_6_June_2019
13:18 davidnind No progress to report on my actions points, so I think I will skip over these
13:19 caroline_catlady #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
13:19 caroline_catlady Hi sorry I'm late!
13:19 davidnind Will try and get on top of these in the next few days, particularly the list of suggested tasks to work on (from easy to hard)
13:19 davidnind hi caroline_catlady!
13:20 davidnind no worries, we started a but late because of "technical difficulties" on my end!
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13:26 caroline_catlady davidnind: did I make you admin on taiga?
13:26 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
13:26 AndyBoze I've been trying to get prepared for working on documentation, so I'd love to tackle some of the easier things to get started.
13:27 caroline_catlady Also, did you get merging rights on gitlab?
13:30 davidnind :-D
13:30 cait davidnind++
13:30 cait we shoudl probably #info more
13:30 oleonard If it doesn't look to others like you're bad at presentations it means you're good at presentations
13:31 cait #info Kohacon had a documentation presentation and a workshop, thelatter focusing on release notes in bugzilla and editing with gitlab
13:31 davidnind thanks cait, I forget to do those!
13:31 cait #info davidnind to get merging rights on gitlab
13:31 cait who do go to for taiga access?
13:31 cait just for the info
13:31 cait i got it :)
13:31 * ashimema apologises the 'workshops' didn't go as to plan as I'd hoped.. I wanted to try and make them more interactive but on the day the facilities didn't really lend themselve to it.
13:32 caroline_catlady so lee, me or david
13:32 davidnind it still worked out okay in the end with the workshops
13:32 cait #info If you need to get access to taige, ask caroline_catlady, davidnind or Lee
13:33 cait shoudl we got ot the action points?
13:33 davidnind there was a lot of interest in getting started with editing the manual
13:37 davidnind for screenshots, I think just manually updating them at the moment until I get the automated part sorted out
13:38 caroline_catlady re: git: this is a course I followed when I first started here, and it clears it up a lot (though I still need my git sensei at work) https://www.pluralsight.com/co[…]e-school-git-real
13:38 cait #info manually updating screenshots is ok, until automation is sorted out
13:38 davidnind #action create a section on git for beginners for editing  manual, aimed at those who aren't familiar with git
13:38 cait i think codeacademy has a free git tutorial as well
13:46 davidnind ff s/be off!
13:46 cait yay!
13:47 cait #info gitlab configuration has been fixed so forking doesn't give you CI errors
13:47 caroline_catlady is that the pipeline fials?
13:47 cait yep
13:57 davidnind do you feedback into the english version where you find it difficult to translate the text?
13:57 caroline_catlady I know the fr-FR team is working on the french version a lot... not so much for fr-CA
13:58 davidnind #info active work being done on German and fr-FR translations
13:58 caroline_catlady I instructed the fr-FR team to open bugs on bugzilla if they found typos or things that needed work
13:59 davidnind that's great, english-only speakers can get lazy when we write!
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14:00 davidnind #info raise bugs on bugzilla for any text that is difficult to translate or where there are typos
14:00 caroline_catlady that's fine, everyone makes typos. It's just that when we translate, it's one sentence at a time, so it's obvious
14:01 cait davidnind: mostly my coworker doing translation right now, he filed bugs for screenshots at least
14:07 cait maybe sysprefs, notices
14:07 cait those are quick and i think might be often looked up
14:08 davidnind #info things to work on for 19.05 release - system preference changes and notices
14:09 davidnind #info other things to work on are the new features
14:10 davidnind is everyone able to hang in there for a few minutes to do the koha-docs mailing list or would you prefer just to set the time for the next meeting?
14:10 caroline_catlady I'm around anyway
14:10 * ashimema is still listening
14:26 davidnind we have no more public holidays until October in NZ  :-(
14:26 davidnind thanks AndyBoze!
14:26 davidnind #info Next meeting 4 July 2019 13:00 UTC
14:26 davidnind #endmeeting
14:26 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org

2019-06-05

13:08 ashimema #startmeeting General IRC meeting 5 June 2019
13:08 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jun  5 13:08:37 2019 UTC.  The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:08 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:08 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 5 June 2019)
13:08 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_5_june_2019'
13:09 ashimema #topic Introductions
13:09 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 5 June 2019)
13:09 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe
13:09 caroline_catlady #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
13:09 georgew #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
13:09 Charles_Quain # Charles Quain, Interleaf Technology
13:09 lisette #info Lisette Scheer, Latah County Library District
13:09 donnab #info Donna Bachowski - ByWater Solutions
13:09 Charles_Quain #info Charles Quain, Interleaf Technology
13:10 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
13:10 thd #info Thomas Duk;eth, Agogme, New York City
13:10 khall #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions
13:10 ashimema now they poor in :)
13:10 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens,ByWater Solutions
13:10 tcohen hi
13:10 wahanui niihau, tcohen
13:10 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
13:10 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
13:11 tcohen agenda?
13:11 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University
13:11 caroline_catlady tbh, I had forgotten it was earlier than usual, literally just got in
13:12 magnuse Charles_Quain: you forgot the "info" after the # :-)
13:12 greenjimll The agenda is in: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_5_June_2019
13:12 Charles_Quain Sorry. Still not used to IRC. Re-did it!
13:12 magnuse ah, missed that
13:13 josef_moravec_ #info Josef Moravec, Czech Republic
13:14 ashimema #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_5_June_2019 Agenda
13:14 ashimema #topic Announcements
13:14 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 5 June 2019)
13:14 ashimema Well, we succesfully released 19.05.00, 18.11.06, 18.05.13 :)
13:14 ashimema #info 19.05.00, 18.11.06 and 18.05.13 were all released since we last met
13:14 ashimema and, we had a successful Kohacon19 :)
13:14 ashimema Great to see everyone there :)
13:14 ashimema anyone got anything else to announce?
13:14 ashimema ooh.. my irc seems to have a lag again today
13:16 Charles_Quain 99 Attended on Wednesday
13:16 Charles_Quain 77 Attended on Thursday
13:16 fraktik #info Tomáš Wünsch, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic
13:16 Charles_Quain We did not count Culture Day attendees
13:16 Charles_Quain 4 scheduled speakers were unable to attend.
13:16 greenjimll If anyone wants to write a trip report on Kohacon19 for Ariadne journal, I hear the editor is willing to listen. :-)
13:16 Charles_Quain Looks like we will have a surplus of about €2000 in the budget.
13:17 ashimema #info Kohacon19 will have a nice report sent out in the next few days
13:17 Charles_Quain still some final bills to come in.
13:17 Charles_Quain I'd like to suggest that we use the surplus to fund some development in Koha.
13:17 Charles_Quain Maybe put it on the agenda for the next IRC
13:17 caroline_catlady are the results from the survey to be included in the report or is that just for you/next year's info
13:17 caroline_catlady ?
13:18 Charles_Quain No, the survey will be there too.
13:18 wahanui Congratulations!
13:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #754: FIXED in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/754/
13:19 ashimema #info There should end up a reasonably surplus on the Kohacon19 budget, lets discus a good use of that at the next meeting
13:20 ashimema #info Sponsoring a development or donating it as a starter kitty for the next Kohacon in NZ are just a couple of options
13:20 ashimema anything else kohacon Charles_Quain
13:20 Charles_Quain Think that's all - sorry for messing your agenda sequence!
13:21 ashimema let's move on then :)
13:21 ashimema #topic Update on releases
13:21 Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 5 June 2019)
13:22 ashimema #info I'm pushing bugs only for at least another couple of weeks whilst I get up to speed as a new RM for 19.11
13:22 ashimema rmaints?
13:22 wahanui rmaints is, like, ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints
13:25 fridolin joined #koha
13:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #248: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/248/
13:25 ashimema #info The new team is all in place and we're all warming up to the new cycle
13:25 fridolin hi
13:25 tcohen Martin, push the accounts work as it gets through QA
13:26 ashimema Was going to discuss that with fridolin to make sure I don't make his life too hard early on.. but I'm of the same opinion
13:27 ashimema I'll be sending a mail to the dev lists later this week with some dev targets.. I'm a little behind where I'd hoped to be
13:28 ashimema #info RM will send a mail later this week with some general target area's for this cycle
13:28 ashimema acquisitions is one area I hope to get us working together on
13:29 ashimema right now focus on bugfixes
13:42 caroline_catlady If anyone has a repo for their plugins, please send it to me
13:43 caroline_catlady I also wanted to widen the purpose of that catalog a bit and maube add training materials
13:43 ashimema #info caroline_catlady is going to start cataloging koha plugins, please send her your repositories if you've built any plugins.
13:43 caroline_catlady like youtube videos and things
13:43 greenjimll Cataloguing Koha release documents?
13:56 davidnind there is hope :)
13:56 davidnind https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings
13:56 ashimema #info Next meeting: 10 July 2019, 20 UTC
13:56 ashimema #endmeeting
13:56 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org
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14:03 ashimema agree
14:04 oleonard #info Owen Leonard -- Too late!
14:05 ashimema lol
14:06 ashimema ouch.. i forgot we're in BST over here.. I just set the next meeting to be at 9pm UK.. lol
14:16 ashimema davidnind++
14:16 * ashimema runs off on a school run.. brb
14:19 davidnind Does anyone know who has the Koha YouTube channel access info? https://www.youtube.com/channe[…]1-kt84liiG5233BRQ
14:19 davidnind Would like to start curating playlists and things... and maybe add Kohacon videos
14:21 oleonard Not listed here, unfortunately: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]n_Social_Networks

2019-06-03

15:28 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22953: Markup warning in OPAC user summary template <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7862c21601d6cf148>
15:39 Joubu Hi #koha
15:39 Joubu wizzyrea: you were searching for .git/info/exclude
15:50 wizzyrea yes, that does seem right
15:50 wizzyrea it was oleonard who wanted that

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