IRC log for #koha, 2018-02-19

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07:06 paxed cait: could you take a look at my comment on bug 15395
07:06 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Internationalization: plural forms, context, and more
07:17 cait I've seen it
07:18 cait but honestly i didn't touch that bug becuase I still don't understand how it's supposed to work :(
07:20 paxed well, what about what i said in my comment?
07:22 cait if it's like that, you are completely right
07:22 cait we need to keep the sentences together for as much context as possible and so you can move the placeholders
07:24 paxed i know
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07:27 reiveune hello
07:29 cait sorry, have to run bbl
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07:54 marcelr hi #koha
07:54 LibraryClaire hi marcelr
07:54 marcelr hi LibraryClaire
08:01 magnuse hiya laurence reiveune AndrewIsh marcelr LibraryClaire
08:01 marcelr o/
08:01 reiveune \o
08:01 laurence hello
08:02 LibraryClaire hey magnuse
08:02 magnuse \o/
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08:14 fridolin hi there
08:14 * fridolin im back ;)
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08:22 AndrewIsh Hi magnuse :)
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08:23 gaetan_B hello
08:23 wahanui hi, gaetan_B
08:24 magnuse hiya gaetan_B
08:24 magnuse gaetan_B: it's skrei-season again!
08:24 gaetan_B hi magnuse! aaah i wish i was there to enjoy a good skreimølje!
08:25 gaetan_B i guess i'll have to do with cheese at the hackfest instead
08:25 magnuse yeah, not a bad substitute :-)
08:27 tuxayo hi #koha o/
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08:28 cait good morning #koha .)
08:34 tuxayo hi cait :)
08:34 cait hi tuxayo :)
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08:34 cait good morning josef_moravec
08:35 josef_moravec morning cait
08:35 josef_moravec you were working hard  during weekend, right?
08:35 marcelr hi tuxayo cait and josef_moravec
08:35 josef_moravec hi marcelr
08:35 tuxayo hi marcelr :)
08:35 marcelr cait++
08:35 cait trying, hoping not to create too much of a mess :)
08:36 * cait just noticed new translations waiting
08:37 * andreashm waves att everybody
08:37 cait morning andreashm :)
08:39 andreashm hiya cait
08:46 cait josef_moravec: don't forget your sign-off lines :)
08:46 josef_moravec cait: not passed qa yet, sorry, i have one question for Tomas
08:47 cait ah, ok!
08:48 cait he will be happy to have feedback
08:48 eythian hallo
08:48 cait hallo eythian
08:48 cait josef_moravec: what's a patron without flag?
08:49 eythian I think it's trying to snow here, but not quite succeeding.
08:51 josef_moravec cait: normal patron without any permission - should have access to his or her data, we have this implemented in API, in original patch, when an patron without any permission sended PUT request, the patron modification request was created in Koha and librariens should check it - as it is implemented in opac
08:52 josef_moravec but i am not really sure we need it
08:52 cait ah is ee
08:52 cait i misread at first, thx for explaining
08:52 cait maybe coudl still be added later
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08:52 josef_moravec library user probably not will make own application to access libray account ;)
08:54 cait @quote get 123
08:54 wahanui
08:54 huginn` cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
08:54 josef_moravec true ;)
08:57 tuxayo josef_moravec: What about wanting to use an app like
08:57 tuxayo
08:57 tuxayo
08:57 cait meeting bbl
08:58 josef_moravec tuxayo: true, better to make it acces only with patron perrmision than librarian, thanks!
09:12 tuxayo josef_moravec: The API should already apply these restrictions, doesn't it?
09:13 josef_moravec tuxayo: yes, thats why I am asking this on bug 16330
09:13 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16330 new feature, P5 - low, ---, benjamin.rokseth, Failed QA , Add routes to add, update and delete patrons
09:13 tuxayo Another topic: If I understand correctly, there is a string freeze for a minor release. And has been synced and shows new work related to last month change in master right?
09:16 tuxayo josef_moravec: Ok, it's clear now.
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09:57 marcelr thx josef_moravec++ # 20074
10:17 cait tuxayo: yep
10:17 cait that's how it should work, looking good this month
10:18 cait string freeze arond 15th - release around 22nd
10:21 cait josef_moravec++
10:42 josef_moravec marcelr: i added a followup for bug 9701 and rebase it
10:42 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9701 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joachim.ganseman, Needs Signoff , Configure default indicators
10:43 josef_moravec I think we need this for authority frameworks too...
10:43 marcelr great
10:43 marcelr does it interfere much with 14769 ?
10:44 josef_moravec marcelr: don't know yet, just trying
10:44 josef_moravec marcelr: it at least applies cleanly ;)
10:44 marcelr yeah looks so
10:45 marcelr i will test it
10:45 josef_moravec thanks! I have to go now, will be back in an hour
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12:43 tcohen morning
12:44 marcelr hi tcohen
12:44 tcohen hey marcelr
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12:57 tcohen hi alex_a
12:57 alex_a hello tcohen
13:09 * fridolin waves at all of U
13:10 fridolin back from the snowy mountains
13:10 fridolin skiing was aaaaaaaasome
13:10 tcohen wb fridolin
13:12 cait tcohen++
13:12 cait fridolin: all bones still intact?
13:15 fridolin cait: yep no problem
13:15 cait :)
13:15 fridolin my techniq is not that bad ;)
13:15 fridolin it was on 2500m on top
13:15 cait I am very clumsy :)
13:15 fridolin -15°C on one morning
13:15 fridolin the best for good snow
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13:18 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
13:18 huginn` magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Snow :: 30F/-1C | Wind Chill: 19F/-7C | Monday: Occasional snow showers. Temps nearly steady around 30. Winds ENE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of snow 70%. Snow accumulating 1 to 3 inches. Monday Night: Cloudy skies. Low around 25F. Winds ENE at 10 to 20 mph.
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13:27 cait i am trying to fix a broken catalouging pluign
13:27 cait Can't locate object method "fields" via package "DBI::db" at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/ line 2713
13:27 cait stuck with this and not sure how to proceed
13:28 cait it's a copy of
13:29 marcelr you are not passing a marc record ?
13:29 cait it broke with the update from 3.22 to 16.11
13:29 cait but the original one is broken in 16.11 too
13:29 cait and no further fixed in master that I can see - might be broken there too
13:30 marcelr which line it crashes ?
13:30 cait it doesn't tell me
13:30 cait that's the problem
13:30 cait all i have is
13:30 cait Use of uninitialized value $op in string eq at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/cataloguing/va​lue_builder/ line 69.
13:30 cait Use of uninitialized value $op in string eq at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/cataloguing/va​lue_builder/ line 199.
13:30 cait Can't locate object method "fields" via package "DBI::db" at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/ line 2713.
13:30 cait it breaks on searching
13:30 cait starts up fine, but explodes when i do a search
13:31 cait the original plugin has Template process failed: undef error - The method selected is not covered by tests! at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/ line 121. in 16.11 - but I fixed that with the fix from master
13:31 cait[…]0544314a709685845
13:31 marcelr hmm not sure, seems that it is not used that much
13:32 cait it's for linking records, quite useful
13:32 marcelr in my 16.11 line 2713 is a n empty line
13:32 cait i needed the copy because the library does some non-standard thing
13:32 cait s
13:32 cait hmmm
13:32 cait let me check mine
13:32 cait 16.11.15?
13:32 marcelr yeah
13:32 cait it might be some indexnames or so moving the lines
13:32 cait sec
13:33 cait MARCFIELD: foreach my $field ( $record->fields() ) {
13:33 marcelr cant find that ??
13:33 marcelr which sub
13:33 cait odd
13:33 cait TranformMarcToKoha
13:34 cait without the typo
13:34 marcelr no wait, i applied the 260/264 fix on my 16.11
13:34 cait TransformMarcToKoha
13:34 marcelr so i changed those subs
13:35 cait thx for taking a look,need this fixed ratherurgently
13:35 marcelr flush the cache, and check your data
13:35 cait 7 libraries waiting for it in order to continue catalouging, they make use of the 7xx for linking quite extensivley
13:35 cait did several restart_all - will do again
13:36 cait also trying to test with the original plugin now
13:36 cait hm and it works
13:36 cait ok
13:36 cait so need to find the difference...yay
13:36 marcelr thats better
13:36 cait any idea what kind of thing i am looking for?
13:37 marcelr the new style contains a builder and launcher
13:37 cait they copy some additional info into - not only the fields the original plugin does
13:37 marcelr but it is a cosmetic change
13:37 marcelr the old style is still supported too
13:38 cait i didn't write te original so didn't want to change too much back then
13:38 cait i was just glad it almost did what i needed :)
13:38 marcelr you will find it !
13:38 cait really hope so, thx again :)
13:39 cait oooh found a first important difference
13:40 cait the new one is importing some more modules... Koha::SearchEngine
13:40 cait anyway, will let you know if i succeeded .)
13:46 jenkins Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #81: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.05_D8/81/
13:46 jenkins * alex.arnaud: Bug 19443: Wrong HTML in patron creation page (members/
13:46 jenkins * alex.arnaud: Bug 19443: Remove duplicate message when editing existing patron
13:46 jenkins * Bug 20126: (follow-up bug 10455) Restore MARC field length calculation
13:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19443 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Pushed to Stable , Error while attempting to duplicate a patron
13:46 jenkins * Bug 20126: Add simple test for ModBiblioMarc
13:46 jenkins * julian.maurice: Bug 19730: (follow-up bug 17196) Use biblio_metadata.timestamp in
13:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20126 major, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Stable , Saving a biblio does no longer update MARC field lengths
13:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10455 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, remove redundant 'biblioitems.marc' field
13:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19730 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , misc/ should use biblio_metadata.timestamp
13:47 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17196 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move marcxml out of the biblioitems table
13:55 cait @later tell marcelr - fixed my plugin, thx again
13:55 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
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14:15 * LeeJ waves
14:16 LeeJ hi #koha
14:16 LibraryClaire hi LeeJ
14:16 LeeJ hi LibraryClaire :)
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14:27 jenkins Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #82: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.05_D8/82/
14:27 jenkins fridolin.somers: Bug 19847: (17.05.x follow-up) rebase error on C4::Biblio::GetMarcBiblio
14:27 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19847 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , accepts any url from a parameter for proxying
14:30 fridolin piouf
14:35 tcohen back
14:37 * tcohen hates GOTOs
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14:57 gmcharlt_ @quote random
14:57 huginn` gmcharlt_: Quote #163: "<oleonard> One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it." (added by wizzyrea at 08:05 PM, November 10, 2011)
15:04 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18336: (follow-up) Shift TINYTEXT columns <[…]4f75197189132d17c>
15:04 * cait waves at gmcharlt_
15:04 gmcharlt_ hi cait!
15:05 cait :)
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15:10 tcohen hi gmcharlt_
15:14 * cait grumps about Koha not adding up acq prices correctly :(
15:15 eythian nobody ever said computers were good at arithmetic.
15:16 cait hmpf ;)
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15:28 Joubu @later tell khall Can you take a look at bug 12904 comment 113 please?
15:28 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:28 Joubu ashimema: Hi! Can you take a look at bug 12904 comment 113 please?
15:29 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Force browser to load new JavaScript and CSS files after upgrade
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15:54 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #379: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/379/
15:54 jenkins Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 18336: (follow-up) Shift TINYTEXT columns
15:54 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18336 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add support for Unicode supplementary characters
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16:14 jposey Hello, question on MARC records and item/holdings in Koha.
16:16 jposey I have imported MARC records and have added items to imported records, but I cannot figure out how to add item information (952 field) to records and then have them show in the Holdings field of the catalog. If I manually enter 952 fields and then import them into Koha the holdings do not show.
16:16 jposey Certainly there is a way to automate this so I don't have to enter holdings manually for every biblio record.
16:20 reiveune bye
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16:27 jposey No thoughts on adding item information to bib records?
16:27 tcohen jposey reading you
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17:45 LeeJ I'm assuming the answer is yes but is there a function that returns the Koha database name?
17:46 LeeJ hmm..I think I over complicated things..disregard ^_^
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18:08 Joubu C4::Context->config('database')
18:09 LeeJ Joubu: I realized that after I asked it..I'm doing an "if table exists" check but was drawing a blank as to the function call
18:09 LeeJ thanks!
18:10 LeeJ aiming to finish this project up this week so next week I can go into overdrive on community signoffs and docs :D
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18:37 atjano hi ppl
18:38 atjano can someone explain how many fields should by visible? Cas I only see one subfield in tab 2 and one subfield on tab 9?
18:38 atjano thank U
18:39 atjano can someone explain how many fields should by visible in the defaul framework
18:40 LeeJ welcome to Koha's IRC channel atjano! You can customized how many fields/subfields appear in any framework by going to Administration -> MARC Frameworks
18:41 LeeJ if it's a clean installation it's possible something may have gotten messed up but you can always correct what fields you need to see under Administration
18:41 atjano Lee thank U for the answer, but no, I can
18:41 LeeJ what do you mean?
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18:42 atjano the field doesn't appear in the MARC Structure editor
18:43 atjano in my database debug I find that most of register have in the field "tab" set with "-1"
18:43 LeeJ uhh..I think that's unusual
18:44 LeeJ Joubu tcohen any ideas for atjano?
18:45 atjano what should be, IHMO I think that all fields (in the default framework) should be visible.?
18:46 Joubu are you referring to a specific subfield?
18:47 atjano Joubu allmost all subfield are set whit "-1" in column TAB
18:49 atjano I think it's because the sql file that the portuguese comunity is using
18:50 atjano[…]Xcdgi7miAhyMM51dL
18:53 atjano even the type os column TAB is set to tinyint and in the 17.11 schema is type "bit" http://schema.koha-community.o[…]ld_structure.html
18:55 Joubu which file are you refering to?
18:55 Joubu sql file used by the portuguese community?
18:56 atjano this one[…]Xcdgi7miAhyMM51dL
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18:57 Joubu it says:"---- Files originais por José Anjos, 2013
18:57 Joubu ---- adaptados para koha 16.11 por Andre Ramos, Maio 2017
18:57 Joubu you should contact these guys
18:57 atjano even the type of column TAB is set to "tinyint" and in the 17.11 schema the type is "bit" http://schema.koha-community.o[…]ld_structure.html
18:57 Joubu and ask them to adapt and submit it to the Koha community via our bug tracker
18:58 atjano I try but the forum is tooo slow
18:59 atjano I think that it's from the 3.08 or 3.10 version
18:59 Joubu how did you find that file?
18:59 atjano in the forum
19:01 Joubu did you try to contact them directly?
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19:02 atjano I 'm helping then, ex.  the "itemtypes" file that they lack the column `defaultreplacecost` and `processfee`.
19:02 atjano I 'm helping then, ex.  the "itemtypes" file that they used lack the column `defaultreplacecost` and `processfee`.
19:06 Joubu the file says it's for version 16.11
19:06 Joubu so you have to upgrade the database from this version
19:07 Joubu seen this page for the contact: ?
19:07 wahanui I haven't seen 'this', Joubu
19:07 Joubu you can also try to email the general koha mailing list
19:07 Joubu mailing list?
19:07 wahanui it has been said that mailing list is at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
19:31 atjano it's a new installation, but the files are supposed to load the settings for Portugal ...ex. framework used for book, dvd, translations
19:32 atjano the part of "INSERT INTO `marc_subfield_structure` ...VALUES ..."
19:33 atjano they drop tables and create new ones :(
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19:42 Joubu atjano: there are no portuguese installer files in the official Koha community repository
19:43 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19290: DBRev <[…]70465f7f55b95ce02>
19:43 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19290: Browse selected bibliographic records - Staff interface <[…]f001f609ddda8eaa2>
19:43 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18913: Allow symbolic link in /etc/koha/sites <[…]7b3cbc5dcd33ec6a4>
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19:49 atjano @Joubu I have the pt-pt translations, I think that the sql files translate inside the database and not OPAC or staff info/text
19:49 huginn` atjano: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
19:50 Joubu atjano: it's only the templates that are translated, not the sql files
19:50 atjano @huggin RDA?
19:50 huginn` atjano: downloading the Perl source
19:50 Joubu it's a bot, do not use '@'
19:51 atjano sorry, i haven't read the manual for the irc channel talk
19:51 Joubu no worries, there is no manual :)
19:52 * LeeJ ponders if there should be one
19:52 Joubu
19:53 * LeeJ is convinced Joubu is a wizard ;)
19:54 atjano the portuguese community uses multiple sql files, if U want I can share
19:54 Joubu it's the first result for "irc" on the wiki, no need to be a wizard :)
19:54 Joubu atjano: I am not portuguese :)
19:56 Joubu As I said previously: you, the "portuguese community", must submit your changes to our bug tracker to keep them up-to-date from one version to another
19:56 Joubu s/must/should
19:56 atjano the idea isto validate them (structure) for the 17.11 ;)
19:57 atjano the idea is to validate them (structure) for the 17.11 ;)
19:58 Joubu yes, I understand your problem and your need
19:58 atjano again thank for the time...
19:59 Joubu you should contact the 2 guys in charge of the maintainance of this file
19:59 Joubu or ask on the Koha mailing list
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20:01 atjano done that, I m gone try something else....export the default tables and only proceed with the "INSERT INTO" part. That way the structure it's fine
20:04 Joubu but you do not see the fields because they are hidden, right?
20:05 atjano only the default framework
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20:06 atjano and the doesn't show in MARK structure (Admin -> MARC structure)
20:07 Joubu are you using unimarc?
20:07 atjano yes
20:19 Joubu I am afraid that you will have to tune the "tab" values depending on your needs
20:19 Joubu you could try to update them using the mysql CLI
20:19 Joubu things like:
20:20 Joubu update marc_subfield_structure set tab="2" where tagfield like "2%"; -- to update the tab fields 2.. with '2'
20:25 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20249: (bug 18789 follow-up) "Patron has no outstanding fines" now appears alongs... <[…]cc88ab83d2fa8d1df>
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20:29 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #380: UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/380/
20:29 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19290: Browse selected bibliographic records - Staff interface
20:29 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19290: DBRev
20:29 jenkins * pongtawat: Bug 18913: Allow symbolic link in /etc/koha/sites
20:29 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19290 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Browse selected biblios - Staff
20:29 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pongtawat, Pushed to Master , Allow symbolic link in /etc/koha/sites
20:36 atjano Maybe like this "update marc_subfield_structure set tab="2" where tagfield like "2%" where frameworkcode = ""; "
20:37 atjano Maybe like this "update marc_subfield_structure set tab="2" where tagfield like "2%" AND frameworkcode = ""; "
20:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20250: (bug 19529 follow-up) Prevent NoIssuesChargeGuarantees.t to fail randomly <[…]e6d11c329d0587fc6>
20:47 LeeJ anyone have experience with sql DML statements? Particularly changing a primary key? :)
20:48 cait i'd google it heh
20:48 cait you probably have to drop something first
20:48 LeeJ I tried
20:48 cait that always seems to be like these things work
20:48 LeeJ and it didn't do what it was supposed to
21:02 atjano in the marc_subfield_structure what are the values for the column "hidden". I see "-6, -5 -1 and 0" ?
21:03 atjano the meaning of the values?
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21:15 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #381: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/381/
21:15 jenkins charles.farmer: Bug 20249: (bug 18789 follow-up) "Patron has no outstanding fines" now
21:15 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20249 trivial, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Pushed to Master , "Patron has no outstanding fines" now appears alongside fines
21:15 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18789 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Send a Koha::Patron object to the templates
21:21 sen How do I clean records out of the reservoir that were put there by Z39.50 searches? I have a few hundred of them in there now, and all the docs I can find are how to clean ones out from using the staging tool, not Z39.50
21:21 cait take a look at the clean database cronjob
21:22 cait might be named slightly different... it has an option for doing that
21:24 sen Yay! That was easy once I was looking in the right place, all sorted now, thanks cait! :)
21:24 cait :)
21:24 cait you are welcome
22:02 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #382: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/382/
22:02 jenkins Jonathan Druart: Bug 20250: (bug 19529 follow-up) Prevent NoIssuesChargeGuarantees.t to
22:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20250 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , NoIssuesChargeGuarantees.t is still failing randomly
22:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19529 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , NoIssuesChargeGuarantees.t is failing randomly
22:31 sen Is there any way to automatically set 942c (koha item type) in a certain framework? If I'm using the Book framework, then set it to Book by default? I tried setting a default value in the subfield constraints but it seems to have no effect. Would just save a little bit of time if I could.
22:31 cait did you put in the itemtype code?
22:32 cait the exact one?
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22:38 sen I did, then tried creating a new record, which left 942c blank, but now I just tried again and it's filling it in? Not sure what happened, but behaves as expected now. Sorry to bug you :)
22:50 cait cache maybe
22:50 cait sorry, sleepy :)
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23:45 LeeJ have a good night all

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