IRC log for #koha, 2022-04-25

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06:30 alex_ Bonjour
06:30 wahanui que tal, alex_
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06:44 Himali Hello
06:45 Himali I have an issue related to Koha, one of the item is placed on hold b the patron. He received mail for same but book doesnot show in his hold list  Also when same item is searched in catalogue it shows available, but when opened it shows as hold.  tried reindexing but no luck.  Please help.
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08:07 severine_q Happy monday Koha !! 🤗
08:12 ashimema Morning
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08:48 cait hi #koha
08:49 cait noone here?
08:49 ashimema hi
08:49 marcelr o/
08:51 cait aaah there is life on IRC after all :)
08:54 Himali hi
08:54 Himali I have an issue related to Koha, one of the item is placed on hold b the patron. He received mail for same but book doesnot show in his hold list  Also when same item is searched in catalogue it shows available, but when opened it shows as hold.  tried reindexing but no luck.  Please help.
08:54 wahanui i already had it that way, Himali.
08:54 cait hi Himali
08:55 cait that sounds a little odd
08:55 Himali previousl same issue, reindexing solved issue
08:55 Himali but no luck this time
08:55 cait maybe because the hold was cancelled
08:55 cait with hold list, you mean the list of holds in the patron account?
08:56 Himali yes
08:56 cait if you go to the patron account in staff - is there a tab holds history?
08:56 Himali maybe because the hold was cancelled ----> book shows available but when clicked on book it shows 1 holding
08:57 cait hold or holding?
08:57 Himali holding
08:57 cait holding just means item
08:57 cait it's another word for "what the library has"
08:57 cait it's nothing to do with holds as such, although they sound really similar
08:58 Himali ok but main issue is
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09:00 nlegrand hey
09:00 magnuse kia ora nlegrand
09:00 magnuse trying to access <intranet>/cgi-bin/koha/tools/, i get this error: "Error reading file /etc/koha/sites/koha01/koha-conf.xml. Try running this again as the koha instance user (or use the koha-shell command in debian)" like i was running it on the command line. anyone seen that before?
09:00 cait magnuse: sorry, pass
09:01 cait maybe something to do with the messaging/queuing?
09:01 cait hi nlegrand
09:04 magnuse same error for several of the "catalogue" tools
09:04 cait i was thinking maybe that's all those that are using background jobs now
09:04 ashimema grr.. there are soooooo many darn copy/pastes with tiny changes of the patron autocomplete code ☹️
09:04 ashimema it's a nightmare to catch them all
09:05 magnuse cait: it's version 20.05.15
09:05 cait does someoene have an idea which change caused bug 30603 and could link it?
09:05 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30603 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Sort 1 and Sort 2 on patron form are on longer free text when AV categories are empty
09:07 cait magnuse: huh.
09:17 nlegrand o/ magnuse, cait
09:17 ashimema does anyone know why we have such a mix of manually adding patron names (with various order and various amounts of detail and links) and using the includes to do it more consistently?
09:17 ashimema it's a nightmakre
09:24 marcelr historical ballast ?
09:24 magnuse ashimema: organic growth over a long time?
09:26 magnuse catalogue tools that show the problem: Batch item deletion, Batch item modification, Batch record modification, Export data, Stage MARC records for import, Staged MARC record management, Upload local cover image
09:26 magnuse other tools are ok. can anyone think of a common thing between them?
09:27 marcelr magnuse: check koha-conf, permissions, etc ?
09:27 magnuse yeah, that looks ok
09:28 cait ashimema: because the includes were added later in the game?
09:28 cait i think it was Joubu who introduced them - not super recent, but somewhaat
09:29 ashimema mm
09:29 cait when was rabbitmq introduced?
09:29 ashimema they've been around for ages and and ages
09:29 cait i know it's in 20.11
09:29 cait maybe we need to check new code stricter for using them?
09:29 cait and ages is realtive dealing with a 22 year old project :)
09:34 cait bbiab
09:35 magnuse cait: bug 22417, 20.11.00
09:35 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=22417 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Add a task queue
09:36 cait magnuse: so definitely not that hen :(
09:36 cait did it start happen after a recent update so we could maybe limit it to some suspicious change?
09:36 magnuse no, but maybe still something related to the problems that was meant to fix
09:51 cait back
09:53 cait ashimema: looking at bug 30136 - wondering: wasn't there another feature to make a button show up ...
09:53 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30136 new feature, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Add back to top button when scrolling
09:54 ashimema erm.. pass
09:54 ashimema do you mean the skip to main content stuff?
09:54 cait yes!
10:04 cait ashimema: thx
10:04 ashimema 🙂
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10:24 oleonard Hi all
10:34 cait hi oleonard and oleonard++ :)
10:39 oleonard cait++ # too
10:39 cait come all and help me make noise on bugzilla :)
10:39 * ashimema is sleepy today
10:39 * cait hands ashimema coffee for tiredness and a cookie for grumpiness
10:40 ashimema lol
10:40 ashimema I'm not too grumpy today am I?
10:42 ashimema I should probably have another go at the test suit as Joubu is out for a couple of days
10:43 cait it's prevention
10:43 ashimema hehe
10:47 ashimema the include is weird
10:51 marcelr cait++ # 30290
10:52 cait it feels like I am on a failing spree :(
10:52 cait with bug 30290 being an exception
10:52 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30290 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Passed QA , Article requests: Add TOC information to AR notices
10:53 cait oleonard: do you still have a lot of tabs patches to do?
10:54 cait i kind of lost track
10:54 oleonard Only the hard ones left :)
10:54 cait ah the usual 20%
10:54 * ashimema went and QA'd a whole bunch of those on Friday 🙂
10:54 oleonard Patrons, circ, MARC and authority editors.
10:54 cait point me to anything you need moving please
10:54 ashimema great work so far oleonard
10:55 ashimema it's great to see some of this stuff happening
10:55 ashimema we really need to keep working through moving things to simple centralised handling.. this patron-title stuff and patron search/autocomplete stuff is a big taks
10:55 ashimema task.. even
10:57 cait yes, lots of good stuff
10:58 cait ... and please let me know if my QA comments don't make sense (feeling bad about all the fails)
11:13 tcohen hola #koha!
11:14 oleonard Hi tcohen
11:16 * tcohen searches for oleonard's bugs
11:16 oleonard I am covered in bugs
11:17 cait me too ... eeew
11:17 ashimema lol
11:17 cait tcohen: you can leave oleonard's to me.... but i have some nice ones in today's QA mail that are out of my depth
11:17 tcohen alright!
11:17 tcohen will check
11:17 * tcohen hasn't gone through email yet
11:19 cait ;)
11:22 ashimema can someone remind me where the data for the system preferences that have a popup of database fields to select from comes from?
11:22 ashimema liek for 'BorrowerUnwantedField'
11:23 cait i think it's a .yml
11:23 cait but i might be wrong :)
11:24 ashimema I thought it was.. but I can't find one now
11:24 ashimema did they get removed recently.. I have a vague memory
11:24 cait hm yeah there as a patch about centralizing column names
11:24 cait but i haven't looked into it if that might have touched things
11:25 cait bug 29695
11:25 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Centralize columns' descriptions
11:25 ashimema thanks
11:27 ashimema 🙂
11:27 ashimema funny.. I thought I'd already fixed that in this patchset.. but it seems not
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11:37 ashimema also.. is there a reason the `DefaultPatronSearchFields` pref doesn't have such a modal select option?
11:37 oleonard Probably only that no one got around to it.
11:38 cait sounds reasonable
11:39 cait can you add patron attributes there? haven't tested but I seem to remember it blocked some
11:39 cait on another note, ... I'd love some pre-release notes ([…]es/-/tree/master), but not sure who to ask
11:40 ashimema well.. as far as I can tell, in master.. patron attribute searching is hard coded to being turned on
11:40 ashimema humm..
11:40 ashimema I used to be able to generate those.. but things have changed a bit since I was RM
11:41 tcohen Joubu
11:41 ashimema liked having really up to date pre-release notes.. It helped me dig in and try to do release note improvements throughout the cycle instead of it all happening at the last minute
11:41 ashimema indeed.. we had different approaches to it.. it changed a little
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11:49 cait ashimema: add SO line to bug 10517 plz
11:49 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=10517 normal, P5 - low, ---, rudolfbyker, Signed Off , koha-restore fails to create mysqluser@mysql_hostname so zebra update fails
11:50 cait and if yo ufeel inclined... just pqa it
11:52 ashimema it's so long since I looked at it I have no idea if it's right any more
11:52 ashimema ☹️
11:52 cait maybe we need to move it back to NSO then :(
11:52 * ashimema decided to just trust his past self
11:53 cait heh
11:53 * cait pots potatoes on, brb
11:54 * oleonard doesn't trust his past self at all
11:54 ashimema hehe
11:54 ashimema yeah.. I struggle to trust past selves..
11:55 ashimema I'm sure future self would agree current self is untrustworthy too 😛
11:55 oleonard Exactly
12:01 cait who would be good to check your past self's work in this case?
12:02 oleonard How far in the future to find a self who is smart enough to check past self from 5 months ago?
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12:05 jaffar i want name and address of companies who are dealing with koha
12:07 oleonard jaffar:
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12:15 domm When using SRU to import new data, I can use XLST to filter out some fields/subfields. Is it possible (and if so, how) to use SRU to enhance existing data, and mark some fields/subfields as to be never overwritten by an SRU import/update?
12:16 domm When I drop fields via XLST and use "Replace record via SRU", all the old data is gone - ok, "replace" is strong hint that this is to be expected :-)
12:17 cait not with XSLT, but I think you can do that with the new rules
12:17 tuxayo hi #koha :
12:17 tuxayo :)
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12:18 cait domm: but it's a 21.11 feature
12:18 cait Administration > Record overlay rules
12:20 marcelr oleonard: i am close to guessing your password :)
12:20 tcohen <.<
12:20 cait tcohen++ thx!
12:21 domm cait: ok, where's that documented?
12:21 cait I am on bug 30475 now
12:21 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30475 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Convert tools pages tabs to Bootstrap (part 2)
12:22 cait i am not sure if it's gone into the manual yet, but they did a somewhat nice writeup as part of the bug, let me find it
12:22 tcohen marcelr: have you synced with fridolin about those bugs that fix install vs. upgrade?
12:23 cait domm: bug 14957 and[…]b2f350df00fec661f
12:23 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=14957 new feature, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, RESOLVED FIXED, Write protecting MARC fields based on source of import
12:23 domm cait: thx!
12:23 marcelr tcohen: what do you mean?
12:24 tcohen that fridolin has been working on those situations, not sure how deep
12:24 tcohen just asking if you both communicated about it
12:24 marcelr he pushed two already so he should know?
12:24 ashimema the docs merge went in a few days ago
12:24 ashimema just trying to find a link
12:25 marcelr i think fridolin was catching up recent dbix omissions tcohen ?
12:25 tcohen marcelr: ok, I saw those passing on my inbox and didn't get into depth, just felt like asking if some overlapping could be taking place
12:25 tcohen I will test yours now
12:25 tcohen :-D
12:25 marcelr great
12:26 marcelr i am having a strange issue between 20.11 and master with bug 30449
12:26 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30449 minor, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Missing FK constraint on borrower_attribute_types
12:26 marcelr on master kohastructure change is ok while i add a FK for a table that is defined later
12:27 marcelr but on 20.11 the installer doesnt like it
12:27 marcelr while i assume that fk checking is off while running that script
12:28 ashimema hmm
12:28 ashimema the latest merges don't appear to be in the manual build!
12:28 ashimema grr
12:28 marcelr is that grr from grrumpy ?
12:28 ashimema domm:[…]/-/commits/master
12:29 ashimema that's the overlay rules documentation
12:30 ashimema I can't for the life of me work out why I can't seem to see it on[…]n/html/index.html though ☹️
12:30 cait ashimema: eat your cookie!
12:30 ashimema lol
12:32 * cait will tell you something happy: Tue 18:59
12:32 cait who can tell me what that is?
12:32 cait come on... one guess? :)
12:32 tcohen can I get some attention on bug 30587
12:32 domm ok, I was also wondering why I can't find any mention of this in the docs
12:32 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30587 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Incorrect translations in some templates
12:32 oleonard cait: No idea!
12:33 tcohen cait: cookies are ready?
12:33 cait oleonard: oldest bug in QA queue!
12:33 oleonard Nice!
12:33 ashimema lol
12:33 cait I can't remember when we last got this close to "today"
12:33 ashimema oh relaly
12:33 ashimema cool
12:34 cait so... if we dealt with the 5 from Tue today... we could stay within a week's timeframe
12:35 marcelr this IF is very powerful
12:36 cait I hope it is... trying to get you all to play the game with me :)
12:36 * cait hands tcohen his anti-grump cookie too
12:37 * tcohen feels better
12:37 tcohen marcelr: about your db structure-sync bugs
12:38 marcelr tcohen any idea about the cause of that fk problem ^^
12:38 tcohen what do you think we should do with libraries with bad data?
12:38 tcohen which one marcelr?
12:38 tcohen 30449
12:38 marcelr i was thinking that i need to do an eval around some db stats
12:38 marcelr the FK on 30449
12:39 tcohen the atomic update is run inside a transaction
12:39 marcelr refers to categories which is not yet there
12:39 marcelr yeah but i should test the result before i finish ?
12:40 tcohen I feel like we could be reporting back to the user
12:40 tcohen yeah
12:40 marcelr it might not be needed everywhere but if you see one, fail them
12:41 tcohen I leave those bugs for a couple hours
12:41 tcohen found something I should finish first
12:41 tcohen heh
12:41 marcelr but the inconsistency with fks between 20.11 and master is strange
12:41 ashimema the test failure for search_patrons highlights some weird behavoir.. again.. on the main patron search to me.
12:42 ashimema severine_q:  still around?
12:42 severine_q yes ashimema !
12:43 ashimema do you happen to have a moment to talk patron search.. again..
12:43 severine_q how can I help you ?
12:43 ashimema so after all this patron searching stuff...
12:43 severine_q sure
12:43 ashimema once your on members/
12:43 ashimema a) can you ever use the 'clear filter' button on the datatable search box?
12:44 ashimema I thought you could.. but it appears not in my testing today.. it's always greyed out
12:44 severine_q ok, let me open my devbox and i'll check that
12:46 cait brb
12:47 severine_q i have a question too :)
12:47 severine_q I just found some weird action logs generated on an item for 'onloan' data, anyone who can explain it ?
12:47 oleonard ashimema: Can confirm.
12:48 severine_q argh... oleonard is too quick for me !
12:48 severine_q I confirm too ashimema
12:48 ashimema I'm wondering when that happened oleonard.. could have swarn at hackfest that wasn't the case
12:48 ashimema that log is a data dumper output of the whole loan object by the looks severine_q
12:48 ashimema nasty
12:48 oleonard I assume the patron search updates somewhere, but that could be jumping to conclusions
12:49 ashimema huh?
12:49 ashimema not sure I follow oleonard
12:49 oleonard The switch to the API for all patron searches.
12:49 * ashimema still doesn't like having soooooo many search boxes on this page
12:49 ashimema ah yes..
12:49 ashimema well.. that's what I meant
12:50 ashimema I help test and QA that whole patch series and I'm sure when testing it was working ☹️
12:50 ashimema but I can't see any changes since to have broken it since then
12:50 ashimema the other issue I'm seeing is the way searches are combined.. again
12:50 * oleonard feels like he has tempted fate to lay the blame on himself
12:50 ashimema I pointed this out really early on and I thought it was fixed
12:50 ashimema haha
12:50 ashimema don't think it was you oleonard
12:51 ashimema the other thing I would like to know is how you think searches should work in combination
12:51 ashimema so.. search for something in the left search stuff.. then add a search on top using the datatables search box.. then finally.. filter more by searching using the 'Name' search box in the header bar of the table..
12:52 ashimema they should all combine on top of each other as a filter.. aparently..
12:52 ashimema but I'm getting them nuking some results they shouldn't be
12:52 severine_q I just found scenne shot I took during hackfest when testing 20063 ashimema, and it seems the option didn't work
12:52 severine_q
12:53 severine_q see https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=30063#c23
12:53 ashimema awesome severine_q
12:53 huginn Bug 30063: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Make the main patron search use the /patrons REST API route
12:53 ashimema so that's not a regression since hackfest.. but possibly one we missed during hackfest
12:53 severine_q argh... I'm sorry I missed that...
12:53 ashimema do you agree it should be usable and not disabled at all times
12:53 ashimema no worries
12:53 severine_q I agree
12:53 ashimema I must have missed it too.. though I could have sworn I tested it.
12:53 oleonard If we kept the single-field search filter at the top of patron search results I would think it would be an additional filter on top of whatever search the sidebar filter did.
12:54 severine_q yes me too !!
12:54 oleonard But I also think the single-field search filter could be eliminated.
12:54 ashimema that page scares me..
12:54 oleonard :)
12:54 ashimema you have a search box in the header at the top of the page.. then another on the left side of the page.. then another in the header of the datatable.. then another for each column of the table in the tables thead
12:56 severine_q I like all those search fields
12:57 ashimema I think librarians will likely need training to use them 😉
12:57 ashimema but yeah.. i do think they're not working as intended righ tnow
12:57 ashimema which is a regression
12:58 severine_q we've got many patron, specifically with short asiastic name that can be use for both firstname or last name and it can be quite difficult to find the good borrower !
12:58 severine_q but it's only useful if it works as expected... :/
12:58 ashimema I understand
12:58 ashimema I've resigned to having all these fields
12:59 ashimema all I'm saying is right now in master.. it's not working the way it was at hackfest
12:59 ashimema we have a regression which the unit test is catching
12:59 ashimema thanks for verifying what it was meant to do though.. that's helpful
12:59 severine_q weird...
12:59 ashimema my brain was getting addled 😜
12:59 severine_q you're welcome !
13:00 severine_q I can imagine, it took me 3 days to test it !!!
13:00 oleonard severine_q++
13:00 severine_q so I can barelly imagine the QA !!
13:11 tcohen marcelr: I've added a possible way to do it on bug 30449, feel free to ditch it and provide your own's
13:11 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30449 minor, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Missing FK constraint on borrower_attribute_types
13:11 tcohen I basically added bad codes and checked it explodes and with mine at least tells something meaningful
13:11 marcelr cool
13:12 marcelr no patches left
13:12 marcelr no patches, no bugs !
13:12 tcohen y always forget to confirm :-D
13:15 marcelr looks good to me tcohen thx
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13:19 Satish_PP Hello
13:19 oleonard Hi Satish_PP
13:19 Satish_PP Thanks for reply
13:19 tcohen hola Satish_PP
13:20 Satish_PP I have a query as below
13:20 Satish_PP We would like to install multiple Koha instances on the same server with only 2 ports opened 80 and 443 for all customers for STAFF and OPAC pages in AWS cloud  Pls let us know how do we achieve this using virtual hosts or configuration changes in Ubuntu OS
13:21 cait you could use sub domains I think
13:21 tcohen that is done automatically when you use the koha-common package, and the koha-create script to generate each instance
13:22 cait ... etc.
13:23 cait marcelr: saw your QA contact rahter later - I am stealing bug 30288 from you I tihnk :)
13:23 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Signed Off , Provide links to OPACUserJS and OPACUserCSS in tools
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13:25 cait ... and ignore the typos please
13:26 cait y
13:33 Satish_PP If we open multiple ports for each customer with sub domain name, we're facing CPU and Memory issues all the time
13:33 Satish_PP and this is slowly the server
13:33 cait you don't need pultimple ports
13:34 cait well, only 2 - but you need to have differnet URLs for the different instances somehow
13:37 Satish_PP We have done that... and it is working also... But the WWW-DATA is taking complete CPU and RAM of the AWS server
13:37 Satish_PP This is slowing down the server all the time
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13:43 Satish_PP Can we configure thro only 2 ports ... i.e., 80 and 443 for all customers? ... Each customer will have different sub domain name
13:44 cait yes - but not sure if that#s really the problem you are seeing with CPU and RAM
13:45 tcohen wtf is CookieManager?
13:45 tcohen haha
13:45 * tcohen has been intermitently absent for two weeks only
13:45 tcohen and don't know about that LOL
13:50 cait welcome to my world of you guys always changing things! :)
13:51 tcohen :-D
13:51 tcohen XD even
13:51 cait tcohen: do you have time for bug 23991? i could give it a go
13:51 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=23991 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Move SearchSuggestion to Koha::Suggestions
13:52 tcohen I'm working on bug 29924 right now
13:52 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29924 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Introduce password expiration to patron categories
13:52 tcohen so go ahead
13:53 cait ok :)
13:53 cait tcohen: are you working through that tree?
14:03 ashimema ooh.. did they rebase it tcohen
14:03 cait bbiab #koha
14:05 tcohen ashimema: I'm about to submit a couple follow-up patches, minor ones
14:05 ashimema cool
14:08 tcohen wanna check it too? I'm submitting
14:08 ashimema excellent.. I had a weird feeling it added a temporary password or something.. glad to see that isn't the case on a quick glance
14:09 ashimema I trust your QA tcohen..
14:09 ashimema nice you beat me to it 🙂
14:09 tcohen I have one doubt
14:09 ashimema go on.. I'm happy to take a look
14:09 tcohen how password expiration (as opossed to 'account') should interact with OAuth or cookie based auth
14:10 ashimema good question
14:10 ashimema hmm
14:10 tcohen I was about to add tests for OAuth
14:10 ashimema my gut says it shouldn't
14:10 tcohen and then it felt like password is one way to interact with Koha, with its own expiration thing
14:10 ashimema i.e if you already have a vaild OAuth token or valid cookie.. they have their own expire schedules
14:10 tcohen and API keys is another matter
14:11 ashimema so they should continue to work
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14:11 ashimema unless something else expires them like a logout
14:11 ashimema I find our API key stuff a bit tricky
14:12 ashimema I really want a distinction between 'API User' and 'Normal user who also has one or more API keys'
14:12 ashimema i.e.  I'm really looking forward to full fat OAuth support with more than just credentials grant
14:15 cait Kyle just said he is waiting for 30584 to be able to release - Elasticsearch, if someone can take it
14:16 cait oh kidclamp++ (just PQA'd it)
14:16 khall_ cait yeah, now it's up to the RM :)
14:23 tcohen ashimema: agreed
14:24 ashimema I'm going mad.. sure I've fixed this before but can't for the life of me remember how or where
14:25 ashimema if you have an action button in a datatable.. and the action has a class which has a click even bound..
14:25 ashimema how do you get the second page of datatables results to work with the click events
14:26 oleonard You have to attach the event to a "higher" element in the markup. $("body").on("click", ".action", function(){
14:26 oleonard ".action" being the selector for the actual button
14:26 ashimema lol.. I see the same button in the boraccount page just has an href instead
14:26 ashimema I see.
14:27 ashimema thanks oleonard
14:27 oleonard Yeah, use a regular link if you want to. Just not for "destructive" actions. Delete should always use a form.
14:27 ashimema do we have a best practice on how high to bind?
14:28 ashimema i.e your example there.. do we generally stick to body (as the highest level)
14:28 oleonard ashimema: I think it only depends on whether there is anything else which is going to be updated in the DOM.
14:28 ashimema or can I go a bit lower.. assume I can't bind to the table itself.. as that would have the same problem maybe
14:28 * ashimema tries
14:28 oleonard I don't know if there are inefficiencies for targeting a higher element.
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15:11 triveni hi
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15:27 cait oleonard-away: wondering about htis change:
15:27 cait -                <option value=""></option>
15:27 cait +                <option value="">None selected</option>
15:27 cait i always feel like an empty option is a cleaner look
15:27 cait faster to see what is missing with no text... but not sure if we have ever discussed that
15:27 ashimema anyone got any thoughts/comments regarding bug 30611 ?
15:27 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Add ability to send passwordreseturl in the Welcome email
15:28 * ashimema intends to work on it this week in the hopes it goes through this cycle (to go with all the welcome email changes already pushed this cycle)
15:28 ashimema but wouldn't mind some people's thoughts on the direction it should take
15:28 cait I think the idea is good, but not ure how easy it is
15:28 cait where do you trigger the entry to the table?
15:29 cait parsing the notice content when it is sent out?
15:29 ashimema I can work through the technicals fairly easily I think
15:29 ashimema it's the workflow I'm trying to consider
15:29 ashimema the UX
15:30 cait ah ... separate or ont
15:30 cait hm
15:30 ashimema like the actual link needs hiding in the notices display too.. that  could get more tricky
15:30 cait as they expire pretty soon, maybe it would be better as a separate feature
15:30 ashimema so parhaps it is it's own notice entirely
15:30 cait not sure hiding is necesary/done now
15:31 cait hm but I see your point
15:31 * ashimema should check that
15:32 cait hm would be good
15:33 oleonard cait: I though I'd gotten an accessibility warning in the past with empty <option>s, but now I'm not seeing confirmation of that. I must have been mistaken.
15:33 cait hm interesting
15:37 cait I am not really finding much on either/or
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16:22 cait ashimema: could you have a quick look at bug 30563 with me?
16:22 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30563 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Add system preference to make the cash register field required when collecting a payment
16:22 ashimema sure.. give me a min
16:34 * cait plays the jeopardy melody ;)
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16:40 ashimema hi
16:40 ashimema sorry
16:40 ashimema back now
16:40 ashimema was in a meeting
16:42 cait all good
16:42 cait I was mainly wondering: isn't the register already mandatory?
16:42 cait or only with cash and that is the difference?
16:43 ashimema right now it's only mandatory if it's cash
16:43 ashimema I can't see any reason for not passing this patch so far, it looks good
16:44 cait ok :)
16:44 ashimema functionally for cash management it's a hard requirement to be required for cash type transactions.. but this doesn't hurt that at all.. just enhances it 🙂
16:44 cait i wonder what other cash types would make sense tbh
16:44 ashimema I'd say PQA just looking at the code.. if you happen to have it checked out then go for it 🙂
16:44 ashimema transaction_types
16:45 ashimema cash, credit_card, debit_card
16:45 cait I was already working on ti, you can leave it to me
16:45 ashimema 🙂
16:45 cait yeah but if you do a cashout...
16:45 cait the credit_card transactions will make it go wrong
16:45 ashimema the important thing is that registers only get assigned to actions that are a 'transfer for money'
16:45 cait i mean the action of taking out money
16:45 ashimema i.e. where you actually pass money from patron to library (or vica versa)
16:45 cait yeah, you don't do that for debit or credit card
16:46 ashimema we do a number of other things.. like writeoff.. where it wouldn't make any sense
16:46 ashimema well you do..
16:46 ashimema your still giving money to the library.. even if it's electronic
16:46 cait but it doesn't change the amount of cash in the register
16:46 ashimema in the writeoff case the library never receives the money at all.. it's just saying they don't want the money any more.
16:46 ashimema yeah.. that's true
16:47 cait on cashout you get told how much money you can take out of th eregister
16:47 ashimema but you can still refined that by the transaction type.. and i believe that's what things like Cashup do already
16:47 ashimema yup
16:47 cait that will be thrown off by non-cash transactions
16:47 cait not sure
16:47 ashimema it shouldn't do..
16:48 cait unless it has cash hardcoded somewhere i am not sure how it would not :)
16:49 cait but I filed a couple of issues with the cashout/registers ... some things there are still a little odd
16:51 ashimema I think it is hardcoded somewhere.. I'm just trying to find where
16:52 ashimema there's some in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog​/en/modules/pos/
16:53 ashimema ` payment_type => 'CASH') * -1`
16:53 ashimema also koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog​/en/modules/pos/
16:55 ashimema seems it's only in those templates
16:55 ashimema but that's enough to yield the right results in theory.
16:55 ashimema right.. I should probably clock off.. family are waiting 😉
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17:09 reiveune bye
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17:23 cait have a nice evening ashimema
17:23 ashimema You too cait
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