IRC log for #koha, 2017-12-06

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07:01 magnuse ~~~
07:18 LibraryClaire hi magnuse
07:18 wahanui kamelåså
07:19 magnuse Guten Morgen, BüchereiKlara. Wie geht's?
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08:08 alex_a bonjour
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08:10 gaetan_B hello
08:10 wahanui hola, gaetan_B
08:11 LibraryClaire hi magnuse, gut danke! Sorry was looking at my other screens :D
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08:22 reiveune hello
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08:32 fridolin hi there
08:32 wahanui privet, fridolin
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08:37 magnuse LibraryClaire: me too :-)
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09:28 clrh hi
09:44 magnuse bonjour clrh
09:48 eythian hi
09:48 wahanui niihau, eythian
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10:56 * cait wabes
10:56 cait hm
10:56 * cait waves
10:56 josef_moravec ;)
10:56 cait feels like Monday...
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12:42 oleonard Yo
12:43 tcohen hi oleonard
12:43 wahanui hi oleopard
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12:49 Joubu hola #koha
12:49 tcohen hola Joubu
12:51 LibraryClaire hi oleonard and Joubu and tcohen
12:55 oleonard matts++
12:55 matts oleonard, for koct ?
12:55 oleonard Yes, thanks!
12:55 matts you're welcome :)
12:56 oleonard With so much going wrong with Firefox addons these days, it's nice to get some good news!
12:56 matts It just has been approved by Mozilla, so the update should be available right now
12:56 * oleonard sheds a tear for Tabs Mix Plus
12:57 eythian I think I saw some tab extensions were coming back
12:57 eythian not perfectly yet, but getting there
12:58 tcohen matts++
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13:02 oleonard Does anyone know why a lost item fee might not be charged to the patron's account... sometimes?
13:02 oleonard In our production 17.05.05 installation fees are charged for lost items in some tests but not others.
13:03 oleonard I didn't think there were any patron category-related settings for it
13:04 oleonard WhenLostChargeReplacementFee is set to "charge"
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13:04 tcohen is it a vanilla 17.05?
13:06 oleonard Yes
13:18 Joubu 17.05.?
13:18 wahanui somebody said 17.05 was coming very soon, do we have time for majors and criticals?
13:18 Joubu .05, sorry :)
13:20 Joubu there is WhenLostForgiveFine as well
13:20 Joubu but if it is on the same installation, the behaviour should stay the same
13:24 Joubu @seen marcelr
13:24 huginn Joubu: marcelr was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <marcelr> he just got out
13:27 tcohen alex_a: around?
13:28 alex_a tcohen: yes!
13:28 alex_a (hello)
13:28 tcohen I'm looking at the libraries endpoint right now
13:29 tcohen would you agree it is a good candidate for renaming all the attributes?
13:29 tcohen branchname => name, branchcity => city, and so on?
13:30 tcohen and there are a couple 'unused' params we should definitely remove from the API
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14:54 tcohen dev meeting?
14:54 wahanui i guess dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]pers_IRC_Meetings
14:55 cait now?
14:55 wahanui hey now now, sing this corrosion to me
14:55 Joubu next meeting?
14:55 Joubu next meetings?
14:55 Joubu next meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings
14:56 Joubu next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings
14:56 Joubu next dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings
14:56 Joubu next meeting?
14:56 wahanui well, next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings
14:58 cait pet peeve... don't link 'here'
14:58 cait links shoudl be meaningful words :)
14:59 oleonard Agreed
15:00 Freddy_Enrique Hi everyone
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15:16 Joubu calendar?
15:16 wahanui calendar is right
15:16 Joubu calendar is
15:17 tcohen wahanui: forget that
15:17 wahanui tcohen: I forgot that
15:17 Joubu calendar?
15:17 wahanui calendar is right
15:17 Joubu forget calendar
15:17 wahanui Joubu: I forgot calendar
15:17 Joubu calendar is
15:17 Joubu calendar?
15:17 wahanui i guess calendar is
15:17 Joubu good guess
15:17 tcohen .-P
15:18 Freddy_Enrique I'm getting scared....
15:18 Freddy_Enrique looks like virus
15:20 eythian Joubu: try:
15:20 eythian no wahanui, calendar is
15:20 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian.
15:20 eythian for that sort of thing
15:20 eythian it does a replace
15:20 Joubu eythian: thanks, I will try to remember that :)
15:20 tcohen eythian: you mean trolling wahanui?
15:20 oleonard no wahanui, capybara is the largest rodent
15:21 eythian capybara?
15:21 wahanui capybara is the largest rodent
15:21 eythian tcohen: would I ever do something like that?
15:21 eythian hi oleonard
15:21 wahanui hi dear loon
15:21 * tcohen looks suspiciously at eythian
15:22 Joubu oleonard: ! I saw hundred of them this week-end!
15:22 Joubu they are called carpincho here
15:23 * oleonard is jealous
15:23 eythian wahanui: carpincho is <reply>ask me about the capybara, $who
15:23 wahanui OK, eythian.
15:24 Joubu they look like a mix between a guinea pig and hippopotamuses...
15:25 Joubu the nature is weird sometimes
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15:33 Freddy_Enrique jajaja
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16:58 Joubu tcohen: Does bug 19760 make sense to you?
16:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19760 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Die instead of warn if koha-conf is not accessible
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17:33 Joubu @later tell tcohen Does bug 19760 make sense to you?
17:33 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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17:41 oleonard Can't call method "unblessed" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/serials/ line 99
17:42 oleonard Oh I wonder if this is because of my messed-up borrowers table again.
17:42 * LeeJ waves
17:42 LeeJ hi #koha
17:43 greenjimll Hi!
17:43 Joubu oleonard: I guess so, subscriptionroutinglist has a FK on borrowers, so it should not happen
17:43 LeeJ hi greenjimll
17:44 greenjimll Bug 19760 looks pretty sensible to me - if there's no config things are likely to go badly wrong anyway.
17:44 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19760 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Die instead of warn if koha-conf is not accessible
17:46 Joubu greenjimll: so you are going to sign it off, right? :)
17:46 greenjimll Just firing up the old kohadevbox now.
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18:00 greenjimll OK, I've signed off on 19760. Even documented my test. :-)
18:06 Joubu thx!
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18:17 tcohen Joubu: I would raise an exception instead, of course
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18:28 greenjimll Hi Cait
18:28 cait hi greenjimll
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18:33 em_ hey  guys
18:34 em_ i am trying to open OPAC page and it says Apache2 Ubuntu Default Page error and I'm not able to access it... can anyone help?
18:36 Joubu em_: Try to disable the default site
18:36 em_ it was working fine before... until I try to build zebra files
18:36 Joubu sudo a2dissite default; sudo reload apache2
18:36 Joubu sudo service apache2 reload
18:38 em_ sudo dissite default... I get the error message ERROR: Site default does not exist!
18:39 Joubu sudo a2dissite 000-default
18:39 em_ site 000-deault lready disabled
18:40 em_ *already
18:40 Joubu Tale a look at the apache logs then
18:40 em_ how do I do that?
18:41 Joubu sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log
18:41 Joubu then hit the page
18:41 em_ i went ahead and tried sudo reload apace2... it gave me error: reload: unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/up start:connection refused
18:42 Joubu ubuntu version?
18:43 em_ yes
18:43 Joubu which ubuntu version are you using?
18:43 Joubu did you made an upgrade recently?
18:45 em_ 16.04 LTS
18:45 em_ no i haven't made any upgrades
18:45 em_ but I was trying to do the zebra files
18:46 em_ I was following the steps from[…]nces-of-koha.html this link
18:46 Joubu it's old and certainly wrong
18:46 em_ ohh
18:46 Joubu please follow the official documentation
18:46 em_ didn't know that
18:46 em_ where is the official document?
18:46 em_ the only thing I got is this https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ges#Zebra-related
18:47 em_ and here it only gave me commands but didn't give me how to set up zebra files
18:47 Joubu installation?
18:47 wahanui installation is
18:47 Joubu https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ubuntu_-_packages
18:48 Joubu you just need the rebuild command
18:48 em_ how do i rebuild it?
18:49 em_ is there a way I can get my OPAC page back online?
18:49 Joubu On the link you just pasted:  sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v  instancename
18:50 em_ ok
18:51 em_ it still doesn't bring back my opac
18:51 em_ it now says this site can't be reached
18:52 Joubu sudo service apache2 restart
18:52 Joubu and look at the apache logs
18:52 * LeeJ waves to cait
18:52 em_ what should I be looking in the log...
18:53 Joubu open 2 terminals:
18:53 Joubu on the first one: sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log
18:53 Joubu on the second one: sudo service apache2 restart
18:53 Joubu and get back to the first one
18:53 em_ ok
18:54 em_ now to look at the log i need to use the command sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log right?
18:55 Joubu yes
18:55 em_ ok
18:57 em_ when I enter this sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log command I get a huge chunk of text in the terminal itself...
18:57 em_ is it correct?
18:57 Joubu ye
18:57 Joubu s
18:58 em_ where can I find the 2 terminals in that?
18:58 em_ or what should I do next?
19:01 Joubu I am sorry, I have no idea how I can help more
19:01 Joubu you need to know what is the apache error. This error should be in the apache log file (/var/log/apache2/error.log) when the apache2 service is restart (sudo service apache2 restart)
19:06 pastebot "oleonard" at pasted "Error when trying to preview routing slip" (3 lines) at
19:08 Joubu oleonard: master?
19:08 wahanui master is the development branch of koha
19:08 oleonard Yes
19:09 Joubu how can I try that?
19:10 cait make a subscription
19:10 oleonard Serials -> Find subscription -> "Edit routing list" in the sidebar -> Save -> "Save and preview routing slip"
19:10 cait ah :)
19:11 cait make sure routing is turned on in system preferences :)
19:14 Joubu work for me
19:15 oleonard Thanks for checking Joubu
19:15 Joubu ha no
19:15 Joubu it explodes if I add a recipent
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19:18 Joubu oleonard: outch, that is very wrong. Did you open a bug report yet?
19:18 oleonard No
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19:28 Joubu bug 19766
19:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19766 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Preview routing slip is broken
19:35 Joubu patch attached
19:37 cait Joubu++
19:38 Freddy_Enrique Heh....
19:40 oleonard Works for me Joubu, thanks
19:41 Joubu This routine is very badly written :-/
19:43 cait routing code is pretty old
19:43 cait we have quite a few broken features in serials too
19:43 cait there is a patch from biblibre about mulitple routing lists... that also fixed routing list holds
19:43 cait but it got stuck somewhere :(
19:45 Joubu bug 7957
19:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7957 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Routing lists: manage several routing list for each subscription, and export them as CSV
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19:47 oleonard As far as I can tell isn't used at all. I can't find any link to it.
19:47 cait hm have you checked bugzilla?
19:48 cait hm thought i had seen a bug report coming ot the same conclusion
19:48 cait but not finding it
19:48 Joubu oleonard: you should leave this area ASAP
19:49 oleonard :)
19:49 * oleonard looks for his hard hat
19:49 Joubu koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/mod​ules/serials/  <a class=" button serial" href="[% biblionumber %]&amp;selectview=small">Compact view</a>
19:49 Joubu koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/m​odules/serials/    <a href="/cgi-bin/koha/serials/se​[% biblionumber %]&amp;selectview=full">Complete view</a>
19:49 oleonard Right, it only links to itself!
19:49 Joubu the second one it not relevant
19:50 cait have you tried accessing it?
19:51 Joubu I think there is a trick to access it from the interface, but cannot find it with grep
19:51 oleonard It seems to kind of work. It's like the OPAC version. But I think it duplicates what subscription-detail shows.
19:53 cait i don't have subscriotions in this database
19:53 cait have to create data
19:54 oleonard Yeah that's the worst part about testing subscriptions :(
19:54 cait heh
19:54 cait which parameter does it take?
19:54 oleonard biblionumber
19:54 wahanui somebody said biblionumber was Koha's internal id number, its used by Koha, and shouldnt be used by humans for anything
19:54 cait ah i see
19:54 cait biblionumber
19:54 wahanui i heard biblionumber was Koha's internal id number, its used by Koha, and shouldnt be used by humans for anything
19:54 Joubu I always click "next" several times, like when you install something on windows
19:54 cait i thin i'd file a bug to remove it
19:54 * Joubu likes that
19:56 oleonard Bug 19767
19:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19767 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , is unused and should be removed
19:59 Joubu koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/mod​ules/serials/  <a href="[% biblionumber %]" class="button">Back to biblio</a>
19:59 Joubu it points to the opac page...
20:00 oleonard Time to go. See y'all later.
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20:50 mavhc Hi, I'm looking at advising some schools in UK to switch to Koha as their current system is terrible, but they do like the kid friendly interface, is anyone working on interface improvements I can read about?
20:51 cait hm I think some have creeated a more kid friendly look with the customizations options in Koha
20:51 cait using CSS
20:51 wahanui rumour has it using CSS is a bit better than jquery - will work even if people have javascript off
20:51 cait you can also turn on/off a lot of the features in the OPAC
20:51 kidclamp *cough* caboose *cough* ^
20:51 cait heh
20:58 mavhc thanks, I'll check out the css options
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21:45 LeeJ mavhc: hi! if you're able to catch caboose when he's on he can be a lot more helpful on the topic of kid-friendly OPACs :)
21:45 LeeJ (as kidclamp referenced to)
21:50 cait /me waves at LeeJ
21:51 LeeJ cait: hi!\
21:51 * cait waves
21:52 cait ah better
21:53 LeeJ :D
21:55 LeeJ cait: I don't know where we should begin for the 18.05 did you pick where to start? :P
21:56 cait i didn't really
21:56 cait ... just somewhere heh
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21:56 cait i wanted to do more of course
21:59 cait system prefs maybe?
22:00 LeeJ I like the idea lol
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22:54 LeeJ bye #koha
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