IRC log for #koha, 2022-05-25

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02:14 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
02:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #257: FIXED in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_D10/257/
02:14 wahanui Congratulations!
02:28 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
02:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #142: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U16/142/
02:28 wahanui Congratulations!
02:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D11 build #45: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D11/45/
03:31 alohabot 🎁 🦊 Koha '20.11.x' packages pushed to 'koha' repo  ðŸ¥‰ðŸŒðŸš€
04:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D11 build #46: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D11/46/
05:36 ashimema Morning #koha
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05:48 reiveune hello
05:48 wahanui hey, reiveune
05:59 magnuse \o/
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07:52 severine_q Morning Koha !
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08:17 magnuse davidnind++
08:25 ashimema morning severine_q
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09:50 * cait1 waves
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10:24 * oleonard waves
10:32 ashimema are framework hidden fields not working in 21.11?
10:34 oleonard How so?
10:34 * ashimema is investigating
10:36 ashimema so for example
10:36 ashimema 541e is unticked for 'Visivility' for the OPAC
10:36 ashimema but I'm seeing it here https://tna.koha-ptfs.co.uk/cg[…]biblionumber=9462
10:37 ashimema in the title notes tab
10:37 ashimema is that a regression?
10:37 oleonard opac-detail has never worked with framework visibility
10:37 ashimema oh really
10:37 ashimema I thought it did
10:38 ashimema hmm..
10:39 ashimema I'm getting told it was working in 21.05 and 20.11
10:39 ashimema but has broken in 21.11.05
10:39 ashimema interesting
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10:40 oleonard ashimema maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought it never did, and that's part of the reason we have the XSLT views
10:43 ashimema code wise.. it looks like it should work 😜
10:43 ashimema since 2016
10:43 ashimema at least
10:43 wahanui at least is that possible to hide everything but only the name?
10:44 oleonard I've been known to have been wrong for stretches of time lasting six years
10:44 ashimema hehe
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11:00 oleonard Idea: before: https://snipboard.io/ZnucyH.jpg After: https://snipboard.io/LyON1Y.jpg
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11:23 Joubu looks great, oleonard!
11:23 Joubu what's the trash icon for?
11:23 Joubu empty the fields?
11:24 oleonard Yeah, I was thinking of adding them to make it more consistent with the marc editor
11:24 ashimema so much nicer 🙂
11:24 * ashimema goes for a walk and expects a bug to SO by the time I get back.. haha ;P
11:25 cait1 it is nicer :)
11:26 ashimema Consistency is good
11:28 severine_q nice proposal oleonard !
11:28 ashimema Anyone seen any updates for staff client refresh lately.. I think I would have expected to see a few bugs submitted by now.. or a plan for next cycle?
11:28 oleonard I don't have a patch yet, but I will keep at it.
11:28 ashimema I really hope it doesn't land as one enormous patch
11:28 Joubu oleonard: the problem is that there is a 'x' already for selects
11:29 oleonard ashimema: We've had one check-in by the person who's doing implementation for Biblibre, but no patches yet
11:30 oleonard ashimema: We had a lot of discussion about how to start with changes that wouldn't affect too many files
11:30 oleonard ashimema: So mostly CSS changes at first, or changes to global includes
11:31 ashimema Cool
11:31 oleonard (that was the plan anyway)
11:31 ashimema Glad it's being thought about
11:32 ashimema Targeting includes and CSS is great.. be nice to also build collector bugs for consistency improvements.. like your datepicker stuff was great to see
11:33 ashimema I'm still keen to see some UX guidelines come out of it
11:34 oleonard Joubu: I guess the MARC edit page only shows the delete icon for fields which are also repeatable, which is a little inconsistent because if the field *hasn't* been deleted the icon clears the contents of the field.
11:35 oleonard Whereas other fields don't have a delete option at all, even though clearing the contents of the field might also be desired in non-repeatable fields.
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12:20 magnuse ashimema: paul_p presented the work at the online meeting of the swedish usergroup last friday. it looked like there was still some work to do before they are done. He did not mention a plan for how to submit changes
12:23 ashimema Joubu around?
12:29 Joubu yes
12:36 ashimema got a branch for bug 29697.. thought I'd look at testing it ready for early next cycle.. but I get sha1 issue trying to apply.
12:36 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Replace GetMarcBiblio occurrences with $biblio->metadata->record
12:39 Joubu isn't that pushed already?..
12:40 ashimema nope
12:40 ashimema not even SO'd
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12:41 Joubu I've pushed my local branch: https://gitlab.com/joubu/Koha/-/commits/bug_29697
12:41 Joubu not rebased however
12:42 ashimema thanks dude
12:42 ashimema I can rebase myself to test
12:42 ashimema it was sha1 that caught me... those are a right ass to fix
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12:49 cait1 can someon remind me of the sandbox url for erm?
12:50 Joubu https://staff-erm.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/
12:50 Joubu it's listed on biblibre sandbox's homepage
12:51 cait1 thx, i checked the wiki and couldn't locate the mailng list mail
12:51 cait1 ishoudl finally bookmark it
12:57 ashimema wow.. you do way more than I thought in here..
12:57 ashimema interesting Joubu..
12:58 ashimema I was actually considering adding a ->filtered_record() method to Koha::Biblio::Metadata.. but it appears you've basically baked that in to Koha::Biblio::Metadata here..
12:58 cait1 my coworker wanted to see - we are impressed also :) seems to be growing!
12:58 ashimema though not as thoroughly as I'd like.. you only do filtering for items..
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13:46 fridolin yey
13:46 fridolin tuxayo: there ?
13:46 wahanui there is something very wrong there
13:47 tuxayo fridolin: yep :)
13:47 thd Joubu: Gmail has been bouncing my mail to you.  I am working on committing wiki migration fixes for next month while avoiding running myself down into another COVID infection.
13:48 fridolin tuxayo: cool
13:49 fridolin https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_25_May_2022 in 10 min
13:51 Joubu thd: I am not likely to work on the wiki migration soon anyway.
13:54 thd Joubu: My mail server needs proper identity attestation which never used to be a problem.  Gmail has very aggressive anti-spam measures rejecting many sources of legitimate mail including some Gmail accounts running on the wrong part of the Google network.
13:54 tuxayo meeting in 5 min!
13:54 tuxayo rmaints?
13:54 wahanui rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo
13:54 tuxayo qa_team?
13:54 wahanui qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova
13:54 ashimema HOLA
13:54 nugged o/
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13:56 liliputech hi koha!
13:56 wahanui hi koha! is there a table in which i can see if a borrower has borrowed any books (or if library lended out any books) ?
13:56 liliputech wahanui: check issues / old_issues
13:56 wahanui liliputech: huh?
13:56 liliputech heh :)
13:58 fridolin XD
14:01 tuxayo #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022
14:01 huginn Meeting started Wed May 25 14:01:33 2022 UTC.  The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022)
14:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_25_may_2022'
14:01 tuxayo #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_25_May_2022 Today's agenda
14:01 tuxayo #topic Introductions
14:01 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022)
14:01 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
14:02 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, Tahiti
14:02 khall_ #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
14:02 paulderscheid[m] #info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud GmbH, Germany
14:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [high COVID tide lifts all infections]
14:03 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Company, France
14:04 tuxayo #topic Announcements
14:04 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022)
14:04 tuxayo Anything to announce that doesn't fit the other topics?
14:04 liliputech #info Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France
14:05 lukeg #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions
14:05 Joubu Yes, maybe, tuxayo
14:05 tuxayo go ahead Joubu :)
14:05 Joubu ERM - For those who does not know yet, there is a sandbox I am trying to keep up-to-date
14:05 Joubu https://staff-erm.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/
14:05 Joubu you can connect with the usual sandbox's credential
14:06 Joubu there is also a kanban board at...
14:06 Joubu https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]u-koha-erm/kanban
14:06 nugged #info Andrew Nugged, Helsinki
14:06 Joubu So you can see the "ready to be applied" that will be applied soon. The idea is to have the features there, but with a not-so-good UI to start
14:07 Joubu and we will improve later, depending on the feedback
14:07 tuxayo #info sandbox with up to date ERM work: https://staff-erm.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/
14:07 ashimema Joubu++
14:07 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:07 Joubu Help, feedback, etc. highly welcomed
14:07 tuxayo #info kanban board to follow the progress https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]u-koha-erm/kanban
14:07 Joubu branch is always at the same place - https://gitlab.com/joubu/Koha/-/commits/erm
14:08 Joubu that's all for me
14:08 tuxayo thanks
14:08 tuxayo #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05)
14:08 Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (22.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022)
14:08 fridolin yey
14:08 tuxayo fridolin: 🎙️
14:08 fridolin Release is coming ...
14:09 fridolin its the cycle last week
14:09 fridolin i'm preparing with docs and will have a look at last release commits for release as a checklist
14:10 fridolin Looks like there is no big bug waiting in queue (22_05_priorities)
14:11 nugged From my side I have to say something about the Relase:
14:11 nugged this release is (luckily or because we are improving) is most stable in pre-release phase I ever had in piloting with my customer(s).
14:11 nugged I installed our Community Master this week on Piloting Customer production - there happened to be NO blockers for them nor even anything bad they found to be the issues!!! Still testing, maybe something deeper, but it's  not like previous releases, when instantly something happened to come :). Really great!
14:11 tuxayo Great news :D
14:11 tuxayo team++
14:11 oleonard Excellent!
14:11 wahanui darn tootin' it is.
14:11 fridolin great thanks to you and them
14:12 liliputech \o/
14:12 nugged fidolin & mates: I thought we'll bring some quick bad bugs from customer like it was previous releases, but it's just working (argh :) ), ... :). And that's good/great too!
14:13 tuxayo > but it's just working
14:13 tuxayo That's even better stuff to bring ^^
14:13 ashimema nice
14:13 fridolin 1585 patches pushed at this point, so a nice amount of changes
14:15 nugged Also I have feedback from Jan (Mojolicious) on topic of Vue3/Svelte discussion.
14:15 nugged ––quote>>>
14:15 nugged It’s very simple to me: Svelte is a compiler, while Vue, React and similar tools are frameworks/code that runs in the browser.
14:15 nugged Being a compiler means that it produces code that is faster (last time I checked) than what Vue does. That’s not a deciding factor for my web apps though, but it’s a bonus. What I like the most is how simple the syntax is. Vue 3 is just recently getting close to the same syntax, but I still prefer Svelte.
14:15 nugged The cons I can think of is that there’s less libraries written for Svelte and the community is smaller. But it is growing and the library part haven’t stopped me from building my app :)
14:15 nugged Then I would choose svelte, since it’s also more suitable (imo) for building many small components, instead of moving to a full page webapp
14:15 nugged Meaning you can swap out pieces of jquery here and there instead of rewriting the whole thing
14:15 nugged Vue3 is not a bad option though. They simplified a lot of things luckily. It’s still a client side library though.
14:15 nugged ––<<<quote
14:15 nugged that is what I had from me for this meeting.
14:15 * nugged bowes
14:16 ashimema interesting
14:16 ashimema very interesting
14:16 oleonard Yes
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14:18 fridolin i'm good
14:19 paulderscheid[m] Svelte would be a great fit but Vue has its merrits too. The community is much larger as you know and therefore it's less likely to phase out of existence eventually which seems important regarding Koha as a project that will hopefully continue in existence over a very long timespan.
14:20 paulderscheid[m] As great as svelte is from a technical standpoint the adoption isn't there yet.
14:20 paulderscheid[m] Additionally it's not that hard to migrate from Vue to Svelte.
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14:21 liliputech isn't any of these tool going to make it more difficult for new devs to get in? which of those will?
14:21 paulderscheid[m] Both have great documentation.
14:22 oleonard liliputech: Any will, but we have to move forward to make Koha better
14:22 liliputech hum... but maybe the compilation thing is not something everyone knows how to deal with?
14:22 paulderscheid[m] Svelte would be easier for new devs and simple stuff but tackling complicated things is much easier with Vue.
14:22 tuxayo > more difficult for new devs to get in
14:22 tuxayo One of the arguments for vue is that modern and known frameworks could actually bring devs. I don't know if I understood correctly.
14:23 paulderscheid[m] > <@tuxayo:matrix.org> > more difficult for new devs to get in... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]kLhGMKmVQayRSwvt)
14:23 paulderscheid[m] Vue attracts good developers.
14:24 tuxayo Moving on?
14:24 liliputech ok for me
14:24 oleonard Does anyone have feedback specifically about Joubu's branch?
14:24 tuxayo good point
14:24 ashimema yeah.. it's more likely to bring devs in than scare new ones away
14:24 liliputech 2~2~
14:24 ashimema our existing code scares people away because it doesn't adhere to any frameworks
14:26 tuxayo #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:26 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022)
14:26 tuxayo rmaints?
14:26 wahanui rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo
14:26 tuxayo Last 20.11.X release went well
14:27 tuxayo I don't think other branche's release are ready yet but it should be soon.
14:27 tuxayo moving on?
14:27 AndrewFH Hi! Sorry, forgot about this meeting. 21.05.15 will be along shortly, I've been kinda swamped
14:28 tuxayo thanks for the update AndrewFH :D
14:28 liliputech khall_: about 21.11?
14:29 * liliputech now has access to the git, setup ssh and gpg keys according to the wiki.
14:30 tuxayo liliputech: don't forget to ask for the website. It's often the one cause delays for new RMaints.
14:30 tuxayo #topic Updates from the QA team
14:30 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022)
14:30 tuxayo qa_team?
14:30 wahanui qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova
14:31 ashimema NSO is high, PQA is building for next cycle already.. NQA is nice and low
14:32 ashimema we could do with a bit of an audit of Major and Criticals
14:32 tuxayo what do you mean?
14:33 ashimema as in, it would be helpful to have a bugwrangler look at all the 129 Majors at the top of the dashboard (in the pop down section).. and categorise them..
14:33 fridolin ah check if there level is correct
14:33 ashimema I'm sure not all of them are Majors and having that queue so high makes it hard to see the wood for the trees
14:33 * ashimema can't work on all of them ;P
14:33 fridolin sure
14:34 ashimema if something really is major, then drumming up some dev support to get it fixed would be beneficial..
14:34 ashimema it just looks bad as a community that we have so many ;:p
14:34 ashimema most of which have no code attached
14:35 reiveune bye
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14:35 fridolin i can give a shot in the coming weeks
14:35 ashimema 😄
14:35 fridolin tuxayo: can you write an action pls ?
14:35 ashimema so yeah.. that's probably it from QA team.. unless cait is around?
14:36 tuxayo #action fridolin audits major and critical bugs (new, assigned and need signoff)
14:37 tuxayo fridolin: anyone can use #action, is the above summary correct?
14:38 tuxayo moving on
14:38 tuxayo #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:38 Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022)
14:38 tuxayo Anything from anyone?
14:38 fridolin thanks
14:39 ashimema New cycle soon... lots to come 😛
14:39 ashimema I've started looking through the GetMarcBiblio removal bug.. it's a great start but I feel we can do better by golfing it together early next cycle
14:40 ashimema kidclamp has been doing lots of performance piece last couple of weeks.. those are an interesting set of bugs to follow..
14:41 tuxayo GetMarcBiblio removal bug: this one? Bug 29633
14:41 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29633 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Unecessary GetMarcBiblio call in Koha::UI::Form::Builder::Item (?)
14:41 ashimema and.. Notices tree is starting to move again with some of those bugs going PQA end of this cycle
14:41 ashimema nope
14:41 ashimema bug 29697
14:41 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Replace GetMarcBiblio occurrences with $biblio->metadata->record
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14:45 tuxayo anything else,
14:45 tuxayo *?
14:46 tuxayo Review needed on Bug 30733 so it can be merged soon after 22.05 release
14:46 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, victor, Needs Signoff , Simplify translatable strings
14:47 tuxayo It's more about proof reading that testing the many string changes (adding <span> so the string extractor pick clean strings for translators)
14:47 tuxayo *than testing
14:48 * oleonard promotes Bug 26392 again
14:48 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26392 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Patch doesn't apply , Wrap all translatable strings in opac-main.tt
14:48 tuxayo +1
14:49 ashimema 🙂
14:50 tuxayo moving on, if something else comes up, say it we come to it after  Set time of next meeting
14:50 tuxayo #topic Set time of next meeting
14:50 Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 25 May 2022)
14:51 tuxayo Last meeting with good time for NZ, had a good audience so we can continue to alternate
14:52 tuxayo And the hours are correct for most part of the Americas also (at bit late for Argentina though)
14:53 tuxayo So to have 9am at NZ it would be 21:00 UTC
14:54 tuxayo 17:00 US east cost
14:54 tuxayo 18:00 argentina.
14:54 lilipute1h 11pm for france
14:55 tuxayo As for the date, it would be june 8
14:55 tuxayo lilipute1h: yes, not great for Europe though.
14:55 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 8 June 2022, 21 UTC
14:56 lilipute1h right after koha-us meeting?
14:56 fridolin1 super
14:56 tuxayo There are a few hours between the koha US meeting and 21UTC right?
14:57 lilipute1h yes, just a few hours
14:57 tuxayo Should be good enough if someone wants to attend both
14:58 tuxayo #endmeeting
14:58 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org
14:58 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 25 14:58:46 2022 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
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14:58 tuxayo thanks all for attending :)
14:59 fridolin1 tuxayo: ++
14:59 lilipute1h thanks tuxayo
14:59 fridolin1 it is a pleasure to meet with you like always
15:00 fridolin1 have a great day/night ;)
15:00 lilipute1h cheers everyone, see u around
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16:17 alohabot 🎁 🐭 Koha '21.11.x' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo  ðŸ¥—🥘🥡
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22:44 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
22:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D9_ES6 build #7: FIXED in 1 hr 16 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_21.11_D9_ES6/7/
22:44 wahanui Congratulations!

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