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fridolin |
hi there |
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* fridolin |
releasing 17.05.13 |
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ashimema |
:) |
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ashimema |
fridolin++ |
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jenkins |
Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #103: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_17.05_D8/103/ |
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* kyle: Bug 18821: TrackLastPatronActivity is a performance killer |
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* kyle: Bug 18821: Convert to using cache with date checking |
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* m.de.rooy: Bug 18821: (QA follow-up) Last tweaks for performance |
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jenkins |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 20922: Remove use of Koha::Number::Price in updatedatabase.pl |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18821 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , TrackLastPatronActivity is a performance killer |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20922 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Koha::Number::Price must not be used in updatedatabase.pl |
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Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #104: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_17.05_D8/104/ |
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* unknown: Translation updates for Koha 17.05.13 |
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* fridolin.somers: Increment version for 17.05.13 release |
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* fridolin.somers: Update release notes for 17.05.13 release |
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josef_moravec |
fridolin++ |
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cait++ |
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fridolin |
thanks ;) |
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josef_moravec |
fridolin: you are doing great job on 17.05, we're still using it in production ;) |
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fridolin |
oki I'll try to stabilise it |
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fridolin |
until 17.05.16 |
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josef_moravec |
that's absolutaly OK? we are planning to migrate to 18.05 during the summer (sometimes) ;) |
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cait |
josef_moravec: we still need qa, but some tiem to the next release now |
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AndrewIsh_ |
Hey all. Is anyone aware of any outstanding performance bugs on the REST API? I've been looking at poor response times on the ILL endpoint and discovered it actually appears to affect all endpoints. For example, a GET request to the /api/v1/cities endpoint, is taking 5.7s to respond with an empty response, similarly, a very simple GET on all ILL requests takes a similar time to response, with only 6 requests. Is anyone already aware of this? |
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ashimema |
I thought it was ILL specific due to the complex nature of the db |
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ashimema |
but perhaps not |
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For those sorts of delays, my first thought is often a failing DNS lookup. |
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cait |
AndrewIsh_: usng plack? |
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ashimema: That was my thought, but no, I'm seeing the same on cities |
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eythian: I'm seeing the same problem across my dev server and a customer's test server, so not likely to be DNS |
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cait: Seeing it both with Plack and without |
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cait |
something to discuss with tcohen maybe - for the limited testing I did with browser tools it didn't seem esepcially slow, but I might just not have noticed |
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josef_moravec |
i didn't notice the slow api nor in tests or using browser |
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AndrewIsh_: play around with something like this, and/or nytprof then perhaps https://metacpan.org/pod/Plack[…]are::ServerTiming |
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Hi #koha |
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AndrewIsh_ |
Thanks eythian - I will try that! |
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tcohen |
AndrewIsh_: https://snag.gy/YlVPKi.jpg |
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tcohen |
I think you had plack disabled due to incompatibility with Shibboleth? |
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AndrewIsh_ |
tcohen: Interesting, glad it's not something inherently wrong with the API :) I'm going to do some more testing, I've seen the problem on both Plack and non-Plack instances. I'll dig some more and report back. Thanks for that screenshot, very reassuring :D |
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that's returning 40-ish patrons that come with the sample data |
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gveranis |
hi koha# |
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gveranis |
I would like to ask if community has a plugin for the field 000 creation on authorities in UNIMARC mode |
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ashimema |
is there any magic that needs doing for a plugin to work under plack? |
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ashimema |
I get `Can't locate object method "output_html" via package "Koha::Plugin::Com::...` |
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ashimema |
if i run under cgi there's no such error |
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ashimema: it's a new method (since 18.05 I think) of Koha::Plugins::Base |
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ashimema |
oh.. thanks |
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cait |
hi oleonard :) |
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Hi cait |
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semarie |
hi. I have a quite old koha installation (3.06.12) I would like to upgrade to latest. what is the right way to do it ? |
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caroline |
hello everyone! |
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oleonard |
Hi caroline |
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caroline |
Hi oleonard! |
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oleonard |
semarie: The advice I've always heard about migrating old installations is to export your Koha database and import it into a fresh, up-to-date Koha installation. |
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oleonard |
semarie: It is not recommended that you upgrade an installation which is that old. |
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oleonard |
semarie: It's not my area of expertise, I'm just repeating what I've heard. |
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oleonard: about the "export". it is just a mysqldump ? |
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oleonard |
semarie: Yes |
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eythian |
a mysqldump and reload is pretty much the same as doing an upgrade |
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semarie |
for now, I have done it this way, but I am unsure about the upgrade process. |
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semarie |
installer/install.pl doesn't see the "old" version |
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semarie |
"Nous effectuons une mise à jour de Koha 18.05.00.000 à Koha 18.05.00.000" |
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semarie |
which is wrong. the starting point isn't 18.05.00.000 |
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semarie |
but I saw some command-line tools like: koha-upgrade-to-3.4 |
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semarie |
"Performs the necessary changes to upgrade a Koha system from 3.2 to 3.4" |
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Joubu |
hi semarie |
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Joubu |
you have 3.6 |
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so you do not need this script |
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Joubu |
I would restart memcached |
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semarie |
ah yes :) |
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semarie |
Joubu: thanks. now it see the right version |
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Joubu |
semarie: 18.05.01 has been released yesterday, it fixes several big issues of .00 |
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semarie |
I installed using debian packages for 'stable' |
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Joubu |
packages will be available in the next few days |
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semarie |
so I will be able to check how upgrade using package is :) |
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* oleonard |
anxiously awaits the exciting turnover to Bug 21000 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21000 could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId |
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tuxayo |
^^ |
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cait |
ashimema: do you happen to know if ldap can map extended patron attributes now? |
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lavamind_ |
oleonard: there you go, filed bug 21000 :) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21000 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , debian/build-git-snapshot script ignores --distribution |
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tcohen: a ref to koha-plack is missing from the wiki install pages, right? |
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oleonard |
lavamind_: Just as exciting as Bug 1000. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1000 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED INVALID, installer: drop/suppress entries in mysql if re-launching installer script |
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lavamind_ |
oleonard: maybe not as exciting but hopefully valid ? :P |
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lavamind_ |
data loss bugs are exciting XD |
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* oleonard |
doesn't get excited about bugs he doesn't know how to fix |
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lavamind_ |
I would say, those are the best bugs because you get to learn something |
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ashimema |
No idea I'm afraid cait |
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cait |
nm we will try it out |
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cait |
i found a bug stating it was broken and fixed - so assume it should work |
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cait |
just not sure about syntax |
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Joubu |
@later tell tcohen: a ref to koha-plack is missing from the wiki install pages, right? |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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* wmnickc |
waves |
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tcohen |
Joubu: you are rihgt |
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* kidclamp |
waves |
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oleonard |
kidclamp: Thank goodness we got rid of that interloper |
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tcohen |
cait: I think it does |
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tcohen |
hi kidclamp! |
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kidclamp |
@later tell joubu it should have, apaprently didn't set it up right on my laptop, so my dekstop caught me on next push |
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huginn |
kidclamp: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
kidclamp: hum? context please :) |
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kidclamp |
heh,testing irccloud so forget it steals my nicknameif I try to sign in elsewhere |
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kidclamp |
pre-push should have saved me |
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ha yes |
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* cait |
found more cookies |
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cait |
... and not hapyp about it for a chance |
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cait |
change |
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cait |
issues-table-load-immediately-circulation |
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oleonard |
Oh yeah, that one. |
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cait |
hmm |
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cait |
i must finished the german translation today |
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cait |
we have a library rpeorting issues with the speciy due_date checkbox |
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cait |
like it magically reappearing |
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cait |
so far we can't reproduce it - and the bug survived an update too |
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cait |
so the cookie was just an additional catch... |
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cait |
hm they are right |
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cait |
i remove it weith delete and it comes back |
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cait |
when i switch to another user |
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cait |
hm yep not getting rid of the special due date |
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cait |
hm it's not a cookie... so where does it store that youchecked the checkbox |
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cait |
sessions table |
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cait |
bug 21000 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21000 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , debian/build-git-snapshot script ignores --distribution |
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cait |
not a very existing one |
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cait |
exciting even |
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tcohen |
hi |
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cait |
hi |
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rangi |
hi tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi rangi! |
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rangi |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]oposals#Arrivals_.26_Departures <-- tcohen you should add your details :) |
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wizzyrea |
hi tcohen |
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tcohen |
rangi, indeed! |
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tcohen |
hi wizzyrea |
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gveranis |
hi #koha , I try to do a matching rule for field 001 but nothing worked. I have unimarc koha 17.11. Can someone help ? |
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gveranis |
I follow the documentation : https://koha-community.org/man[…]ministration.html and other guidelines from koha mail listing without success |
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cait |
what info did you enter? |
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cait |
can you share a screenshot? |
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cait |
if you used Control-number that might not work for UNIMARC |
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cait |
gveranis: try Local-number |
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gveranis |
I tried also with no success |
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gveranis |
length should have a value ? |
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cait |
no you can leave that empt |
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cait |
y |
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cait |
offset too |
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cait |
and subfield |
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cait |
leave it |
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cait |
001 has no subfields |
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cait |
the example is very flawed |
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gveranis |
Match Threshold -> 100 |
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cait |
also if you are not using mulitple match points, the match threshold should match the score |
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cait |
score = 100 |
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gveranis |
score 101 |
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gveranis |
a |
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cait |
yeah that makes no sense |
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tcohen |
rangi: done! |
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rangi |
cool :) |
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cait |
ah i tides |
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cait |
sorry |
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cait |
it does |
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cait |
match threshold 101 and score 100 would make no sense |
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cait |
but htey can also be the same, it should work |
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cait |
the important bit usually is the Search index |
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cait |
what are you using there? |
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gveranis |
cait it works now. with Local-number and match threshold = score = 100 |
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cait |
cool :) |
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gveranis |
and if i would like to do a match record rule for a field/subfield that not have search-index |
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gveranis |
it is something feasible ? or not ? |
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cait |
i haven't used it, but it shoudl be possible using the match check |
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gveranis |
with the same arguments as matchpoint ? |
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cait |
see at the bottom of the form? |
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cait |
you can add either match points - they require an index |
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cait |
or you can add match checks |
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cait |
and you can combine both |
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gveranis |
oh ok |
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cait |
match checks are using the db i think (from what i've read somewhere) |
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cait |
usually zebra based matching should be faster |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
Let's try this again… I want to recommend a F.(L.)O.S.S. I.L.S. to a library that is a member of a library union/system. The union/system uses a O.P.A.C. which is Innovative Interfaces, Inc.'s Sierra ILS & Encore Discovery Solution. Assuming that is M.A.R.C., could they use Koha as a client? |
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cait |
I guess it would dependon how hteir union catalog is organized |
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cait |
or library uion |
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cait |
if they all have to use the same ILS koha might not fit in |
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cait |
and koha is a full ILS, so you can't use 'just the OPAC' - if you are just looking for a different search interface |
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gveranis |
Sierra is a central systems which use scopes but the database is one |
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gveranis |
if they want only functionality for OPAC you can suggest Vufind fo the integration between Sierra and other sources |
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gveranis |
they are compatible |
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gveranis |
If they want to use ILS then they cannot use Koha as a client it not the same thing |
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gveranis |
my job is to be it administrator on a such a thing you described in Greece.. 26 academic libraries under a Sierra .. |
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gveranis |
and believe me I search it a lot to move some way to Koha.. |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
Vufind for the library's I.L.S. Hmmm. Thanks. Well the union/system maintains the central database, but the library should be able to do it's own ILS, working with a DB. Thanks. |
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gveranis |
They can move to Koha as seperate ILS and provide records to Enocre |
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gveranis |
if they want to be connected some how.. |
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gveranis |
*Encore |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
This is what I mean. |
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cait |
vufind is not an ILS |
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gveranis |
Vufind only for the OPAC |
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cait |
yep |
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gveranis |
yes it is not ILS |
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gveranis |
Sierra use one postgresql database and each library has an instance of it as a scope.. |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
So, how to use Koha as a ILS with a central database managed by Sierra? |
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gveranis |
impossible |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
> They can move to Koha as seperate ILS and provide records to Enocre |
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gveranis |
yes but only for the records |
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gveranis |
not for loans.. patrons.. you must be informed for library policies |
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gveranis |
Koha has ILL subsystem, Sierra has it also |
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gveranis |
so Koha and Sierra can communicate |
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gveranis |
for loan and maybe patrons |
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gveranis |
but you should check policies |
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gveranis |
Encore can harvest data by OAI-PMH for other sources.. Koha has OAI-PMH for free.. Encore not be carefull ;) |
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gveranis |
for the price.. |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
Ah. So they would have to detatch from the library system/union with patrons and materials, only communicating as ILL for loans. Not good. Thanks. |
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gveranis |
Also Sierra has an API |
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gveranis |
but you need development there for a bridge |
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gveranis |
if you have a budget ;) |
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gveranis |
you can do iy |
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gveranis |
*it |
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gveranis |
the API is really good |
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gveranis |
Koha also has an API , you can retrieve and update etc records, patrons.. and other things from API. but again read policies.. under a union catalogue policies is the main key for all libraries to be engaged |
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gveranis |
with the union .. |
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* MilkManzJourDaddy |
is too. |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
Language barriers, perhaps. |
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gveranis |
maybe |
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cait |
where are you from MilkManzJourDaddy? |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
Well, surely there is restricted acccess, with passcodes" if that is what you mean by "policies". |
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gveranis |
no I mean rules for loan , rules for patron, rules for access on collections etc.. policy is how a library is working under this union |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
I am a traveller, but try to leave a place in the same, or better state than when I arrived, including libraries. Proprietary software is unacceptable. |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
gveranis: Ah, so Koha could work if the policies matched? But member libraries have their own rules, i.e. length of loan and number of renewals. |
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gveranis |
it depends how you connect Koha , policies , Sierra |
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gveranis |
you need to study them |
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gveranis |
The options are 1. Koha - ILL - Sierra |
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gveranis |
2. Koha - Vufind - Sierra - Encore |
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gveranis |
3. Koha - API - Sierra |
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gveranis |
and each solution depends on budget |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
Well, I'll have a look at Vufind, and try to get them on an app' on F-Droid for patrons accessing the catalogue. I hate that Sierra uses the GET method!!! |
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MilkManzJourDaddy |
Thanks. |
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gveranis |
ok Vufind is only for OPAC |
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* MilkManzJourDaddy |
goes "AFK". |
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tcohen |
if someone had a budget to improve Koha's API faster… :-D |
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cait |
gveranis++ |
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gveranis |
cait something to ask again for matching rules. |
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gveranis |
I have set as match point the 001 as you told me and I try to use Match checks also. I want to check if 001 is the same as 942$x for the records I want to update I know is the same |
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gveranis |
but with Matchpoint i have 100% success , with and match check I have 0% success |
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gveranis |
Match Check , incoming 001 and target ( database ) record check field 942$x |
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gveranis |
I try only to use match check but without success also |
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cait |
sorry, about to fall asleep |
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cait |
let me look up something |
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gveranis |
ok |
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cait |
i was looking for a blog post from bywater on it, but he link is broken |
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gveranis |
offset and length for match check should be filled ? |
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cait |
i would only fill that for control fields |
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cait |
wher you need to check for a certain position |
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gveranis |
could you please send me the link ? maybe I can find it on archivewww |
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cait |
https://www.google.com/url?sa=[…]9N7JVsSErftdVsXRa |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
https://bywatersolutions.com/2[…]/2012-10-22_1239/ |
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gveranis |
https://bywatersolutions.com/t[…]al/feed/index.xml |
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gveranis |
above the middle of the page has an explanation |
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gveranis |
*below sorry |
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cait |
hm? |
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cait |
good night #koha |
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gveranis |
good night |
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gveranis |
thanks for your support |
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cait |
gveranis: also might have been this |
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cait |
https://bywatersolutions.com/2[…]h-points-in-koha/ |
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cait |
sadly also down |
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cait |
bye all |
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gveranis |
https://web.archive.org/web/20[…]h-points-in-koha/ |
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gveranis |
no no |
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gveranis |
;) |
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gveranis |
archive the www |
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gveranis |
I read it but just seems not to work as expected |
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gveranis |
thanks again |
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