IRC log for #koha, 2020-12-08

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07:24 alex_a Bonjour
07:24 wahanui kia ora, alex_a
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07:39 reiveune hello
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08:36 ashimema good morning 'koha
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08:37 nlegrand bonjour
08:37 wahanui hi, nlegrand
08:37 nlegrand wahanui: a good day sir
08:37 wahanui nlegrand: huh?
08:37 nlegrand wahanui: calire taught me how to speak proper english
08:37 wahanui nlegrand: sorry...
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08:47 magnuse \o/
08:53 ashimema OK.. silly question
08:53 ashimema our translations system.. what 'language codes' do we use..
08:54 ashimema do we stick fo ISO 359 ?
08:54 ashimema sorry, ISO 639.. and if we do.. do we stick to a particular version?
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09:56 ashimema Joubu++ #KohaAdvent
09:56 ashimema https://koha-community.gitlab.[…]translate-plugin/
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10:28 fridolin whoo
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11:41 ashimema oleonard around?
11:41 oleonard Kinda!
11:41 ashimema got a moment for some UX thoughts?
11:42 ashimema I'm resurrecting bug 26282
11:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26282 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, ASSIGNED , Allow staff to decide if a hold cancellation notice will be sent when cancelling a hold
11:42 oleonard Sure
11:42 ashimema wanted your thoughts on "Checkbox for notify" vs "Confirm/Confirm and notify/Cancel" buttons
11:43 oleonard Off the top of my head I'd say buttons for everything. Checkboxes are so fiddly.
11:44 oleonard And we have other instances of "confirm and notify" so it won't look weird
11:45 ashimema coolios.. that's what I thought
11:45 ashimema further to that.. at what point would you say we cross into 'too many button options' territory
11:45 ashimema I've not spotted we already have a 'Confirm' and 'Confirm and return to' option on one of the modal
11:46 ashimema oh.. hang on.. it's 'Confirm and return' OR 'Confirm' depending on a param
11:46 ashimema that could still work
11:46 ashimema I'll have a punt
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12:43 domm We are currently looking into fixing/implementing bug 27146 (prefill/autogenerate values). Currently we can use the value_builder plugins to create a value when a user focuses a field. But users still need to click/tab through all the fields.
12:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27146 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , add pluggability to save/store on add/edit bibliographic data
12:43 domm We are thinking of adding functionality to either prefill some fields (000, 004, 005) on load, or before the submit.
12:43 domm Currently users get an alert containing missing fields, and after closing the alert the defaults are prefilled.
12:43 domm AFAIK Mark Hofstätter discussed our (very rough) plan here?
12:43 domm I'm not sure if we should implement this in Koha itself (cataloguing/addbiblio.pl and cataloguing/value_builder/) or via a plugin.
12:43 domm And if you prefere a JavaScript solution, or something actually happening in the Perl backend.
12:43 domm And if there is better place to discuss this than IRC (mailing list? bugzilla?), please point me to it.
12:50 magnuse anyone else having trouble with bath decord modification and marc modification templates? i'm trying to do "Add new field 942$c with value Y if 952$c matches X" but no 942 is added to the record. there are some errors in the apache log
12:51 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "batch_record_modification" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26425
12:51 magnuse same lack of results for "Update existing or add new"
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13:03 magnuse s/bath decord/batch record/
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13:10 tuxayo domm: hi :) here can be a good place, it depend on the moment and who is around. Otherwise it's the Developers List https://koha-community.org/sup[…]ha-mailing-lists/
13:17 domm tuxayo: ok, so I'll wait a bit if anybody comments here, and if not, send a mail...
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13:33 ashimema anyone here familiar with holds and the cancellation flows?
13:34 * ashimema is trying to understand what the 'Update hold(s)' button does.. it's really unclear from the UI
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13:57 caroline ashimema: where is that button? user's file or holds lists?
13:58 ashimema biblio page, holds tab
13:58 ashimema I 'think' it is only used when you change the pickup location
13:58 ashimema frankly.. I find that page really funky and odd
13:59 ashimema changing priorities, cancelling and suspending are inline actions in the table(s)
13:59 ashimema but changing date, expiration and pickup library I 'think' require you to click the 'Update hold(s)' button above the table?
14:00 ashimema there's some weirdly hidden forms in there too.. which I can't for the life of me work out how to trigger them
14:00 ashimema but they do flash up on page load before dissapearing again
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14:19 oleonard ashimema tcohen and I have talked about updating that table to use the API for many months now
14:19 oleonard I've taken a crack at it but never really got anywhere
14:19 ashimema :)
14:19 oleonard Was waiting on his DataTables API stuff
14:19 ashimema it's a mess
14:20 ashimema even without updating it to full on API I'm sure we could do better
14:20 ashimema just making it more consistent
14:20 ashimema it's a weird mix of flows at the minute
14:21 ashimema there's a JS hidden 'cancellation reason' select box under the 'Update hold(s)' button.. any idea how that is ever exposed?
14:23 oleonard No idea.
14:24 ashimema okies
14:24 oleonard I was reluctant to make incremental changes to the form since an API conversion would touch every aspect of it.
14:24 ashimema fair enough
14:27 caroline ashimema: The only time I've used the button 'Update hold(s)' is when I change the priority using the drop-down instead of the arrows
14:27 ashimema interesting.. I can't use the dropdowns.. they're greyed out too
14:28 caroline weird...
14:28 ashimema do you agree the UX here is just plain weird?
14:28 ashimema or am I just going a little mad
14:29 caroline Kind of, but I'm used to it (I mean, I have to show it at every training and there are much more frustrating things in Koha than this)
14:29 ashimema lol
14:29 ashimema fair enough
14:29 caroline I don't see the use of have the drop-downs AND the arrows though
14:30 ashimema dropdowns, arrows on the left and arrows on the right you mean ;)
14:30 ashimema maybe 'toggle lowest priority' does something different to 'move to bottom' ?
14:30 ashimema but if it does.. perhaps it should have a different icon entirely.
14:31 caroline no I get why the arrows on the left and right (the arrown on the right is dangerous, it has to be separated)
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14:31 clrh .4
14:31 clrh oups hello
14:31 caroline but the drop-down on the left and the arrowns on the left do the same thing afaik
14:32 ashimema mmm,
14:32 * ashimema doesn't think he has the brains today to update this modal.. the code is too random in here
14:32 oleonard Drag-and-drop reordering was on the menu, fwiw
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14:33 caroline drago and drop would be nice
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14:51 ivandz Hello!
14:54 ivandz I created my own file (API) opac/svc/..pl, but when I do GET to this file, I see always a 500 Internal Server Error. I don't have problems in my log. Why?
15:07 tuxayo ivandz: hi :) which logfile did you check?
15:07 tuxayo there are various and the one for the API is separate
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15:37 fridolin Bug 27164
15:37 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27164 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Fix item search CSV export
15:38 fridolin piouf what a mess
15:38 fridolin ivandz: oh opac/svc/ is not a 'real' API
15:38 fridolin it reguolar perl CGI
15:38 fridolin check execution permission first
15:38 fridolin real API il /api/v1/
15:39 fridolin you can create new in Koha plugins
15:46 caroline I need a dev's help for documentation...  I'm updating this section of the manual https://koha-community.org/man[…]ification-sources which is ... let's say lacking... For the filing rules, Koha's dev's did a great job in the comments ecxplaining what C4/ClassSortRoutine/Dewey.pm and Generic.pm do but LCC is a perl library and I can't figure out what it does
15:48 caroline Can someone read it and tell me what it does? (like changes to uppercase, removes spaces, etc)
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16:30 domm Can I somehow override / adapt / change cataloguing/value_builder/marc21_field_005.pl
16:30 domm like via some plugin system or a config entry?
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17:04 domm ah, I see I can choose a plugin for each MARC21 field in the Tag editor (Administration › MARC frameworks › BKS framework structure › Tag 000 subfield structure › Edit subfields constraints)
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17:12 tuxayo Hi again :) If someone using Koha testing docker wants to do an easy signoff (change config and run tests) bug 27055 is for you ;)
17:12 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27055 major, P5 - low, ---, victor, Needs Signoff , Update Firefox version used in Selenium GUI tests
17:14 tuxayo Using Firefox 47 for automated test is quite an issue. I'm keen to write more UI tests but this update needs to be done first.
17:14 ashimema That's a good one to test
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17:19 reiveune bye
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17:19 tuxayo Good thing I have Jonathan providing QA feedback. Does anyone know who else writes UI tests? So in the future I won't always have to rely on Jonathan for reviews.
17:20 ashimema Tomas and I write some
17:21 ashimema I'd encourage more..
17:31 tuxayo Good news, it will be easier to expand the coverage with two other people that can review
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17:37 KotH good evening!
17:37 KotH I get a Configuration not defined at /usr/share/perl5/Log/Log4perl/Config.pm line 579. when trying to add an item
17:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D8 build #28: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.05_D8/28/
17:38 KotH it seems like config_read() is called with an undefined variable in Log4perl/Config.pm line 147
17:38 KotH could it be that the check in said line is wrong: $data = config_read($config) unless defined $data;
17:38 KotH this looks very much like it should be "unless defined $config"
17:40 KotH see https://pastebin.com/BLdekBze for a stack trace
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17:55 KotH and the root cause of the problem is a missing <log4perl_conf>/etc/koha/sites/$S​ITE/log4perl.conf</log4perl_conf>  in koha-conf.xml. apparently the debian package adds the log4perl config file but forgets to add it to the global config
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18:41 AndrewFH @tuxayo @mtj @Joubu anyone around to look at this Jenkins error I created on my first push as rmaint?
18:41 huginn AndrewFH: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
18:41 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
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19:09 koha-jenkins tcohen: Bug 26988: (QA follow-up) Unit tests
19:09 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26988 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to oldstable , Defer loading the hold pickup locations until the dropdown is selected
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19:49 tuxayo AndrewFH: unlikely related to your work
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19:51 tuxayo «error: index-pack died of signal 15»
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19:53 tuxayo AndrewFH: however, for the builds that don't crash, the failure on t/db_dependent/api/v1/holds.t looks legit.
19:54 AndrewFH Thanks, @tuxayo, happy I've created an instability rather than a failure :P I'll bug kyle and nick about that issue
19:55 tuxayo AndrewFH: That's why the CI is here for ^^ to catch that
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20:15 tuxayo > stderr: error: failed to write new configuration file /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha​_20.05_D8/.git/config.lock
20:15 tuxayo Meh, multiple issues
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23:08 dcook Well this is fun: https://blog.centos.org/2020/1[…]is-centos-stream/
23:08 dcook Maybe it'll mean more Koha users on Debian/Ubuntu heh
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